/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>>43746

>is masturbation really Haram ?

No. It is generally discouraged, but you're permitted to touch any part of your body you want. You're even allowed to have naughty thoughts (Islam does not have thought crimes). Just don't watch porn. There is literally no scientifically or medically proven harm to masturbation and there is nothing about it at all in Qur'an.

>inb4 wahabbist runs in screaming about how the pee-pee is sacred and when you touch it, saints cry

He will have no evidence. Ignore him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_masturbation

>>43747

>>43746

If Masturbation has no benefit or pain, why do it at all? it is a horribly thoughtless action that reduces you to the state of an animal for 1-3 minutes and you feel nothing but WORSE afterwards, there is a reason the meme "post nut clarity" garnered such attention, because of the clarity after doing such an action is so great it induces deep regret and turmoil in oneself after doing it. If you say "Well it doesn't hurt me, nor does it benefit me", then why do it at all? it is thoughtless and pointless to do. I recommend you read a book called the "easy peasy method", it is a great text and combined with Islamic principles and motivations you can CHOOSE to never masturbate again. Nofap and willpower is a horrible method that will consistently lead to relapse. You need to undo the brainwashing power that p9rnography has had over you. BTW if you say that you masturbate without P, why? There is no such thing as having "too much sexual tension" in oneself or "blue balls", it's all mental gymnastics built up like layers in your brain that you use to justify a relapse or animalistic rubbing session of your privates. Peace and I hope you make some inquiry into the "easy peasy method" and combine it's help with the month of Ramadan to finally quit this thoughtless and baseless action. Reminder: There is no benefit to masturbation, you gain neither happiness nor pleasure from it, so why do it at all? From Islamic POV or Secular, it is a stupid thing to do.

>>43748

And, yet, it's still not haram, WHICH IS WHAT OP ASKED!!!

Nobody cares about your feely feels. Masturbation is not haram and if you don't like that, take it up with God. I'm sure God will just love to hear all about how you'd run things better.

Masturbation is, at best, makrooh. You must diminish your urges as much as you can.

I suggest occupying yourself with something that does not involve a computer screen and reading the Qur'an a bit more.

>>43748

> you feel nothing but WORSE afterwards, there is a reason the meme "post nut clarity" garnered such attention, because of the clarity after doing such an action is so great it induces deep regret and turmoil in oneself after doing it.

Wow, sucks to be you I guess? I've never had that problem. :P

The only real downside to masturbation is it nullifies wudhu.

>>43752

But what about ghusl janabat brother ?

>>43749

>>43752

Why do you get so angry about someone giving someone else advice about not masturbating? Is not masturbating that abhorrent to you? Do you need everyone else to masturbate for you to be happy?

>>43759

People spreading false information should make you mad.

>>43747

>Source for Islamic ruling: Wikipedia

Bro the evidence for masturbation not being haram is very weak. See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQR-GkqECo&ab_channel=MasjidRibat

Masturbation is haram

>>43762

>source for Islamic ruling: YouTube

Ya played yaself, son.

>>43757

I'm a sister. Though you are correct, ghusl janabat is required after the expulsion of semen. That was my mistake.

>>43763

>Only primary sources are credible

>>43762

Shaykh Uthman is wrong and declaring haram that which is not haram is haram. This video is not an Islamic ruling, it is Shaykh Uthman's ruling. He has no authority over me.

>>43748

You brought up the easy peasy method. I read the book, I dug up information about the horrors of the p9rn industry, I tried limiting my screen time, installing parental control software and getting closer to my religion (that's why I'm here) but still find myself wanting to watch p9rn regularly, EVEN DURING RAMADAN. I know that it's extremely sinful since I'm watching people commit zinah and other haraam things but I don't know how I can stop myself. Not even the fact that I have to do ghusl every time was able to stop me. Please give me advice from an Islamic point of view.

>>43746

Somebody really needs to make a "no fap general thread" for this board. Then maybe we don't get so many threads asking more or less the same thing, and porn addiction seems to be a common enough problem to worth addressing specifically.

>>43775

Masturbation isn't haram, so it's a non-issue. The only people who feel guilt over it are recent converts from Christianity. Anyone who was born into a Muslim family or who has been Muslim long enough knows that it isn't that huge of a deal to rub your own body part. And it's not a porn issue because people were masturbating centuries before porn existed.

The "nofap" movement is a lie started by people who want you to be ashamed of Allah's creation.

