a4f674 No.42292 [Last50 Posts]
I have a music class assignment and I need Muslim assistance for it.
I have one question, is music haram? Why or why not?
There is no right or wrong answer here. I just need opinions form Muslims on this issue. Thanks in advance.
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13caa0 No.42293
>>42292
>is music haram?
Nope
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17f775 No.42294
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13caa0 No.42296
>>42294
>islamqa
wew lad
Also, nasheeds are not haram and nasheeds are music. You have no argument.
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bf01e2 No.42301
>>42292
Any kind of music using instruments is haram. The ruling https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/ruling-on-music-singing-and-dancing here is the standard Sunni answer. People like >>42296 like to say that nasheeds are Music, but nasheeds do not have any instruments. There are a large number of Muslims who consider music not to be haram, and they use arguments like the above. But it is, in fact, haram.
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b3cb2d No.42309
Anyone who trashes islamqa without any reasoning is a confirmed idiot. Never listen to these sorts of people.
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13caa0 No.42311
>>42301
Goalpost Status: Moved
OP didn't ask about instruments. OP asked about music. Music is not haram.
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bf01e2 No.42312
>>42311
That isn't moving goalposts, that is what the Islamic ruling regarding music is. Musical insturments are used to make music, this is something that a child can understand, you on the other hand….The music is haram if it involves using instruments. You are fulfilling a prophecy from the Prophet PBUH about this time.
There will be (at some future time) people from my Ummah (community of Muslims) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine-drinking and the use of musical instruments. [Bukhari No: 5268]
What are your opinions of this hadith? Should it be discredited? Was the Prophet WRONG about it (not possible)?
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13caa0 No.42313
>>42312
If music is haram, then I guess I'm going to hell for humming in the shower. OP didn't ask about instruments. OP asked about music. Music is not haram no matter far you try to move the goalposts.
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bf01e2 No.42314
>>42313
Humming is not an instrument now is it?
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bf01e2 No.42315
>>42313
A basic Islamic concept that most if not all Muslims are aware of is that committing sins does not guarantee someone a spot in hell. Maybe you weren't aware of this.
>>42292 Also signing by males is allowed, but singing by females is not allowed. There is more detail in the link https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/ruling-on-music-singing-and-dancing
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5ab779 No.42316 
>>42313
Music in Islam means sound coming from musical instruments. humming and nasheeds are not music.
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13caa0 No.42317
>>42314
The voice is an instrument of sorts, but OP didn't ask about instruments.
>>42316
You don't get to redefine words to suit your personal narrative. There are musical instruments, yes, but man's oldest method of making music is by singing - done long before any instrument was ever invented.
Music is not haram.
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92e6df No.42318
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>If there aren't instruments, then it isn't music
you heard it here, ladies and gentlemen!
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fe5b5f No.42319
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13caa0 No.42320
>>42318
>>42319
You're just going to make them move the goalposts further …
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a4f674 No.42321
>>42315
>>42317
Just out of curiosity, and for argument sake, I'd like to ask an additional question.
Let's say you play the nay, and sing positively towards Allah..would that be considered haram solely based upon the use of the nay?
I'm asking in sincerity, not trying to be a jerk.
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13caa0 No.42322
>>42321
Apparently it depends on who you ask. Hopefully you've learned that we're not a hivemind.
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2f7049 No.42323
>>42319
The lyrics are haram, acapella isnt
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2f7049 No.42324
>>42321
yes because its an innovation, praising Allah does not make it halal, i could say drinking is wine as long as i praise Allah while doing it
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bf01e2 No.42325
>>42320
There are no goalposts. It is black and white. An instrument is something that is not the human voice. It is a physical creation that creates music, which is haram. It is amazing how you twist narratives and make things up to suit your desires. No wonder you show blatant disrespect for the Prophet PBUH and are in every thread arguing on the side of fitnah. Music is defined as using instruments, and it is haram.
Acapella isn't haram as long as it is men and not women doing the singing. The lyrics can be haram, depending on what they are saying.
>>42321
Singing praising Allah are some kind of nasheeds. You can find them fairly easily. That is what fitna boy >>42320 is trying to say is the same as music. There are only vocals and sounds made from the human voice. No physical instruments are used, which is why they are allowed.
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bf01e2 No.42326
>>42321
Playing the nay would make it haram based solely upon the use of the nay. It doesn't matter what good you are doing, if you are doing it using haram items it is haram.
