/k/ - Weapons

the tree hammock and the camo mesh is high on the list

>>599579

In desperate need of food you should rely on small game more. Do you want to shoot a hare of birds with a .308 so you can scrap what remains of them from nearby surroundings?

>>599582

A hare OR birds*

>>599575

Should have posted in: >>581292

>>599585

If we are talking about big game, then from what I've learned you should avoid shooting further than 100 meters because of the increased risk of missing vitals.

If it's small game to they say that 25 meters with a 12 gauge shotgun is the absolute maximum if you want a quick kill.

>>599575

Dont use a knife with a leather sheath, anon. Yeah, they look better and such, but when the leather gets wet (it will) then it is holding moisture against the blade. Its fine if your just dicking about for a day or two, but if its a prolonged time its quite a problem. Synthetic is the way to go, sadly.

>>599610

I dunno about integrated, but most modern packs have a pouch in them specifically for hydration bladders. Any reason you're going for external vs internal, incidentally?

>>599628

Idk. do you think internal is better or something?

Never forget: some motor oil.

You can use it to oil your guns, to make sure your tools won't rust, to cool your saw when cutting wood in a dry environment and many other things.

Gonna suggest you guys forgo the folding wood saw and just get a arborist or landscaping pruning saw. Easy to strap to your pack while walking, easy to strap to your belt when collecting wood. Longer saw blade allows you to cut much larger logs/limbs. Silky makes good ones but are a bit expensive (professional equipment) but Corona makes a good lightweight climbing saw that's like 30 or so dollars.

Also for trapping, don't forget rat traps exist. Drill a couple of holes. Tie it to tree trunks to get squirrels, tie it off to to a rock and set it for rabbits/hares.

>>599575

Using one item in different ways is also a virtue. For example

>Tents

>Sleeping Bags

>Tarps

>Camouflage Clothes

>Bags/Packs

This is all one thing.

A large 6x8ft tarp, folded in a specific way, and supported by paracord, can be turned into a duffel bag for storing things.

The same tarp can be suspended between trees to serve as a combination tent/sleeping bag that is comfy, resistant to floods, insects and other parasites.

Also if it is camo, it can serve as a hunting blind or a ghillie suit.

>>599636

You can do the same thing with CLP or really just about any oil. In theory you could use olive oil if you're willing to completely strip and clean everything every 3-12 months.

>>599639

I want a calendar now. Why can't we have naked chicks for our motor oil companies?

>>599675

If I'm innamountains or innadesert I prefer a cowboy hat to maximize sun protection without looking like too much of a fag since I already get like 3x the solar radiation of Fukushima on a daily basis being outdoors. If I'm just going innawoods or somewhere urban, a ballcap is preferred since it provides protection from eye glare and I generally don't need the extra back of the neck protection if I keep sunscreen with me and stay in semi-shaded spots.

>>599670

1 inch webbing bro. Get some rappelling rings and carabiners and you can do some next level shit. Can also nigger rig a decending rig but I would be in dire straights before I risked doing it.

>Rig comfy pull straps for large logs.

>Rig pulling line with mechanical advantage.

>Use to make tree climbing loops.

>>599675

I like me a good boonie hat. Bandannas are indispensable btw. Those tube scarfs are nice but you want the thin ones for summer and thick ones for winter.

>>599680

I don't like aluminum for cookware but that's just me. Titanium is fuck all expensive so I can't blame a guy. Burners are only good if you expect to have the fuel the entire time you're out. Folding wood stoves are a good option though, seen some advertised as rocket stoves but never tried them out.

>>599681

No clue, had one from a surplus store that I used for years but can't find anymore.

>>599666

A good hatchet and saw will do fine for a temporary camp. Unless you want to split large and knotted wood, don't worry too much about bringing a full sized axe.

>>599610

Does the pack you have enough PALS for you to put the bladder on the outside in a pouch?

>>599719

What's your opinion on that one /k/ommando who usually posts in these threads about how civ polymer tents are completely unreliable and that only heavy canvas army tents and tent-ponchos are worth using in bugout situations?

>>599636

>motor oil

For lubing an AR, Armalite recommended automatic transmission fluid as a substitute for CLP in the 70's, and recommended 15W40 for lubricant.

