/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

Hi, I fixed the controversial part - I understand I have chosen strong words and let my emotions take control of me. It is with great passion I hate degeneracy (something I'm sure we all share here) to which I count pedophilia.

>>42334

>when everyone keeps to their own culture

You need to cleanse the /pol/ from your mind before you go calling yourself Christian. All your talk of "subhuman IQ" and thinly veiled "white countries for white people" is antithetical to both Christianity and Islam, both of which recognizes the inherent dignity in ALL people.

If you have a legitimate question, then ask it.

>>42334

>Why should Christians and Muslims hate each other?

They shouldn't.

>are the Muslims in Europe doing gang rapes and grooming children doing it because of Islamic culture or is it something about their specific countries

That's a very pointed question, so I'll take it in parts:

>are the Muslims in Europe doing gang rapes and grooming children

No, they're not.

>because of Islamic culture or is it something about their specific countries

Islam does not condone pedophilia any more than Christianity does. I suppose there are different laws in different countries, but when a Muslim goes to a foreign country, he is commanded to follow the laws of that country provided they don't overturn Islamic law. For example, a Muslim who goes to a country where alcohol is mandatory (hypothetical), then the Muslim cannot follow that law.

>Is the ultimate goal of Islam to spread all over the world

Of course! Why wouldn't it be?

>when everyone keeps to their own culture

I don't even know what that means. Are you assuming that all Muslims come from the same culture or nation?

>>42336

Thanks for the answer. I feel life doesn't end with the Bible written such a long time ago, so I have my own opinions beyond it. What gives one the right to call himself Christian/Muslim? Surely we can't blindly and literally follow everything that has been said and written.

It is interesting you focus on the /pol/ buzzwords I admitely used and not on anything else I have written. Do you feel like the rest of my post is not worth discussing? As is said in the pinned thread, attack the argument, not the poster.

>>42337

Thanks for the answer.

>No, they're not.

Can you elaborate? Do you feel the groom gangs are not true Muslim (similar to how I would say pedo priests are not Christians)?

>Of course! Why wouldn't it be?

You only responded to the first half of my question, I also asked if the goal is to be the only allowed religion, because it seems to me diversity is good.

>I don't even know what that means. Are you assuming that all Muslims come from the same culture or nation?

I think Muslims are all part of a 1 shared cultural group, other groups can be Christian, Jewish, Polish, Armenian, Asian … but that wasn't really a question.

I am quite sad you are (both) focusing on the "pol bogeyman" with almost a paranoia. Please cleanse your mind from this hostility to people outside your group. Last time I visited pol was more than 5 years ago.

What do you think about the american degeneracy spreading? Honestly that was the focus of my post.

The immigrants "raping" are just over-assimilated, to the point where they've taken over the bad stuff of the culture of the host/new country. Rape and pedophilia is the national past time of christian royalty, upper class, and middle class(eg sex tourism). We know about british royalty. We know about hollywood. We know about your politicians. And we know about your religion's degenerate rituals like cannibalizm and glorification of murder and death.

It’s not a coincidence that all these 🤬ed up sexual pride movements originate from the christian world. Nor is it a coincidence that everyone from the same place consider murder to be the solution to every problem. You need a dictionary for all the satanic perversions you've conjured up:

LGBT

FURRYISM

BRONYISM

BESTIALITY BROTHELS

PEDOPHILE RINGS AND ISLANDS BY THE UPPER CLASS AND ROYALTY

PEDOPHILE SEX TOURISM BY THE MIDDLE CLASS

CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

MGTOW

INCEL COMMUNITY

INCEL MASS-MURDERERS

INCEST PORN

GAY PORN

SCAT PORN

ETC.

>>42338

>attack the argument, not the poster

When the argument is full of /pol/ garbage, what do you expect would happen? You don't walk into someone's house and say, "Why are you such a horrible piece of filth?" and expect to be given coffee and a nice sit down. It also says:

>Outsiders are welcome, but must be respectful.

and

>It is a place for Muslims to gather and discuss Islam and not intended as a place where Muslims must defend themselves or their religion from outsiders.

