768322 No.510904
What body armor can I get that stops rifle rounds? Full body. How much would it cost? Is there "budget" armor that will stop rifle rounds but rouarqisn't price-jew?
e357b9 No.510906
tie sandbags onto your chest & back, cost is $10
768322 No.510909
>>510906
Lol dumbass, be serious
ab28ae No.510910
>>510904
why the h*ck are you looking for an armor that would stop rifle rounds?
if you're looking to protect yourself from most nigger threats (handguns and knives) a level II kevlar would do it's job, and won't make you look like a tactitard with his ""covert"" plate carrier that actually sticks out like a sore thumb.
f0e5b1 No.510914
>>510910
>body armor stop knifes.
And life jacket save lives.
d5f728 No.510915
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
How much rifle we talking?
For level IV and not dying from spalling
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/cpe-diamond-armour-plate-nij-iv-stand-alone/29952
and put it in
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/verseidag-tacticum-plate-carrier/27766
For 5.56 (except 55 grain out of a 20+ inch barrel and dedicated AP rounds), 7.62x39 and some 7.62x51, embed related seems to work. Just get a non-shit plate carrier to catch extra spalling
ab28ae No.510918
768322 No.510923
>>510915
.308
>>510910
Preparing for the collapse, son
4ae498 No.510924
768322 No.510925
>>510910
So Kevlar won't stop .308?
768322 No.510926
Also need a ballistics helmet
0d68ee No.510929
>>510910
>That chart
Those are the very bottom tier of low recoil loads on those shotgun numbers. Got a source for that testing?
c17cde No.510931
>>510924
ITS A VPN, THIS FAGGOT IS MAKING QUESTION THREADS AND THE MOD TEAM HERE ALLOW IT. IMAGINE BEING SO RETARDED YOU DON'T EVEN DO A JOB YOU VOLUNTEERED FOR
d5f728 No.510945
>>510925
Are they going to be using AP loads (actual AP, not green tip esqe stuff) or 55 grain bullets from 20+ inch ARs (55 grain is common, but most civilian ARs are 16 inches and the 20 inch ones generally run heavier bullets)? If they're not level III stops M2 ball (steel jacket but not specifically penetrating) 30-06 out of a 24 inch barrel (M1 Garand) which is more than most 308 out there.
9ddd94 No.510982
If you want covert go with this
http://www.first-spear.com/product.php?productid=17660
If not, just get a Banshee Plate Carrier, very tacticool
For plates, just buy American and refer to pic
Reminder that you can always use the covert carrier and slip a chest rig over your clothes.
08c0dc No.511001
>>510945
fuck if I know, I guess I'll encounter assholes trying to snipe me with .308's since that's the most common round. I truly don't care about niggers, they're retarded, soulless animals that can't hit the bright side of a barn with their shit-tier glock gun.
44b881 No.511004
>>510910
>unironically using "heck" past the age of 8 like the furfags and leftists do
>censoring it
>>>/furaffinity/
>>510931
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MODS BAN EVERYTHING ON A SLOW AS DIRT BOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD COMPLEX TOPICS ALL NEED TO BE THROWN INTO ONE GENERAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL
>>>/reddit/
And stay there.
d5f728 No.511005
>>511001
>308
>most common round
Where the hell do you live?
ab28ae No.511009
>>510931
I'm not using a VPN tardo, stop assuming every rareflag is a proxy, you're on par with krautchan.
>>510923
Full body armor in SHTF? seriously? you're gonna walk around with the fucking juggernaut suit?
you're literally begging for bandits to gang up on your ass, kill you and steal your shit or some hick to shoot you from 600 meters away and do the same
>>510925
Why the hell would it? kevlar is meant to be light, slim, comfy and covert
the only plate that stops 308 is level IV, and do you know how heavy and cumbersome they are?
Let alone you looking for FULL body armor that can stop 308?
>IF YOUR PLAN DEPENDS ON TAKING 308 SHOTS THEN YOU SHOULD GET ANOTHER PLAN
In other words
>>>/airsoft/
>>>/mallninja/
>>>/underage/
>>>/COD/
>>511004
mom says i can't say h*ck because it shits up the board quality
0d68ee No.511012
>>511009
>Tunisia
Get back out there and make olive oil.
So why were you thrown off Arfcom?.
ab28ae No.511013
>>511012
>So why were you thrown off Arfcom?.
Never went there
came here from 4/k/ because the post quality went to shit after the elections.
8942e9 No.511025
>>511001
> trying to snipe me with .308's since that's the most common round
>bright side of a barn with their shit-tier glock gun
You can go around a farmer with a hunting rifle, and unless he's an excellent marksman there's going to be missed shots. What you need to worry about isn't Tyrone, it's Tyrone and 5 of his friends all chasing after you. Yeah he can't shoot for shit on his own but when the distances are short the hit probability increases.
The point anons ITT are trying to make is that if SHTF, full plate and kevlar is a lot to carry around in addition to your normal gear. Soldiers on patrol for a day in between resting behind the wire complain about that kind of load. The chance of encountering pistol-caliber threats is much higher than rifle threats. IIRC the optimal gear load for one person to move comfortably, sprint, run and hike for most of the day is something like 50 pounds.
99943d No.511036
>>511025
The main weakness of "Juggernaut Armor" is the catastrophic loss in mobility. Wich, in the era of mobile warfare, is a death sentence.
Still dressing as a two-legged tank makes perfect sense if you are stuck anyway, for whatever reason: stuck in the driving seat makes sense to me, so does holding your own home. It's definitely on my SHTF gear list.
I don't plan on trekking with it.
8e2386 No.511057
>>511025
The best defense in open/wooded country is to not be seen. I cannot stress that enough.
afb98c No.511085
>>511057
Indeed, but tell that to the average tacticool "muh Memecam" asshat.
99943d No.511094
>>511057
Not everyone live in manitoba you moose.
627492 No.511109
>>511094
>>511085
>>511057
>>511036
>>511025
Did the bosnian article not teach you anything?
