/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>>44922

Some like her, some don't. Muslims aren't a monolith. There are Republican Muslims, Democrat Muslims, conservative Muslims, liberal Muslims, right-wing, left-wing, etc etc. Muslims in America tend to be fiscally conservative while socially liberal, though some of the more orthodox believe women should not be elected to office at all.

Rep. Omar is socially leftist and fiscally liberal, what folks call a "Progressive". She is popular within a certain demographic, but has no global appeal.

>>44923

I mean I didn't think they were a monolith, but I mean, do they like realize they want to put mandated transgender bathrooms in elementery schools, etc.?

>>44922

>Muslim

>First woman to wear hijab on the House floor

>Elected twice (not even Trump could do that!)

I'd say we're ok with her and she'll be re-elected this year.

>>44924

>they want to put mandated transgender bathrooms in elementery schools

No, they don't. That is nowhere in the DNC platform and not a single school district in the State of MN has even been presented with such a rule. Stop watching South Park.

>>44924

>mandated transgender bathrooms

You realize you're on /islam/, right? We're not christo-nationalist Qtards. We actually know how to read and are educated. Coming here with false information isn't going to help you.

>>44925

>>44926

>>44927

It was hyperbole.

I'm just trying to understand if Muslim's have any idea what the Democrat party is about or if it's just a simple tribalism thing.

I'm completely in good faith here, I haven't insulted Islam or her or even accused her of being a fake Muslim, I genuinely want to know.

>>44928

I've honestly studied Islam related things for like 10 hours or so. It's not long, but it's 10 hours more than the average American. I moved to Minneapolis 3 years ago and there are just a ton of Muslims here so I started researching it. And I tell people, a lot of people don't even realize how Islam got started, they think Muhammad must've been some conquerer like whoever, but I tell them it was mainly just about fighting pagan idol worship in Mecca and other places, which is a goal most Christians and Jews would support.

>>44928

>any idea what the Democrat party is about

Yes. We can read.

>>44929

>for like 10 hours or so

Well, that's nice. I've studied it for 25 years and practiced Islam for 18 years. However, length of study in Islam doesn't mean much when it comes to political affiliation. Democrats don't have anything anti-Islam in their policies or platform. Republicans are very anti-Islam and their policies and platform reflects that. Given the choice ….

>a goal most Christians and Jews would support

Also nice, but not necessary. We don't need their support.

She's a kafir and voting is shirk so no I don't care for her. Democrats are anti-Islam and Republicans are anti-Muslim.

>>45113

>She's a kafir

You don't know that.

>voting is shirk

Nice to see the Russian disinfo shills continue to do it for free.

>>45117

>Nice to see the Russian disinfo shills continue to do it for free.

anyone who disagrees with me is a Russian shill. Libtard detected.

>>45120

>anyone who disagrees with me is a Libtard

Ya played y'self, son.

Voting is not shirk and nobody here will believe you, Vlad. But, hey, go hop IP and try to create false consensus. We can smell a (1) like a fart in a car.

>>45121

People have been saying voting is shirk long before Russia was an issue. You are delusional to think that everyone that disagrees with you is an "evil Russian ooooh"

>>45122

>another (1)

>People have been saying

And they're wrong. Cope.

>>45124

>I have to post (1) because I am permabanned

>Admitting to ban evasion

Damn, you wreck yourself on the regular, don't you? Why don't you just leave instead of putting on a fake mustache and trying to get back in the club?

>>45126

I was unjustly banned for speaking about that which shall not be named. Why don't I just leave? Because occasionally someone might come here seeking real Islamic advice. It is better they get it from me than from the likes of you liberal, modernist types.

>>45127

If you think we were intended to live like a person in the 6th century, why do you poop in a toilet and use the internet? You're a hypocrite and you don't belong here. You're probably not even remotely Muslim, just a disinfo agent trying to take down the oldest Islamic IB on the internet.

>>45128

>trying to take down the oldest Islamic IB on the internet.

