e419bf No.495837
What is the best combat rifle and why is it the FAL?
f35dc6 No.495838
That's not the M1 Garand.
0af867 No.495842
32f485 No.495844
>>495838
Didn't know they had computers at the retirement home.
>>495842
if you said AK-74 you might be on the ball.
5e5c23 No.495845
>>495837
>>495838
>best combat rifle
The INSAS in the other guy's hands. No matter what is in my hands, it is best that his is the worst.
0af867 No.495846
>>495844
>if you said AK-74 you might be on the ball.
5.45 has nice recoil but for close/medium range nothing beats good ol' 7.62x39. It it can go through cover better than 5.45 while still maintaining more or less reasonable recoil on semi auto
f35dc6 No.495849
>>495844
>Pretty much impossible to ban in the states due to being fudd-bait
>sweet bayonet
>muh ping
>faster reload with practice
>.30-06
>stained with the blood of a hundred japs
Basically perfect tbh. Only downside is enbloc clips are kind of a pain in the ass to deal with.
0af867 No.495852
>>495849
>choosing a gun that is hard to ban
There is a four letter word for it. Starts with c and ends with k
f35dc6 No.495853
542868 No.495857
>>495837
FAL is inferior to the G3 in almost every single way.
>>495852
>Owning a gun that exploits precise wording and technicalities is cuckery
Guess I better toss my bumpfire stock or Jamal will fuck my girlfriend, right Mr. ATF?
b24eac No.495862
I'm not gonna lie OP is absolutely correct.
f5c300 No.495866
>>495862
Damn shame your country is too useless to have an actual military, C1s were cool with their stripper clips and stuff.
0af867 No.495867
>>495857
Bumpfire stock is actually the opposite of what hard to ban weapon/accessory would be
3c493a No.495868
>>495857
>FAL is inferior to the G3
>one-time brass
>degrading rollers
629500 No.495870
>>495868
>he thinks the G3 and the PTR-91 are the exact same gun and not just bult around the same frame
I have never seen a genuine G3 fuck up brass.
32f485 No.495890
>>495849
>.30-06
Only specialty loads specifically made for the garand. Modern loads will bend the op rod.
f5c300 No.495897
>>495890
There are aftermarket parts which make that a non issue iirc
b97ed3 No.495903
>>495870
>I have never seen a genuine G3
Fixed.
0e6d88 No.495906
>>495870
To be honest the whole 'Roller delayed H&K's destroy brass' thing is overblownpun intended. Sure they'll throw them into the next zip code and they get marred from the fluted chamber but most of the brass will still be usable after some time in a tumbler.
747724 No.495926
>>495890
this, modern 30-06 loads are hot as a son of a bitch, which is good.
>>495837
it is, FAL is an awesome gun, I encourage everyone to buy them. The old France was great at designing robust, hard hitting guns. It is a shame 5.56 happened.
542868 No.495932
>>495868
None of those are issues for the G3 though :^)
>>495903
They're about triple the price of a PTR or V-91 but pre-ban G3's aren't exactly impossible to find.
32f485 No.495940
>>495926
.30-06 is good, but I prefer .270 or .300 winmag.
0af867 No.495944
>>495940
In SHTF situation they would be harder to find than current mil ammo
1fae88 No.495958
>>495897
Just an adjustable gas plug is all that is needed. Nothing better than throwing some 220gr into the mix to see the reaction of people when it kicks.
747724 No.495960
>>495940
same here, I use a 300 win mag, fantastic round, it obliterates.
>>495944
true, but at least in America, .270 and 300 Win mag are among the most popular rifle cartridges. The only thing more available would be .308 or 12 gauge.
f68551 No.496041
9mm armalite rifle or bust
afecbc No.496092
AR-18 chambered in .280 British.
Nobody will ever expect it.
e50801 No.496097
>>496093
But paesano, OP already mentioned the FAL, he just got the wrong pic :^)
feabb0 No.496115
>>495944
tbh in a real SHTF if you don't already have a given item you should assume you probably wont see it available again until the end of the crisis. it doesn't necessarily matter if it's a common round or an uncommon round you should be planning as if what you have is all you'll ever have.
e419bf No.496116
>>496115
Good idea. Do you have a recommended number of assault sporks I should stock up on to prepare for when the SHTF?
feabb0 No.496117
>>496116
you shouldn't be relying on sporks as they break too easily. you'll have to apply for a spoon license since they're more durable for repeat scoopings.
good luck.
410618 No.496137
>>495849
you also get your thumb eaten. Still a grand gun to own.