…in fact, any heavy diesel oil would be awesome for lube, since a rifle is like a very slow cycling diesel piston.

>>599720

Full disclosure, I haven't heavily considered bug out situations and only camp a week or two at a time, so take my words with a grain of salt.

First, about army gear: remember that it's made by the lowest builder that can meet certain requirements, not necessarily "the best." And the Army's requirements never list all criteria, most notably there's almost never a weight requirement. I'd say that argument makes sense for the lowest tier of nylon/polyester tents, like what Coleman offers. Those are only good for short trips and nothing serious, and while they may be heavier, canvas tents will far and away beat them in durability. But with more expensive civvie tents, you're getting durability that's a lot closer to canvas (but still clearly inferior, don't get me wrong), but still has the weight savings, ease of setup, waterproofing, and fabric longevity (it might rip easier, but it won't rot the way canvas does) of synthetics. Overall, I'd say canvas is good for tents that are meant for long-term use (multiple months in a single location), but if you plan on taking down and setting up repeatedly, civvie synthetics are better. A good compromise is to get a nice nylon tent like the one I posted, but use it with a canvas groundcloth to maximize the longevity of the floor, which is where you're most likely to see a tear form in your tent. Just make sure the ground cloth is a little smaller than the tent footprint. I've seen a few "hybrid" tents that are mostly nylon with a canvas floor, but none in backpacking format.

>>599721

Source? That sounds like fuddlore.

>Hurr Durr I use motor oil 'cuz it's cheap

>Herp a Derp it's all the same stuff

>>599734

Oil serves two purposes with firearms:

>Prevent oxidation by creating an air/water seal

>Lubricant (preventing friction on a microscopic level)

It's not fuddlore, you can legitimately use just about any oil for this purpose. In theory you could lubricate your firearm with a stick of butter. The issue is that not oils are created equal and some have lower burning temperatures than others (like that butter), some are more slippery, some go rancid faster than others, some will schlick out of your firearm after a couple reloads, etc. In practice if you just wanted to leave it on the shelf and mind the shelf-life of the oil you used, you could oil your gun with whatever the fuck you want. For all intents and purpose, gun-specific oil/lubricant will be better for your gun, and automobile oils will be your next best choice. This is because they're designed for rough metal parts moving around a lot/at high heats or extremely cold temperatures without gunking up. I wouldn't recommend ever using cooking oils since they tend to either burn at low temperatures which will foul up your firearm, solidify if it's not hot enough, or offer poor corrosion resistance, but in theory you could if you cleaned it properly, chose one with a high flash point/low solidifying point, and completely stripped and re-oiled your firearm every so often to prevent fouling/corrosion. The benefit of firearm lubricants is they tend to have additives that are MEANT to gunk up your gun at the microscopic level so it doesn't end up like grease on a moving rail collecting on the edges. If you're looking to lubricate then motor oil is very good. The only place motor oil fails compared to gun oil is that it's usually not meant to prevent oxidation (at the level of gun oils) since it's designed for a tight environment inside the engine where you're not supposed to have much oxygen getting in, in the first place.

>>599747

Fuck forgot video related. Vegetable-based gun lube.

>>599747

Is just oil good, or is it necessary to use grease of some sort on the sliding surfaces? I'm usually a "Ballistol for everything" kind of guy, which from what you've said so far sounds like enough.

>>599734

>Source? That sounds like fuddlore.

https://web.archive.org/web/20041214153427/http://www.armalite.com/library/techNotes/tnote64.htm

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/alternative-gun-cleaning-solvent-and-gun-cleaning-oil/70411

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?3756-Armalite-Tech-note-on-lubrication

15W40 is personal experience on F88 AuSteyr, F89 Minimi, MAG-58, and M2HB-QCB from my days back when I was in uniform years ago. Worked better than CLP on all counts, including carbon removal, especially in dusty conditions.

>>599772

We were told that marine grease was recommended to use during amphib ops.

Not that I ever got to do that myself.

