4cc16e No.482769
Can we have a good ol' future/sci-fi/weird/prototype guns thread? Let's also use this thread to discuss new/near future tech and how we might be able to implement said tech in the battlefield (ex. what do we need to have viable laser guns, besides miniaturization of current tech)
Kraut space magic welcome.
4cc16e No.482774
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Can we expect to have something like this but on personal weapons scale someday?
>that satisfying BRRRRRRT sound when the gun fires
4cc16e No.482787
>implying we'd ever see new innovation
>implying the only things wouldn't be copies of current guns but either lighter or with more rails
Sci-fi died and is replaced with stagnation.
4cc16e No.482790
The only weapon that I want to see made is Deus Ex's stealth pistol.
>>482787
I was intrigued by the CornerShot when I started hearing about them around 12 years ago, but they proved to only really be good at swat operations.
4cc16e No.482791
>>482787
>implying that's a bad thing
Maintenance for these sci-fi weapons would suck
4cc16e No.482793
>>482791
A musketfag probably said the same thing about the inherently more complex breech raifu. Same shit with the bolt action. Anti-Drone guns are a real thing now so I'd expect the next shootah to be based of that and the PEP/PIKL program (laser that creates exploding plasma) at some point within my lifetime.
4cc16e No.482813
>>482791
>Have you seen that weird looking 'bow' thing Ogg was working on in the cave?
>Why would you even think that was needed? Is Ogg too much of a manlet to throw a javelin rather than making tiny javelins and building a fancy stringy thing to throw them for him?
>Can you think how much work it would take to maintain that nonsense?
>It'll never catch on though, javelins are here to stay.
4cc16e No.482816
>>482793
>>482813
These are just normal guns covered in worthless plastic.
4cc16e No.482821
>>482769
Some of the aftermarket stocks for that hi-point carbine are getting ridiculous.
4cc16e No.482838
>>482816
No shit Sherlock. But claiming that firearm design (both internal and external) will not change because you like what's in production now is as retarded as the cave man who was convinced that bows wouldn't amount to anything - that was what I was saying in the post you responded to.
4cc16e No.482852
What about something like a meltagun that uses Americium 242 to generate nuclear plasma?
4cc16e No.482861
>>482859
We already have them. Navy uses them on certain ships.
4cc16e No.482877
I would trade my left testicle for a functioning lasgun.
4cc16e No.482880
>>482861
Aren't they like the size of a car though? Or am I thinking of the navy's rail guns?
4cc16e No.482884
>>482877
Which pattern is best and why is it Lucius
4cc16e No.482885
>>482880
They're pretty small.
4cc16e No.482886
>>482880
Rail guns are like the size of an 18-wheeler, maybe two.
4cc16e No.482890
>>482877 (checked)
According to the fluff for the long las, a longer barrel helps keep the weapon cool. (which makes some sense) So if you took the accatran and gave it a longer barrel turning it into a standard length lasgun you could (at least according to fluff) make the beam stronger without risking overheating as with standard lasguns.
4cc16e No.482891
Now I wish I screencapped or copied down that big caseless ammo SMG spergout I did a few weeks ago, about a firearm I made up for a story I was writing, where went into pornographic detail about how it worked.
4cc16e No.482895
>>482821
Railguns are retarded due to a variety of flaws. Its difficult to put voids, fuel, or guidance in the shells. The capacitors are huge and vulnerable to electronic attack. The barrels have to be replaced every few shots. And the kinetic energy = TNT thing is a myth, or at least wildly misunderstood science.
Lasers are retarded due to two fundamental flaws, they dont work in all weather conditions, and ablative armor (cork) is dirt cheap.
The future consists of:
1. Plasma primers, which increase efficiency of deflagration.
2. Light gas combustion, which allows much faster speeds around 6km/s.
3.Scramjet rounds, which can sustain the 6km/s speed.
All three of these technologies can work together, and WILL be combined in time for the next world war.
As for the far flung future, we can expect space battles to be fought with nuclear voitenko compressors firing slugs of metals from the island of stability at 1000km/s.
4cc16e No.482911
>>482885
That's just the laser emitter. The actual laser tubes that feed into it at a lower intensity are below deck and require a powerplant that could feed a town.
4cc16e No.482956
>Didn't see "Concept" on those filenames, thought that the Russians were at it again.
4cc16e No.482985
>>482793
Thats how the standard issue Imperial Flashlight works basically. Zappy laser causes explody plasma on contact. Fluffwise theyre pretty damn cool/effective
4cc16e No.483007
It worked so of course Starfleet didn't use it.
4cc16e No.483035
>>482859
>>482787
I highly doubt that handheld combat laser guns will be a thing in the near future.