747724 No.496149
>>496115
this is why you should stockpile
0e6d88 No.496150
>>496137
People only complain about garand thumb because they never had to deal with Hakim thumb. The Egyptians must have hated their soldiers.
e6b3a7 No.496151
>>496149
All the bike wheels in Britain, you say? We'll need to find a gypo for this job.
1fae88 No.496168
>>496150
Ljungman thumb is far far worse, although nobody mentioned FN49 thumb. I stuffed my finger into a M14, it ain't that bad.
b97ed3 No.496235
>>496168
>Ljungman thumb is far far worse
>Literally the same rifle
b0cc39 No.496239
>>496097
Fucking nice my man
7b1c76 No.504258
>>504244
>FAL
>That's a funny way to spell EM2
Shame you beat me to it.
6e080a No.504259
>>504244
This gun upsets me due to the story behind it.
why must the yanks ruin everything good and holy
3c66e4 No.504261
>>504259
Because you're still mad about it to this day
7b1c76 No.504263
>>504259
>why must the yanks ruin everything good and holy
Consider who we sent over to get them started. It wasn't exactly our best and brightest, was it. Granted the Canadians, Aussies, New Zealanders turned out more or less OK, but you can't expect to get that lucky every time.
We started them off as the dumping ground for criminals, religious loonies, failures, and misfits. The Indians should have built a wall.
75a97e No.504264
>>504263
>Aussies
I appreciate the gesture but we hate you too, cunt. You say sent but people sre pretty desperate to get away from a government looking to fuck you over at the soonest oppertunity. besides I know you're only saying we turned out all right because we stayed under you boot for so long. Rack off, you pommy fucks.
3c66e4 No.504267
>>504263
>The Indians should have built a wall.
They did a couple times, unlike you we tore down walls people put in front of us.
7aaf9f No.504274
G3 best raifu. Who the fuck cares about the brass being reusable when it comes to war? Sure, you don't want it to mess up extraction, but that is not a problem with the G3. It is reliable, shoots straight and got more than enough power for almost any task. FAL is ok too, but when you can get a gun made in your own country it is obvious that you would chose it over one made in another country.
7c20fb No.504275
>>504258
>>504259
Worst of all, the gun itself seems to be excellent. The action is stupid simple. It seems to be perfect for a STEN-treatment: make an upper and a lower receiver (although I'm not sure if there was any gun like that before the AR-15). The lower is just a bent piece of sheet metal that houses the trigger and the mag release. And the upper should be a piece of plumbing pipe with the trunion and barrel installed into it, and with some housing for the gas system. And by plumbing pipe I do mean it should have the same diameter as some standard steel pipe that's already produced in huge quantities. Imagine the world of firearms today.
Also, check this out: http://archive.is/Rs46j
The Original 6.5mm Cartridge of the Fedorov Avtomat
75a97e No.504316
>>504275
Mate, no offense but I'm not sure I can trust your thoughts on the EM2 when you frequently express mad scientist ideas.
7b1c76 No.504354
>>504316
He may have a worrying fetish for rifle grenades, but he's not wrong, at least on the point that the action of the EM2 was window-licking tier simple. Easy to produce, easy to maintain, easy to use, perfectly filling the needs of riflemen at the time and doing better than 5.56mm rifles used today.
If we're being charitable then the reasons the Burgers rejected it for the standard NATO round/rifle was because the ammunition used in the tests at the end of the competition was sub-standard (odd that, it's almost like the Americans were completely set on adopting a rifle and round produced by the companies that funded the politicians making the call). Magyarbro is right, and presents a fascinating view of a world where NATO armies still use long range effective battle-rifles, maybe even ones where the Russians are beginning to look for replacements to the Federov Avtomat model of 1974.
ec19a9 No.504368
>>495837
>FAL
FUNNY WAY TO SPELL G3
917641 No.504394
>>504354
>was window-licking tier simple
It still is. If the LSAT program will crash and burn, and traditional cased ammo will still prevail, then I will be on the opinion that this action should be used. It's even simpler than the AR-18.
>Federov Avtomat model of 1974
Something even better: Korobov Avtomat chambered for 6.5mm Federov. Imagine a Cold War where both sides use bullpup service rifles chambered for "upper end intermediate"-"lower end rifle" cartridges.
18f2d0 No.504402
>>504368
>>495837
I don't think I've ever seen such a funny disagreement about the best way to spell AK74.
aefc79 No.504448
>>496757
That has got to be a photoshop…r…right?