>>599878

You ever used aluminium pans to cook before? I bought a set of pots and pans, then when I took it home and opened it, a slip of paper fell out, warning about not cooking anything acidic in them as it fucks up the aluminium and gets into your digestive system.

>>599881

My Jetboils have aluminum pots. I mostly use them for coffee and boiled water, but they're anodized and supposed to be cook-safe for everything. Not too familiar with the aluminum cookware controversy, but I know the supposed health defects were only in elderly patients, after decades of everyday exposure. I'm not really qualified to say whether they're truly safe or not (my guess would be there's some risk, but the usual consumer hysteria has overblown things), but as long as you've got some kind of coating on your stuff it shouldn't be an issue either way.

>>599882

I've been going about 15 years if we count the time I was an underage v&. It's always been more about enjoying the outdoors than being tactical, so while we're pretty good about not leaving a trace as far as cleaning up the area afterwards, I don't have much experience in remaining hidden while set up.

>>599907

Oh yeah, them or something similar are pretty good if you need something you can just throw into a pocket or daypack. The Platypus I posted earlier is basically a heavy-duty lifestraw, it's just meant to filter several liters at a time, and uses gravity instead of suction. For either one, though, make sure you backwash the filter regularly—running filtered water back through the system will flush gunk out of the filter and make it last much longer.

>>599907

They're good to about 260 gallons of water. Being small and compact enough, I think having two on hand would be more than sufficient for personal survival. Down side being it can't carry the water with you and filter on the go like an inline filter in >>599878 .

>>599925

Its because rich white people keep taking vacations to Africa to dig wells for people that should have the logistical reasoning that clean water is needed for survival.

Same reason the Congo, with the most fertile soil in the world, relies so much on food aid that farmers can't make money.

CAUSE RICH WHITE PEOPLE REFUSE TO LET AFRICA PROGRESS ON ITS OWN! BECAUSE THEY WILL SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON SOME DIRT VILLAGE THAT NEEDS TO RELOCATE! INSTEAD OF HELPING THE POOR IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES!

Also, I second the boiling the filtered water. Filtering is for large shit. Boiling is for living shit.

How long do commercial filters (Lifestraws, Sawyers, etc) last for before you have to replace them? How long can they be stored for? Can you use them after years of storage? Or do you have to use them in a certain time frame?

>>600002

Oh of course, those good commercial filters don't require/need boiling. But for a field built filter system, its better to be safe than sorry.

Waterborne shit is nasty but easily avoidable, as someone with GI issues after a bout with lyme's disease and the resulting bleaching of my gut bacteria from antibiotics. I NEED TO BE STUPID PARANOID ABOUT WATER AND FOOD PREP INNA FIELD! It is very possible and only adds a little bit to the entire process but damned if I get something nasty.

>>600147

When I was in the army we got small white chlorine tablets we used to purify 1 liter of water at a time.

It tasted like chlorine water afterwards but we didn't get the shits and no one died from failed kidneys, so I guess it's working as intended.

>>600161

>It tasted like chlorine water afterwards

That means there was urine in your water, just as a heads up.

>>600147

First pic is literally what they use in the city mains, it's just poured in by the gallons instead of with an eye dropper. Kills anything living, but it doesn't deal with toxins or heavy metals.

>>600174

>chlorine tablets

>hurr durr theres piss in your water

So if I use bleach to kill germs in my water it means theres piss in it? Retard.

>>600174

>not storing piss in jars to throw at threats for increased damage

>>599901

I got an aluminum mess kit and a Jetboil like >>599893 has. Is aluminum safe to cook from? I heard that it has some long term consequences. Also I want to ask >>599893

if he has boiled water using his Jetboil but without the gas. (Such as on top of a small wood stove)

>>602999

I've heard a buildup of aluminum can cause alzheimer's. But it's literally in most antiperspirants so we're already fucked anon.

>>599907

A life straw saved my ass one time. But I prefer the sawyer setup now, it's better in every way, besides perhaps not being all self contained.

One thing I always carry now no one has mentioned is wire, plain iron wire, I wrap probably 10feet around a few 3inch nails and it's useful as fuck. Makes lashing shit together easy, you can use a nail as a lever to twist the wire tight, and it doesn't melt or burn like other cordage so it's useful for hanging pots. I guess you could make a snare too, but I've never tried. Weights just a few oz, it's worth it.

