/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>>44499

As long as you're not having sex, it's fine.

If you want to marry her in the short term, then you can court her and help arrange a meeting with your and her parents.

If you are doing this for some frivolous romantic intimacy like most Westerners do, then it is haraam even if you don’t have sex.

Also, you absolutely must listen to the more pious women around you, so you’ll be wiser.

>>44499

it is absolutely haram, brother. You cannot have a girlfriend unless you are really marrying her and that should happen in weeks..

>>44503

who is that yassir al qadi ? literally dating is wrong and unislamic, however if you are trying to engage a girl, make sure that her father knows, get to talk to her in her parents house, unless she is your fiance you cannot take her anywhere.

>>44592

There is nothing prohibiting men and women from hanging out together.

>dating

Define "dating".

>>44593

leave islam you troll, you are either a degenerate with no jealousy or just a troll.

>>44594

Don't tell people to leave Islam. :/

>>44596

It's ok. It's all he can do. I expect after I replied to them with this >>44593, they went frantically searching google for any mention in Qur'an or Hadith that a man and woman cannot be friends, found nothing (because there is nothing), and ran crying and twitching and sweating back here to scream "troll" and "degenerate" at me as his "proof" of righteousness.

>>44593

A man and a woman "hanging", and their third is the Shaytan>>44597

>>44599

>source: deeeeep within my anus

>>44600

Ibn 'Umar narrated: " 'Umar delivered a Khutbah to us at Al-Jabiyah. He said: 'O you people! Indeed I have stood among you as the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) stood among us, and he said: "I order you (to stick to) my Companions, then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then lying will spread until a man will take an oath when no oath was sought from him, and a witness will testify when his testimony was not sought. Behold! A man is not alone with a woman but the third of them is Ash-Shaitan. Adhere to the Jama'ah, beware of separation, for indeed Ash-Shaitan is with one, and he is further away from two. Whoever wants the best place in Paradise, then let him stick to the Jama'ah. Whoever rejoices with his good deeds and grieves over his evil deeds, then that is the believer among you.'"

>>44600

It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”

Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045, that this hadeeth is saheeh.

>>44602

>>44603

You keep talking about touching and intimacy and all that. Can you seriously not be friends with a woman without getting all pervy and creepy? That sounds like a YOU problem and you're just using it as an excuse to keep our sisters in isolation until marriage. I bet your smooth incel brain also thinks you're owed a wife, too.

If there's no sex, there is no sin. "Dating" just means "hanging out with", not "banging", you pervert.

>>44604

You either miscomprehended the quotes or you didn’t read them at all.

>>44604

These hadiths were not about zina or anything sexual.

>>44607

>doesn't know what it means when a 6th Century person talks about "touching a woman".

Opinion disregarded. Learn context or perish.

>>44611

The hadith was explicitly relating to literal touching. Not sexual touching. There are many hadiths about actual sexual relations, this isn't one of them. Context is clear, it was about shaking a hand of a woman.

See here: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/21183/shaking-hands-with-a-non-mahram-woman

Also, referring to the Prophet PBUH as a "6th Century person" is rude and borderline blasphemous.

>>44613

I'll remember not to shake my female friends's hand, then, while we're at the movies or enjoying a meal together.

>>44614

Yes.

>>44604

having a girlfriend will obviously make it easier for you to look at the body parts of a woman, no?

dumb ahlul zina

>It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has decreed for every son of Adam his share of zina, which he will inevitably commit. The zina of the eyes is looking, the zina of the tongue is speaking, one may wish and desire, and the private parts confirm that or deny it.”

>Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5889; Muslim, 2657.

also anything that leads to zina is forbidden

>“And come not near to unlawful sex. Verily, it is a Faahishah (i.e. anything that transgresses its limits: a great sin, and an evil way that leads one to hell unless Allaah Forgives him)” - [al-Isra’ 17:32]

having a girlfriend will obviously lead to zina, no?

dumb ahlul zina

>>44662

Having the internet makes it easier for you to look at the body parts of a woman. If you don't immediately shut off your internet and throw away your computer, you're a hypocrite.

>>44664

You think we should also ban all books because some people write love scenes in them?

>>44665

No, but >>44662 does.

>>44666

No he does not. Don’t be disingenuous, you will only show your ignorance.

When you use the internet, you can actually AVOID pornography. Yeah, what a shock, there are people who DON’T look up porn on the internet! Not to mention that the internet can be used for positive intentions, like increasing your knowledge—especially in the Quran and Sunnah.

