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There's no discharge in the war!

File: b2f77c098050225⋯.jpeg (404.97 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, C5Y6-IBUoAAi2xR.jpg:large.jpeg)

bba57c No.536078

It just occurred to me, that there are only very few types of cocking handles that can actually be ambidextrous.

Basically, you could have a "pumpgun" style charging, a "lever action" type of charging, a G3/FAL type of charging, a G36 type of charging or an AR type of charging.

The "pumpgun" style of charging would connect a handle below the barrel to the bolt. By pulling the "pump" back, you would pull the bolt back and run the action. The handle would abslutely have to be non-reciprocating, since anything else would make holding the rifle impossible.

The Lever action connects the bolt to a lever near the trigger. The same hand that pulls the trigger must perform the charging action. Again the handle would need to be non reciprocating, or it would rip the shooters fingers off. I have no real experience with lever action guns, so I can't make any comment on pros and cons for this one.

With G3/FAL type f charging I mean a charging handle that is forward of the magazine, and has a handle on the 6 and 9 o'clock position. This has the advantage of being out of the way of the shooter. Such a handle can be reciprocating or not, since the shooter never gets anywhere near it when shooting.

The G36 style is one of my personal favorites. The handle is on top of the bolt, directly mounted onto it. It can be produced reciprocating or not, but because the handle automatically flips back to the inside (or doesn't protrude at all, like in the early version of the AR-15), it doesn't get in the way of the shooter.

This however requires a carrying handle, to protect the handle from accidental charging, and keep things out of the way of the charging handle path.

The AR style is similar to the G36 style, but the handle is mounted behind the main sights block. It must be non reciprocating, since it would otherwise punch the shooter's face every time the gun is fired. It is also hard to cycle the gun while pointing the gun at a target.

Am I missing some method here? Keep in mind I only mean AMBIDEXTROUS methods of charging the gun. Yes, a lefty can switch hands and use the gun the same way a proper human being can, but to keep it simple let's focus on true ambidextrous designs here.

Which charging handle is your favorite? What pros and cons do you see with each design?

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2a6144 No.536087

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The Famas has ambidexterity at the cost of a huge carry handle and reciprocating handle.

These days I think having the handle clear of the action with the ability to switch sides is fine with video related being a cool concept for ejection.


7ee783 No.536088

>>536087

>video related being a cool concept for ejection.

Until you need to clear a malfunction and can't because you have zero chamber access


2a6144 No.536092

File: e71735a52a4237c⋯.jpg (213.31 KB, 1400x1050, 4:3, Famas.jpg)

>>536088

Bullpups do have that inherent issue but it's just an engineering issue to be solved. Remember there was a time when it was accepted that MGs either needed water or were extremely unreliable.

I would like to see a very simple poly dust cover that pops up for complete access.


7ee783 No.536100

>>536092

>Bullpups do have that inherent issue

Not really, the SA80 doesn't, the FAMAS doesn't, the AUG doesn't. The only ones I can name off the top of my head are the RFB/RDB, P90, F2000 and the Desertmeme MemeDR


bba57c No.536106

>>536087

Not being able to inspect the chamber visually or by touch is a massive no for me. I personally prefer the FN2000's ejection system for bullpubs, but this is not a bullpub thread, so back to charging handles.


93d157 No.536107

File: fb4bd600ce44683⋯.jpg (134.16 KB, 960x540, 16:9, EM-2 2.jpg)

>>536078

You miss the most important one:

EM-2!

The charging handle is part of the gas piston, and it's out of the way of the shooter. Especially today, when everybody would put a separate grip the gun anyway. To make it ambi you just need to put an other one on the opposite side. Simple and efficient.


93d157 No.536108

File: 7f9d31b8f38a8c0⋯.jpg (130.53 KB, 800x450, 16:9, EM2.jpg)

File: 4d17d692b4ac2e7⋯.jpg (158.38 KB, 920x518, 460:259, EM-2 1.jpg)

>>536106

>this is not a bullpub thread

Speak of the devil…


bba57c No.536110

>>536107

>>536108

That works similar as the G3 handle. In front of the magazine and to the 9 or 3 o'clock.

>>536087

>that mag release

It's almost as bad as the SA80


759c82 No.536112

Some machine guns use the pistol grip as a cocking handle.


2512ce No.536113

>>536110

>That prototype

>It's almost as bad as a gun that got fucked in every way possible prior to release!

Comparing a rifle to the SA80A1 is pointless, the fascinating thing about the first version of the SA80 isn't how bad it was, it was that the rifle didn't detonate into your cheek every time you pulled the trigger.

Besides, as the introduction of the bullpup SA80 into the British army (and arguably every non-ambidex rifle using military) clearly shows, lefties are deviant mutants who are just whinging and can learn to handle a rifle like a heterosexual very quickly.