7b1c76 No.504512
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>>504394
>Korobov Avtomat chambered for 6.5mm Federov
Oh dear god yes
>Imagine a Cold War where both sides use bullpup service rifles chambered for "upper end intermediate"-"lower end rifle" cartridges.
vid related.
Hmm, could they have produced Korobovs & 6.5mm Federov cheaply enough to send huge weapon shipments to their various proxies in the Cold War? Or are you imagining a world without nukes where Europe goes 3 for 3 on world wars?
f9687a No.504515
>>504259
Reminder our military is looking into .264 USA which is almost identical to the .280 British.
917641 No.504516
>>504512
>Korobov
Of course the exact mechanism is a mystery, but I doubt that the actual machining operations are more complicated than what a pump-action shotgun needs. And it's housed in that plastic-polymer-whatever stuff that they later used for the mags, that shouldn't be too complicated for them to mass produce either.
>6.5mm Federov
They supplied half the world with 7.62x39mm and 7.62x54mmR at the same time, so I don't see the problem with that either.
>Or are you imagining a world without nukes where Europe goes 3 for 3 on world wars?
I have no idea exactly what kind of an alternative history would be required for this to happen, but I do believe that you wouldn't have to alter the "general" events of the Cold War, just lots and lots of decisions made by various small arms committees.
917641 No.504517
>>504515
Not only that, the LSAT program made a 6.5mm cartridge that is even more potent that 7.62x51mm, but the recoil is somewhere between that and 5.56x45mm. And it weights 15g, compared to the 12g of 5.56x45mm. Although the decreased recoil is mostly due to the action of the weapons, if my understanding is correct. Still, it's possible that this will replace both cartridges in the future. Although knowing the US Army they will soon abandon the program, even though the technology is pretty much ready, and they are mostly just optimizing the cartridges and weapons at this point.
0ce380 No.504524
>>504516
>6.5mm Federov
That is Arisaka you mongol rape baby.
917641 No.504526
>>504524
Is it really that hard to follow a thread, Wei? >>504275
779211 No.504538
>>504259
>why must the yanks ruin everything good and holy
.276 Pedersen has almost identical ballistics and pre-dates .280 British by more than 20 years and we had all kinds of weird little proprietary intermediate chamberings in the black powder days (plus we almost beat the G*rmans to fielding the first proper assault rifle en masse; the M1 Carbine was originally supposed to be fully automatic with a 30-round mag and a pistol grip plus para/tanker models with folding wire stocks), but really the whole saga is just retarded.
>Eh, we don't want to go through the logistics of switching everything to an objectively better round so we'll just stick with what we have
>Yeah, Nigel, those Germans had a pretty neat idea but let's just make .30-06 a little smaller and call it a day
>Oh hey Eugene, that AR-10 is pretty cool but do you think you could re-chamber it to .256? Actually never mind, just keep it in .308 because we're not going to adopt it anyway; we've been going full retard in one direction for so long that we should go full retard in the other direction for the foreseeable future just to keep things fresh
>So what if troops have been complaining about the terminal ballistics of 5.56 ever since it was introduced? The commies copied us so we must be doing something right
>Actually it's about time to upgrade so let's try something a bit heavier than 5.56
>No, wait, let's just try to make 5.56 more better and go back to ignoring new rounds that objectively outclass it
1b33b6 No.504551
>>504538
>.276 Pedersen
.276 Pedersen was still substantially more powerful and physically larger/heavier than .280 and .280 was never intended to be the 2000 ftlbs monster that it turned out to be, it originally had a lighter bullet, a smaller case diameter and less powder, the final adopted version of .280 was as powerful as it was due to trying to appease the US, the original version was more akin to something like 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC, a much better assault rifle cartridge.
Also, .276 Enfield
:^)
3c66e4 No.504557
>>504538
>arguing at all
Brits don't actually care that .280 is a better cartridge. They care that it's .280 british. If it had been .280 Australian they wouldn't give a fuck. Much like how they don't give a fuck about .280 Ross.
779211 No.504561
>>504551
>A cartridge that tacked on ~400 fps and ~450 ft-lb to .303 British is in any way relevant to a discussion about early stabs at intermediate chamberings
inb4 .280 Ross
Okay Nigel. At any rate, can we agree that the Germans get way more credit than they're due as far as the development of assault rifles and intermediate chamberings are concerned and that they're whiny cunts in general?