Also I love my "jungle" hammock I got on banggood for $5, just a big net made of slightly smaller Paracord with 2 rings. Holds my 200lb ass up and is tiny.

>>603145

The blue one you can find at Walmart, for $20 something. I use it with the folding plastic bottle it came with or inline with a water bladder. Never used the gravity setup, if I'm staying somewhere that long I just boil water.

>>603169

Oh yeah, that thing. Forgot about the inline feature, that's definitely a plus for quick solo filtering. Gravity filters are king if you're traveling with a group though, you can make a gallon of water in less than ten minutes. Boiling's fine if you're solo but once you have a few other people it can get tedious fast.

>>603145

>>603116

Looks like a bivvy bag but with a full-length zip and zip-in woobie blanket.

Not bad but seems a touch costly if you include shipping.

>>603145

Well thanks for the level headed aluminum myth dispersion.

>>603156

I like the sound of that. I think one of the ruger .22 target pistols might be another alternative

>>603191

It's pricey for sure. It's mostly a curiosity to me. I just want to try it.

>>603201

Wouldn't mind one myself- that camo seems pretty effective in imitating a rock.

>>599575

About a week later someone even found my kayak, well what was left of it. It was folded in half and had been torn open by a bear, but I got my old break action 12ga back.

>>603363

>>603365

Thanks for storytime

>>603363

>>603365

Sheeit, that's intense. This is why you should always go innawoods with at least one other person–if shit happens one guy can bail the other out.

>>603607

The slip-joint pliers allow you to open the jaws super wide. A pair of Knipex Cobras that is only 7.25" long will get around a 1.5" pipe or a slightly under 1.5" bolt. Also, the jaw on them can grab bolts and nuts securely without marring them (much like an adjustable wrench.)

I'd probably bring both, but if I could only pack one it would be the slip-joints because I think they're more versatile.

>>603599

We have given 8 marshal plans to africa because not doing so would have meant that money going to the people who produced the wealth in the first place, white americans and europeans.

>>603614

>given

stolen

staying on topic..

Chinese military shovel WJQ-308…grappling hook, plate, axe, pick, bottle opener, saw, melee weapon, wire gauge, wire cutter, ruler, can opener, claw hammer, shield…..

>>603370

Cool. Currently looking into getting some gear like that.

>>603624

folding shovels in general are great, i have an old dutch army shovel that does the job of a hatchet quite well, combined with a general purpose knife for batoning it makes for a great tool

Anybody here into lightweight/ultra-lightweight backpacking? My base weight is 9.65 lbs. Total 3-4 day loadout is 13.7 lbs, but that doesn't include my gun.

>>616718

The reason I'm wondering, btw, is because the main principles behind lightweight backpacking are super useful in a bugout scenario, particularly a short-term one.

Last November, my girlfriend and I hiked a 30-mile trail here in PA, 10 miles per day (though we could have done 15 or more) with 2 very cold nights where we stayed perfectly warm and well-fed. This year we're looking at a couple 50-ish mile trails that we can do over 3-4 days. It's so empowering to be able to walk out into the woods and stay warm, dry, well-fed, and comfortable, with nothing more than you can carry fairly easily on your back.

>>616718

No, but there is a reason /out/ had the slogan "you gonna carry that weight".

Being lighter is always better, so what did you pack on your trip?

>>616657

How would a general purpose knife that is also adequate enough at stabbing people to be used as a bayonet look like?

>>616721

>>616718

Nice, what do you usually pack. My bug-out bag only probably has about half of the stuff I really need and is about 11 pounds, once I throw in my typical stuff I use for one day hunting trips I usually come out around 30 pounds. Though that is usually means a lot of stuff I wouldn't bring for actual bug-out time.

