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25eb16  No.41675

Hey, I am a Jew and for some time I have been thinking about Islam, and I want to ask you, why are you a Muslim? What made you convert if you are? Evidence you have for Islam?

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4be051  No.41676

>>41675

>Why are you Muslim?

Because it is the truth.

>Evidence

Qur'an

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4e0a53  No.41682

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Well you already believe in Allah now you just need to accept the prophet and his message.

For a jew I would say evidence Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesied in the bible is the strongest one. But also that the quran is so eloquent nobody of the enemies of Muhammad (pbuh) could reproduce it. Many poets converted because they know it's divine. It's eloquence is one thing, but also it's historical accuracy and coherence with itself.

In short I am a muslim because

>Allah exists

>He is one

>Islam has the most comprehensive monotheism

>Qu'ran is a preserved miracle

>The prophet of all mankind is Muhammad (pbuh)

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3a69b8  No.41686

The miracles and prophecies are the proofs we have for Islam. The most graspable miracle to most non-Muslims is probably the preservation of the Quran, Allah says that the Quran was made easy to remember, and thats the case, what other book the size of the Quran has been memorized by millions of people, especially when a lot of these people that have memorized the book don't even understand the language?

Theres lots of scientific and historical facts that Allah mentions in the Quran too. A lot of other people try to dismiss this that, some Greek philosopher theorized this thing at the time already, this Persian scholar already knew this thing. if you consider it all, its impossible that an illiterate person in Arabia, would have compiled all this information from all over the world, not to mention somehow sifted through all the fake infos, theories, and historical accounts, that we can barely do now despite our modern technologies, and weaved it together with legal code, ethics, morality, ettiquette, etc., along with prophecies of which scholars say about 80% has already been fulfilled, all together into a literary form that was completely unique, which the top poets of Arabia called magic. And this resulted in the spread of the religion throughout the world, the establishment of a number of Islamic empires, cultures which flourished, and where to this day its one of the worlds biggest religions, the fastest growing one, the vast majority of Muslims, if not all, agree on the basic tenets of Islam, that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad was his messenger.

Heres a short PDF article giving evidence for the prophethood of Muhammad (Peace be upon him): https://www.kbyh.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Choice-10-Evidences-for-the-Prophethood-of-Muhammad.pdf

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4e0a53  No.41694

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c282cb  No.41701

>>41675

>I am a Jew

<posts this hoping for a /pol/-like reeeee fest

<gets welcomed by /islam/

<vanishes because his trolling attempt failed

Yep.

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4e0a53  No.41706

>>41701

Don't assume evil, if you don't have a good thing to post then don't post.

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a4f37e  No.41708

>why are you Muslim

It's what God has written for me.

>what made you convert

I recited the Quran and it was perfect.

>proofs

Faith is something that grows on itself. Once you accept it small things deepen it over time. I could bring you things that are clear to me but there's no guarantee they'll be clear to another. Maybe this in itself is a proof.

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e55ada  No.41710

I found this page in early 2016 when I was going through a very vulnerable time in my life (starting my transition) and it gave me confidence and hope for a future that felt very uncertain. I still struggle with self-hate and suicidal ideation sometimes but I believe that the might of Allah and the wisdom of his prophet Muhammad shall be this world's salvation. Allahu Akbar!

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4e0a53  No.41715

>>41710

Transgender is haram brother.

Injecting hormones will mess with your head.

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4be051  No.41716

>>41715

Ayatollah Khomeini and Sheikh al-Tantawi disagree. You can refute them if you like, but bring your proof.

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ac0937  No.41717

>>41716

https://sunnah.com/abudawud/34/79

> The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) cursed the man who dressed like a woman and the woman who dressed like a man.

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4be051  No.41718

>>41717

A transgender person is not a man who dresses up like a woman. Try again.

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ac0937  No.41719

>>41718

But will they not wear clothing meant for the opposite sex?

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4be051  No.41720

>>41719

No. A transgender/intersex person dresses as their appropriate sex, not the opposite. It is made clear in Islam that there are men and women born into the "wrong" bodies. There's even a term for it: Khunthaa. This is something Muslims understood 1,000 years before European "medics" caught on to the idea. Why do you want to set Islam back?

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d843cb  No.41721

>>41720

>Why do you want to set Islam back?

That's what Sunni do. They don't even read Qur'an. They just memorize it.

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4be051  No.41722

>>41721

You're not helping.

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16e772  No.41723

>>41721

We read Quran. The Quran that was preserved in its entirety with nothing left out. We also read hadiths. Such as

Abu'l-Hayyaj al-Asadi told that 'Ali (b. Abu Talib) said to him:

Should I not send you on the same mission as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without levelling It. This hadith has been reported by Habib with the same chain of transmitters and he said: (Do not leave) a picture without obliterating it.