>>43776

Maybe it isn't haram, but it can still be harmful in excess. Also, pornography addiction is a huge problem for many people, so I think it bears discussion.

>>43771

Salam, i'm the guy you replied to, i'm glad you read the book and that you have done your research, I understand your apprehensions and the fact you keep relapsing in spite of the information you have acquired, unlike the other people who replied to me who insist masturbation is ok/not haram/doesn't bother them, do not listen to them. Keep fighting, it IS a life long struggle like MANY other temptations in life (lying, stealing, cheating, etc) I advise you to seek marriage, this is what I, Allah swt willing, hope to do myself, I also encourage everyone else who has replied to me or does this act to also seek marriage, please do not justify in any sense, imagination, at all, the disgusting and pointless and meaningless act of masturbation, always always revile it and despise it. Never stop repenting, repent, make ghusl, pray, repeat every day. I want to talk to you personally more brother so if you have a dscord or other means of communication we could chat there properly, salam and peace to all you guys during this month of ramadan, I hope we all can grow from our struggles and fight against our passions and seek not to justify them to ourselves or our brothers.

>>43777

Everything is harmful in excess, but if you're fapping 12 times a day, then your problem isn't masturbation. It's addiction. You need help from a therapist or doctor, not from 8kun.

>>43746

Find yourself a girlfriend, do Nikah

>>43781

I fap once every 1-2 weeks but it's still sinful. Islam told us to marry if we can't control our sexual urges, and if we can't afford to marry we should fast. He didn't say go masturbate which is only temporary relief and not a solution to the problem.

>>43781

My day was already bad and your comment on how porn isn't bad was the final push required to break my 5-day streak. This isn't the only thread where misinformation is spread when discussing a subject of doubt in Islam, I think I'll just stop visiting this place.

>>43820

>comment on how porn isn't bad

Nobody said porn wasn't bad.

>>43819

Islam also doesn't teach us to scratch our arm when it itches, but that doesn't make doing so haram.

>>43763

>a video of a learned shaykh who presents the the evidence and proofs, presents the authenticity in the narrations mentioned, provides authentic narrations that supports his point

vs.

>a general free editable online encyclopedia that cites orientalists for its claims

>>43767

you're right, this isn't an Islamic ruling. This video is not an Islamic ruling, he's not issuing a fatwa, he's refuting someone who made the claim that masturbation is not haram and refuted the evidence that person presented.

This is an Islamic ruling: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/329/ruling-on-masturbation-and-how-to-cure-the-problem

If you want to follow your own desires, thats your choice that you will have to answer to Allah (SWT) for. Otherwise, look at the opinions of scholars, the evidence they bring, and the authenticity of those evidence, to come to a conclusion.

>>43776

see >>43762

>>43752

>>43764

>never had post nut clarity

>im a sister

thats why, this phenomenon is almost exclusively in men, very rare in women

This thread has people actively pushing PMO or non-pmo masturbation, that is abhorrent and disgusting especially during this month of Ramadan, what is wrong with you people who are doing this? And what is up with this "women" (Either a schizophrenic gender dysphoric freak or a troll?)_ that is actively counter signaling and pushing this destructive action onto people? YOU CAN QUIT AND NEVER BE A USER AGAIN, I highly recommend the EasyPeasy method, a free book online you can read that is different from your typical self help willpower no-fap jargon. PMO and your addiction are an illusion that can be shattered by understanding this and the book helps, not only that, your ISLAM will help you most when you incorporate the text into your daily Islam, Salam.

>>43851

>that is abhorrent and disgusting

Remember that Ibliss has been on earth for thousands of years and knows that he can trick us if he takes it easy. Today he will tell you that it's fine to masturbate, next year you will be watching porn because you can't afford to marry a real woman and the year after that you will be visiting prostitutes.

I'd recommend searching up Wael Ibrahim, he's an Islamic scholar specialized in curing our brothers and sisters from this grave sin.

Remember to ask Allah to help you break the chain of addiction and keep fighting against it even if it takes your entire life. Allah forgives those who seek forgiveness.

>>43851

Nobody here is going to buy your book. You're declaring haram that which is not haram and, for that, your Islam is nullified. Go away, kafr.

>>43857

First of all, the book is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International License meaning that it is and always will be freely available on the internet.

Second, would you be able to accept it if your daughter was getting banged by 5 other dudes on camera for the entire world to see?