>I think Muslims are all part of a 1 shared cultural group

I see. So, even though I'm American and my family is primarily Dutch as far back as anyone has ever been able to trace, I share a culture with someone who grew up on a remote farm in India or the Philippines? Why? Because we pray the same?

>What do you think about the american degeneracy spreading?

I'm completely indifferent to it. If people want to act American, so be it. It doesn't affect me one tiny bit. It's no different than someone liking a movie or book I don't like. Nobody is forcing me to read that book and I don't force them to stop reading it. That's it. Anything else is fascism and Islam is literally antifa.

>>42334

>Why should Christians and Muslims hate each other? The way I see it, we stand for the same thing ultimately - no degeneracy, no American TV shows indoctrinating our children, no loose morals, but strong integrity and ethics. Do you agree, or is this more of a moralist view?

It's not about morality, it's about faith

doesn't matter whether you share the same morality with us, if you don't accept Muhammad SAW as a prophet or not refraining from believing that Jesus AS is God then we would still hate you.

>it is Jesus who taught me to take the higher road and forgive my enemies, because there is no difficulty in being kind to your friends. Again I am sure the Quran must bring similar wisdom

Unlike Christianity where you are taught to love your enemies, in Islam your faith is not considered perfect until you hate the non-believers.

We have no obligation to love you, and it's not forbidden to hate you in fact we're encouraged to hate you, so our hatred towards you is justified.

You on the other hand have the obligation to love us, so stop hating us if you consider yourself the follower of Jesus AS.

>>42352

christians have consistently proven themselves to be the most hateful and deceptive people on earth. the ”love your enemies” line is meant to deceive you and lull you into a false sense of security.

The true meaning is supposed to be hidden to non-christians. ”Enemies” actually refers to satan and his army of devils, as they are the enemies of God and mankind. So christians are saying ”love satan” among themselves, while most uninitiated, those not familiar with the true nature of their death cult, will misunderstand it.

>>42352

We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. [21:107]

I don't know where you're getting your information, but we are not obligated to hate anyone.

Hatred is counterproductive to discussion. We are open to polite discussion & debate here.

In islam there is no insulting other religions even pagans, except those who insult us.

>And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. 6:108

And we have to discuss niceley with the people of the book :

>And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." 29:46

>are the Muslims in Europe doing gang rapes and grooming children doing it because of Islamic culture or is it something about their specific countries

This is not allowed in islam they are doing a crime, even if some islamophobes claim it is taking slaves, it's not because taking slaves can only be done after conquest of a region. We are aware it's some gangs that use tactics to groom girls, which counts as fornication. Usually people who do this also drink and do drugs, they are not practicing muslims. If they were, they would get a wife instead of being sexually frustrated.

>Is the ultimate goal of Islam to spread all over the world and be the only allowed religion?

Yes, as with any religion/ideology. We want what's best for all mankind, which is islam.

BUT this does not mean we won't tolerate the kitabi religions such as christians and jews under a dhimmah contract where you practice your laws under the shade of shariah.

No pagans or atheists tho

>The way I see it, we stand for the same thing ultimately - no degeneracy, no American TV shows indoctrinating our children, no loose morals, but strong integrity and ethics. Do you agree, or is this more of a moralist view?

I agree partly, we stand for basically 90% the same things, other than our difference in how we view Allah. But in terms of the worldly life, we can both benefit from an islamic system.

>>42334 (OP)

>are the Muslims in Europe doing gang rapes and grooming children doing it because of Islamic culture or is it something about their specific countries

This is more so a sociopolitical issue. These are immigrants that are coming from bottom up run societies, where theres social cohesion, a collectivist objective, neighbors care about each other, look out for one another, can easily figure out when somethings wrong, theres more preventative social measures to stop such immoral actions, and then the community can easily condemn and ostracize criminals. These criminals would've done it in Muslim societies too, but they're not able to because of the society, and if they were caught would've gotten capital/corporal punishment.

When they come to western societies its totally different, these are top down run surveillance societies, where the people in the communities have different ideals and senses of moralities to each other, the focus is on individualism, people don't really care about each other, people rarely know who their neighbors are. So whenever there is lack of surveillance and authority, people act on their desires, we saw this in the recent US riots. So these rapists they would prey on kids who come from dysfunctional backgrounds, who are neglected by their communities, there is no social pressure here that would deter these criminals, until they're found out by authorities. If you look at a lot of these cases, in order to get justice the victims or even councilors would have to go through the whole bureaucratic processes of bringing it into police attention, and it still didn't work.