Most Shia don't read these things. They just roll around in mud, pray to graves, and beat themselves with whips.

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004d46  No.41724

>>41720

>Khunthaa

Khunthaa is a very derogatory term.

The root KHA NA THA also means foul, obscene, and lazy. Effeminate is just one of the meanings.

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004d46  No.41725

>>41721

Maybe you should understand the story of lut.

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4e0a53  No.41726

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>>41716

>Ayatollah Khomeini

into the trash it goes

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4e0a53  No.41727

>>41720

Yeah but it does not mean they can cut off their genitals or inject hormones or marry men.

If you feel like that then there's mental help, but changing the creation of Allah is haram.

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4be051  No.41728

>>41727

Guess I'm going to hell for having my appendix and wisdom teeth removed.

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16e772  No.41730

>>41728

>comparing life saving surgery to cutting off one's genitalia and acting as the opposite sex

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5b6f44  No.41731

>>41717

Medically and Islamically speaking, I am intersex, I'm not biologically male or female.

I don't think there's any Islamic jurisprudence that doesn't allow intersex people to get gender-affirming treatments.

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5b6f44  No.41732

>>41725

>>41725

The story of Lut is about rape adultery and male prostitution, if your takeaway from the story of Lut is "homosex=BAD" then I think you should go read it again.

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5b6f44  No.41733

>>41728

Gender affirming surgery is life-saving.

>>41724

I identify as a mukhanath.

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4be051  No.41734

>>41730

Having my wisdom teeth removed wasn't life saving. I chose to have it done. Also, who determines what is and is not "life saving"? Who determines what is and is not "necessary surgery"?

You?

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fec4cd  No.41736

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fec4cd  No.41737

>>41734

>Having my wisdom teeth removed wasn't life saving.

It can be very debilitating when it becomes a problem.

>Also, who determines what is and is not "life saving"? Who determines what is and is not "necessary surgery"?

Islamic scholars, who say that if you choose to imitate the opposite gender, these people are cursed.

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4be051  No.41738

>>41737

>Islamic scholars

Who have determined that there are transgender/intersexed people and that gender-affirming surgery is a method of treatment. Thanks for finally understanding what Muslims have known for centuries.

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16e772  No.41740

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>>41733

>Gender affirming surgery is life-saving.

Then why do so many of them still kill themselves after getting the surgery? Their suicide rates are higher because the real problem isn't fixed by physically altering their sexual organs. They have a form of mental illness.

>>41738

You can find "Islamic scholars" that will say anything about anything. Ayatollah Khomeini, one of the "scholars" that says transgender surgery is allowed also says other haram things are allowed. The extreme majority of Islamic scholars are on the same side on this issue. Imitating the opposite sex in any way is haram, and you aren't allowed to get sex reassignment surgery.

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4be051  No.41741

>>41740

>muh precious fee-fees narrative

Islam doesn't care that you think transgender people are "icky poopie pants grooossss". You are in the wrong on this and if all you can do is insult Khomeini to "prove" your point, then you never had a point to begin with. I could easily bring up all those Sunni "scholars" who have claimed that a woman having anal sex is what causes homosexuality, but I'm leaving that at the door.

Most scholars, Sunni and Shi'a, have determined that transgender/intersex is a real human condition and that there are methods of treatment - medical and psychological - that are halal.

And if you want to know why transgender people tend to kill themselves, look no further than how you would treat them if you had any authority whatsoever. If you were treated the way you want them treated, you'd felate a shogun too.

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3a69b8  No.41742

>>41740

Why are people still bringing up Khomeini here, he's shia, I don't deny that shia believe in a lot of messed up things, I don't deny that there may be a few fringe sunni scholars too that may agree with the issue, but if you're really going out of your way to find these one or two fringe scholars that the majority of scholars disagree with, you're not being sincere with your religion.

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16e772  No.41746

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>>41741

>muh precious fee-fees narrative

That isn't the narrative. Gender dysphoria is a mental condition. That means that it is not fixed or cured by indulging their unnatural desires. Allowing them to dress as the opposite sex, or going so far as allowing them to do irreversible, permanent, life altering surgery to themselves also does not fix their problem. It is inside of their minds. There are a large number of people that regret having sex reassignment surgery. The doctors that are doing these surgeries are not telling the people all of the facts and consequences.