By saying that people have the right to believe that voting is shirk? I don't even agree with the position, but I do not accuse them of being a Russian disinfo shill for saying it. You are the one that has the problem. We belong here just as much as you do, if not more since all you can do is argue with insults and logical fallacies.

>>45130

I'm not going to use logic to argue against a person who makes a claim, doesn't back up that claim, and merely whines about having to ban evade on a board with a BO who has literally only handed out 2 permabans since the board began. It means whatever that idiot got banned for, he deserved it and I won't bother giving him oxygen.

>>45131

You're not going to use logic to argue with someone who says that you called that man a Russian shill without any reason to do so. I back up that claim with your own postings. You are unable to use logic, because you are unable to. You can only insult and use logical fallacies.

Funny that only 2 permabans have been handed out when child porn is regularly posted here. You think there would be more than that. If it is true, then speaking of that which cannot be spoken of is worse than child pornography to the BO.

You already are giving me oxygen, because you always have to get in the last word.

>>45132

No, I'm not going to argue with someone who claims "voting is shirk" without any evidence to back it up.

>child porn is regularly posted here

You mean those links that show up on every board on this site? That's a bot, dude. Bots don't whine about bans. They just hop IP and fire up the bot again.

It's nice how you admit you're no better than a CP bot, though.

>>45133

>>45132

Imagine picking a fight in the Islamic 8kun board

>>45144

>believes /islam/ is /pol/ for Muslims

You must be new here. Your use of "libtard" says more about you than anything you could possibly contribute. Lurk more.

>>45160

Why are you on this board?

>>45161

Why are you such a I actually agree with everything you say and I know that only truly free societies embrace Communism, but I'm scared of what image board culture will think of me, so I use a pejorative buzzword instead?

>>45164

Apparently the BO is a libterd as well.

>>45164

Ok, that is a pretty funny word filter.

>>45165

lol triggered

>>45165

Yep.

>>45166

>that is a pretty funny word filter

Thanks!

>>44922

Democracy is not our system, we believe the highest good to be tawhid (monotheism, worship of Allah alone) and thw greatest evil to be shirk (polytheism, idolatry), and Allah is a legislator who gave us His Shari'ah to apply as the law, therefore, legislators other than Him cannot be obeyed without falling into shirk, which expells someone from Islam and makes them a non-Muslim apostate, those who participate in this, be they voters who elect legislators other than Allah, or legislators themselves, have expelled themselves outside of the fold of Islam. I personally hope she leaves this system and becomes Muslim again in sha' Allah.

>>45171

Shariah is man's interpretation of divine decree. Allah gave us Qur'an. Men gave us shariah. Do not conflate the two.

>>45179

Shariah is ever-changing, so how can it be from Allah? Why do non-Muslims keep coming here?

>>45180

Why are you assuming that guy is not a Muslim?

>>45181

Because he is a takfiri liberal. Liberals are supposed to be open to all ideas, but anyone who disagrees with him is automatically a non-Muslim. As for the "Men gave us Sharia" part

Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, PBUH, said, “I have left you with two matters which will never lead you astray, as long as you hold to them: the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of his Prophet.”

>>45180

>Shariah is ever-changing

Only to modernists.

>>45181

When someone screams in your face that they're not Muslim, believe them.

>>45182

>Only to modernists

Explain, then, how new Shariah/fatwahs have been made about, oh let's say, driving a car or using the internet. Shariah evolves, idiot. It's man made.

>>45182

Sunnah != Shariah

If you were Muslim, you'd know this.

>>45185

Why is your first move always to call the person you are arguing with a non-Muslim?

>>45185

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "If a man says to his brother, O Kafir (disbeliever)!' Then surely one of them is such (i.e., a Kafir). "

Judging by how often you do this, what does that make you?

>>45188

>can't answer a simple question about Islam

If someone says they're a plumber, but can't identify a pipe; do you still believe them to be a plumber?

>>45189

That doesn't mean what you think it means. If someone proves they're not Muslim, and I point it out, then the one of us who is not Muslim is them. That hadith is not a get out of jail free card to never be called out for pretending to be Muslim.