I can think of few technologies which could lead to weapons that could be similiar to our idealized laser guns, but it's just not the same nor military compatible.
There isn't a known chemical reaction which fuel would be so small and cheap that it could be fitted in a laser gun, and also you'd have to do some tesla tier physics wizardy to keep the laser from expanding over distance and behave as necessary for weaponization purposes. That's quite many years to r&d something which patents nobody will respect. This isn't exactly the victorian era. There are no gentlemen in this field anymore. If you come up with something extremely useful or profitable patent offices will wipe their asses with your request, pocket the money and hand over your plans to a local company. This is of course if your shit hasn't been stolen either by private or public sector before you've even filed for a patent.
So something like handheld combat laser rifles are a thing which only governments can develope, and most don't have the excess funding or interest towards it because the technology simply isn't there yet.
To put it in perspective, we're going to have hovering electric cars before laser raifus.
4cc16e No.483049
I want to see a scaled up kriss vector for 5.56/7.62 or at least a rifle that uses the recoil re-directing bolt system.
The R-201 Carbine from the titanfall game series comes to mind.
Dont tell me you have'nt thought about it at least once.
4cc16e No.483052
>>483049
According to one of those LSAT interviews at thefirearmblog.com those funky moving chamber designs already have a similar effect.
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4cc16e No.483119
>>482884
>not superior Mars pattern
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4cc16e No.483555
As I blathered about before. Figured I'd post again, just because I liked writing about it in the first place.
I wrote a comic book script a couple years ago, almost entirely for myself, about a India-American ex-military gril in a post apocalypse setting who essentially has to herd kittens from the middle of the abandoned zone, back to her fortress home, on foot. The main kitten being herded in particular is a college student type who doesn't even believe there's a threat around them. She sees them, while he ignores them, and because of that he resents her and her "paranoia" and her guns and all that. Last year I converted the script into a novel, but I'll always prefer this as a comic book, it would probably be the best one made of any year it would be made, if it were to happen. It's a low bar, that comic book world.
The second pic was more of a visual aid for the artist who was doing the cover. Obviously stolen from a picture of a Kriss Vector, and then I shaved it down and added some details of what I imagined this fantasy gun would be.
A short sum up is that it's a firearm made in 2060 to become the new US military standard issue. It's caseless ammo, the propellant is made with sort of "easy bake" homemade kits (no actual baking required), you can technically mold the propellant onto any projectile you want with the kit, and the kit even comes with a chemical compound that melts down pennies so you can make your own copper slugs (I didn't put this in the book, just thought it was funny, like it would terrify the ol you know who to melt down precious pennies to turn into bullets). The ammo is loaded and sorted by small rail arms within the gun and the magazine itself. The barrel expands and retracts automatically to change calibers on the fly, even multiple calibers loaded into the same magazine. Laser and flashlight built in and powered by an internal battery that is charged by a solar power and kinetic energy skin over the entire weapon. The gun seen here is a compact SMG version of the rifle equivalent.
I'm thinking I should just copy/paste the gun porn portions of the book itself. I'll come back to this.
4cc16e No.483557
>>483555
> firearm made in 2060 to become the new US military standard issue
>It's a caseless submachine gun
4cc16e No.483560
>caseless telescoping ammo becomes a popular thing
>60 rounder lightweight mags
>SAWs are obsolete, only multirole auto ARs and mags now
When?
4cc16e No.483562
>>483560
Why are you posting that piece of shit? It completely lacks any form of sights and its only features are an ammo counter and a flashlight you can't remove.
4cc16e No.483563
>>483560
>60 rounds of 7.62 in full auto in fucking bullpup
How the fuck did they manage to fit 60 rounds into that mag.
Also your shoulder is going to turn into goop firing 7.62 at full auto.
4cc16e No.483564
>>483562
> completely lacks any form of sights
Marines have HUD that helps them aim
>Also your shoulder is going to turn into goop firing 7.62 at full auto.
Thing has recoil absorption sytems
4cc16e No.483566
>>483555
Look, I readily admit that I'm an Europoor who never fired a gun, and even I don't know where to start. So just one thing: caseless ammunition is called caseless because it doesn't have a case. Shells are projectiles that contain high explosives or something similar, and their primary role is to deliver that substance. Usually they are only fired by weapons with at least a calibre of 20mm, although sometimes even 12.7mm or 13mm heavy machine gun ammo is classified as shells.
>>483563
>How the fuck did they manage to fit 60 rounds into that mag.
Maybe it's caseless Tokarev?
4cc16e No.483572
>>483563
>>483566
VAG-73 has 48 rounds in a pistol grip smaller than a .45acp single stack.
It's possible if all you care is capacity, and considering the fact that retarded assault rife is about 100 MOA rifle and doesn't seem to have any effect on an enemy…. im going to say they only cared about capacity with it.