8aee8d No.504568
>>504561
Not him but yeah, I agree. I'm sick of this 'German engineering is best' meme. Krauts are fairly typical as far as white engineers go. Nothing about them is exceptional or special. The stupid meme leads to German engineers that don't know jack shit waving their dicks around and berating other engineers because muh teutonic engineering. French engineers are surprisingly good, very underrated, as are the older Soviet engineers. A company I used to work for poached a shitload of Soviet engineers after the collapse and they were all top notch. I don't have much experience with the newer ones educated after the collapse save for the odd Ukrainian here and there.
8b7509 No.504573
I tought you anti-edgy fags hated bullpup, you used to call it "taticool".
cf0512 No.504574
779211 No.504576
>>504568
German engineers are great if you can get a group of them together and give them a clearly-defined mechanical problem to work on; not so much otherwise.
7b1c76 No.504626
>>504576
Germany makes a lot more sense if you assume that every German is autistic.
e6bf98 No.504631
>>504561
>Germans literally develop the first assault rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge.
>THE GERMANS GET TOO MUCH CREDTH
>MUH 7.62 NATO!!!!
Wew.
7b1c76 No.504687
>>504515
>America
>Only a few decades late
>After the solution was shown to you in a way where you had to put in no work or research funding to reap the benefit
I might be getting a little vindictive here, but could anyone place a rough estimate on the costs (both in terms of cash and lives) to the various NATO armies caused by the Burger demands that everyone adopt first their overpowered 7.62 round and then their underpowered 5.56?
541367 No.504707
>>495837
You must mean the FALMAS.
8aee8d No.504754
>>504631
>What are Russians?
8aee8d No.504755
>>504752
Could the RAF go for a run over Stockholm while they're at it?
75a97e No.504766
>>504557
This, frankly. The pommies are mostly pissed about it because it's a symbol they're now weak enough to be pushed around by one of their colonies.
>>504687
>shitting on 7.62
>and by extension the FAL
You need to die
>>504755
If we're making a bomber Harris wish list I vote Melbourne.
541367 No.504787
>>504752
>posting a photo of a pre-enrichment British man
Why are you posting hatethought, anon?
7b1c76 No.504804
>>504766
The 7.62 round and FAL can work, if it's being used by disciplined soldiers with excellent marksmanship, in open terrain, engaging the enemy at 400+ yrds. Basically the 7.62mm is a great round for a sniper/marksman - are you happy with every rifleman swapping out his AR for a PSG-1?
In pretty much every other scenario it is at best more than you need, and more often than not causing problems (especially when americans start trying to mag-dump 7.62 at targets they can't really see and might not be there). Even if you can get around the problems caused by the recoil, and using an overpowered cartridge at close range there's still the problem that the size of the round limits the total number you can carry. Assuming the same weight and bulk would you rather be carrying 100 rounds or 1000 rounds?
At the ranges infantry can realistically expect to engage the enemy 7.62mm is more than they need, and 5.56 isn't enough. This would be why your SOCOM decided to partner with Remington to develop the 6.8mm SPC.
I can assure you that I will die at some point in the future, but you really need to at least consider growing up.
75a97e No.504805
>>504804
Telling people they're better off dead is basically Australia's national sport.
3c66e4 No.504814
>>504813
What's the point of being 80% if you completely cuck out?
75a97e No.504815
>>504814
>gypsy vs Muzzie
Not really sure who I'm supposed to root for
d33849 No.504816
1b33b6 No.504840
>>504814
>that article
>'could be'
Yeah, nah lad, the muzzies were promptly told to fuck off.
http://archive.fo/IdvUf
Also, it's 87%, lad, don't try to drag us down to your level, we're not that bad. Yet
d1c6e1 No.504847
>>504815
>>Gypsy
>will steal
>shit up your general area
>might kidnap your children and sell them as sex slaves
>might murder you if you're dumb enough to piss off a group of them without any sort of backup
>demand gibs
>>Muslim
>will steal
>will rape
>will shit up your general area
>might explode
>will kidnap children and fuck them or sell them as sex slaves after mutilating their genitals
>will kill you regardless of any backup if they're feeling particularly ackbarish that day
>literally want you dead simply for existing and not being a mudslime
>demand gibs
>demand preferential treatment
>can have you arrested for offending them
Gypsies are shit, but they're a little rabbit turd compared to Muslims' overflowing septic tank.
541367 No.504857
>>504813
>80% white
>biggest goyim around, allowed jews to replace your souls with monetary greed and hatred thus creating the eternal anglo
7b1c76 No.504858
>>504857
>Israel is our greatest ally.
9b9dde No.504877
>>504857
The UK is the saddest most cuckolded place on the planet.
>>504858
If your dumb ass doesn't think your country has Israel's fist so far up your ass they can make your mouth move like a fucking puppet you're insane. Have fun defending yourself against the brown tide with your nothing.