Now, hop IP and pretend to be someone else but you'll still be the same kafir I keep calling out.

>>45190

Sigh….

I don't think getting "Sunnah" and "Shariah" mixed up makes somebody a fake Muslim. I think we should keep in mind that a lot of us on /islam/ are reverts, and Islam is a religion with a learning curve and people make mistakes. Islam is perfect, people are not.

>>45190

>>45190

Whoever performs Salat, and pays the alms-tax, and professes Tawhid and avoids Shirk is a Muslim. Accidentally using a wrong word is not Kufr.

>>45191

The guy I'm talking to has been on this board for years, always hopping IP, and always reveals himself. He's the guy pissed off that he's not allowed to call for the death of Trans people and the BO banned him for trying to turn every thread into an "I hate Trans" thread.

He's not a Muslim and never has been. We should be allowed to call out infiltrators, fakers, and those seeking to divide us.

>>45193

I never once called for the "death of Trans people" and everyone that has been on this board for years knows it. I never tried to turn every thread into an I hate Trans thread. I simply pointed out that a lot of Trans people regret undergoing the operation in threads where it was being talked about already.

>He's not a Muslim and never has been.

You are a liar and I hope you get everything that is coming to you.

EDIT: Discuss Islam and Muslim issues or leave. If you want to whine and cry about me, then create your own board.

>>45164

Communism could never exist in an Islamic society. Communists are the antithesis of Islam. They forcefully educate people to be atheists and forbid the teaching of religion to ones's children. They are responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people. The Prophet PBUH put private property and free trade above all else, even when people were starving, he refused to introduce price fixes.

The people said: Messenger of Allah , prices have shot up, so fix prices for us. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Allah is the one Who fixes prices, Who withholds, gives lavishly and provides, and I hope that when I meet Allah, none of you will have any claim on me for an injustice regarding blood or property. (Kitab Al-Ijarah 1296)

His economics were closer to that of Ayn Rand, rather than Karl Marx. With the exception of the issue of charity. Rand forbade charity, while the Prophet PBUH vehemently encouraged it. Communism is legalized theft of life and property, and has no place in Islam.

>>45204

>And let not those who [greedily] withhold what Allah has given them of His bounty ever think that it is better for them. Rather, it is worse for them. Their necks will be encircled by what they withheld on the Day of Resurrection. And to Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth. And Allah, with what you do, is [fully] Acquainted.

3:180

look at you stanning for "free market" economic colonialism that has driven the mass-murder of Muslim people for over half a century.

>>45205

Slavery and the murder of Muslims has nothing to do with free market economics. Did you know that the Prophet PBUH did not impose any taxes? Besides zakat of course, but other than that, there were no taxes as Ayn Rand proposed.

As for economic colonialism, I think you are conflating the issue with imperialism. Buying and selling goods free from government interventions has nothing to do with this. Businesses should be able to operate free from burdensome, inane regulations. That is when they are not endangering the environment or other people, as was also the Prophet PBUH's way.

True capitalism has never been tried except in the early Muslim caliphate. As for the past half a century, it has been crony capitalism. Government picks winners and losers and exploits and destroys the environment for personal gain. Our entire economy is based on usury. It isn't unreasonable to propose a no-tax free market economy, it is a sunnah.

>>45207

>Did you know that the Prophet PBUH did not impose any taxes? Besides zakat of course,

And Jizya.

>Businesses should be able to operate free from burdensome, inane regulations. That is when they are not endangering the environment or other people

uuuhhh unregulated "free market" capitalism is ALWAYS harmful to the environment and to colonized people. Why do you think those regulations were written in the first place?

>"Those aren't real capitalists! True capitalism has never been attempted! :^)"

You've been consuming too much western propaganda, friend.

P.S. 🤬 Ayn Rand. I spit on her corpse.