Third, you're the one that needs to go away for declaring our brother kafir. Only Allah is to judge who is truly Muslim.

>>43858

>your daughter was getting banged by 5 other dudes

Keep your sick fantasies to yourself.

>Allah is to judge

Yeah, and Allah told us that people who declare haram that which is not haram are pretending to be Allah and we should cast them out. Masturbation is not haram no matter what your personal feely feels say. If you get butthurt over people touching their own body parts, then that's your problem. Don't bring Allah into your pathetic lies, kafr.

>>43859

>Allah(SWT) tells us anything other than your wives and female servants are unlawful intercourse.

>Prophet(SAW) tells us to marry young to stay chaste, and if we can't, to fast (not to jerk off)

>Personal feely feels

>>43862

Masturbation isn't intercourse.

>>43863

It's self rape actually.

What the brother means is Allah told us the only 2 ways to fulfil our sexual desire is wife or concubine.

>>43851

>Rule 16 of the Internet : There are no biological females on imageboards.

>>43878

>It's self rape

You can't masturbate without consent, thus it is not rape by any definition of the word.

>>43863

Are you seriously going to use semantics so that you can deny Allah's commands? Are you also going to say oral is halal with whoever you want because its not "intercourse".

Fine use whatever word you like, "illegal sexual acts". Allah (SWT) worded it better than I did in the Quran. Translation:

<{And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts). Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, - for them, they are free from blame. But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors.} (23:5-7)

You think masturbating is ok, just because He didn't list every single degenerate act to ever exist?

>>43897

that's stupid. so what?

>>43891

>oral is halal with whoever you want

No, oral is only permissible with your wife, but oral literally requires another person. Masturbation does not. You can't masturbate with anyone you want, by definition, you can only masturbate with yourself.

>23:5-7

According to your personal interpretation of that, you're not even allowed to so much as LOOK at your OWN penis. Your interpretation is wrong and is not based in the reality of language (what you cry 'semantics' about) but rather in your own personal feelings because you are ashamed of your penis and project your shame onto Allah.

>just because He didn't list every single degenerate act

That's exactly how it works. Qur'an is very, very clear and simple. If God doesn't explicitly prohibit it, then it is permissible.

>>43900

>but oral literally requires another person

where does it say that this ruling is only talking about acts that occur with other people?

>you're not even allowed to so much as LOOK at your OWN penis.

Where did you get that from?

>but rather in your own personal feelings

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/329/ruling-on-masturbation-and-how-to-cure-the-problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQR-GkqECo&ab_channel=MasjidRibat

You haven't posted a shred of evidence or scholarly opinion, rather you've just been swinging ad hominems.

>Qur'an is very, very clear and simple.

It IS, its clearly stated, anything other than your wife or female servant is haram.

>If God doesn't explicitly prohibit it, then it is permissible.

I think this does it, it clearly shows you're either misguided or ignorant, or both. Theres PLENTY that we could mention thats haram even though Allah hasn't explicitly mentioned them. This is a very dangerous and slippery slope.

>>43905

>You haven't posted a shred of evidence or scholarly opinion

Not necessary. You're claiming water is dry. I don't have to provide evidence that water is wet when your wrongness is clear to everyone.

>>43906

>when your wrongness is clear to everyone

That is not true. I do not think he is wrong. I think you need to provide some evidence, since he provided evidence.

>>43908

>masturbation is haram!

>prove it

<cites a modern arab sheik and a misinterpreted verse from Qur'an

Until it's proven haram, I don't have to do anything. Only children counter non-arguments. When you argue that water is dry, there is no counter-argument. You want to believe it's haram, fine, but if you tell others it is haram, then you are spreading falsehoods.

>>43909

Hold up, so you're rejecting evidence based on the personality putting forth the evidence, and not the evidence itself? Sheikh Uthmaan isn't even Arab, lmaoo. The IslamQA link mentions Imam Shafi. You're just claiming its a misinterpretation without provide any evidence.

May Allah guide you bro.

>>43885

What makes you think your hand consents? You know the hand will be a witness against you on the day of resurrection.

>>43916

I lol'd

>>43916

the muscles in your hand are innervated by nerves connected to your brain, which ultimately decides if you are going to masturbate.

the hands are not autonomous until Allah wills them to testify your sins.

>>43936

Indeed, you are free to abuse your body during your life, but you will be held accountable.