>>536112

>pistol grip cocking handles

does that mean the pistol jumps forwards and backwards with every round? Or am I being retarded?


002397 No.536119

>>536113

>does that mean the pistol jumps forwards and backwards with every round?

Correct. Such machine guns aren't actually full auto at all. They're really just elaborate bumpfires, with the motion of the pistol grip violently slamming your finger into the trigger for the next shot.


bba57c No.536123

>>536119

So you are saying that there is a gun that WANTS me to keep shooting it so badly, that it literally pushes it's trigger against my fingers?

Lewd.


2512ce No.536162

File: be842961ff4049d⋯.gif (1.85 MB, 320x180, 16:9, I'll be in my bunk.gif)

>>536119

>the motion of the pistol grip violently slamming your finger into the trigger for the next shot


a37381 No.536171

File: f64c712e834cb70⋯.jpg (12.58 KB, 533x136, 533:136, StonersVision.jpg)

The AR-10, the one that never won a contract, was ambidextrous. Near as I can tell it's a standard reciprocating AK-style handle but centered under the carry handle, see attached.

The slingshot charging ARs use now bugs me. Not terribly, since a good lrbho means you never have to touch it except when your gun is misfiring. I don't mind building a gun for my handedness (which is easy since I'm right-handed) but I don't like having to brace the gun, or even just to put it down, to cycle the action. An AK, I just reach up and yank the handle, no moving my cheek weld.


755ab2 No.536174

>>536119

>>536123

>>536162

<Oh anon, yes!

<My trigger, fuck, ohhhh fuuuuck, oh god anon, keep pulling it!

<Don't. You. Dare. StoooooaaaaaAAAAAHHHHH~

And then all of a sudden your finger feels wet, sticky, and smells like whatever gun lubricant you use.


1efb7b No.536182

>>536113

>does that mean the pistol jumps forwards and backwards with every round?

No-reciprocating.


c328be No.536185

>>536078

Ambidextrous capability is really not important. The amount of left handed people is a tiny minority, and design changes beyond the occasional reversed special order design aren't cost effective nor necessary.

>>536174

Disgusting.


3ccbbc No.536199

File: 23e60119a482bb5⋯.jpg (45.73 KB, 480x339, 160:113, 2w3qfeo_large.jpg)

>>536171

Other than maybe moving your head (if you are a nose to charging handle guy) you can do the same with the modern AR charging handle, one handed too just depending on whether of not your upper is heavy as shit. The old way was replaced due to getting too hot and you still had a stick jutting out the back where the new CH is located. there's also no longer a giant hole on top of the upper just the small one in the back along with an area now for better optics mounting options


cb0777 No.536207

>>536171

You can just grab it and rack it on one side as if it were a normal left side charging handle. There's literally no reason you need to slingshot it.


b37c82 No.536221

File: ac7a88d593fdb8a⋯.png (389.12 KB, 869x509, 869:509, side charging uppers.png)

The Matrix Arms non-reciprocating side charging upper (middle of pic related) is pretty nice, I have a few of them. The only downside it is really needs some sort of folding lever because it sticks out like a sore thumb on the right side of an AR15. Eventually I'll make one myself.

Unfortunately they got hit with a patent claim by the fags that make the upper on the top of pic related. Incidentally those fags themselves are being sued by Magpul, I believe.


1b3fad No.536355

>>536171

>never won a contract

>Guatemala, Burma, Italy, Cuba, Sudan, Portugal

>>536221

i kinda like the AK style.


a37381 No.536364

>>536207

The release latch is on the wrong side. I'm right handed, remember? I'm supposed to reach across the stock, my face, and around the scope to 'rack the slide' ?

>>536221

again, wrong side. Side charging is the way to go, but get a reciprocating carrier and you can ditch the external forward assist.

Small detail: don't mix BCA's side-charge carrier with most any other side-charge upper. BCA puts their handle "back a ways" meaning you need a deeper cut in the upper. BCA makes them that way, everybody else assumes your handle is as far forward as it could be placed. And they make their carriers to match, which makes them all compatible with each other.


3c4f83 No.536366

>>536174

Pervert.


b37c82 No.536393

>>536355

You mean the bottom one? That's a fairly typical reciprocating upper.

>>536364

>Small detail: don't mix BCA's side-charge carrier with most any other side-charge upper. BCA puts their handle "back a ways" meaning you need a deeper cut in the upper. BCA makes them that way, everybody else assumes your handle is as far forward as it could be placed. And they make their carriers to match, which makes them all compatible with each other.

Good to know, thanks. I've been considering putting together a reciprocating side charger as well.


0b2224 No.536401

What do you burgers think of the folding charging handle on some FAL rifles?

Is it strong enough you could force a reluctant bolt back?

How easy is it to grasp with gloves?



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