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b7a076 No.41739

Hello guys I am an African Christian recently living in Turkey. I have met Islam here. Became friends with a few really cool Turkish Muslim guys. They've been guiding me to their culture and religion we also share a common history from the imperial age. There is even some cool theories come up with that we share an ancestral heritage. But in Islam history I found out with time that muslims are seriously prejudiced against black people. Most famous ones of them are:

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5d2da6 No.41743

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"In mention of the virtues ingrained in black people."

Ibn al-Jawzi, "Illuminating the Darkness : The Virtues of Blacks and Abyssinians"

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01b46b No.41744

>>41739

First off if you judge Islam by looking at what Muslims do, you're not going to get a proper picture of what Islam is, theres bad Muslims out there too that drink, do drugs, sleep around, kill people, etc., stuff that are immoral.

But I looked up Al-Jahiz (I can't read who the quote on the right is, its too small) about that quote, and someone wrote this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AAl-Jahiz#islamic_natural_selection?????

>'"Zanj" does not mean black, don't be ignorant. Their word for black was 'sudd', and is reflected in the name for the country Sudan, Bilad al-Sudan ("lands of the Blacks").. Zanj simply referred to an area in East Africa or Zanzibar and possibly its slaves.. After more research, I indeed believe that he was Zanj himself and that his criticism of them was merely satire.. He was mocking the silly views which were rampant at that time period.. The Zanj, as a way to keep unwanted meddlers away from their land, spread stories and rumors about themselves involving cannibalism, etc, in order to scare people away. Which didn't really work that well, but did to a certain extent.Taharqa 18:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)'

Furthermore I found that his grandfather was black, so it seems like he was part black. He's also quoted to have said this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jahiz

>Everybody agrees that there is no people on earth in whom generosity is as universally well developed as the Zanj. These people have a natural talent for dancing to the rhythm of the tambourine, without needing to learn it. There are no better singers anywhere in the world, no people more polished and eloquent, and no people less given to insulting language. No other nation can surpass them in bodily strength and physical toughness. One of them will lift huge blocks and carry heavy loads that would be beyond the strength of most Bedouins or members of other races. They are courageous, energetic, and generous, which are the virtues of nobility, and also good-tempered and with little propensity to evil. They are always cheerful, smiling, and devoid of malice, which is a sign of noble character.

He was also a Mutazila, a school of Islamic theology that held heretical beliefs, they believed that the Quran was created. So he didn't stick to orthodoxy when it came to Islam.

But Its clear in Islam that racism is immoral, our Prophet (PBUH) said in his last sermon:

>"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a White has no superiority over a Black nor a Black has any superiority over a White except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly."

I don't deny that there are Muslims today who hold racist beliefs, but those are due to the result of sociopolitics since times of European colonialism who corrupted much of the Islamic world and turned populations against each other.

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4c8c4e No.41745

To quote the last sermon of our beloved prophet SAW.

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor does a black have any superiority over a white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."

Anyone who is racist is deviating from the path.

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634361 No.41750

>>41739

A history comprising billions of people has racists? Gosh!

>I am an African Christian

But the racism rampant in Christendom doesn't bother you?

>>41745

Mashallah!

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57b8db No.41757

>>41739

>literally posts 2 non scholars

christian concern troll

>O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. 49:13

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87e999 No.41762

>>41757

You should read the verse immediately before that.

>O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

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e04430 No.41764

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>>41750

Then why are billions of Arabs still racist towards the Black man?

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634361 No.41765

>>41764

On what planet do you live where there are "billions" of Arabs?

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039cc2 No.41792

>>41764

you must understand that most muslims will want to produce kids that look like them, and kids from muslim parents, blacks are mostly known as christians, thus will not be a good idea to let your daugthers marry them.

so yeah, call it racism or whatever

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039cc2 No.41793

>>41792

this, without mentioning what zanj are doing in muslim countries.

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ef98fd No.41838

>>41793

What are they doing? And also isn't zanj not accurate as >>41744 pointed?

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28518d No.41870

>>41764

>Colonialism

Around 95% of the Muslim world used to be under western control, look at pics of middle eastern/north african countries like in the 50s, 60s, 70s, they're wearing suits, skirts, bikinis at the beach, etc. The west turned a lot of people against each other, not just the arabs and blacks.

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022f46 No.42279

>>41750

>But the racism rampant in Christendom doesn't bother you?

Well, Christianity is a fairly equal religion. Just like you said

>A history comprising billions of people has racists? Gosh!

I wouldn't say that racism is rampant in Christianity, i would just say its more common considering that Christianity is the largest religion in the entire world. Jesus would not be pleased with these racists who call themselves Christians

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5012e0 No.42362

>>41739

🤬 YOU LEAVE TURKEY GODDAMNED APE

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71978f No.42448

>>41764

>Then why are billions of Arabs still racist towards the Black man?

You must know that us arabs dont give our daughters to someone from a very different tribe unless its a close tribe or something political is going on and there's no racism in that . that is in all arabs from almaghrib to alsham . but lately this thing is disappearing slowly . and marriage is easy these days . and i know a lot of families that gave their daughters to black men mostly sudanese people .

Berbers are whiter than arabs and they dont marry from arabs .

The marriage thing is not racism at all in the arab world . its just how us arabs are .

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71978f No.42449

Turkey is no different than any other western country . muslims are a minority there

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2e3f05 No.42575

>>42449

real muslims are minority

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