Moving in SHTF is absolutely retarded, why wouldn't you stay in your house and fortify your spot? Where do you even plan on going?
The solution would be to get your family and friends (hopefully well armed and supplied friends) and stay innahome unless you NEED to move somewhere else.
anyway, if you really need to get moving, do it at NIGHT. the average joe hick doesn't have gen 3 NVGs.
and for (you) OP, if you really think walking around in a juggernaut suit will yield any results other than a waste of money and getting assraped by highwaymen then you should stop LARPing
8e2386 No.511114
>>511094
Never been to that part of mapleland, I hear its full of hohols and stereotypical indians.
>>511109
Sometimes that isn't an option and those who willing get trapped in a city are probably gonna get raped. Fucking off to the countryside while the city ravages itself sometimes is the better option but what do I know considering only four people live within a hundred miles of me, two of which live with me and the other lives way down the road.
8942e9 No.511131
>>511109
Kosovo was entirely cut off, there's nowhere else they could have gone.
>fortify your spot
With what? Unless you're building stone walls around your castle, there's not much you can do to fortify that 50 starving people won't break down in order to gibs themselves your stored goods.
627492 No.511135
>>511131
>With what? Unless you're building stone walls around your castle
You go syria style, scavenge everything that you can make a barricade out of,(doors,beds,desks,bricks,fence wires etc etc, all this shit exit all around your neighborhood) even make sandbags, make some holes in the walls to shoot from
>there's not much you can do to fortify that 50 starving people won't break down in order to gibs themselves your stored goods.
you and your assumingly 3+ armed friends could easily fend them off, nobody would ever risk his life trying to get in a well barricaded spot with more than 4 well armed people.
and 50? really? you expect 50 starved fucks to become coherent, organized and rush your house like some kind of red army?
>>511114
>Sometimes that isn't an option and those who willing get trapped in a city are probably gonna get raped. Fucking off to the countryside while the city ravages itself sometimes is the better option but what do I know considering only four people live within a hundred miles of me, two of which live with me and the other lives way down the road.
……and you end up getting assraped by national guard or army.
fighting untrained, underequipped bandits > fighting national guard
Also, you cannot get 'trapped' in a city
8e2386 No.511141
>>511135
> national guard
They'd be busy blockading the city(s)/dealing with the problem at hand. Why bother the rural folk who'll go on with life given they don't have the city problems and can take care of themselves. As of right now where I'm at I got that whole bandit problem and the Army/Cheka are a fucking joke if they decide to do anything.
>Also, you cannot get 'trapped' in a city
Kebab got trapped in Sarajevo and other muzzie held shitholes during the great 90's happening Yugoslav style.
8942e9 No.511151
>>511135
>you and your assumingly 3+ armed friends could easily fend them off, nobody would ever risk his life trying to get in a well barricaded spot with more than 4 well armed people.
Yeah, and what happens when the water runs out? What happens when the food goes low? How many rounds are you gonna expend day to day keeping people away?
4034a1 No.511157
>>511141
You cannot convince me that camping innawoods is a good idea, the only thing that'll come out of it: some patrol will eventually find you and shoot because they think you're part of a guerrilla, or bandits would think you're some kind of ranger (thanks to your epic gear) and they'll do the same.
>kebab got trapped
Many civilians managed to get away
>>511151
You stock up before shit hits the fan, if it's a minor SHTF like katrina then it's absolutely no problem, if it's a medium SHTF like a civil war or something similar then you should also find no problem if you stocked up enough, if it's a nuke-and-loss-of-civilization type of shit then you best get to know your entire city family by family because they only way you'll get out of this is using a tightly knit community to help each other (OR a simpler but harder solution, become self sufficient)
Wearing multicam and going innawoods will only make shit worse for you.
>How many rounds are you gonna expend day to day keeping people away?
You think hobos are going to red-army-zerg-rush you? it's human nature to fuck off away from well armed people, seriously if you think you're going to be using more than one magazine in a monthly average then i'll advise you to stop playing zombie games.
>TLDR get friends, lots of friends with long guns, and a fuckhueg ton of supplies.
08c0dc No.511309
>>511009
>Level 4 body armor
>walking tank
>not a good flight plan
lmao'd
08c0dc No.511310
>>511109
speaking of that, what are some good and not insanely expensive NV goggles?
08c0dc No.511316
>>511157
this Tunisian sandnigger knows
7aeff5 No.511322
Armor has a place. It increases the chance that you can do what you need to do for longer in a fight. It's still better not to get shot or shot at. A soft II or III is going to be more practical in most cases. It's lighter, it'll deal with most common pistol caliber threats, and you can "grey man" with it more easily. You'll need plates and a plate carrier to stop some rifle threats. This also has its place either in static home defense, in a vehicle, or in a situation where you don't care if people know you're wearing it. It's heavier but it deals with all sorts of threats better, especially if it blends Kevlar and plates, and most of the newer ones are MOLLE compatable which means you can attach other gear to it so you don't have to mess with other LBE. You can either go surplus or buy new. Surplus is cheaper but you have the risk of it being stored or handled poorly and not working. If you buy new, something nice like an Interceptor will cost but you can also get poorfag shit like a plate carrier and cheap steel that is better than nothing. Ceramic plates are lighter but can be damaged by careless handling; steel plates are cheaper and less sensitive to rough handling but are heavier and spall more.
I have an Osprey, which is too bulky and heavy, three Moratex with Kevlar and ceramic plates, and an old plate carrier with ceramics. None are suitable for concealed wear. I keep the L IV Moratex and a rifle next to the bed for home defense. Takes only a second to slip on and worth it if it can keep Tyrone from getting a lucky shot.
961237 No.511330
>>510909
fine, the cost is 2$ but you must find your own sand
970326 No.511334
>>510925
No even close.
>>511109
Why dont you ask streloks who have been there or in such a situation? Dozens of us post here.
Despite being better than hollywood or no information…. That article was written by a noguns idiot, and lacked a lot of practical info.
>>511309
Your 50lbs of level 4 armor wont protect your legs, or really anything against a molotov.