>>616726

Gear

My stuff only:

REI Half-Dome 2 (86.15 oz)

Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Ultra sleeping pad (21 oz)

Zefabak (cheap-ass) quilt (18.72 oz)

My shitty but lightweight Walmart backpack (11.8 oz)

Travel pillow from Walmart (6.95 oz)

2 quarts of water (17.89 oz with bottles)

Maglite Solitaire (1.05 oz)

cheap steel spoon (0.9 oz)

toothbrush (0.4 oz)

Gear we shared (split the weight between both of us as evenly as possible):

REI Half Dome 2 tent (86.15 oz)

bare-bones medkit with some antibiotic ointment, tiny sewing kit, SAM splint, and sports tape (6.85 oz)

Esbit stove with 6x14g tablets (6.3 oz)

water filter with 3 bags (don't have it here, don't remember the brand) (5.55 oz)

a power bank for our phones (5.45 oz)

a titanium cup for boiling water (4.15 oz)

Mora Craftline knife + sheath (3.85 oz)

an old gardening trowel (3.75 oz)

cheap tiny LED lantern (3.55 oz)

some paracord, a carabiner, and a lightweight bag for use as a bear bag (2.05 oz)

1/3 roll of toilet paper (2 oz)

little bottle of hand sanitizer (2oz)

little bottle of high-DEET bug spray (1.75 oz)

tiny tube of toothpaste (1 oz)

Food coming in a moment.

>>616730

http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Finland/finland_2.html

Does the M1962 seem to be ideal?

>>616734

should work just fine, i might be of more help if you told me what exactly you plan to use it for, just regular bushcrafting or as general purpose knife for a bugout bag?

>>616732

Food (just mine… we eat totally different things, so none of this is shared)

4.081 lbs, 7270 calories (1781 cal/lb)

Not sure of a lot of these brands, but here we go:

bag of almonds and walnuts (5.45 oz, 850 cal)

JIF natural single-serving PB cups x6 (9.9 oz, 1500 cal)

trail mix "Essential Nutrients" from Walmart (5.7 oz, 850 cal)

Great Value Mountain Mix x3 (5.25 oz, 720 cal)

chicken flavor Ramen x2 (6.3 oz, 760 cal)

trail mix "Energy Mix" from Walmart (6.55 oz, 700 cal)

Clif Builder's Protein Mint flavor x2 (5.1 oz, 540 cal)

Minute Rice, 2 servings (3.3 oz, 340 cal)

Clif Builder's Protein Peanut Butter (2.75 oz, 280 cal)

Gatorade energy chews x3 (3.3 oz, 300 cal)

Spam slice, lol (2.6 oz, 210 cal)

Starkist buffalo chicken pouch (3.15 oz, 80 cal)

Starkist tuna in water pouch (2.95 oz, 70 cal)

Starkist chicken salad pouch (3 oz, 70 cal)

Not an ideal diet, and I could get it better and lighter, but I love to eat this bullshit so it kept me happy and kept me moving.

>>616735

I'm mostly interested in a theoretical level, so could you give your opinion on both possibilities?

>>616736

As far as firearms go, she carried my Ruger SP101 (I wanted to have something that would at least have a CHANCE against bears) loaded with Buffalo Bore 180-grain hardcast wadcutters + 1 speed strip of Winchester 125-grain hollowpoints and I carried my CZ Phantom with some hot Buffalo Bore 147-grain hollowpoints + 2 spare 18-round mags. I didn't factor these into the weight, because they aren't strictly necessary where we went, since black bears can easily be scared away and coyotes probably wouldn't attack us. However, were I preparing for a bugout situation instead of backpacking, I'd probably bring a lightweight .22 pistol of some sort and something like a Ruger LCR in .357 mag.

>>616732

meant to put the REI tent only under shared stuff, not my stuff. We only brought 1 tent, lol

>>599582

>>599575

mandatory reading

http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2013/09/living-off-land-delusions-and.html

>>616736

Nice I have used similar stuff in homemade "MREs" seems to work well enough and though I usually substitute ramen for instant potatoes.