4cc16e No.483634
>>483566
>Shells are projectiles that contain high explosives
So you're saying it fires the shell.
4cc16e No.483636
>>483566
>caseless ammunition is called caseless because it doesn't have a case
So what?
>>483557
>It's a caseless submachine gun
From the post you replied to
>The gun seen here is a compact SMG version of the rifle equivalent.
4cc16e No.483664
>>482774
Already exists, some type of scaled down minigun.
4cc16e No.483670
>>483564
>Marines have HUD that helps them aim
Which is why it is garbage, considering the fact that you need a HUD seperate from the gun just to aim it because it is designed for looks and not actual use.
4cc16e No.483683
>>482859
Never, earth atmosphere is gonna fuck them raw.
Now, a laser-electric weapon - that should be perfectly fine. Use laser to create an ionized channel in the air and them make it like Zeus and zap a cap in a nigga.
4cc16e No.483739
>>483035
Fuck. I hope that Fallout happens and nuclear tech gets really efficient and microfusion batteries that can shoot melting lasers. That would be rad.
4cc16e No.483763
>>482790
Is the Deus Ex pistol supposed to be a bullpup pistol with integral suppression?
4cc16e No.483768
4cc16e No.483849
>>483555
>caseless ammo meme
>flippable sight
>front view of the sight shows it's off center
>muh tacticool pistol grip and retractable stock
>giant ass magazine fit for some .308 gun for "caseless ammo" meme
This is autism and a very boring way of memeing future weapons. Chaser did a better job and most of the guns in that game were current year ones.
>pooinloo wymyn soldier
Well that explains why your gun idea's retarded.
>>483670
It's the future, you fucking schmuck. Every marine has the HUD required to use it. Even Bungie figured that out when designing it, and they're generally incompetent morons. It's also from a sci-fi universe where lizards with cow hooves, featherless flightless birds, autistic shit-gas-breathing midgets, bugs, angry monkeys, and scheming jews team up to commit mass suicide by firing memetic ring superweapons and get bested by an AI and a guy in a green suit.
>>483563
Double stacked wide mags. The cucking of it into a 32 rounder that sucked shit in 3 and Reach was done for muh multiplayer balancing, not "realism".
4cc16e No.483868
>>483849
>Accidentally break HUD or have it fried by some sort of EMP
>Now have a gun with no conceivable sights
Seriously, HUD or not it makes no sense not to put fucking iron sights on it. Don't defend Bungie's faggotry.
4cc16e No.483870
>>483560
>>483566
It isn't even caseless/telescoping, just your standard 7.62x51, no faster propellant gimmick or anything.
>>483562
Not to mention that ammo counter is about 10x larger than it needs to be, when it could just as easily be displayed via the same HUD used to aim the thing.
>>483564
>Thing has recoil absorption systems
Hardly, given the need for an attachment like pic related and the in-game reticle bloom.
500 years in the future and this is the best the UNSC can squeeze out of those pesky Martians.
4cc16e No.483871
>>483868
They did make this though….
4cc16e No.483872
>>483871
That's what really shits me about "muh HUD" argument. Every single human weapon besides the service rifle has ironsights on it.
4cc16e No.483873
>>483872
Battle Rifle doesn't. It has a rail on to top for red dot or scope.
4cc16e No.483876
>>483871
I just noticed how fucking terrible that grip is though. Fine for a Spartan maybe, but that shit has be murder for a regular human.
4cc16e No.483878
>>483871
>>483876
Less autistic variants. Could be a half decent design, tbqh.
4cc16e No.483882
>>483878
I had an idea. Make a version that's a Carbine Conversion for a Select Fire Pistol that shoots the 5x23mm caseless ammo. That'd be pretty neato.
4cc16e No.483897
>>483849
>It's the future, you fucking schmuck. Every marine has the HUD required to use it.
That is as awful excuse, which, especially if you assume this technology exists and works exactly as indended, does not fix anything. Here are a few reasons why a HUD would be awful:
>energy running out for the HUD, means that you are not only carrying a gun you can no longer aim properly in combat but you are also carrying all of the equipment necessary to make the HUD work
>any type of electronic equipment is going to be expensive, especially if it involves a combination of cameras, screens and augmented reality
>banging your head against something could potentially damage the electronics necessary for it to work
>there would also would be the need to charge/replace batteries for the HUD, which can become an issue when a couple hundred people start complaining about empty batteries but the number of batteries/facilities is limited
>all of this could have been avoided by adding a few small pieces of cheap plastic to the gun and having the HUD assist the user instead of having it serve as the only means by which to accurately aim your gun
4cc16e No.483904
>>482787
>There is no way to improve on the arming sword
>Implying the only things wouldn't be copies of the sword but without a guard or with spikes
4cc16e No.484021
>>483868
I think they use their implants to aim, not the helmet HUD
4cc16e No.484026
https://strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20170414.aspx
April 14, 2017: The U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Army agree they may have finally found a caseless ammunition design that will work reliably in combat and be much (37 percent) lighter than conventional 5.56mm ammo.