1b33b6 No.504883
>>504857
>80%
You're projecting there, Tyrone, not everyone is as bad as you.
Also, lad, you do realise what 'goyim' means, right?
>>504877
>yanks
>accusing anyone else of being jewish puppets
KEK
>have fun defending yourself against the brown tide with your nothing.
Yeah, because you're really using those guns to stop that in the US, aren't you lad? Day of the rope any day now, am I right?
3c66e4 No.504886
>>504858
Makes sense. After all you guys created Israel.
916400 No.504887
>>504883
Honestly the UK and the US have no room to be accusing each other of being jew puppets at all.
The UK is the reason Israel exists on stolen Palestinian land, and the US is the reason they don't fear attacks from all of their neighbors that hat their guts.
Also, why must you constantly shit up threads with muh 60%?
What is so triggering about a battle rifle thread that you feel the need to start shit with /pol/tards?
75a97e No.504888
>>504887
I dunno lad. You can't really get lower than creating Israel for your Jewish masters the Rothschilds. There was no real advantage to give the kikes the homeland. You guys may have replaced them as the chief ally but this is all their fault.
7b1c76 No.504891
>>504888
>You can't really get lower than creating Israel as a bargaining chip to get America off their arses and into WW1.
FTFY.
75a97e No.504900
>>504891
>he thinks Israel was created to get the burgers involved
This is sad. You guys have been the seat of the Rothschilds forever. Don't hide from the truth, pommy.
f0549d No.504903
In terms of production/quality I'd say the FAL
in terms of cheapness/quality I'd say G3
in terms of quality/performance I'd say STG57
2d31f5 No.505139
>>504930
Oh Argentina, you have such a Black humor!
0ea3ba No.505156
>>505139
>hides flag
>stirs shit about another country
Hmmmm…
And it's not even black humour, you dumbass, so your low-effort "joke" just falls flat. Sort yourself out.
2d31f5 No.505163
>>505156
If I where you I would hide my flag.
0a741d No.505776
>>505156
Thanks for standing up for me m8
9eda89 No.506006
Does this thing take any AK mag?
957473 No.506009
>>506006
That's 5.45, so while not quite as bullshit as 5.56 pattern AK mags, they're still a little bullshit. I think Russian/Bulgarian interchange and so do Romanian/Chinese.
761464 No.512702
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>>504903
G3's were pretty shit. I don't know if they still are but many guys on the border bitched about them and preferred the FN, or "R1" as colloquially known.
>>495837
Because vid related.
54b16a No.512714
>>506009
do you know if Tantals are on the bulgy/rus side or the gyppo/chink? I want a Tantal but availability of mags is a big deal for me
71e823 No.512907
>>495837
The real question is why is the FNC the FAL's retarded little sister?
0ce380 No.512910
>>512907
Because FN are retards who rather copy the AK system than shrink the FAL's stuff.
278d59 No.512915
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The Stoner 63 should have replaced the m16.
4c9d19 No.513003
>>504263
>der ewidge anglo pretends his people are any good when they're being mass genocided and their police are more concerned about rude speech online than muslims raping their women and children
>>504752
>firebombing civilians is good goy they were probably guilty of wrongthink anyway
687949 No.513022
>>513003
>>504263
>>504752
>this is what is left of Britain
jesus fuck me
687949 No.513025
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>>512702
>G3's were shit
G3 is ackshully an extremely reliable rifle
FAL is supposedly more user-friendly.
9e9ed2 No.513026
>>512915
it's because the initial 63 was very unreliable even more so then the m16 which was adopted in 64, it wasn't until 66 that they updated it to the 63a where it surpassed the m16. only for the m16A1 to come out in 67 which shrunk the performance gap. If Eugene Stoner left ArmaLite earlier and Colt could let his imagination fly before he got too old then it probably would've gotten used.
2ad3f4 No.513628
>>495852
Aren't feminists trying to ban those for oppression?
2ad3f4 No.513630
>>504394
>two triggers
Hideous.
1d7c00 No.513639
>>513025
Yeah, the G3 is violent and reliable while the FAL is actually comfortable to use.
2ad3f4 No.513640
>>504626
As if that weren't blatantly obvious.
d33b68 No.513690
>>513630
isn't the second one just a mag release?
30a225 No.513692
>>513690
>Releasing a mag
That's retarded, Anon. Domesticated magazines can't survive in the wild. They're not like clips, they have no natural survival instincts, we bred it out of them.