Having what westerners call a girlfriend, with whom you choose stay alone and interact on a daily basis, will result in Satan accompanying you both and sending whispers that would push you to zina.

>>44667

>When you use the internet, you can actually AVOID pornography.

And when you're hanging out with your female friend, you can actually AVOID having sex with her! Amazing, I know … boggles the mind.

>>44667

>Satan accompanying you both and sending whispers that would push you to zina.

It's nobody's fault but your own that you're a weak little beta.

>>44670

The chances of you fornicating will substantially increase when you go out with your girlfriend. You get too comfortable with touching each other (she is a non-mahram!!!) and then you start to kiss and so forth.

At least the internet has benefits which can potentially help your imaan. Having a girlfriend does not have such benefits.

>weak little beta

It will be the person’s fault for letting Satan be beside him while with his girlfriend. This has nothing to do with being an alpha or beta (which is a totally fabricated concept btw), Satan’s whispers can affect ANYONE.

Do us Muslims a favor and stop arguing against Allah’s commands and warnings.

>>44671

>The chances of you fornicating will substantially increase when you go out with your girlfriend.

The chances of you seeing porn will substantially increase when you use the internet.

>>44672

I must repeat, the internet is a TOOL that can be used for halal and haraam purposes (like hardware tools or knives), whereas having a girlfriend is blatant fitnah. It’s obvious your comparison is weak, Mr. Fiqh-man. What benefit does a girlfriend bring? Does it do anything other than satisfy your worldly desires?

>>44673

>Does it do anything other than satisfy your worldly desires?

Yeah. A lot. If you didn't hate and want to subjugate women, then you'd realize what amazing, capable, intelligent, and wonderful people women can be.

>>44674

At what point did I say women had no such qualities? You are straw manning.

The reason why men and women can’t free-mix is because Satan takes advantage of such an opportunity. This applies to BOTH sexes, Satan is indiscriminate with his whispers.

Besides, any smart Muslim woman would agree that having a fleeting romantic partnership (boyfriend/girlfriend) is haraam. They would certainly be more knowledgeable than your ignorant self.

>>44676

>At what point did I say women had no such qualities?

The fact that you clearly want to keep women in their homes, away from society, until they get married and then want them to stay in their homes, away from society, proves you hate women. Literally 1/2 of Allah's creation and you hate it and want to hide it.

>Satan takes advantage of such an opportunity

If you're a grown ass man still afraid of Satan's whispers, then your deen is weak, your mind is weak, your body is weak. Who is the stronger? The one who resists or the one who hides?

>having a fleeting romantic partnership (boyfriend/girlfriend) is haraam

Well, never mind. You're a literal child. "Girlfriend" is not a romantic term once you're outside of junior high. I said, very clearly:

>>44593

>There is nothing prohibiting men and women from hanging out together.

YOU can't think of that without thinking about dipping your peen in vageen. Stop blaming that on women. It's YOUR fault, you rapey asshole.

>>44677

Once again, you are arguing with a straw man. Women shouldn’t be “kept in their homes”, walking around the general public is not free mixing. Not to mention, they are allowed to talk to men if there is a necessity, and vice versa.

>your deen is weak

You are denying the ruling of the fuqaha with your personal opinions and you are saying I am the impious one? Laughable.

>Girlfriend is not a romantic term

You are confusing “female platonic friend” with “girlfriend”, the latter of which is a romantic term and what this topic is about. Don’t degenerate this into a semantics game.

>stop blaming it on women

I only “blame” Satan, not women. Even then, Satan is essential to our test by Allah in this dunya, so there is no reason to whine about him.

People who spread misinformation, on the other hand…

PS: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/103418/warning-against-having-girlfriends

Can’t argue against authentic ahadith.

>>44678

"Girlfriend" is not a romantic term when you're a grownup. I'm sorry you're so anti-friend, but that's a you problem.

Also, a WARNING is not a LAW. If you can't keep your peen out of the vageen, then YOU need to stay away from women. I can control my urges and Satan fears me, so I have lots of women friends.

>>44679

I have friends who are male. This is the third time you have straw-manned my argument.

>Warning is not law

Yes it is! The Prophet SAW declared that free-mixing is haraam! Read the article and its sources (ahadith), instead to resorting to arrogant claptrap. Jazak Allahu Khairan.

>>44681

>Read the article

The article and its given interpretations are wrong. Just because something confirms your bias doesn't mean it's the truth.

