/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

> I've only been seeing biased comments supporting them on their videos, so I wanna know if theres stuff in their views I should watch out for.

May Allah swt bless you and increase you in knowledge, this intellectually honest attitude is very rare.

SPUBs is a madkhali cult they are not sunni. Madkhalis are saudi salafis who shill for saudi arabia and other arab tyrants. They are in fact kufar since they believe dismantling the shariah is a minor kufr. But it's a major kufr. Among other things such as supporting USA, UK invasions, because they support anything saudi does, since they consider them legitimate rulers who should be obeyed.

Rulers should be obeyed, but only in matters that dont contradict the shariah, and these puppets are not legitimate rulers.

As for ali dawah and others, they are usually ikhwani, muslim brotherhood cultists, they believe in democracy and that makes them kuffar. I know ali openly stated his kufr, but im not sure about the other 3 you named.

Essentially this beef is between 2 cults, ikhwanis and madkhalis.

Muslim brotherhood vs saudi shills

We see this in the middle east as well, what with the Saudi UAE egypt v Turkey qatar cold war

>>41253

I will also add that salafism is not a sect but a methodology, it was not invented by Muhammad ibn abdul Wahab, who is a valid hanbali scholar.

But it's actually just aiming to follow the first 3 generations of islam, which are called the salaf. All the 4 imams we're from the salaf generations, so technically all sunnis are following the salafist methodology.

Surah Al-Waqi'a (The Event) 56:10-14

But the foremost shall be [they who in life were] the foremost [in faith and good works]:

they who were [always] drawn close unto God

In gardens of bliss [will they dwell] -

a good many of those of olden times,

but [only] a few of later times.

Narrated `Abdullah:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The best people are those of my generation, and then those who will come after them (the next generation), and then those who will come after them (i.e. the next generation), and then after them, there will come people whose witness will precede their oaths, and whose oaths will precede their witness." Sahih al-Bukhari 6429

So hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs who will come after me. Adhere to them and hold fast to them. Beware of Bid'ah (in religion) because every Bid'ah is a misguidance." [Abu Da wud and At-Tirmidhi] Book 2, Hadith 22

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Based akhi

May Allah bless u (أمين)

>>41253

So from what I understand the differences you mentioned, are mainly political ones, that have Islamic connotations, because they support rulers that oppose strict sharia.

It kinda makes sense, but honestly brother your explanation seems really biased itself, so I can't whole heartedly accept your explanation.

When I watch how two of these guys do dawah, Shamsi who calls himself salafi (SPUBs), and Mohammed Hijab who considers himself just sunni from hanbali madhab, it doesn't seem like they disagree with much but they make their arguements differently, seems like Hijab is better at making dawah to atheists and agnostics since his argument is derived from rationality and philosophy, he mainly uses the kalam cosmological argument, basically since everything in our universe is dependant on something else, that there has to be an independant entity that started it all (Allah) or else there will be infinite regress which is irrational. Where as I think Shamsi is better at making dawah to people of other faiths and theological backgrounds, where he can show how irrational and corrupted other religions are, and then show how Islam makes more sense and show them prophecies from the Quran and our Prophet (SAW) that have come true, I've heard that salafis forbid discussions on kalam and rationality so maybe thats why he doesn't talk about that.

>>41254

I've read that before, but it doesn't explain why theres the distinction though, like I've heard that there were salafis during the Prophet (SAW)s time but there wasn't a distinction there, they didn't differentiate themselves by calling themselves salafi, it was just a difference of opinion, so what was this difference in opinion.

It makes sense the way you say it, that then all sunnis are salafi, but then why is it that someone like Mufti Menk can say hes salafi, and then SPUBs and Shamsi say no he's not salafi, and then you can say no SPUBs is not salafi they're madkhali.

I hope you can understand my confusion.

>>41276

If someone says they are Salafi doesn't necessarily mean they actually follow the salafi manhaj.

Madkhalis claim they are salafi even though they support the taghut (someone who does not rule by what Allah has commanded). If you support the taghut, your Islam is nullified. Therefore, you're not a salafi/muslim

And these are not "political differences with Islamic connotations", this is Islam in itself.

Islam is political and it has a clear, defined and established stance that cannot be changed.

Read Muhammad Ibn Abdil-Wahhab's works, he delves in these subjects precisely and actually quotes the Quran, to quash your thoughts about it being biased towards a school of tought or something, i don't really understand your use of "biased"

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Ibn Taymiyya is also another great scholar.

>>41276

>are mainly political ones, that have Islamic connotations

connotations of kufr, politics can affect your aqeeda, and can make you a kaffir

you can't just believe the shariah of the Lord of the universe is cheap and not be a kafir

>I can't whole heartedly accept your explanation

I explained to you why they don't like each-other, one leans ikhwani the other leans madkhali, simple.

>I've heard that salafis forbid discussions on kalam and rationality so maybe thats why he doesn't talk about that.

you heard wrong, salafis dont forbid it if it's to help convert non muslims into islam, its just that once in islam, scripture overrides philosophy

> like I've heard that there were salafis during the Prophet (SAW)s time but there wasn't a distinction there,

no, thats wrong, idk where you "hear" things from, but you should be careful

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "It is enough for a man to prove himself a liar when he goes on narrating whatever he hears."

[Muslim].

>they didn't differentiate themselves by calling themselves salafi, it was just a difference of opinion, so what was this difference in opinion.

that's just false, there was no such thing as salafi, since they themselves we're the salaf! what you are saying makes no sense, and they had ijma3 on aqeedah, which the salafis follow, I dont think you know what you are talking about and I suggest you read what I posted a few times

>It makes sense the way you say it, that then all sunnis are salafi, but then why is it that someone like Mufti Menk can say hes salafi, and then SPUBs and Shamsi say no he's not salafi, and then you can say no SPUBs is not salafi they're madkhali.

Because they act in a way contradicting the methodology of the salaf. Mufti Menk believes in democracy, gay rights, and believes he can decide when he shakes hands with a female. shamsi and spubs are dogs of the dogs of al saud, they blindly defend them and make excuses for allying with israel & USA. They have murjia beliefs in that they dont takfir based on actions. Its why they consider all secular tyrants who rip the shariah apart as muslims. Once cannot call himself salafi and contradict all the principles of the manhaj and islam. This is not hard to understand.

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al salam 3alaykum

im a sunni maaliki from algeria, i recently got introduced to the UK muslims of Speaker's Corner from a friend that was amazed by them & their debates with non-believers to convince them that islam is deen al 7a9 then i discovered the fitna that is between them it truly saddens me to see brothers in deen enter in conflict with each other the think that shocked me the most and got me really upset to see them call each other names like mubtadi2 innovator kharidji "you're saying tabdi3" and the worst one that i consider the most shocking words you say to another muslim even if he's shi3a "kafir and moortad" (3afakom allah) i would prefered they would say "yahdik allah or dou3a2 bi al hidaya"

they should resolve their issues around a table and in private like a family that we muslims are, instead of exposing our problems in front of strangers & non-believers i wish our scholars intervene in these disputes

after watching multiples videos i think most of them are seeking fame and esteem in the eyes of UK muslims and the maximum number of views & subscriber on their channels

maybe i'm wrong, at least i hope so, and may allah forgive me, ina ba3da danni eethm

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Wa alaykom salaam,

Yeah completely agree with you, Speakers corner in general promotes this kind of sensationalism which is looked down upon. One thing that is truly hated to Allah is "Qiyla wa Qaala" [¬he said, she said] and that's all they're really doing - talking trash about one another