Not much work was done on this caseless ammo in the 1990s but after 2001 American firms began working on upgrading and improving the Dynamit Nobel tech and field testing has shown that the new polymer case design is safe and reliable.
4cc16e No.484027
>>484026
>Army agree they may have finally found a CASELESS ammunition design
>polymer CASE design
>mfw
4cc16e No.484078
>>484027
They have two different types of ammunition they're using with the LSAT; one is a nonmetal, telescope case and the other is the case less one.
4cc16e No.484120
4cc16e No.484124
>>484122
sage for doublepost, but the Zaku has a 120mm full automatic weapon with a rapid rate of fire. Would this actually be possible to build in real life, or would the barrel overheat? I'm guessing Zeon have fair access to elements like tungsten and titanium due to asteroid mining, plus they can cast metals in micro gravity which leads to better homogenized alloys
4cc16e No.484187
Is there any possibility of melee weapons/bayonets coming back into fashion?
considering that presentation the DoD did on insurgencies in the mega-cities of the future, as well as the rapidly increasing amount of riot-like conflicts, is there any way shit like stun batons will become a thing? I mean technically melee never really stopped being used in combat, but will we ever see marines with carbon-alloy sabres?
4cc16e No.484188
>>484187
The best hand to hand combat weapon will always and forever be the handgun as you just need to point and shoot. No swings, so stabs, no physical exertion needed.
4cc16e No.484195
>>484187
Knives are tools, so there is no reason why there wouldn't be knives or machetes or hatchets in the future. But sabres? No, chainmail will be used when the threat of bein cut is greater then the injuries of being shot and future materials may even make maille of some sort that doesn't have that problem and be much more lightweight which may see future use.
>>484188
>The best hand to hand combat weapon will always and forever be the handgun as you just need to point and shoot.
A skilled knifer will kill you about around the same time you pulled the trigger if he's within 20-feet. If he's point blank he can cut your ligaments before you can even aim, let alone pull the gun out. And no, he won't charge blindly at you he;ll make himself appear harmless until he's right on top of you, that's how someone who is using a knife rolls.
>No swings, so stabs, no physical exertion needed.
It doesn't take much to cut someone hard, even a manlet can fuck you up with a knife.
4cc16e No.484199
All of these fucking sci-fi guns look the same you all have shit taste and no concept of uniquity.
4cc16e No.484226
4cc16e No.484229
>>484124
Use helium based cooling. But really heat is an issue for space weapons since heat can only radiate away.
4cc16e No.484230
>>484226
Because Gundanium only exists in After Colony and not the Universal Century.
4cc16e No.484241
>>484195
>A skilled knifer will kill you about around the same time you pulled the trigger if he's within 20-feet. If he's point blank he can cut your ligaments before you can even aim, let alone pull the gun out. And no, he won't charge blindly at you he;ll make himself appear harmless until he's right on top of you, that's how someone who is using a knife rolls.
pshh, nothin personel, kid
4cc16e No.484242
>>484195
Oh yeah I forgot war is where everyone walks around in civilian clothing with their guns holstered except for the special elite troopers that get to run around with knives out. Let me ask you this, at what distance does a holstered knife beat a drawn gun? Fucking leaf
4cc16e No.484275
>>484195
If you have any decent skill with a handgun, you should be able to have your gun out and two rounds through a target within a second. So there you are with your "nothin personell kid" knife skills and two .45 acp sized holes in your chest.
4cc16e No.484280
>>484195
They even did this shit on mythbusters, inside 20 feet you have an advantage against relatively unskilled people with handguns. Have someone who knows what they are doing, and then you need to be inside 8-10 feet. And then this all relies on the guy being alone. Guy with a handgun can drop multiple people in quick succesion, meanwhile you stab one guy and his buddy 10 feet away magdumps into your chest cavity.
4cc16e No.484287
>>484188
I would really like to know the official killcount of entrenching tools throughout human history.
4cc16e No.484319
>>484241
>>484242
Leafing aside he's partially right. One of my friend's Dad is a cop. He got stabbed because a guy charged him with a screwdriver before he could pull on him. People looking to close the distance fast can muster surprising speed.