>Is the ultimate goal of Islam to spread all over the world and be the only allowed religion?

Thats pretty much the case with majority of religions and ideologies. Western secularism is NOT a neutral position. No matter what there is always going to be a clash of ideals.

Though in Islam its forbidden to force someone to convert. Under an Islamic state, non Muslim communities like Christians and Jews, would get their own courts and laws to follow (to a certain extent), like Christians would be able to drink alcohol or eat pork, even though this would be illegal for Muslims.

Ultimately the goal is to guide people to the truth, but its up to them whether they want to accept it.

>>42355

I sure do love having a Islamist lecture me on Christianity. Cringe tripfag.

>>42429

Where do you think you are?

>tripfag

Do you even know what that means?

>>42429

>calling an anonymous poster a tripfag

super cringe.

Why come here if you don't want to hear Islamists lecture you on things? Are 🤬ed?

>Why should Christians and Muslims hate each other?

No, we shouldn't.

>The way I see it, we stand for the same thing ultimately - no degeneracy, no American TV shows indoctrinating our children, no loose morals, but strong integrity and ethics. Do you agree, or is this more of a moralist view?

I do not completely agree.

Those things you listed are all rather vague (degeneracy, indoctrination, etc), and I feel that while I might have an idea of what you're talking about, it would be unfair to say "I agree".

We Muslims worship God, and that's it. God does not allow things that are bad for us, and as such we are not allowed to do a lot of the things you're probably implying, but the reason for us not doing them is mainly because God wants us to.

>I think we can agree on american culture being the cancer that seeks to spread all over the world and destroy it (I wouldn't call it "western" really, because it all comes from the US). We can also probably agree that many sects of Christianity are cancerous and should be cleansed (same probably goes for many Islamic sects).

I do not think American culture is cancer. American culture at it's core wants to free people and allow them to be the author of their own lives. This is also a reason the BO here is a American Muslim, because the society in which he lives allowed him to research on his own and find his way without opressing him.

Sadly, American culture is made by men, and thus not perfect, but it's far from the worst system we've created.

I do not know much about sects, so I won't answer.

>I would love to hear your views and opinions on these things. Hate brings only hate and never ending cycle of hate, it is Jesus who taught me to take the higher road and forgive my enemies, because there is no difficulty in being kind to your friends. Again I am sure the Quran must bring similar wisdom.

I would compare Islam to a beehive. A community working together and fighting back when attacked.

Another thing is; Why is your goal with this? Why try to reach out to the five to ten Muslims browsing this board? Do you want to build a bridge between the Christian part of this website and the Muslim part?

>Another thing I would like to hear your opinion on is - are the Muslims in Europe doing gang rapes and grooming children doing it because of Islamic culture or is it something about their specific countries (please note that this is not a bait - I am genuinely curious about your views of this matter, and I'm again sure we can all agree pedophiles and rapists are animals). Please don't answer this with "Christians do this too" - of course they do, I am aware of it, just curious of your opinion as I said before.

The "Muslims" doing the raping have probably never held a Qur'an in their life, as their actions are clearly opposed to it.

What your government did was take the worst people from all countries and dumped them into yours. Of course they're going to be doing such things, they're the bottom of the barrel. It's even stated in the Qur'an that we as Muslims should live together, do you really think a practicing Muslim would disobey God and move to a secular country?

Of course, such things might happen in war and such and a few rightious Muslims might have to, but the majority of the people moving to the west are doing it for the money.

>Is the ultimate goal of Islam to spread all over the world and be the only allowed religion? I am asking because from my point of view, diversity and experiencing other cultures is a happy thing (when everyone keeps to their own culture - but that is another matter entirely).

Yes, the end goal of God is for everybody to submit to him WILLINGLY. So the end goal of Islam is to spread to every country.

However, if you want to keep being Christian we will never force you to become Muslim, as it's against our religion.

>Thanks, have a nice day.

Thanks, you too.