e8088d No.43573
White man here. If I convert, am I allowed to date qt Arab and East Asian women, or is there still a weird racial hang-up that will cause me problems?
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c0ccdd No.43574
>>43573
>date
No
>marry
Yes
There is no "racial hang-up" in Islam. We do not worship skin color or nationality.
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173f9a No.43579
>>43574
>We don't worship skin color or nationality
Aren't Arabs supposed to be a superior race according to the Quran? OP marrying Arab women would be haram if he's not an Arab. Just look how hard it is for a non-Arabs to be citizens in Saudi Arabia. I don't think they can even legally marry Arab women.
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bfa3c1 No.43580
>>43579
>Aren't Arabs supposed to be a superior race according to the Quran?
Nope.
"And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge." [30:22]
"All humans are descended from Adam and Eve. There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness." Muhammad (pbuh) in his Last Sermon, Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.
You might also want to consider that Arabs are <15% of the world's Muslims. Arabs don't define Islam. You might find a Muslim who drinks alcohol or watches porn, but does that mean Islam says such things are good? Nope! Always consider the source.
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42003a No.43581
>>43580
Maybe, but Islam can still be considered Arab supremacist in the same way Christianity is European supremacist. It originated with the Arabs, and its practice is mostly heavily influenced by Arab culture. In addition, most Arab empires enforced a strict caste system, prohibiting people of 'lower' castes from intermarrying with people of 'upper' castes. This is also the reason they castrated their black slaves from Africa.
>Arabs <15% of the world's Muslims
Englishmen are a very small proportion of the world's population, and yet English is the most widely spoken language in the world. Japanese comprise a very small proportion of East Asia's population, and yet they were able to impose their rule over that region during the early twentieth century. You don't have to be the numerical majority to be the dominant political or cultural force. Just look at pre-Apartheid South Africa.
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bfa3c1 No.43582
>>43581
>Islam can still be considered Arab supremacist
No, it really can't. Both Qur'an and Hadith prove it is not nationalist in any way. Anyone who interprets it as such is wrong and should be corrected loudly and often. Yes, it did originate in the Arab peninsula, but it was made very clear from the beginning - in the lifetime of the Prophet - that beginning there does not mean "chosen" or "special". There is no supremacy in Islam except through piety, not through nation or skin.
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95b880 No.43588
>>43573
What's wrong with Christianity?
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866c1e No.43589
>>43588
>worshiping a man
>claiming he rose from the dead
>ceremonially eating flesh
Gee, yeah … what's wrong with that … zombie cannibal cults are totally acceptable.
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c6842e No.43591
>>43588
If you want to be misguided and not follow God's religion, then nothing.
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08cfcb No.43614
>>43581
>most Arab empires enforced a strict caste system, prohibiting people of 'lower' castes from intermarrying with people of 'upper' castes. This is also the reason they castrated their black slaves from Africa.
Bring the sharia evidence for where Islam promotes this or says that its ok
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4b8548 No.43643
>>43642
>nonsense
Bring sharia evidence or don't reply.
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35c668 No.43644
>>43642
Nationalism and Racism are specifically mentioned in Islam as being wrong, haram, sinful, against God. "Well, people do it anyway." isn't an argument for Islam condoning these things. Your argument comes down to this: The law says it's a crime to steal, but people steal anyway, so stealing isn't against the law.
It makes no damn sense.
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c7927f No.43984
OP is probably white supremacist christian
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50c67d No.44000
>>43573
>If I convert, am I allowed to date-
If you want to convert, at least do so with a strong conviction
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e482d8 No.44025
>>43581
>Christianity is European supremacist
What are you talking about? Christianity started in the Levant as a Jewish cult. Europeans weren't involved at all except in the sense that there was sort of a weak and not very respected Roman presence in the region at the time. Today, Europeans make up only 26% of all Christians, with 25% living in Latin America and the Caribbean, 24% living in Sub-Saharan Africa, and 13% living in Asia and the Pacific. 12% live in North America, but white Christians are only roughly 43% of the US population, and of that, many are cultural Christians who barely even believe at all. Black Christians are by far the most religiously observant group among American Christians, and black Americans are more likely to identify as Christian than white Americans. That's not even mentioning that Ethiopia was one of the first nations in history to make Christianity its official state religion, even before Rome (Armenia was the first, but while it's geographically Asian, Armenians tend to align themselves more with Europe than with Asia). So, Christianity is hardly European in nature.