>>44681

Also, learn what "straw man" means. You're using it way wrong.

>>44683

A straw man is an intentional misrepresentation of an argument to make it easier to beat. You called me a woman hater and anti-friend, despite my argument not being based in either sentiment, and I called you out for doing such mental gymnastics.

You’ve already lost.

>>44682

Also, show me your degree in Islamic Studies and other clergy certifications, and then I might take your claim that the consensus of the ulema is incorrect seriously. Laymen don’t have a right to be contrarians in these matters.

>>44685

>>44684

You do realize your entire argument is an appeal to authority fallacy, right? Your one article confirming your bias is meaningless. There is literally nothing in Islam against a man and woman being friends.

Zina is haram, friendship is not. You're declaring haram that which is not haram. You've already lost.

>>44686

If you feel a bad ache in your chest, do you go to the doctor who is qualified to treat your illness or do you only try to heal it yourself?

The scholars are not trusted because of arbitrary reasons, they’re trusted because the have studied dozens of religious texts and have gained enough wisdom to issue fatwas. If all laymen were smart enough to know what is the correct way to live as a Muslim, we wouldn’t need scholars in the first place. Unfortunately, laymen are more likely to make decisions based on their arrogance and desires than wisdom, which is why the ulema issues fatwas to set things straight for us. The fact that there is a consensus among scholars on the impermissibility of gender free-mixing should be a major indication that it is a big no-no. Repeating your arguments won’t change a thing.

>>44686

It's not about friendship, it's about dating. Also the less you come in contact with non-maharems the better. Stop trying to justify your lifestyle and your choices as the "correct" Islamic way. If you are so adamnt about disregarding hadiths and quran to pursue whatever you pursue, then so be it, but do not dare to lessen the importance of the words of Allah and the Prophet PBUH.

>>44696

>it's about dating

Go pick up a girlfriend, go to a movie, go out to eat, have some nice conversation, take her back home. You've just had a date. You're 'dating'. Where's the zina? You didn't even have to place one single finger on her.

>the less you come in contact with non-maharems the better

Spoken like a true beta incel rapist who can't control his primal urges when he sees a titty.

>>44699

The teachings of the Prophet PBUH are beta incel and rapist teachings?

>>44700

No, but he never said that a man and woman couldn't be together in social situations. He merely warned that if you're a beta incel rapist (LIKE YOU), then you shouldn't do it because you're too weak to control yourself and would end up sinning.

>>44701

All you can do is call people names and manipulate hadiths to try to justify your argument. Why are men and women separated in the Mosque? Why is it that women clap when the Imam does something wrong and men say Subhanallah? Is it not because it is better that women are not even seen or heard by the men? Arraigned marriages are part of Islam, dating is not. This is the consensus among all of the reputable scholars. Following them does not make you a beta incel rapist. You can have conversations with your possible spouse inside her parents home, under their supervision. It isn't about being able to resist the opportunity to sin, it is about removing all chances of it being able to happen. Even the Prophet PBUH himself acted restrained when dealing with the opposite sex.

>>44703

>Why are men and women separated in the Mosque?

>in the Mosque

>a restaurant is the Mosque

Seriously, are any of you actually Muslim or are you just pretending to be Muslim as based on /pol/-level stereotypes?

>>44704

You really like to accuse anyone that disagrees with you of being a non-Muslim. I won't say the same to you, I will just say that you are disgraceful. You also completely ignored the rest of my post, choosing to single out and misrepresent one small part. That is a strawman..>>44683

>>44706

When one obvious and glaring error can be found, the rest of the argument need not be considered. I'm done with this conversation. You've proven that you're willing to twist and manipulate Islam to suit your special snowflake needs, which means you're not Muslim. This board is for Muslims, not for you.

>>44708

Nah, this board is not for arrogant Takfiris like you. Making such weak accusations makes YOU the kafir, so repent and reform yourself.

>>44708

The obvious and glaring error is that you are saying that the consensus among almost all of the scholars is wrong (excluding a very small fraction of a percentage). You're arguments are nothing more than strawmen, insults, and calling the other person a non-Muslim. I don't even know how to respond to such a person, besides telling you to repent and to reform your actions.

If you have a boyfriend/girlfriend you are going against the Sunnah of the Prophet PBUH. That is an obvious fact. You need to face this fact, and deal with it.

>I'm done with this conversation

because you have no argument besides saying that it is okay to date and have haram relationships based on your say-so and nothing else.