Lets say you sell a bunch of alcohol and then use the money to feed the poor. What you did would be considered haram because you sold alcohol. You fed the poor, which is a good deed, but the ends do not justify the means. The means are the end result.
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13caa0 No.42327
>>42325
> Music is defined as using instruments
Music: vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.
>vocal
Stop trying to change the definition of words to suit your personal narrative. You are guilty of innovation when you do that.
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fe438a No.42329
Music is a language. Here is an example of its written form. It is also a spoken form that can be mimicked using instruments such as horns or even electronic devices, but it is primarily a spoken language. No languages are haram because all languages are from Allah. David wrote the Psalms in the language of music and they are certainly not haram. Instrumentation or mimicking of the language of music is haram, but music itself is not.
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13caa0 No.42332
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bf01e2 No.42341
>>42327
The ISLAMIC definition of HARAM music is with instruments. Stop trying to apply kaffir definitions and practices to our deen.
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6c7db2 No.42342
Ignore bots copy-pasting hashwiQA.
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13caa0 No.42346
>>42341
"Music" is an ENGLISH word. You gonna claim the Prophet spoke English now?
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678ac1 No.42347
>>42296
Music for a certain purpose is allowed, i.e. for the sake of making Mujahideen more excited to fight the kufar in a war (which is what nasheed is), also music in a wedding is allowed.
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c1c1f7 No.42349
>>42347
Other than that it's not allowed.
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2c1bbd No.42351
>>42329
>>42332
>No languages are haram because all languages are from Allah
that's like saying fornication is not sinful since the man and woman are from (created by) Allah
also Allah made the concept of sin like giving us the ability to do sinful things, does that mean doing sinful thing is not sinful?
that's a dumb logic
>but it is primarily a spoken language
no it's not, since nobody talks using music
every sound that comes out of someone's mouth is not music, sometimes it's a song or a language or a word but never music
>David wrote the Psalms in the language of music and they are certainly not haram
>David
>Psalms
we don't take anything outside of the Quran and Sunnah to decide what is permissible or forbidden by Allah
if you're saying music is a language you have to bring a hadith that states that music is a language
your only chance at saying that music is permissible in Islam is by explaining to us the meaning of "Ma'azif" since The Prophet SAW used that term to refer to the supposed haram thing
>>42346
okay then, "music with instruments"
but technically is not wrong to call it music since "music with instruments" is a part of "music"
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13caa0 No.42357
>>42351
>doesn'tt acknowledge Daud and the Zabur
Spotted the kafir.
>"music with instruments" is a part of "music"
And "sex before marriage" is part of "sex", so is ALL sex suddenly haram?
OP asked about "music" with no qualifiers. Adding qualifiers moves the goalposts. Music is not haram.
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bf01e2 No.42359
>>42346
That is the meaning of what is haram. Whatever the word is for "music with instruments" in arabic, latin, greek, spanish….IT DOESN'T MATTER what language it is in. It is haram. You dispute this, and keep trying to sidestep the issue and misconstrue it.
>>42357
>And "sex before marriage" is part of "sex", so is ALL sex suddenly haram?
Those are two completely different things. Only sex before marriage is haram and only music using instuments is haram. Are you trolling? The things that you are saying are nonsense. You have to be doing it deliberately because it is hard to believe someone could be that stupid.
There are hadith in the IslamQA link that was provided. What do you think about these hadith? Was the Prophet wrong? Did he just not like musicical instruments so he said that other people couldn't use them? Are you saying that the Prophet needs to be corrected again?
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bf01e2 No.42360
>>42357
>Spotted the kafir.
You takfir more people than ISIS. It is like you are a modernist, liberal version of ISIS. You think that Islam in its original form needs to be reformed, and anyone that gets in your way or disagrees with you is a kaffir. You think that you know better than the Prophet PBUH, and you can be seen in every thread arguing on the side of falsehood and fitna. Over 90% of the discussion on this board is you giving people wrong answers to questions and people arguing with you.
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13caa0 No.42361
>>42359
No, the Prophet doesn't need to be corrected, but you do. "Music" is not the same as "sounds produced by instruments". You can make music using instruments, but there are people arguing in this thread that it can't be music if there are no instruments. The claim that nasheeds aren't music. The claim that singing in the shower isn't music. The claim that birds singing in the trees isn't music. All falsehoods being spread by YOU, not me.
Allah and the Prophets recognize the beauty and joy of music. You think you know better than Allah and the Prophets?