4cc16e No.484331
>>484319
No, the question was in a fair fight on equal footing what is a superior close combat weapon. And that is the hand gun. There is NO distance a knife will beat drawn gun held by someone of equal skill because the knife is an inferior weapon. You could probably sneak up and take an unsuspecting guy holding a nuclear recoiless rifle down with a sucker punch but that doesn't make your fist a superior weapon. You won because you had the advantage of being the aggressor along with the element of surprise. Just like how two men of equal skill with guns will always have the one with the gun already drawn winning a fight.
4cc16e No.484336
4cc16e No.484357
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>>484287
I remember a few thousand people being executed with the shovels in Chechnya.
In USSR and Russia the shovel is considered a close combat weapon and there is a training to use it like an axe or throw it.
4cc16e No.484395
bullpup conversion for keklashnikov
>looks pretty güd to me.xcf
>inb4 mag rock in problem
>inb4 shitty bullpup trigger
it isn't gonna be a precision gun, but fuck I want one so bad.
4cc16e No.484408
>>484395
At least that one has a "ghetto sci-fi" feeling, like what you get from the films of Neill Blomkamp.
4cc16e No.484610
>>484331
>You won because you had the advantage of being the aggressor along with the element of surprise.
FYI this is how pretty much what all knifers do, as a rule. If the knife is drawn at a distance it's because they're doing a threat display, this "fair fight" nonsense can get fucked. Nobody fights fair, if they are it's because you were smart and brought your buddies with you to witness a challenge to a fist fight.
4cc16e No.484617
>>484331
>fair fight
Nobody with a knife is looking for a fair-fight you retarded fuck. The advantage lf knives has always been conceability. In fact, in the Canadian's scenario the fight is deliberately dirty.
4cc16e No.484662
>>484621
IS THAT A KEL TEC RDB?
4cc16e No.484741
>>484621
my shoulder hurts looking at that, lol
4cc16e No.484771
>>483555
>Round misfires
>Have to field strip weapon
>Want to unload weapon
>Have to field strip weapon
4cc16e No.484775
>>482877
but don't they call it the flash bulb?
4cc16e No.484813
>>484775
Flash Light, actually. It's a reference to how it's one of the weakest weapons in the setting, but that's only compared to things like machine guns, rapid fire gyrojets, and disintegrating rayguns. In terms of simple logistics, it's the best weapon.
4cc16e No.484925
>>484199
>G11
>Let's make a gun that looks like a fucking brick with a scope on top!
>>484287
We used them to chop down trees in basic.
Klapspaten is fun.
4cc16e No.485103
>>483876
look at the way your hand folds. The grip forces your hand to get as close to the top as possible, making recoil easier to manage. it looks retarded, but it would work, just like a thumb hole stock.
4cc16e No.485104
>>483897
>BUIS not fibreoptic BU red dot
Do you even sci fi?
4cc16e No.485498
>>484813
Pretty much, the funny thing is if you look at the way its effects are portrayed in the setting it seems to be about on a par with a modern .50 BMG rifle, blowing limbs off with one hit sort of stuff. Then again when you look at the sort of things they're fighting a lot of them probably wouldn't be slowed down by much less than a burst from a 30mm cannon right to the skull.
But yeah, a service rifle with effectively 0 moving parts, where the magazines can be recharged by warming them up in a fire or even just leaving them in the sunlight for a while, which can be mass produced in quantities of a few million per shift (at a smaller factory), and where you don't need to bother with marksmanship training much beyond "put the red dot in the middle of the sight on top of the target and squeeze the trigger". It's a pretty awesome and practical piece of kit.
4cc16e No.485849
>>484187
As with any discussion of futuretech, it depends what theater of combat and what kind of enemy in particular. Durka durkas? Probably not, you need to worry more about not being exploded than anything else. So, range and information are more important.
Riot/civil war, though? Yeah, I could totally see Roman-style shieldwalls with taser sabres becoming a thing.
Like swords back then, though, they still wouldn't be the primary weapon- just a backup for close quarters.
4cc16e No.486217
>>482956
Dude, please tell me this beauty is either legal to own in Commiefornia or will be legal to own in Commiefornia!! I must have it!!
4cc16e No.486401
>>482787
>implying we'd ever see new innovation
People in the Middle Ages thought that as well when crossbows started becoming popular.
4cc16e No.486416
>>486401
Crossbows existed pre-Middle ages too though. The Greeks of the Classical period had the gastrophetes, and in China they had the chu-no-ku. And if you take rock paintings at their word, apparently the Pictish got their hands on crossbows brought over by the Romans.
4cc16e No.486417
>>486416
Quick correction, should be gastraphetes and chu-ko-nu
4dac86 No.490391
>>482895
>Railguns are retarded due to a variety of flaws.
> The capacitors are huge and vulnerable to electronic attack.
Caps (and the rest of working circuits) fit for a railgun by definition are made for currents that produce magnetic fields exerting enough pressure for artillery use.