08c0dc No.511338
>>511334
and anti-fa shit's molotov won't protect them from a 40 round AK magazine
d21bbd No.511339
>>511013
>he never came over during the exodus
>he came over recently
>he didn't lurk
Fuck off, newfag.
2a3a7b No.511394
>>510904
These guys are alright.
http://www.ar500armor.com/plate-carriers.html
Personal experience and anecdotal evidence makes a strong case for lightweight plate carriers. You will probably want mobility over coverage. Just make sure major blood-carrying organs don't get popped and everything else you can survive with an IFAK and the ability to get to a higher echelon of care.
I think if you want to be a walking tank, then you're going to be disappointed. It's possible to cover yourself with enough ceramic plates and kevlar to be mostly bulletproof, but your operational capabilities are going to be pretty disappointing.
1c9231 No.511598
>>510982
How can i tell the difference between a plate and armor carrier when I'm trying to buy one?
ad0903 No.511772
>>511322
If you go and use your money on a II or III level vest make sure it is one that combines this with stab protection.
When you are in an environment where your main concern are pistol rounds, it is also an environment where you should be concerned about knife attacks.
>>511598
A plate carrier is just a piece of fabric that holds your metal/ceramic plates which protect you from bullets, armor carriers not only hold your metal/ceramic plates but are also enforced with Kevlar to protect the places that aren't covered by plates from shrapnel, stray bullets and pistol calibers. Good armor carriers also feature a shock absorber that lessen the blunt trauma from catching a bullet in the vest.
1c9231 No.511805
>>511772
>I always wondered why Armor never had some kind of shock absorber
>Think i'm clever for trying to find ways to make full body armor with all the works
>Turns out they had absorbers all along and all my armor browsing has shown my ideas to be shit.
>MFW
Still, I'm having trouble finding Armor carriers, all I seem to find are Plate carriers. Are AC's not for civilian use?
237aa1 No.518314
Does anyone know what ballistic rating this kinda helmet has? I'm having trouble finding answers.
25fd45 No.518315
>>518314
If its anything like that 6a+ suit they've got I have a feeling it'll stop most standard AP.
25fd45 No.518316
>>518315
Scratch that, just got told its somewhere between 2 and 3.
237aa1 No.518317
>>518316
so you're thinking 3a?
456380 No.518322
>>518314
>wears helmet
>somehow gets shot in the head by .50 bmg
>no penetration
>still dies from concussion
25fd45 No.518329
>>518317
I don't know how Russian armor is graded in comparison to western stuff but I'd say that is potentially close given that stuff is generally used for CQC/breaching purposes.
1f3b4f No.518333
>got my plates today
>decide to run in them
>fuck that shit, slayed within 5 minutes
>decide to walk out the rest of the time
>also do push ups and rifle extension squats
That shit kills you man. My legs and pecs are fucking destroyed.
>>511805
>Are AC's not for civilian use?
They are.
https://store.glennsarmysurplus.com/acu-digital--iotv-tactical-vest-cover-no-insert-andor-accessories-p909.aspx
The difference between plate carriers and armor carriers is an AC has extra shit like shoulder plates, side plates, and a crotch plate. A little harder to find, but you should be able to find them. Though if you're going to do it, use ceramnics. If you use steel, that shit is going to be unbearably heavy unless you're fucking Hercules.
945701 No.518472
>>518333
I see, but how big exactly is a medium?
1f3b4f No.518505
945701 No.518512
>>518505
10X12 Is the plate, right? I was wondering just if it would fit someone who is 6'2
1f3b4f No.518515
>>518512
>I was wondering just if it would fit someone who is 6'2
Yes, it would protect all your vitals. As for the carrier itself, I don't know. A medium is big enough to cover most of my torso, but that's because I'm a small guy, 4U, so you just have to look that shit up and see if what works for you.
feb2ef No.518518
I'm thinking about buying a cool cross-draw vest. Rate it.
I already live in the country so maybe it's better to go full tacti-fudd.
Then again, this chicom camo stuff is giving me strange ideas…
639e52 No.518522
>>518518
That takes away a lot of room for primary weapon magazines. Use a belt or drop down leg holster for your sidearm.
Your primary weapons platform is your bread and butter. Sidearm is only used to fight your way to your primary, or to buy you time to get your primary cleared from a jam.
909219 No.518530
>>518518
Handguns are a meme
b74dcc No.518550
>>518518
Security guard/Zeta tier. Do not buy.
cbef1d No.518567
>>518333
Trips confirm you're a fucking wimp. Git gud.
1f3b4f No.518578
>>518567
Didn't work out for 8 months due to an injury, so yeah I'm a fag. If I did this a year ago it wouldn't have been too much of a problem. Trying to get back into it.
e5109b No.518634
If a guy doubled up with level VI plating and a level 3 vest underneath, and the plate is penetrated by, say, a 55 gr 5.56 out of a 20" barrel, will the Kevlar beneath stop the shrapnel, assuming the 5.56 penetrates?
9fd274 No.518637
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daily reminder that m993 will punch through your level 4 armor
e62de2 No.518702
>>518522
who are the hottest women on earth and why are they israeli?
d7efb6 No.518713
>>510924
we rare flags now
a59777 No.518722
>>518702
I know, right? Who would have thought that being such a genetic mutt that you make a stray dog look purebred actually turns out well?
ad1c42 No.518728
>>518578
We're all gonna make it brah. Don't trip smh.
945701 No.518738
>Take a look at the Condor DFPC Defender Plate Carrier
>All the reviews seem to like it, minus manlets complaining about how it doesn't really fit
>Remember a guy I watch on youtube bashed Condor saying it falls apart ez
Can anyone confirm that? Is Condor a shit?
e62de2 No.518746
>>518722
no need to be jealous that there's no one nearly as attractive in burgerland
4d025f No.518751
>>510910
>if you're looking to protect yourself from most nigger threats
where do you think you are?
>>518522
are these jewesses?
a59777 No.518760
>>518746
>US flag
Come on Mordecai, the boss has to pay for that proxy.