>>616738

when we're talking about regular bushcrafting, you are quite unlikely to end up in a fight, so really any knife that you can comfortably use will do, so long as you are willing to drag it along, it's why carry the victorinox with me, it rarely needs scharpening and doesn't to stand up to any real abuse, because even if it were to snap, i can walk down to the shop when i get home and get a new one.

when it comes to a bugout bag i want something that can take all the abuse i can throw at it and that can be easily sharpened and maintained. so i got the bk7, because it can take abuse, doubles as a hatchet for thin enough trees and works as a combat knife in a pinch, even though it's not meant to be one.

if you were to take a bayonet like the one you suggested. you will have something that can take abuse and stabs real well, but by the looks of the handle, it would probably be quite uncomfortable to use it for carving or anything that requires you to hold it tightly for exstended periods of time

>>616743

I did a whole bunch of calculations on different foods regarding calories/lb, and anything with nuts pretty much tops the list. That bag of almonds and walnuts provides about 2495 calories per pound, the peanut butter is 2424 cal/lb, all the other trail mixes I have are over 2000 cal/lb.

If you watch videos of folks reviewing rations (Steve1989, for example) you'll notice that many of the modern "24-hour" rations have a ton of trail mix/nuts/granola/oats.

Ramen is about 1930 cal/lb, so it's decent density-wise. Before I did the lightweight thing and I was just going on regular camping trips, I would practically live off of fresh potatoes cooked in the fire. So naturally I considered instant mashed potatoes, but the problem I encountered was that it's a pain to clean: you'd have to use a heavy splash of water AND carry around some sort of scouring pad to wash out the cook pot (unless you get the type you can cook in the bag, which is an option I haven't thought of until now.)

>>616748

> regarding calories/lb

>>616750

I don't speak/read Russian. What's he making, pemmican? (basically just well-cooked meat preserved in fat)

I considered trying it. I ended up deciding on stuff that I could just go grab at the store and could standardize (caloric content and weight doesn't vary.)

>>616748

Ya usually since I only do one day trips I just leave the excess potato in the pot and clean when I get back home.

Also didn't realize there was bag cooked potatoes either, that sounds much better

>>616754

> What's he making, pemmican?

Uzbek variant of pemmican. Same idea. Only meat is not dried but fried. And then fully covered with melted fat for preservation. I think with commercial available meat today frying is much more safe and it tastes so much better (only don't overheat fat to burning and blackening it would become bitter).

>>616759

I THINK they exist. They must, right? I haven't looked.

>>616762

I built a dehydrator at home with the intent of making pemmican, but never used it for that. I like the idea of frying better… sounds delicious. Maybe I will give it a shot.

>>616759

Actually, it seems you could just put some instant mashed potatoes into one of those heavy-duty freezer bags and it'll take boiling water no problem.

>>616769

I wonder if that is healthy for you, usually getting plastics hot like that leeches some sort of garbage into the food.

>>616771

Actually, I was just reading a bit about it and it turns out the polyethylene the bag is made of will start putting that garbage into your food at around 195 degrees F. Am I willing to risk it? Probably. Also, mostly anything that requires boiling water WILL cook/rehydrate at 195 or less, just a little more slowly. Maybe that's the way to go.

>>616774

I mean I would risk it in true SHTF scenario, if it's die this week or have gut cancer 30 years from now the answer is clear. Or I guess just go with ramen.

>>616778

Agreed. I also forgot to mention that for the Minute rice that I bring, I bring it in a small aluminum foil pan (weighs 0.4 oz) from a restaurant supply store. Granted, the rice doesn't stick like mashed potatoes do, but I would consider something like that if you were hell-bent on the potatoes. That way you don't dirty your cooking vessel, and the foil pan can be folded up to take up less space. Then you just toss it or wash it when you get home (you could wash it and bend it back into shape, but these things cost me $0.25 each so I'm not concerned.)

>>616787

Interesting didn't think of that, I have an austrian and yugoslav mess kits that I use for my camping. They work well enough, but that sounds like a really lightweight supplement.

>>616790

The entirety of our cooking system is a TOAKS 750ml titanium pot (which the internet says weighs 3.6 oz, but that must be without the handle or bag because I weigh it at 4.15 oz) plus one of these little aluminum things (pic related, can be found on eBay) for each of us (.4 oz each), plus a spoon for each of us (0.9 oz each). The containers are nice because we can fit other stuff inside them for packing purposes. We're happy with it. Occasionally we'll bring a styrofoam, plastic, or cardboard cup and single-serving instant coffee as well, but we usually just forego caffeine entirely (though I'm considering bringing a Mio or some flavored electrolyte drink tablets for next time.)