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6c7db2 No.42363
salafi: MUSIC IS HARAM
>hadith literally saying music is permitted
salafi: NO BUT THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THAT SUPER SPECIFIC INSTRUMENT AT THAT SUPER SPECIFIC TIME
>ok so how do people practice the instrument outside of super specific time?
salafi: UHHHHH….MUSIC IS HARAM
>other hadith literally saying singing is permitted
salafi: UHHHH ALSO SUPER SPECIFIC
>ok how do you practice singing?
salafi: UHHH….MUSIC IS HARAM
Same story for pretty much every salafi fatwa. At least they allow you to drink beer with 3% ABV, otherwise things could get real boring real fast.
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2f7049 No.42369
>>42363
t.low IQ
music is of two parts
>tune
>lyrics
if the lyrics are haram its haram
if the tune is by musical instruments its haram
you can cope how much you want but you have no daleel music is halal we have all the daleel its haram
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13caa0 No.42370
>>42369
"Lyrics" are not in the definition of "music". You have no argument. Cope.
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2f7049 No.42373
>>42370
some music contain lyrics
if its about drinking, s*x, drugs then obviously haram…. no matter how you twist it
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b3cb2d No.42375
Lol at the guy saying music isn't haram.
There will be (at some future time) people from my Ummah (community of Muslims) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine-drinking and the use of musical instruments. [Bukhari No: 5268]
>"B-but musical instruments doesn't mean musical instruments because if we sing that's music according to kuffar definition of music so that means singing is haram because our voice is now a musical instrument so now speaking is haram too but that's ridiculous so music is not haram and I'm just going to ignore the hadith now also here are some apocryphal stories of prophets using musical instruments."
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b3cb2d No.42376
The music is haram argument is a good litmus test to see the honeat Muslims and the idiotic liberals.
>>42363
Which hadith
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b3cb2d No.42377
>>42359
Funny how he keeps ignoring the hadith and keeps making retarded equivalancies like with sex.
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eed244 No.42380
Looks like the answer is thus:
Music in and of itself is not haram; but some kinds of music are haram, such as music played using instruments or songs with explicit lyrics.
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b511f9 No.42381
>>42292
>The issue of listing to music is one that has differing opinions in Islamic law, it is not from matters of creed or those matters that are necessarily known from religion therefore it is not prudent for Muslims to castigate one another on such issues since one can only castigate issues that are agreed upon, not issues that have differing opinions. As there are jurists who have ruled that listening to music is permissible and they are jurists whom it is permissible to follow in their scholarship, it is therefore impermissible for one to criminalize Muslims who follow such an opinion. This is even more so as there is no single text proof that specifically outlaws music.
https://www.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=4866
Basically theres a difference of opinion, so look at the methodology for each opinion, and decide yourself which is the truth.
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b3cb2d No.42385
>>42381
<This is even more so as there is no single text proof that specifically outlaws music.
>There will be (at some future time) people from my Ummah (community of Muslims) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine-drinking and the use of musical instruments. [Bukhari No: 5268]
Atrange how they quote scholars like Ghazali and ibn Hazm but somehow forget this hadith in Bukhari. Really dishonest and misleading fatwa.
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13caa0 No.42386
>>42380
The only valid answer.
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2f7049 No.42387
>>42380
Good answer brother
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bf01e2 No.42392
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a51fe7 No.42769
>>42386
>>42385
Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem
All praise & worship is for Allah alone, & peace and blessings be upon His final messenger Muhammed.
>>42381
https://daruliftaa.com/miscellaneous/music-and-singing-a-detailed-article/
Here* is a more comprehensive article that covers the relevant tafsir, ahadeeth, and quotes of multiple scholars of different madhabs and periods. InshaAllah this will help to clarify this issue for all of us. May Allah make His prohibitions clear to us & may He grant us ease in avoiding what He dislikes.
(* This appears to be a sufi website btw, for those of you who do not prefer Islamqa)
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bf01e2 No.42798
>>42769
A Sufi website about prohibiting music, what could go wrong.
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a1ecef No.42959
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e73d1c No.44170
>>44156
Is the audio haram or the images?
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f3bccb No.44307
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9e48ac No.44375
>>42292
Depends. If the music is used for parties and things that lead to the wrong path, then it is. Just like the usage of alcohol. If it is used for medical purpose, then it's halal while it is not when you use it to get drunk.
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