37b6f0 No.513708
>>513692
We'll see in a week.
d932a2 No.513709
The M4 just needs to be bumped up to 6.5mm and it will be perfect
e3d444 No.513710
Why can't Canadians own the Right Arm of the Free World? I can understand why politicians are scared shitless of evulll ARs and AKs, but why not FAL?
9d0aa1 No.513711
>>513708
Wonder if it will breed in the wild?
>>513710
They are scared of shorts.
37b6f0 No.513716
>>513710
From what I understand is they tried a registry that nobody ever used, attempted a gun grab and hilariously learned the hard way of why you don't steal from people who're armed, with that being said most flavors of FAL's were sub 300 maple dollars before 95. In the rural areas you've got every flavor of gun you could ever want, makes you wonder what leaves giant piles of 7.62tok.
>>513711
Only time will tell.
2e3ef3 No.513723
>>513708
That's a juvenile you monster! What if a higher capacity predator who has been in the wild longer sees it?
e3d444 No.513730
>>513716
>attempted a gun grab and hilariously learned the hard way of why you don't steal from people who're armed
More on this? Sounds hilarious.
37b6f0 No.513734
>>513730
Apparently the cheka tried to grab some shit from a fellow on a ranch and he fucked a SWAT groups day up with a G3 if I recall, after that policy changed then they begged people to register their shit or turn it in if it was on the naughty list. Nobody did either of the things they begged for. Shame the media didn't explode on the evil racist hillbilly gunowners because I have a good feeling mapleland would be a very different place if they did.
Hell, you wanna know what started the whole gun grab/registration/turn your property over dealio? Some shitskin in maplefrogland decided it would be a good idea to kill a bunch of feminist with a Mini-14. Funny how that works.
>>513723
The blood is on your hands.
d33b68 No.513735
>>513734
I can't watch that slaughter
f1a8ca No.513752
>>513734
My God, what have you done
8ceba9 No.513769
>>495926
The FAL is Belgian. :^)
687949 No.513773
>>513639
>violent
over-stated, mostly a meme
37b6f0 No.513786
>>513773
Its extraction is fairly nasty as in that fucker will mangle brass without a buffer not like reusing brass from a fluted chamber is a good idea anyway.
089574 No.513812
>>513734
Wonder if it will rape it instead and breed a new bastardized caliber?
6e5024 No.513814
>>513773
It's reliable because of how violent it is, why do you think it's an inherently negative term?
2bc8ab No.513815
>>513814
I guess it depends on the person
I shoot a 300 win mag regularly, so the G3's recoil is nothing to me.
6e5024 No.513818
>>513815
Your average grunt has never fired a gun in his life, so yeah there's going to be some inexperience to consider when making an infantry rifle.
2b9e6d No.513830
Why not .300 AAC BLK? 7.62 is always the way to go.
6ae921 No.513844
26eb9b No.513846
>>513690
Gee anon, you tell me how mag insertion would even work with a trigger in the way. No, seriously; how the fuck would you even load this?
ef89bc No.513847
>got the weird idea to buy some fal nigger rifle the other day
>realize my AR is everything I need to make america great again
f5dd34 No.513851
>>513846
It's like in staring into the face of God. How the fuck does this work.
1b5b04 No.513853
>>513846
>>513851
I think I have an idea. Gimme a minute to draw it out because I don't think words can explain it.
26eb9b No.513874
>>513856
>leaves being in charge of how gun mechanics
26eb9b No.513878
>>513874
>leaves in charge of how gun mechanics work
Got a bit eager with the new reply button.
1b5b04 No.513881
>>513874
Look at where the barrel is, its lower that the ejection port. What I'm getting at is the mag is held in by a rectangle piece that is either being pulled back by a spring or pushed forward. There is a folded leaver at the rear of the magazine well almost how the SVT-40 mag release is unless its some sort of takedown lever thing.
c414b3 No.513890
>>513874
That's not trigger, it's a magazine release. Dumbass.
6e5024 No.513891
>>513874
you are dumb
>>513881
RCMP is on its way to kill your dog and confiscate your assault magazine
e402c6 No.513912
>>513812
Tell call those calibres wildcats for a reason…
f932c7 No.513926
What gun should I steal to use in the Big Day 'round here?
bc3e17 No.513953
>>513926
You EARNED your Whiteness brchan.
6fca79 No.513977
>>513881
>>513874
>>513846
My guess is that the trigger pops out when you insert the mag, and when the mag is unloaded it just resets.
c414b3 No.513989
>>513874
>>513846
>>513630
>>513881
>>513977
>>504516
It's not a trigger. It's a magazine catch. It moves forward when a new mag is inserted.