It's nice to have multiple cooking/drinking/serving vessels, but you just can't do that if you want a total pack weight of under 15 lbs so you can hike 10+ miles per day.

I guess in a SHTF situation having multiple cooking vessels would make more sense, particularly if you're relying on hunting/trapping for food and there's a lot more preparation needing to be done.

Upcoming post is filled with things that I've learned since I've started backpacking.

>>616792

Do you usually drink caffeine? I found that if you have a low tolerance caffeine can really help out when things are rough.

>>616792

The first time I attempted backpacking, I brought a 55L internal frame pack that itself weight about 6 lbs. I then proceeded to pack another 30.6 lbs into it and attempt to carry it around for a couple days. It did not go well. Though the frame pack kept the weight well-distributed, it was like a gained 36.6 lbs. My pace was about 2 mph, and each mile got harder and harder. Plus, the process of loading and unloading all that gear before I got to even set up the tent and start my meal was just tedious and ruined my moral. In other words: you'll be much happier if you just pack light, even if it means missing out on some comfort items.

One of the biggest improvements I've made was switching from big, heavy, waterproof hiking boots to barefoot-style sneakers. It requires 4-6x more energy to move weight on your feet as opposed to on your back. With this in mind, rather than wearing my 4 lb boots, I opted to wear the same thing I always wear: 1.5 lb Puma motorsport shoes (sized up to accommodate some thick wool socks). My feet were getting wet in the "waterproof" boots anyway, so I just figured I'd roll with it. The Pumas dry out faster, and the wool socks keep my feet warm even when wet. Many people use trail running shoes for this purpose, but I just used what I had.

Switching to this style of shoe will hurt your feet in the beginning, so you have to work up to it slowly. It will, however, reduce your chance of injury to your knees and upper legs, and you'll walk in a more natural way… plus you'll pay more attention to your footing, which is always helpful.

Several of my biggest weight savings:

- rather than bringing a ton of water (weighs about 8 lbs per gallon), bring a small amount of water (like 16 oz) plus an empty bigger water bottle (32 oz) and a water filter. Fill up the 16 oz bottle every chance you get, but only fill up the 32 oz bottle when you're near the spot you'll be spending the night. Exact amounts will vary based on your needs and the climate.

- sleeping bags waste weight. The fluffy insulation that you lay on top of gets crushed and doesn't insulate you as well, so you may as well cut it in half and use it as a blanket. This is what they sell camping quilts for: it's basically half a sleeping bag, but it doesn't need a zipper and it can pack way more insulation in and still way less. For insulation from the ground, closed-cell foam is pretty much the best insulation you can get for its weight and price, although it's not super comfortable. Insulated air pads are much more comfortable and can tolerate very low temperatures. I went from a 4 lb sleeping bag to a 2.5 lb quilt+air pad that keeps me warmer, and I haven't looked back.

- cut the handle off your toothbrush, bring 2 tent stakes instead of 4, find the tiniest bottles of toothpaste/bug spray/sunblock/soap/hand sanitizer you can find, put in fresh batteries before you go out rather than bringing a spare, have your phone totally charged and battery-saving options enabled so you can bring a smaller power bank or forego it altogether. Weight everything, and be stingy.

>>616795

I only really have a cup or two a day on average. Not enough that 3 days without it causes me to have withdrawals or anything.

We used to keep caffeine pills in our medical kit, but we found that we didn't need them. Now I bring energy gels that can help give me a quick boost to get me through the last leg of a hike, and I find they work just as well. Occasionally we'll bring tea or instant coffee packets, but again, we're finding more and more that we don't really need them.

>>616800

>cup or two a day on average

>no withdraws

Lucky you. I have a low caffeine tolerance so a little amps me up a ton but if I use it daily I will have about a two day hangover if I stop. Because of that I stopped drinking coffee and keep specifically for when days I really need it.

Insulated air pads is not a bad idea. I have had a lot of disappointing experiences with sleeping bags, I will try that out.