8e6739 No.518761
ITT: Israeli propaganda working as intended
1f3b4f No.518762
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>>518728
We're all gonna make it brah. Still fucking sore, fuck me
>>518738
Apparently it's holding up for this guy. Though he's using the MOPC I think. He says in the video which one it is.
The reasons why Condor gets shit on is because it's made in China and airshitters use it because it's cheap enough to buy with good boy points.
945701 No.518781
>>518762
I'm seeing quite a bit of "not enough velcro" and "Shoulder pain"
Anyone in thread got any suggestions? I'm not a minimalist guy but all i'm finding are just that, Small, not a lot of real estate.
1f3b4f No.518782
>>518781
What do you mean by "small"? As in the carrier itself to fitting your body, or the plate itself? The largest plate AR500 has is 11x14, so measure that on your chest. Start from your clavicles and see where 14 inches goes. If it's reaching your waistline you're good, if it goes below that you need a smaller plate.
945701 No.518784
>>518782
I'm about 14/13. When I said small I meant in terms of design. Should of said minimalistic from the outset. I'm thinking the more space to put things the better, but I also just assumed Armor carriers would be less minimalistic by design in order to hold soft and sideplates.
1f3b4f No.518786
>>518784
Bad advice actually, a 10x12 should be fine for you.
As for plate carriers, minimalist is in vogue, that's why you're seeing so much of them. I don't recommend an armor carrier unless you're really expecting to be hit by IEDs, shrapnel, small arms fire, etc. The one I have is the Condor MOPC, it comes with a cummerbund which you can put sideplates and more MOLLE real estate to add your guccigear. If you don't want Condor, AR500 makes their own carrier with all the gucci sideplate shit. Spartan armor has some stuff too.
As for IOTVs, did a quick search, couldn't find anything except for the occasional Armslist deal that is old as fuck, LEO/MIL only vendors, or vendors that are out of stock. If you really want to go down that route, which is a very expensive route might I add, you're going to have to do some hardcore hunting.
9dd99f No.518797
>>518530
This tbh; why anyone would carry a handgun when they could have an under-barrel shotgun is beyond me.
8d6fe7 No.518808
>>518797
Are you the spiritual brother of Vietnamanon?
a76e06 No.519179
I don't know much about body armour. My brother gave me an ar500 IIIA hybrid plate holder vest deal. Anyone know if that's any good or am I risking my life on shitty gear?
Also what's a good helmet, or place to find them?
b379ea No.519188
What do you guys think of hybrid kevlar and ceramic armour for amour piercing rounds? There were a few guys trying to make their own like >>>/pol/10669658 on the Khoisan king thread.
f99994 No.519190
Can someone re/k/ommend me some armor I could buy in Canada? I was looking at this: http://www.canarmor.ca/products/RCMP-style-NIJ-IV-standalone-stab-and-bullet-proof-body-armor.html
>>518808
Is this spergook posting from his proxy?
>>518811
rare flag
25fd45 No.519191
2cef6e No.519192
>>518786
1) you can still get shot in the throat, upper chest, shoulders, or abdomen and still get your shit fucked up to death
2) Why isn't there a body armor that covers all these areas, like a body armor suit?
3) Plus my face is still totally exposed, and you can die from getting shot in the legs by bleeding to death very quickly, not mention being immobizlied and turned into a sitting duck
4) almost seems like body armor isn't even worth the trouble.
e86b58 No.519194
>>511109
>>511135
>>511157
I think the main problem with your "bug-in" argument is that the people who might want what you have are not a known quantity. It could be hobos with sticks and knives, it could be gang members with pistols and ARs, or it could be local authorities with access to shit like APCs and explosives that could fuck your shelter right up. We don't know how things would play out in a collapse in the US, thanks to our diverse population, vibrant criminal class, and militarized police. Assuming its a mild tier happening like Katrina, I"ll break down what I think will happen.
My guess is that if you live in a major US (or Canadian) city, gangs and other criminal organizations will be the biggest short term threat to your security, closely followed by over-zealous civil authorities, and then distantly followed by starving normalfags/hobos/non-important elements. The normalfags will fuck off when fired upon, as might gang members, but hardcore criminal organizations and civil authorities will not, and they will use tools that are currently not available to the average civilian to make you comply or simply kill you.
In the rural area, the threat profile is slightly different. Your main problems will be civil authorities followed by bandits who may or may not be associated with criminal organizations. It that situation, civil authorities will most likely be too overwhelmed to do anything (read about the rural gulf coast during Katrina vs New Orleans) and will likely keep a hands off policy. Bandits and other petty criminals might play role until they are dispatched. There weren't many gangs roaming around bumfuck MS looting shit after Katrina like there was in NOLA. Suburbs, depending on how far they are from the city, may have to deal with a mixture of rural and urban problems.
In my opinion, if you live in a city and can leave to a rural area, you are better off doing just that. You will have less advanced threats to deal with and more opportunities to become somewhat self-sufficient. Its also important to remember that SHTF isn't a switch that gets flipped. Its a gradual process that might take weeks to play out. Hurricanes can be prepped for and having a BOL to fallback to a few days before it hits is a good idea. Civil wars and other shit are dicier, but it still isn't an instant process. Shit like nuclear warfare is unlikely, but there will be signs of tensions escalating days before the fire falls, so you should already be gone. The running theme in all this is awareness. Be aware of whats going on so you can plan to get out.
As a more broad point pertaining to the rest of the thread, body armor is largely irrelevant when compared to other things. Your best friends if you plan to bugout will be mobility and blending in. Don't be the guy that wears multicam or M81 BDUs innacity during SHTF. People will think you're .mil or police, and police and .mil will not appreciate paramilitary looking guys walking around in full kit. Second, get friends. Lots of them. In order to fend off gangs and hostile civil authorities, you'll need at least 10 men armed with rifles. 20-50 would be better, but that may not be feasible.