Any lesser surges are… minor fluctuations.
The rest is true, though.
Obviously, railguns are not fit for long-range artillery or sniping because they'd degrade enough to noticeably change characteristics while you'd try to sight them.
This still leaves relatively short range anti-armor (kinetic penetrators don't need fancy-shmancy electronics) and MG (remember those designs with easy-to-swap barrels?) niches.
33c966 No.490416
>>486416
>chu-no-ku
>The weapon was extremely easy to manufacture and use, and, in the hands of a trained soldier, could easily launch ten bolts in fifteen seconds.[1]
>Non-recurved versions of the repeating crossbow were often used for home defense.
Ridiculous. Why would a civilian need a crossbow that can shoot that fast, or have such a large magazine? We need to ban high-capacity assault crossbows. When the laws were written they didn't know we would have weapons this deadly.
d2739f No.490427
>>484230
UC did have Lunar Titanium though. First episode of 0079 has the Gundam eat a burst of 120mm and not even give a damn.
2865ef No.490434
>>490416
To be fair, chu-ko-nu were far weaker compared to non-repeating designs. They were basically used by massed peasant conscripts against unarmored barbarians whose extent of their training was "Take this thing, point it at those screaming charging foreigner hordes, and work this lever until things stop shooting out." Against armored opponents, they were virtually useless except for maybe momentarily slowing them down as they covered their faces from the shower of bolts since many asian helms worn by footsoldiers of the period did not have full face cover. It's unsurprising they would be used for home defense, since thieves and robbers generally aren't wearing armor or carrying shields.
f9a19f No.490439
>>490391
Always relevant.
>>490416
But it's Chinese! You must preserve this important part of your diverse culture at any cost!
33c966 No.490443
>>490434
>To be fair, chu-ko-nu were far weaker compared to non-repeating designs
And 5.56 is weaker than .303, but the people I was mocking still go after AR-15s more than Enfields.
81b014 No.490445
>>483876
California compliant.
33c966 No.490458
>>490439
>using second person when describing Chinese culture to a Leaf
I almost missed that.
I've been paying so much attention to the poor Syrian refugees I nearly forgot about the West Coast's effort to atone for the genocidal Head Tax.
2865ef No.490465
>>490443
Good point, don't know how I missed that obvious analogy. I need more sleep.
586e14 No.490932
>>484925
Your point being.
4dac86 No.491206
>>482859
Smoke is too easy to make.
MAYBE in vacuum.
But then, imagine trying to shoot laser through a cloud of confetti sized retroflectors.
Probably won't be good enough to seriously harm the shooter - but still more than enough to permanently fuck up vision (whether eyes or camera).
Thin foil on plastic is cheap.
80441e No.491221
>>491206
>>491206
laser efficiency is also 20%
meaning 80% of the input power is waste heat….
49277d No.491236
>>491221
Except that the politicians looking through the proposal for replacing all US ballistic small arms with the Freedom-Ray A1: pulsed beam rifle (at only $5'000 per unit!) won't be looking at the efficiency stats, or the battery life, or even the weight, ergonomics, or reliability data. They'll be looking at the very generous 'political donation', how many jobs the new factory will bring into their constituency, and how they want to go on the news and talk about the totally awesome new 10kg death rays that they're buying for US soldiers (and police, but keep that last one quiet).
6c633a No.491242
>>483739
>That would be rad.
>rad
Pun intended?
20f29e No.491439
>>491206
Sandcasters don't make sense. There's no reason to use a cloud of reflective material compared to an equal mass of solid armor. Actually there's a lot of reasons why you'd prefer solid armor, like that it isn't wasted by expanding everywhere.
6badd8 No.494752
>>484621
Are thumbhole stocks as good as pistol grips for handling recoil?
dcefab No.494756
>>494752
They can be better, but they're far less of a 'one size fits all' and more dependent on the individual/being fitted to the individual.
6badd8 No.494762
>>494756
any advice or resources on how to determine a good fit for a thumbhole stock? Like if I'm picking one up and handling it, how do I know its the right shape/dimensions?
3bcd04 No.494767
>>491206
Lasers lose their penetrative effectiveness very quickly and thick solid absorbent materials are a good defense against them in space. Since the only time you'd use a laser rifle is man vs man, you'd be better off with a gun in all cases even in cases where damaging equipment is a concern because a laser powerful enough to cut through you is also going to be able to damage exposed electronics just by firing the thing nearby. Depending on what type of laser we're talking here the flash from firing the laser itself is sufficient to permanently burn out a person's eyes.
Lasers are pretty much ship and space station only tier weapons, since lasers effective enough to kill you dead in a light second are going to be pretty big.