>>616804

It's a more expensive sleep system than your run-of-the-mill sleeping bag cold-ish-weather sleeping bag, but then again it weighs less, packs smaller, and is more comfortable (unless you use a sleeping pad in conjunction with the sleeping bag, which just adds more weight and cost.)

That's a shame about the caffeine for you. I guess I'm just no really sensitive to it. I say a cup or two a day on average because some days I'll have none at all, some days I'll have 3-4, it really depends on how my workday goes (I have a very physical job.) Maybe that helps keep me from withdrawing - the fact that I don't have it EVERY day.

>>616808

>run-of-the-mill sleeping bag cold-ish-weather sleeping bag

Jesus, my grammar and spelling is all fucking off today. I'm not dumb, I swear.

The biggest recommendation I have, and here's looking at you guys who think you have your perfect bugout bag set up: go out and test it. I basically went to a campground where I could park my car at the site, and I took every single piece of gear I could. I spent a weekend there. I left all the gear in the car and only took stuff out as I needed it. I took note of what I actually used, then put it in a pack the next day and went for a hike. If it was too heavy, I repeated the process. After 3-4 camping trips, I found a system that allowed me to actually live comfortably out in the woods AND be lightweight enough to be highly-mobile. Then I started ACTUALLY doing it, hiking 10+ miles per day and camping in the actual wilderness each night, and I found even more ways to optimize my load.

>>616730

We have literally the same knoife in the army. It's a gift from the heavens. Buy one, keep it forever.

>>618017

Is /b/ trying to relive the old raid days?

>>603270

A lot of pickups have space under the bed enough for a second fuel tank.

I've also thought about the truckbed camper set up. I feel like a regular bed cover (roof height) would be better for shtf as its a lot lighter and still keeps you out of the wind and rain. Granted it doesn't have the luxuries of a kitchenette and a toilet.

>>599925

Does the charcoal need to be crushed?

>>625754

Charcoal is naturally porous, is it not? I don't think crushing it would be necessary.

>>625754

>>625759

Yes, it would have big gaps between pieces otherwise. Crushing also greatly increases surface area and allows for better filters.

Guys, what type of ammo do you stock up, FMJ?

Maybe something like that:

https://www.rei.com/product/870075/snow-peak-personal-cooker-3-cookset

(or in titanium: https://www.rei.com/product/668927/snow-peak-titanium-multi-compact-cookset)

This look fucking good: https://www.rei.com/product/830774/gsi-outdoors-pinnacle-dualist-cookset

But god, Teflon-coated aluminum? For fucking real? Every one is banning teflon here for how carcinogenous it is.

Maybe am I taking the wrong approach, and should I look for a more "family" usage, rather that for just my own personal use.

Or maybe buy the two.

>>635977

>>635975

All right, I already have a camel back if I need to carry more water, but I'll buy the stainless steel nalgene + takonta cup that fit, for around 50 euros.

Don't think that's the best, but whatever.

>>635977

>100$

Anon, just buy some surplus https://www.varusteleka.com/en/group/canteens/879

>>599639

Pretty face, appropriate body fat distribution, natural tits, overall package only detracted by her umbilical hernia. would still fuck and brag about it afterwards regardless protip for streloks: run of the mill umbilical hernias are a trivial outpatient surgical repair

>>637586

>gay shit found on /k/ must have been posted ironically

<found the newfag

Seriously, this place is overrun by faggots. Yes, traps and trapfuckers are faggots too.

>>637807

burn in hell fag enabler

>>637807

>/k/ is gay bros

>>637820

>fag enabler

Far from it. I wasn't the one requesting the degenerate trap shit. Any workable recommendations to defaggot the board? The furries need to go too.

>>637833

>There is a really good reason why tripfags get the gas unironically.

Tripcodes and names were disabled years ago after some porn posting faggot autistically shrieked and shitflooded the board after a user script was posted that could completely obliterate all of his posts and threads from view.

But yeah, gas them too.

>>637836

Far as I'm concerned faggots are tripfags. Don't matter if there is actual tripfagging involved. Besides that I remember when that faggot got wordfiltered by the BO, god damn was that a hilarious day of spam.

>>637843

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>>637833

kek i remember this thread