So if you have a militia that is powerful enough to project force, you can wear overt armor with level IV plates. If you don't have such a group to operate with, go low profile at all costs. If you're bugging in a fortified position with supplies, then overt armor is okay as well. But if you plan on bugging out of the city, don't wear anything tacticool.
64de58 No.519197
>>518786
I really don't recommend using Condor gear. I had one of their plate carriers for a while and with minimal use (read; having plates inside, occasionally going for a job) the top velcro had a tear all through the midsection. If I continued using it for mounting equipment, removing patches, etc. it would have completely torn off the top half of the front MOLLE. This only took something like 4-5 months.
Don't give FagTacOperatorShacc(tm) companies money for peddling garbage. Investing in a quality plate carrier is a very worthwhile decision. Not everything Condor makes is shit and if you don't have cash, china carrier is better than no carrier, but stuff from Crye or Ronin Tactical is worth coughing up the extra quid.
b74dcc No.519204
>>519194
>Civil wars and other shit are dicier, but it still isn't an instant process.
Those're even more dangerous. At least with hurricanes you have lots of info feed. But with sprouts of civil unrest that may turn into a civil war, you never know if everything is going to settle up peacefully, or if you're actually a boiling frog.
b74dcc No.519205
>>519204
Government media censorship, rumors, and even groups trying to disseminate disinformation to create more tension. Contrast that with just turning of your Baofeng to listen the NOAA broadcast.
1f3b4f No.519244
>>519192
What if you get shot with a .50 BMG rifle? Just makes any type of body armor useless?
Now, unless you're absolutely retarded, you're not going to be chilling exposed to getting shot at. If you're in a firefight, you're going to take cover obviously. That and you're going to have medical supplies like an IFAK, or at least a tourniquet so that solves the legs problem.
If you think anyone is buying a carrier to be a one man tank army, you're just being dumb.
e8143e No.519245
>>519205
Mexico whats going on in your neighborhood last I heard entire villages were being discretley wiped off the map, how bad is it?
Sorry for being off topic
042910 No.519247
>>519194
Good post. One of the main problems I see with bugging out is the location you're going to. I personally have plans to bug in or out depending on the scale and situation, as well as rural friends to go to, but your average city person likely doesn't. If you plan to bug out, you have to have a known destination, especially in a large scale incident or disaster. Cletus and his cousins won't take kindly to a pack of armed city folk trying to set up camp in his back 40. National parks within range of any major city would be swarming with hipsters and suburbanites trying to play rambo and act out what they saw on tv. If you do manage to make it out to a rural area, you have few material posessions, no housing, and, most importantly, no contacts in the area. At least bugging in, you know your environment, you know the people near you, and you can keep more supplies at hand.
However, bugging out becomes viable if you have a friend with property, or your own property, in a properly rural area, with a stock of supplies and equipment, and having practiced getting there. It's even better if you have met your neighbors and have spent time in the area.
In short, don't bug out if you have no place to go.
2cef6e No.519277
>>519244
>50 ae
uhhh, yeah, it pretty much does. 50 will penetrate any body armor.
>just being dumb
so why do they carry a heavy ass plate that covers 60% of the torso? "Just in case?"
0ce823 No.519278
>>519277
>confusing .50 AE for a BMG
no.
e86b58 No.519296
>>519247
>In short, don't bug out if you have no place to go.
Absolutely. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't in this situation. Its easier to survive in an environment you're used to than try your hand at long duration camping innawoods. To be honest though, if you don't have a least a small group of people to bug in with, and you live in nigsville, you will get killed eventually. The stories that I've heard coming out of NOLA during Katrina were crazy. We just got done with Harvey here, and during the flood, it was common to hear prolonged periods of gunfire in the nigger and spic infested areas. Its best to own a small (10+ acres) of land out in a rural area, just to avoid that situation.
>National parks within range of any major city would be swarming with hipsters and suburbanites trying to play rambo and act out what they saw on tv.
I'd imagine they would be eliminated rapidly by the local population or marauding criminal organizations, especially if it was something like a civil war. There will be no patience for bullshit out there.
8c85c0 No.519310
>>519296
I'm 042910 by the way.
>I'd imagine they would be eliminated rapidly by the local population or marauding criminal organizations, especially if it was something like a civil war
Quite true. But while they're still there, they would pose if not a large threat, a major nuisance. Imagine the indignity of being killed from a lucky shot by Jamal or a manchild's calladuty gun. No way to start off a WROL scenario.
0ce823 No.519312
>>519296
>that video
What the actual fuck
e1e1ad No.519315
>>519312
The EU/Nato denying Russia black sea/economic access wasn't going to be pretty. (((They))) put incompetent puppets in charge of the coup and expected anything but a failed state. Retards run the State department. When that went to shit we set our eyes on Turkey.
1f3b4f No.519316
>>519277
Why are you even in this thread?
25fd45 No.519317
>>519312
There is a better explanation in the webm thread
b74dcc No.519352
>>519245
Oh nothing relevant, just an earthquake on Mexico City (hipsters and fags got BTFO), some sicarios with fake Army uniforms got their brains splattered by real soldiers on the south, and the usual clashes among rival cartels on rural and urban areas.
So nothing new fam.
01cf1a No.519378
1f3b4f No.519616
>>519378
Why would you go into a thread for something that you think is obsolete? It's not even circlejerking.
It's like me going to the scifi weapon threads and post everyone's a retard and should stop living in a fantasy land. Why would I do that when I can just not go into the thread?
2cef6e No.519632
>>519616
fuck yourself, fucking faggot.
1f3b4f No.519634
>>519632
Did I strike a nerve?
b5c7a0 No.519719
>>518314
Here you go m8.
Should have all the info you want. Bonus maska1 pic too.