Just like every other magazine catch ever.
Korobov's prototypes might look weird but they work just like every other automatic rifle ever made. All of them were either gas operated or used a delayed blowback system similar to a FAMAS.
The only one that didn't have a reciprocating bolt, the TKB-022, still had a reciprocating cartridge hook to move ammunition forward from the magazine into the chamber and extract it after firing. The locking was achieved through a tilting locking block that would rise up to brace the hook during firing and was then pushed down by a piece connected to the annular (wrapped around the barrel) piston. The tube above the barrel where the front sight is affixed is not the ejection port, the port is below that and covered by a small spring-loaded flap to prevent dirt from clogging the ejection tube (which can cause a malfunction). There is no mystery to how it worked. It didn't run on 'rusky space magic' or some shit like that.
Sometimes, anons, I think you're this stupid on purpose.
I'm including some photos of a G11 cracked open to show its gooey insides.
c414b3 No.513991
As you can see, the G11 was just a gas-operated gun inside a hollow plastic shell. The gun was free to move inside the shell during firing, and used a rotating chamber design loaded by a hook arm, but it was also a regular old gas piston gun.
57b0fc No.513992
>>513989
>reciprocating cartridge hook
Now see thats interesting, I didnt know about that, most people here dont know everything about military stuff. Its a huge field.
So next time just post the info without acting all offended.
e402c6 No.514027
>>513989
If you read back, this is what I wrote:
>Of course the exact mechanism is a mystery, but I doubt that the actual machining operations are more complicated than what a pump-action shotgun needs
I do admit that there are people out there who know how this weapon actually works (like you), but I'm positively sure that at least 99% of people who are interested in firearms don't belong to that category as of now, because there is simply not enough information out there about the TKB-022 that is both accurate and readily accessible. Still, to get something out of this: do you think that it's a simple design to manufacture?
>they work just like every other automatic rifle ever made
>it was also a regular old gas piston gun
Mechanical clocks in essence are a set of gears that regulate the rate of the source of power (usually a spring or a weight) releasing its energy into the system. That too is simple enough. You can even see it yourself if you take apart something like an old mechanical wall clock. Now, could you disassemble a Swiss watch and explain which gizmo does what without having prior knowledge? Quite unlikely, because it has a plethora of additional systems attached to an already quite complicated set of gears.
c414b3 No.514035
>>514027
>do you think that it's a simple design to manufacture?
The shell was injection molded and since there's no rotating bolt there are no helical cuts to make with an end mill. This gun would have been easier to manufacture than the AK. The reason it wasn't adopted was because the major factories had already tooled up for the AK and it didn't offer any significant performance improvements other than smaller size. Great for vehicle crews but it's easier to just cut down the barrel and slap a folding stock on a standard AK than retool the whole factory
>Now, could you disassemble a Swiss watch and explain which gizmo does what without having prior knowledge? Quite unlikely, because it has a plethora of additional systems attached to an already quite complicated set of gears.
I've been a drafter for 6 years, an engineer for 2, and I built and repaired watches in my teens. I'm pretty sure I could figure most watches.
a851fa No.514061
>>514035
Are the blueprints or a good description with accompanying illustrations available somewhere?
<Now, could you disassemble a Swiss watch and explain which gizmo does what without having prior knowledge?
>I've been a drafter for 6 years, an engineer for 2, and I built and repaired watches in my teens.
Now, that's exactly what I'd call prior knowledge. After all, any of us could act all high and mighty if somebody literally gave us a lecture on how a certain extremely rare gun with a completely unique action works, then he also gave us one of them to disassemble.
432ec1 No.514111
>>513989
>It's not a trigger. It's a magazine catch. It moves forward when a new mag is inserted.
So it works just like I imagined.
I used the word 'trigger' because it looks like one, don't get triggered for that.
12a5eb No.514115
>>514111
>don't get triggered
Nice trips. Nice pun.
Have a nice gun.
55ed17 No.514251
>>495837
>FAL
>Not G3
Come on Strelok, only real men know that delayed roller blow back is the master race.
292806 No.514253
>>495837
>What is the best combat rifle
The Barrett m107. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong.
03a46a No.514263
>>514253
>10 round magazine
>not using imaginary 30 round drum magazine
<but anon why not belt fed?
>…
ec0f9d No.514267
>>513709
>muh ebin meme round
6ae921 No.514287
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>>514253
What would ww1 generals think of this or of the lynx?
1b5b04 No.514308
>>514267
6.5x45 has been a thing since 1965-66
a96548 No.521950
>>495866 (Checked)
Although you are completely correct, get rake'd>>495862 .
