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e2a03b No.43617

How to find and convert a non-Muslim woman to marry?

Looking for genuine advice. Basically I don't see myself happily marrying born Muslim women, due to cultural attitudes of the vast majority of Muslim cultures they come from. Theres almost always high standards (non deen related), like needing high status, high income, high mahr, needing to be fluent with their culture, all the while ignoring the aspects of piety and even where its not uncommon for some to outright reject you for being too religious. On top of that theres the issue of racism in many of these Muslim cultures, where they won't accept you if you're a different race, unless you're "marrying down" the racial hierarchy, usually meaning if you're lighter skin than them, and even then thats not always the case.

It just seems much easier to find a respectable non Muslim woman and show her the way to Islam, and then marry her. Its not about a fetish for non Muslim women for me, and I don't want to marry a Christian or Jewish woman, she has to revert to Islam.

So I need some advice on how to go about doing this.

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19a57f No.43621

>>43617

A Muslim woman SHOULD expect high standards because Muslim men SHOULD be of the highest quality. If you are not, then you do not deserve a muslima until you become worthy of one.

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e2a03b No.43623

>>43621

Show me hadith where it says this, that a woman should expect high standards when it comes to worldly matters from a husband, high mahr, and forego their standards for piety and religion? Show me where it says that a man should only get married once he's established himself amongst all these standards?

In reality we find the opposite, our Prophet (SAW) urging us to marry young and early, and examples of people marrying when they had nothing.

>Narrated `Abdullah:

We were with the Prophet (ﷺ) while we were young and had no wealth. So Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power."

Sahih al-Bukhari 5066

>Sahl ibn Sa’d reported: I was among people with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, as a woman stood up and she said, “O Messenger of Allah, she has given herself in marriage to you, so what is your answer?” The Prophet did not reply. She stood up again and she said, “O Messenger of Allah, she has given herself to you, so what is your answer.” The Prophet again did not reply. She stood up a third time and she said, “She has given herself in marriage to you, so what is your answer?” A man stood up and he said, “O Messenger of Allah, marry her to me.” The Prophet said, “Do you have anything as a dowry?” He said no. The Prophet said, “Go find something, even an iron ring.” The man went and searched, then he came back and he said, “I could not find anything, not even an iron ring.” The Prophet said, “Have you learned anything from the Quran?” He said, “Yes, I know some chapters.” The Prophet said, “Go, for I have married you both with what you have learned from the Quran.”

Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4854

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e2a03b No.43624

>>43621

>>43623

Also

>Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman (otherwise) you will be a losers.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5090

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19a57f No.43625

>>43623

Being a good man != having money, you dip. Learn some values instead of counting your money.

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19a57f No.43626

>>43624

So marry the religious woman instead of trying to convert some rando thot. We're not woman hating incels here. Take that garbage to /pnd/. If you can't find a good woman, it's YOUR fault, not women's.

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1e3128 No.43628

What's the ideal age to get married? I'm 18 and have struggled to control my sexual energy for the past 3 years until I succeeded in quitting permanently a few weeks ago al-hamdulli'lah. I know that you don't just marry a girl because she's cute and that there comes serious responsibility with it but I don't see why I would delay it until it's too late (which happens frequently these days due to studies/job). About 30% of people my age already have a relationship so why can't I as long as I'm officially married?

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545260 No.43630

>>43628

What board do you people think you're on? Seriously. Did /r9k/ break and send all the incels here?

Masturbation isn't haram, first of all. It's discouraged, but it isn't a sin. We're not Christians. Second, there is no "ideal age" for marriage and there is no "too late". You go to the mosque and talk to the brothers. If you're a good man and a good Muslim, someone will introduce you to their sister or cousin or whatever, and you'll get married.

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b6368a No.43631

>>43630

>Masturbation isn't haram

What sexual behaviors are haram or not?

I have extremely detailed fantasies in my head about women fainting in front of me and getting to lift their unconscious bodies off the ground. Would it be a sin to act out these fantasies with my Muslim wive(s) in a safe environment?

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c1b4e8 No.43632

>>43631

>What sexual behaviors are haram or not?

You are to avoid group sex, anal sex, penetrative sex during menstruation, and sex outside of marriage. Otherwise, all bets are off. Whatever you and your wife enjoy is halal.

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e2a03b No.43633

>>43625

>Being a good man != having money

THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING, but thats what a lot if not most women and their families in Muslim cultures think, thats why its so hard to get married to born Muslims. Its not a secret that Muslims today are having a hard time getting married, and why a lot are instead going into haram, look up the Muslim spinster crisis.

>>43626

This is a cultural issue, doesn't matter if they're religious or not, its really hard to find a pious woman that has these standards. You're implying im an incel yet you're saying all non religious women are thots? I just want a pious wife.

>>43630

>>43628

>Masturbation isn't haram, first of all. It's discouraged, but it isn't a sin.

Masturbation IS HARAM, the evidence that its just discouraged is very weak, I encourage you to educate yourself on the matter.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/329/ruling-on-masturbation-and-how-to-cure-the-problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQR-GkqECo&ab_channel=MasjidRibat

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c33430 No.43634

Islam is pretty much the complete opposite of modern western culture, as such it would be extremely difficult to find someone to convert as all of the rules and entire ideology would be extremely strange and foreign to them.

I mean, you might have a shot with a Jewish or Christian woman, but otherwise it's more likely that you're going to be the one converted.

I remember talking about Islam with a few of my female classmates, back when I was still in university, just the basics, why I converted, and with the emphasis on the "easy" positive aspects of Islam. The best I ever got was a "Oh, that's interesting."

I truly don't understand why you'd think this would be easier than marrying a Muslim woman, because if you enter the Islamic community, and you're not a total loser, you shouldn't have a problem finding someone.

But of course, this is just my experience as a white man in Europe, might be different for you. Culture differences as you pointed out, and all that. Might just be that the Muslims in Europe are less focused on cash, and more on personality.

Lastly, what is up with all the dating threads on this board all of the sudden?

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c1b4e8 No.43638

>>43633

If you think women are a monolith, then you've already failed. Be better.

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c1b4e8 No.43645

>>43641

OP can't even get one and you think he could get two?

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15f943 No.43646

>>43645

Easy. Marry her best friend.

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61bffe No.43647

>>43617

Nobody is born Muslim, smooth brain. Muslim is not an ethnicity.

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9e92e3 No.43651

>>43647

>Nobody is born Muslim

False. We have sharia evidence which prove that everyone is born muslim. YOU were born muslim.

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c9b3cb No.43981

>>43617

>its not uncommon for some to outright reject you for being too religious

Islam has always been about being as religious as you can, just because it's not uncommon doesn't mean it's okay

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85d3ab No.44656

>>43651

innate Tawhid does not equate knowledge and acceptance of the Qur'an, at some point everyone makes the decision to either not read out of ignorance, or to accept or deny islam, this is where muslims differ from kuffar and jahils

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7fb1f7 No.45324

>>43647

NTA but although you may be right about a nuance existing between being born on the Fitra and being a Muslim, it is clear that OP meant to be born in a muslim family/country. You're free to disagree with anything he says but insulting him is unislamic of you, let's try to keep these discussions as cordial as Islam teaches if you please.

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