6f8ee6 No.520200
How could i implement better gray man/not eye-catching armor to muh legs? i have a section of my wardrobe i keep some beefier pieces of clothing i could use as primitive armor (mostly against blunt and cutting weapons , not gonna stop a bullet unless it's some LARPers flintlock) right now the best i got is a sparco rib protector , a thick ass jacket (tried hitting it with a machete and cutting it with a box cutter and did nothing) an ABS hockey facemask *a leaf friend gave me* that i reinforced with metal (not grayman i know , id keep it in my bag and put it on when needed) and some basic ass cargo pants with sone patches of leather on the knees , i also ordered some tacticool tier gloves from ebay with reinforced knucles , but for now I've got some ok gardeners gloves , it's not a 3a plate with a ballistic mask but it'll have to do , eh?
d4308c No.520233
>>510910
>recommending Level-II, not Level-IIIA to ensure best possible protection while still being concealable.
>not having both concealable and overt armors for mission specific uses.
>being thus much of a cuck and using shitty infographics, rather than actually referencing the NIJ .06 standards via PDF
>>510915
>except 55 grain out of a 20+ inch barrel
It has to be a quality 55gr load that moves in excess of 3100fps out of a 20in barrel with consecutive strikes to the same area of plate. Even successive strikes from quality 55gr moving at 2900fps will penetrate eventually as the plate weakens for successive strikes. That it stops 5.56 at all is a nice bonus, as NIJ .06 doesn't included 5.56 in it's rating or testing. AP of any rifle caliber is a giving on Level-III.
>7.62x39 and some 7.62x51
7.62x54R and 7.62x63 Ball as well.
>Just get a non-shit plate carrier to catch extra spalling
The lining (Rhino or Line-X) are sufficient enough for a handful of strikes.
If you're dumb enough to still be standing after being hit in the plate to allow your spall lining to fail or allow for an aggressor follow on shots…you where going to die anyway from stupidity.
>>510918
>Let me link to a video with an armor panel that has an anti-stab layer incorporated into it's design as proof that "Kevlar" stops knives.
>>510925
Not in the NIJ levels ratings.
>>511009
>the only plate that stops 308 is level IV, and do you know how heavy and cumbersome they are?
What is the NIJ .06 Level-III rating? What are ESAPI?
>>511109
>Did the bosnian article not teach you anything?
Treating the Bosnian article as the sole gospel of SHTF
>Moving in SHTF is absolutely retarded, why wouldn't you stay in your house and fortify your spot? Where do you even plan on going?
Why would take a static defensive position where you can be assaulted or burned out with no egress?
>The solution would be to get your family and friends (hopefully well armed and supplied friends) and stay innahome unless you NEED to move somewhere else.
Unless you live in rural area, staying in an suburban or urban area will get you killed.
>anyway, if you really need to get moving, do it at NIGHT. the average joe hick doesn't have gen 3 NVGs.
The average "joe hick" may not have NODs in Africa, but MOST avid "joe hick" hog and coyote hunters do have at a minimum inexpensive Gen.1+ in the US. Many also having FLIR.
>>511135
>and you end up getting assraped by national guard or army.
The Guard or AD would concentrate efforts to city centers, not rural or farm land.
>Also, you cannot get 'trapped' in a city
Holy fuck, you're are retarded.
>>511157
>You cannot convince me that camping innawoods is a good idea, the only thing that'll come out of it: some patrol will eventually find you and shoot because they think you're part of a guerrilla, or bandits would think you're some kind of ranger (thanks to your epic gear) and they'll do the same.
Because the Guard or AD will be flat footing patrols through dense, uninhabited forests with no tactical or strategic value…
>>511316
The sandnigger doesn't know shit.
>>519192
You're either trolling or a fucking moron. Body armor is a force multiplier for use in mission specific environments like MOUT, CQC, sentry duty, static positions, ect… to provide protection to vital organs. If you don't want to dish our the cash for armor…don't.
9f62ed No.520276
>>510904
>What body armor can I get that stops rifle rounds?
Can you carry around a 30mm thick reinforced concrete chestplate?
117158 No.520278
>>520233
>7.62x54R and 7.62x63 Ball as well.
I didn't include 7.62x54R because it's not at all a common cartridge since nugget food dried up. As for 30-06 (Seriously, who actually calls it 7.62x63?) the M1 owning demographic shouldn't be hostile unless OP is someone I don't want to give gun advice to (I'm think nothing other than M1 and bolt-actions been made in 30-06 on any notable scale for the past half century+).
a07835 No.520285
>>520278
Every fudd in this hemisphere owns a .30-06, and unlike the tacticool faggots who never train with their $3000 AR the fudd actually stands a chance at successfully playing deer hunter with you as the deer. Wanting protection from .30-06 is smarter than you think m8, hunger makes good men do evil shit.
7cac05 No.520288
>>518317
Russian classification is just different because the optimization is different too. Mainly because Russian "light" armor is meant to stop multiple 7,62×25 Tokarev rounds which is fairly common over there, while shit like .44 is virtually inexistant and they have grades against API too.
Also they consider that the plate isn't good if there is even light deformation (like German/UK grades for heavy plate).
level 1 is classic pistol (9mm FMJ).
level 2 is piercing pistols (7.62x25, 5.45×18).
level 2a is 12 gauge slugs
level 3 is classic rifle (5.45x39 7N6, 7.62x39 57-N-231)
level 4 is AP light rifle cartridge (5.45×39mm 7N22)
level 5 is heavy rifle (7.62x39 7N23, 7.62x54R 7N1)
Level 5a is API intermediate rifle cartridge (7.62x39 7BZ2)
Level 6 is sniper rifle (7.62x54R 7N13)
Level 6a is API sniper rifle (7.62x54R 7BZ3)
Those helmets are (russian) level 3 for the helmet, 2a for the visor.
d4308c No.520318
>>>>520278
>I didn't include 7.62x54R because it's not at all a common cartridge since nugget food dried up.
You can readily purchase commercial loads of 7.62x54R for $.60 to $50 per round. The disappearance of cheap, surplus nugget food on the market was brought on by panic buyers looking to snap up a cheap rifles and ammo to keep in their closet…those rifles and that ammo didn't disappear, it's all still in the hands of folks. Nuggets and nugget food are common enough you stand a chance of encountering one in the wild.