They don't tell people that when you cut off your penis and make an artificial hole for a vagina, it will never function the way you want it to. You will have to artificially dilate it each time you want to have sex, if they are able to have sex at all. Sometimes there are complications where the person is not able to have sex through their "vagina" without causing injury. In these cases the doctor tells them that they can never have "vaginal" sex They don't tell people that because of the bacteria in the orifice, it emits a constant smell of poop. In some cases it is so bad it fills the whole room with a strong smell of poop. The smell cannot be mitigated. I could go on with many more physical examples of complications like these.

Some people without any physical complication from the surgery still regret having the surgery. They wish they could go back, which isn't possible. They will still try, which is why there is such a thing as sex change reversal surgery. It doesn't work out well. So when you try to put forth the narrative that Muslims who are opposed to transgenderism are being cruel and do not care about transgender people, you are wrong.

There are halal ways to deal with these conditions. They aren't going to make the person feel normal, because that is the essence of their mental condition. But they are going to prevent them from committing sins, and they will realize that all of their suffering will be an expiation for them on the day of resurrection. If someone really cared, they would want to try and solve these people's problems against their will, then to do what they want and cause them even more problems.

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4be051  No.41747

>>41742

>Why are people still bringing up Khomeini here, he's shia,

This is not a sunni-only board

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16e772  No.41748

>>41747

Do you care to respond to >>41746?

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4be051  No.41749

>>41746

>Gender dysphoria is a mental condition.

With physical attributes. Depression is a mental condition, but it also causes physical fatigue, chronic pain, and sleep disorders. The brain is part of the body. You cannot separate them. A mental condition IS a physical condition.

>There are a large number of people that regret having sex reassignment surgery.

Most don't. That's the reality you have to accept. Cherry-picking certain cases to fit a narrative is being dishonest. Most people who have surgery to affirm their gender are very happy and go on to live full, normal lives.

>They don't tell people …

Yes, they do. They tell PATIENTS that. People who go have surgery are informed and it is a process that takes years. You're acting like it's some dude walking into a clinic and saying "snip it, doc!" and the doc saying "okie dokie!"

>There are halal ways to deal with these conditions.

And surgery is one of them.

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16e772  No.41752

>>41749

Surgery is not a halal way to deal with this condition. It is halal only when you cherry pick scholars that agree with you. The overwhelming majority of scholars say that it is haram and is not allowed. That is why transgender people are not allowed to go for Hajj or Umrah.

http://www.newnownext.com/trans-people-saudia-arabia-umrah/11/2016/

inb4

>muh wahhabis

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4be051  No.41753

>>41752

>The overwhelming majority of scholars say that it is haram

No, they don't, and the reason T people aren't allowed to go for Hajj is because the munafiq Saud family owns Mecca.

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5b6f44  No.41754

>>41746

>They don't tell people that when you cut off your penis and make an artificial hole for a vagina, it will never function the way you want it to. You will have to artificially dilate it each time you want to have sex

They do tell people this, though. This is common knowledge in the trans community…..

>Sometimes there are complications where the person is not able to have sex through their "vagina" without causing injury. In these cases the doctor tells them that they can never have "vaginal" sex They don't tell people that because of the bacteria in the orifice, it emits a constant smell of poop. In some cases it is so bad it fills the whole room with a strong smell of poop. The smell cannot be mitigated.

This is literally just /pol/-tier fearmongering. Just made-up nonsense.

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16e772  No.41755

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>>41754

>They do tell people this, though. This is common knowledge in the trans community…..

They don't tell people about all of the possible complications and issues that can arise. You are picking out the one basic thing that they actually tell people.

>This is literally just /pol/-tier fearmongering. Just made-up nonsense.

Yea, this is probably just someone LARPing making all this up. I could dump dozens of transgender regret pictures, but I am not going to sh*t up this board to prove a point.

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4be051  No.41758

>>41755

>I could dump dozens

And I could dump thousands that prove you wrong. You are cherry picking because you can't handle the fact that people are different than you and your behavior is, in fact, /pol/-tier nonsense.

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16e772  No.41759

>>41758

You could dump thousands of pictures that prove that the pictures I have don't exist? That transgender people never regret going through the surgery? That every sensible Islamic scholar is against transgenderism?

All that is needed in this situation is one hadith.

"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) cursed the women who imitate men and the men who imitate women." [Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2784]

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4be051  No.41760

>>41759

Why do you keep pretending "transgender" means "cross dresser"? Get your /pol/-tier garbage off this board.

>one hadith

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE NOT IMITATING THE OPPOSITE SEX

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0ae330  No.41761

We are not having this conversation on this board ever again. If you cannot handle Undyne or any LGBT person being welcome on this board, you can leave. We do not turn anyone away nor will I tolerate such disrespect for people genuinely seeking Islam.

I hope OP's question was satisfactorily answered.

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