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e482d8 No.44026
>>43984
I can't speak for everyone here, but I feel like many people on here started out that way, myself included. It's a phase. Hopefully, Allah will soften his heart and open his eyes once he's accepted the truth.
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a2335f No.44028
In Islam, people are divided according to the degree of righteousness
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5a3e63 No.44036
not being racist is impossible though
i'll judge people individually but i'll judge groups too, why wouldn't I?
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345c89 No.44037
>>44036
>not sinning is impossible so I'm just gonna sin
>why wouldn't I?
Gee …
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c6a5e4 No.44043
>>44025
>worships a white dude
>>44036
that's not racist, just statistics, racism is when you consider them of lesser value
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c6a5e4 No.44044
>>43984
>>44000
Why are you guys so hostile?
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50c67d No.44047
>>44044
I was giving a crucial piece of advice. If you are converting to Islam, you should *practice* the faith and take it seriously.
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5e0c08 No.44049
>>43573
>https://www.al-islam.org/islam-and-nationalism-ali-mohammed-naqvi/part-eight-basis-nationalism
I don't even know why this is a thread, this is like asking whether you should pray after coverting. It is so extremely obvious that I wonder whether you have even read the Qur'an.
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3a1d1a No.44086
>>43573
If you convert because you want a beautiful pious wife then you have converted seeking the blessings of Allah.
Racism is not allowed in Islam, but some Arab cultures don't like marrying outside their race and view it as dishonorable.
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3a1d1a No.44087
>>44026
>>44047
>>44049
>>44000
>>43984
Don't turn someone away from Islam because you have personal dislike for the blessing they seek from it.
If he even dips his toe into Islam it means he worships only Allah and that's bigger than the moon and the sun.
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603006 No.44148
>>44086
>racism is not allowed is Islam
>some Arab cultures don't like marrying outside their race and view it as dishonorable
Are these Arabs committing a sin by assigning a 'dishonorable' status to interracial relationships? If not, then its not sinful for, say, a white man not to want to marry a black women either.
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be0cce No.44260
>>44148
I think if a person simply isn't attracted to a specific race they're not obliged to marry that race.
Concerning mixed race marriage- it seems too general a topic to make a statement about. Generally though, racism is a thing of ignorance and is disliked.
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be0cce No.44261
>>44148
Mostly seems like a matter of when dismissing people on a case-by-case basis becomes a wide generalization for or against a race.
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910a71 No.44270
>>44260
The misnomer is "race". It implies that there are delineations between human "races". We are all the same race.
Now, if you're not attracted to darker skin, fine. If you're not enamored by blue eyes, fine. But when you start thinking of people with different skin as being a different species, then there's a problem.
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b713ec No.44276
>>44270
We're forgiven for our ugly thoughts, our ugly deeds are what count against us.
If you perceive arabs as ungrateful for the religion it doesn't matter if you don't call out arabs in the masjid or something.
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594192 No.44299
>>43588
that's his choice you shouldn't question it just mind your business
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4dd530 No.44343
>>43573
There is no problem, unless the conflicting cultures will cause a clash between the united families.
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cf2385 No.44347
INTERRACIAL? I HARDLY KNOW ERRACIAL!
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1bee0d No.44393
>>43573
White convert here. Theoretically it shouldn't be a problem, but there is a lot of racism in the Islamic community. Most fathers I know have problems with their daughters marrying converts and want their daughters to marry inside their own culture. This is especially the case for Turkish people, Levantine people (Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians). Maghrebis are a bit more tolerant but still very closed. Black Muslims are unironically chill and dont mind their daughters marrying converts.
If you really want to date, and not marry, an Arab qt I'd advise you to date/marry an Arab christian girl. Since youre not Muslim and Arab christians are a lot chiller in this interracial regard than Arab Muslims. You'll also have alot less of cultural conflict.
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2d01f1 No.44394
>>44393
>encourage a kafir as a wife
>encourage dating
you're a kafir pretending to be a muslim, right?
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2d01f1 No.44395
>>44276
thinking that there are more than one God is not kufr is that what you're saying?
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910a71 No.44398
>>44395
Wondering about it - ie. thinking about it - is not a sin. We do not have thought crimes in Islam. Everybody doubts. Everybody questions.
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045887 No.44399
>>44394
Takfir is against board rules, anon…
Like, check yourself. You can use constructive criticism and tell a brother that he should make more of an effort to live islamically, you can do that without dropping the K-bomb which is basically just fighting words.
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