>I'm think nothing other than M1 and bolt-actions been made in 30-06 on any notable scale for the past half century+
There are a number of semi-auto and other non-bolt rifles in common ownership and or production that fire .30-06 produced in the past 30 years to include; Noreen Arms BN36, Ohio Ordinance's HCAR and M1918A3, Remington's 7600/7615, 7400, 760, 750, 742, 740 and Model Four, Browning's BAR and BLR, Benelli's R1, the Valmet .30-06 Sporter, and the VEPR .30-06
I also have no idea why you discount .30-06 bolt rifles as threats. You're just as likely, if not more likely to encounter someone with something like 770 or Ruger American chamber in .30-06 as you are with someone with an AR or AK pattern rifle chambered in their stand calibers.
ab6948 No.520343
>>519247
This is why finding a suitable rural bug out location should be a high priority for anyone trying to plan for when SHTF. Get close to that weird uncle who lives in the middle of nowhere, start hunting or fishing on public land away from the city and make friends with the other hunters in the parking lot/field/boat dock, ask the farmer at your hipster farmee's marker if they do tours and cozy up to them, etc. There's no excuse for not having at least one bug out option in the sticks and unless you live in the megasprawl like Houston, NYC, LA, Chicago, etc you should be able to make it out of the city before its too late as long as you pay attention to the warning signs.
736043 No.520418
>>520343
What about those burgers who live in already sparely populated areas? They should stay at home and defend their lands or they should go further innawoods, away from any road or highway?
736043 No.520420
042910 No.520430
>>520418
They should stay at home. If it's a large scale incident, they should cut some trees over nearby main roads and have someone keeping watch at all times.
25fd45 No.520469
>>520418
Do as I do, organize all the other locals running amok innawoods. You'd be amazed what people can do when you tell them what needs to be done.
052917 No.520513
>>520343
Look. I'm one of those farmer's who sell shit at farmer's markets to stupid fucks all spring, summer and fall. If I saw some schmuck come onto my property during the niggerapocalypse or a civil war I'm not going to invite you into my house and feed you bone broth and biscuits.
I'd at minimum point my gun at you and tell you to fuck off.
1f3b4f No.521526
>>520513
What if I ask nicely?
465d9a No.521727
>>518702
Jews cherrypick and use this kind of photos for propaganda to get sympathy from retarded burgers such as you.
330810 No.521735
>>510904
steel plate armor. you can get a front and rear plate setup for like $250
bddbee No.521764
>>520430
I'm a poorfag living in trailer park. Bugging in is not a tantalizing option for obvious reasons. I'm going innamountains probably.
11e902 No.521769
>>521526
Then you get a "please" before the "fuck off".
233848 No.522195
>>521939
Behind the camera
d7efb6 No.522202
>>521939
Took me 5 minutes.
1f3b4f No.522205
>>521769
Well it's better than getting shot.
e86b58 No.522403
>>520513
>not recruiting him into an armed militia to expand your political and economic power in the vacuum caused by the loss of established order
You'd make a shit warlord, always missing opportunities to expand.
755ca0 No.522546
>>522403
Are those IS militants in Philippines?
f9382a No.522571
91f43e No.522573
>>522403
Once again shows the shitskins can't into tactics.
cf1211 No.522626
>>522619
This is the most retarded bus entry I've ever seen.
Even Slavic gravity hammer is more tactically sound.
233848 No.522637
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>>522546
>>522571
Those are actually communists.
b1e926 No.527982
f0c02c No.528012
>>522626
I think thats a chinese tour bus lol. It reads Kangtai tourist organization. Seached it and go this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_hostage_crisis
Seems like a disgruntled police officer managed a ten hour standoff lol.
95e2bf No.528023
>>522202
Took me a couple of seconds. Step it up senpai.
9e82fc No.528059
>>511013
>since the elections
4chan was shit for longer then i remember, and this board is catching up to it quick.
95e2bf No.528601
>>528059
All imageboards have been going down in quality really badly, unfortunately the elections just made everything much much worse.
fee5ec No.529434
>>522573
>Once again shows the shitskins can't into tactics.
Nein. Fucktards here just use their officership to get free gibs.
We can into "combat", it is just that our military leadership is godawfully retarded. They treat the enlisted here as orderlies and outright kill anyone that dares cross their paths into bribery money and gibs. **That is what happens when a military has too many non-essential personnel (read: paper pushers) and is heavy politicized.
Add to that our retarded "cory constitution" that made it so that we can't have more funding than our educational gubmint department. No wonder there is no shortage of "guerillas" here.
>>522619
>>522626
>>528012
That one is funny.
Flip spec-ops already offered to sort the problem out themselves, but the head of the ones in charge of the situation (mayor of the area; former cop) said that "they have it under control".
No wonder a lot of sane flips do not want to be in the uniformed services since the ones in charge of the DND AFP and PNP are shit. The concept of standardization and force readiness is dead to them.
f53000 No.529474
>>529434
Why not make Duterte direct commander of the spec-ops?
788cd7 No.529653
>>510904
>doesn't know that ceramic plates/hardened steel stop rifle rounds
>doesn't know that kevlar can't stop rifle rounds
OP you retarded faggot, if you bothered to do basic research you wouldn't need to ask this. This question does not deserve it's own thread.
0c8fa4 No.530232
>>529474
he is and its called Davao Death Squads
469295 No.530399
>>510906
It would be heavy and miserable but might work.
If you could by body shaped bags and just pour the sand in that would be better than running around with heavy oddly shaped bags swinging around you and rubbing your neck skin off.
The REAL question: How much sand do you need to stop a rifle round?