>>45208

Inane regulations like saying that children cannot operate a lemonade stand without a business license. Or the overly cumbersome registrations and taxes imposed on just about everything, from land to vehicles to income. But I suppose you have never operated a business yourself? Do you know how hard it is and the amount of effort you have to put into wasteful regulations? And the regulators themselves are all crooked, looking for any way they can screw you over as a form of job security. But big business can get away with their misdeeds because they paid off the politicians. That is the way it works with democracy. Who do you think writes the environmental and other regulations? The big business contributors of course. And they can get away with all the destruction and pollution they want, but if you spill a 5 gallon bucket of oil the government will be on your *ss so fast your head will spin. You will have to pay for proper cleanup and a hefty fine. While a pipeline company can spill a million barrels of oil into a river and not have anything happen to them. Democracy and Capitalism do not work together. It could be said that Democracy doesn't work at all. Ayn Rand was a b*tch, but she made a few good points. Free market capitalism was tried, during the early Muslim Caliphate. People who pay jizya do not have to pay zakat.

>>45209

>children cannot operate a lemonade stand without a business licens

Where the heck do you live that does that?!

>>45210

It has happened in several major US cities.

>>45212

Ah, ok, so it's more for the parents than the kids. The parents would be responsible for teaching their children to sell lemonaid that is safe to drink and the vendor license is part of that guarantee.

I suppose it makes sense. After all, your parents teach you how to do pretty much everything and you rarely know the background stuff. It's a little misleading, though. Parents have to set up utilities in order to teach their children to bathe, but nobody would ever say, "Children cannot be clean unless they set up an account with Water and Sewerage Board".

>>45213

There are stacks of books of new regulations passed every year. Even if you ask the people making them, "How could anyone follow all of these?" they respond with "I don't know. There probably is something as inane as "children are only clean and can go to school when." It wouldn't be surprising.

As soon as you get government involved with something it starts to fail. Like laws created by the FDA. Kids cannot operate a lemonade stand without the proper paperwork, but there is an acceptable amount of rat feces that you can eat in your cornmeal.

And they are corrupt and incompetent. Like when they were going to build a building in Afghanistan, all the contractors subcontracted it out and took some of the money. By the time they were done something like 50 million dollars had been spent on one wooden beam. The rest fell to government leeches. Things like this don't happen in private industry. .

>>45214

Granted, it can get excessive; but there does have to be regulations. I mean, we're commanded to not eat pork, right? That's a regulation on what we eat.

>>45216

God's legislation is different from the things liberals pass and do.

>>45217

So, a liberal passing a law that says you can't put powdered pork in lemonade and sell it outside of Mosques, you'd be angry because a liberal did it? Your anger is misguided. Conservatives want us to be Christian or dead. Liberals wants us to thrive and freely practice Islam.

>>45218

I'm talking from a strictly economic point of view. Both sides are of the same coin, democracy is unislamic and doesn't work. Nice strawman by the way.

>>45219

Yeah yeah … "voting is shirk" blah blah blah. Hey, did you know that in order for there to be a caliphate, there has to be a caliph? You know how a caliph becomes caliph? People declare their allegiance to him! You know what that is?

VOTING

Now go forth and sin no more.

>>45220

There was no such thing as voting in the Rashidun caliphate. The closest thing was when 6 men were appointed to decide who the Khalifa was going to be among those 6 men. Those 6 got to vote, no one else. Uthman was chosen. I never said "voting is shirk". I said democracy doesn't work and is uniIsamic.

>>44922

Muslims that know of her policy and views dislike her. She does not represent the Islamic view and panders to the non muslims.

from her foreign policy to women's issue to the LGB views. vids of her dancing with drag queen. Disgusting.

Not compatible. Anyone that says otherwise is uneducated on her activities

>>45215

working in restaurants made me realize how i should never eat at such disgusting horrid places haha one of my places of employment we literally threw dirty silverware into a water bucket for hours before give it to the disher

>>45185

I've been on this website 15 minutes. too many liberals already XD

>>45345

Islam disregards politics. Rightists, Leftists, Conservatives, Liberals … all meaningless to Islam.