013ffa No.521953
>>514287
Probably not much good.
It is less accuratr than 7.62 for. severely reduced volumes of fire and not much more lethality.
Armor is'nt present enough to make a difference in the hands of infantry, and .50 tends to skim go fuck knows where as soon as it hits anything, especially mud, wood and bricks.
Overall completely unadapted to wwi battlefields.
now make it full auto and we're talking. There is a reason the M2 is still in use today.
aa15d1 No.521966
>>514308
He's clearly talking about MPC or Grendel, not older versions.
Otherwise you might just bring up the 6.5mm Arisaka, which was the intermediate round used in the first ever assault rifle, the Federov Avtomat.
710e61 No.521969
>>495837
Are we talking about only the grandpa rifles? If yes, then:
AR > Stgw57 > G3 ≈ FAL > AK
37051d No.523505
>>504766
The FAL has been chambered on other things besides 7.62x51. Of course it became popular with that round, that was the direction NATO was going and FN wanted to sell as many rifles as possible.
>>504815
Gypsy are far better and this is coming from someone that lives in a country where all muslims have done is kill jews (and the son of a very shitty president).
>>504903
>STG57
That shit was heavy, very nice, but heavy. I'm sure someone could take the idea back to the drawing board and make it lighter and even add some modern features.
The FAL should have had a rotating bolt.
>>506006
There were middle eastern versions of the AKS74U chambered on 7.62x39.
>>512915
To my understanding, that thing is more oil dependent than the M16.
>>513025
It wears down in a very uneven way that makes it inconvenient for the upkeep. Something most military forces faced. Probably not an issue for an individual user. The action seems very violent and it is a bit heavy for modern standards.
414eba No.523508
>>521969
>G3 = FAL
Err… Lad? You sure about that?
2628a2 No.523511
>>523508
They're equivalent, approximate, not equal. I shot a G3 before, read dozens of reviews of "G3 vs FAL" and never a conclusion was drawn.
5daa8a No.523562
>>523511
Most of what I've seen has pointed towards the G3 being a mildly better rifle (slightly more accurate certainly) outside of automatic fire where the FAL's superior ergonomics and more conventional operating mechanism shine. That would mean, attractiveness aside, the G3 would be a superior civilian weapon (cheaper too, from what I gather).
5daa8a No.523565
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>>523562
>>523511
Vidrelated would be one obvious source of that. It'd be interesting if any American anons ever get the chance to test one after the other, though I suspect the odds of having such an opportunity to be quite low.
7af404 No.523567
>>523511
>>523562
>>523565
Imperial or Metric FAL? :^)
4ea69f No.523569
>>523567
Imperial tbh, selector you can actually reach with your thumb and a charging handle that doesn't give you an Australian massage when slinged. The mags are also better made and have larger locking tabs while still being interchangeable with Europoor mags. The sights are a bit meh and accessories are harder to come by, but you shouldn't be putting shit on a FAL anyway.
31064a No.523792
6ae921 No.523812
>>523632
Wait. if the Share act passed that would have meant we could have imported those..
7911b1 No.523814
>stopping power
>great cartridge
>easy to manage recoil compared to a G3
>easy to procure
>cheap
>some of the best sights on a rifle
>extremely accurate
>lighter than an M1
>easier to reload than a G3
>will treat you nice as long as you give her plenty of food
>will happily eat unless you get her food dirty
>magazines for it are fucking everywhere
>cheaper than an FAL or G3 not including 80 percent builds
>built to kill burly Europeans instead of needle limbed gooks
7911b1 No.523815
>>523814
meant to say cheap ammo, fug
38340a No.523816
7911b1 No.523817
>>523816
>tfw the BM-59 is heavier than an M14 despite have less overall length
>tfw it's somehow more expensive despite being made with surplus parts
if I wanted a shorter M1A i'd just get a scout model.
6e9fae No.523829
>>523817
Would United Defense LLC. M1A2 rifle grenade adapter work on the M1A? With rifle grenade launching blank cartridges of course.
0e3358 No.523831
>>523829
no, you have to use an m76 grenade launcher.
46f56b No.524438
>>505156
>>505776
/k/ommandos always stand up for each other
eaf738 No.524440
>>523565
>I suspect the odds of having such an opportunity to be quite low.
It's actually pretty decent if you count rental ranges.
07173d No.524482
>>495867
I'd just like to point out how prescient this post was.
6d2cc9 No.524810
>>524440
Oh, then more anons should take the chance and report back.