95e2bf No.530408
>>529653
No the question doesn't, but the topic of body armor does
b1e926 No.530416
>>511009
lmao at this post again, it was a good post
36f566 No.530716
>>520200
There are kevlar reinforced jeans for motorcyclists.
c411d5 No.530722
>>518702
>who are the hottest women
Those in ovens.
b1e926 No.531192
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>>510982
>level 3 doesn't stop 5.55
yes it does
also stops this dude's custom loads @ 3400 fps
won't stop 300 win mag though
b1e926 No.531193
>>531192
btw, kikes at AR500 are offering level 3 and 3+ plates at 23-30% off, I bought my set
also got this plate carrier
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071VLKRVD/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
did i get kiked?
b47b1c No.531660
Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMWPE) has a density about 8 times less than steel. It's significantly cheaper, too. Someone ought to test this stuff out better because I've seen some fantastic things with it in terms of armor.
b47b1c No.531661
>>531660
Oh yeah, also never fucking buy it from anywhere that sells it as armor. Buy it from Grainger or something.
95e2bf No.532291
>>531193
AR500 should be fine. The carrier though, I'm pretty sure that's the exact same carrier as the Condor one.
471f57 No.532483
>>532291
Is Condor really as shitty as many claim? I mean, I've read one P&S article on how Conduhr is shit, yet in one of the InRange recent videos with the P&S guys and a very lifelike Dugan hologram he used a Cuntdor carrier with an AR500 plate. I've got to confess that I only saw the first minute of the video
95e2bf No.532582
>>532483
They get shit for being cheapo airshit stuff from china for airshit kiddies, but it's not really that bad. If you're on a budget they should work well enough for you.
471f57 No.532588
>>532582
>Pablo what the fuck r u doin pendejo?
>Is dat a Cumdor carrier you fuck?
>Stop taking pics you lazy fuck
>tfw MexiMarines have LBT shit and I'm stuck with Condor
95e2bf No.532590
>>532588
Buy whatever you want man. But if you're worried about getting roasted you should buy thicker skin instead.
471f57 No.532593
>>532590
I was born with thick skin.
785743 No.532608
>>532483
Finger fuck every inch of condor shit and avoid buying online if possible. Also avoid the fancy shit, stick with simpler construction as much as possible as always, what breaks easier? 15 different parts sewn together turned into a mag pouch (as example) or one big flap sewn into a square shape .
a90800 No.532964
Well I got my plates all setup, level 3+ front side and back
Protip: this shit is heavy as FUG. Going to have to start doing serious weight lifting. I don't know how you could wear this shit all day, feels like a 45 pound bench press plate.
d2cb89 No.532965
Would it be efficient to sew in some plate spots on a heavy worker's canvas jacket or pair of coveralls, /k/?
Poorfag, but I have coveralls for outdoor work in the winter when I'm willing to break my back to earn more money. Thinking I could sew some plate carriers into the inside cover since these things are already pretty much knife-proof/shrapnel-proof.
b1ddfa No.532968
>>532964
Does it put any of the weight on your hips? you may need to adjust the straps so that some of the weight sits on your pelvic bones (without being too tight)
>>532965
All of the weight would be on the shoulders unless you did some sewing.
b1e926 No.532975
>>532968
nah, it's all on my shoulders. I think the carrier is just shit.
e90ecc No.533460
74fdcc No.533464
>>518530
What do you not get?
A handgun is a sidearm.
Its a backup.
Its also more easily concealable and something you can generally carry on you 24/7 where as primary arms might not be as conveniently accessible.
1e1279 No.533472
>>533460
This. Just, like, duck haha
95e2bf No.533473
>>532964
People just get used to the weight by training with it.
405268 No.533477
>>532968
>>532975
Nibba you never want armour sat on top of your hips, that shit will rub you raw. You want to suspend the lowest point across the soft of your natural waist, between your hips and the bottom of your ribcage, like how faggy mountaineering backpack straps do
d2cb89 No.533512
>>532968
Wouldn't all the weight be on my shoulders/upper back either way? Not sure how I'd distribute it, really. I figured I could sew in some front plates around the torso to protect my soft bits/organs, and then counter-weight them with a couple of back plates that are for lighter arms but lower down to provide equal leverage (figured I'd have a backpack with me if I ever reached the point where I'd need this setup). Considered mild side plates for the upper arms, but anything lower wouldn't really be worth the extra weight after that. Was trying to think of a way to safely conceal body armor under autistic but explainable working wear in semi-urban/urban environments without breaking the bank alternative was to save up for one of those meme $300 handgun-stopping 10lb class II underwear tank tops that politicians wear.
Oh fuck me sideways, some time in the last six months they've jumped from ~$300 up to nearly $750. That's some bullshit right there…
I figure if I'm gonna get shot at, I'm probably already dead. Minimum protection from concealable firearms would be nice, but I'm more worried about shrapnel, sharp objects, cold weather, and extremely hot surfaces with the design than rifle rounds, hence the idea to use coveralls or a blaklader heavy worker jacket/pants combo as a base.
74fdcc No.533515
Looks like ar500 is having a chritsmas sale on plates and carriers. I've been eyeballing their products for a while so now seems a good time to jump on it, only thing is I have no idea what to look for in a carrier. Is it just aesthetic or are there discernible differences?
b1ddfa No.533529
>>533477
Shit your right, that's what i meant. excuse my retardation.
b1ddfa No.533534
>>533512
honestly, i think you're better off jury rigging some straps to go around a plate, you're going to have some trouble sewing a plate onto the font of a jacket in a sturdy and wearable way. i'd rather have a plate in one of those shitty string backpacks than fuck around sewing a plate onto work clothes.
if you're less worried about bullets, save up for some nice soft armour. it always costs more to try a stopgap solution before inevitably getting some quality gear, that's the first rule of shopping on a tight budget.
651ef2 No.533623
What if you make a gambeson out of Kevlar?
41cd72 No.534715
>>533623
Then I guess you'll have a Kevlar Gambeson? I don't know, fucker!
824db3 No.534912
>>533623
>>534715
Then you'd have really, really hard to move in thick kevlar attire. If you want bullet proof you should just go into investing in meta-materials, I mean they've came up with something stronger then standard Kevlar since 2007ish already and I'm pretty sure the only reason police don't use them is cost and red tape. Outside pistols full Kevlar won't do shit against rifles so if you want the benefits of a Gambeson just have a custom tailored coat with some metal in it.