4eebac No.496927
>>484408
Is the safety still at the back? How are you supposed to even quickly flip it then if you have to basically stick your hand in your armpit?
2273c8 No.496932
++IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE OPERATORS STILL OPERATE WITH ACOG SIGHTS MOUNTED ON PICATINNY RAILS++
Check out these new bolters here: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-FI/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017 The designs are somehow improved, note that there are ejection ports on both sides now, just over the magazine. But they are still a wee bit too far away from how a functioning firearm should look like.
>>496927
>Is the safety still at the back?
As you can see.
>How are you supposed to even quickly flip it then if you have to basically stick your hand in your armpit?
The same way you hold and operate that rifle in a comfortable way.
9561e8 No.497330
>>482884
>>483053
>>483119
Not Accatran pattern MkIV
Not Fractrix pattern assault laser
>>483119
>not superior Mars pattern
Mars pattern are obsolete pre-crusade era, the ones the not arabs on camels are using, you toaster fucker.
(Adeptus Mechanicus forces are using galvanic weapons, not laser weapons except handcrafted "bolt" las-locks for precision and power. Laser is for non-tentacled peasants.)
a21df3 No.497333
>>482787
this is partially true. As far as firearms have come, we're nearing the end of the tech tree. Everything else from this point out will be just slight improvements on what we have. That is, until something completely different appears and we'll have a whole new tech tree to unlock, so to speak
e.g. flintlock technology remained relatively similar for 300 years. It wasn't until cartridges were developed, a whole new chain of inventions could be made
4dac86 No.497405
If someone could give me Quake 3's LG, I could die happy.
f112cb No.497436
>>482769
>>490465
also they tended smear the boltheads with poison commonly used to dispose of tigers,
so you are walking into a hailstorm of toxic crossbow bolts, but do not worry your armour will keep most of them out of your flesh,,,
f112cb No.497438
>>497436
The Ming Dynasty text says, "The Zhuge Nu is a handy little weapon that even the Confucian scholar (i.e. a weakling) or palace women can use in self-defence. It fires weakly so you have to tip the darts with poison. Once the darts are tipped with 'tiger-killing poison', you can fire it at a horse or a man and as long as you draw blood, your adversary will die immediately. The draw-back to the weapon is its very limited range."
ec8716 No.497452
>>497438
>JUST fucking poison everybody, fam
So chinks were indeed these soulless things even back then. They are lucky that they didn't have ready access to chemical weapons during the first half of the previous century. They would have genocided themselves.
5c26d4 No.497491
>>497452
Medieval Europeans also did things like poison water sources on enemy territory or hurl rotting carcasses into strongholds to infect defenders on sieges, so there's not exactly a massive gap there.
ebbf7f No.497495
>>482769
>scope brand scope in the third pic
That will never die.
cdcdfc No.497510
>>482769
>energy weapons
The only limiting factor on energy weapons is battery tech. When batteries become lighter than ammo, we will have energy weapons.
01a097 No.497517
>>484275
Its called the 25 feet rule. Within 25 feet the average officer does not have the time to draw from his holster and fire if the assailant is running at them.
2b8512 No.497543
>>497491
>a great group of men, often times led by actual psychopaths, comes together to commit acts of violence, and they they are even willing to start plagues in enemy towns
VS
>a noblewoman hears something in the darkness of her home and hurls a dozen poisoned darts to that direction
I'm not against defending one's own person and property, but even I'd rather not use poison for that if simple physical violence is sufficient. Especially if you consider that said poison might have had somehow random and unreliable effects, depending on how it was stored and prepared.
4dac86 No.500112
>>497510
Capacitors are much more of a problem.
With batteries there are variants - fuel cells, etc. And they don't matter that much for anything vehicle-mounted.
But there's no way around the pulse power part.
5c26d4 No.500115
>>497543
A poisoned bolt is more effective at incapacitating an enemy than a regular one, and the poisons used weren't going to be aerosols or something that could spread without directly ingesting it or rubbing it onto an open wound. And regardless of whether it's an enemy soldier or an assassin sent by a rival family, they're both out to kill you and you need to defend yourself as well as you can. Might as well argue that because hollowpoints inflict more tissue damage and shrapnel on enemies and normal bullets can stop a thief anyways, and the military doesn't use them, anyone who uses HPs are "soulless things […] that would genocide themselves."
9ff818 No.500117
>>500112
There is though. Faraday motors. It's basically a conductive flywheel sandwitched between permanent magnets (can be attached directly to the flywheel to contribute to its momentum). The defining feature of this design is ability to quickly dump absolute fuckloads of direct current with hardly any internal resistance, and ability to store very large amounts of energy for its weight.
6f8edc No.501844
>>484395
that mag looks so shitty in there
6f8edc No.501845
fa7022 No.501853
>>482790
>>483572
>>484199
These pistols don't have a thermal clip.
613675 No.502106
I remember when someone on /k/ called me stupid for saying we'll eventually do away with iron sights in exchange for a digital HUD.
c9368f No.502120
b46eab No.506829
>>497543
>>500115
All solutions are mostly limited to their niches.
Historically, weapons that were poisoned as SOP were:
A) Blowguns and tiny bows (for use in dense forest), because they're too weak to do much on their own. Poisons have to be fast-acting (paralytic neurotoxins or cardiotoxins), because otherwise they'd be useless.
B) Decent ranged weapons, because this makes a glancing wound a mission kill, and there's time for it to kick in. Poisons are usually are chosen not too strong (often haemotoxins of vipers), in part because storage is more important, in part because there's always place for "oops!".
Used to be popular vs. boars (even Heracles wasn't above this) - they are hard to kill and can mess you up even when already closer to dead than alive.
Of the famous cases, John II Komnenos was knocked onto his quiver (on a boar hunt), survived the poison, but died of necrosis and/or sepsis later, Temujin caught a poisoned arrow in the neck (in a war), but was given first aid by his pal and recovered.
Poisoned close combat weapons were rare, because it's impractical - either useless (other than satisfaction that you took the other guy with you), dangerous to the user, ridden with logistical problems, or all 3.
37e56a No.506835
P90's concept were pretty futuristic for the 80s
a9ed3d No.508869
>>506835
That second pic. Why does it make me so hard?
39149b No.508878
>>508869
Because it looks like a gun that a Mr. Rogers lookalike would get from the hardware store during the 60s to fight the commies in a parallel universe version of the USA.
a9ed3d No.509026
>>508878
>Mr Rogers lookalike
I'm assuming that's a reference Burgers will get?
Other than that it's a beautiful piece of engineering, and just impractical enough to make me jealous and hard.
b46eab No.513120
>>500117
That's true. But there are downsides to having more moving parts.
Those motors usually are placed at some distance from the rest of equipment, so that whatever was powered by the pulse is already done by the time vibrations reach something that should not be moved.
Also, an extra gyroscope.
This adds limitations, too.
7d7076 No.513252
Saw these at a gun show this weekend. Took a pic of the table, but while the AR has a nifty aesthetic with that thing mounted on top (rangefinder?), the really cool bit was the integrally suppressed pistol in the lower right. Looks like a dominator from Psycho-pass.
>>482790
>Deus Ex pistol
There's no way for bullets in the mag to reach the receiver.
fb2dae No.513435
>>513252
integrated suppressors seem to be coming into vogue. Interesting considering they were invented like 40 years ago
ae1fd4 No.518547
As far as sci-fi/futuristic looking guns go, I like some of the weapons from Armored Core, at least the ones in 4. Wouldn't be surprised if making actual weapons based off them end up having all sorts of flaws.
09161a No.518595
Calico is the Future.
The Future is Calico.
707d1d No.518700
>>483683
I like it, but wouldn't atmosphere still disperse the laser that creates the ionised air? then you'd just have a bunch of patches of it and the electricity kinda goes everywhere (I'm no scientist, just going off of shit i'm learning from this thread)
5eaf94 No.521040
>>518700
I don't remember how far it got, but I know there was an experiment or at least an idea for a hypersonic high-altitude plane that skipped over the atmosphere while lasing a target on the surface, which cause the plasma sheathe its friction produced to channel down the ionized path, effectively provoking and aiming a lightning strike.
52939e No.521041
i cant help but love this stupid weapon
1ad259 No.521113
>>483555
>ex-military gril
Into the trash it goes
5cbdfa No.521124
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1ad259 No.521128
>>521041
>Grenade launcher with rifle attachment
This is the MX1 or something right? I remember it from Gohst Recon 2 for Original Xbox
580e48 No.521135
>>521128
XM25, the final devolution of the grenade launcher, and the best argument for rifle grenades.
Seriously, this and a Canuck planted in me the terrible seeds of rifle grenade autism.
c6a4a7 No.521137
>>518595
Calico was always destined to be the future of the past, it is meant for dank retrofuturism and not actually being futuristic. Still wish production would start back up again but the AWB really burned them.
1ad259 No.521152
>>521135
>pic
God damn WWI Germany was advanced: under barrel grenade launchers, quick detach slings, machine pistols.
>XM25, the final devolution of the grenade launcher, and the best argument for rifle grenades
I mean a normal under barrel grenade launcher works too but why do that when you can make an underbarrel AR for your grenade launcher.
017e23 No.529326
Crysis 3 SCAR because looks badass
MX Rifle Series from ArmA 3 because caseless 6.5 mm Ammo