d86d32 No.39531 [Last50 Posts]
It's apparently just going to be yet another politics thread.
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cb2d1d No.39532
The 4 schools are all respected but not all of them could be right, I guess the saudi scholar said this because they rule according to hanbali fiqh, but in reality, it would be a mix of all these madhbabs depending on which one has the correct opinion, based on the apparent meaning of the quran, sunnah, and ijma' sahaba.
Ibn Taymiyyah was a revolutionary scholar, he was truly a genius and refuted all types of bid'ah. Only extremists hate him.
And as for walaa wal baraa, it is not as hard as memorizing al baqarah brother, but it is easy and necessary for your iman to be complete. Do you know what it is in the first place? Seems like you have a misunderstanding.
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1924e4 No.39533
>why exactly the Hanbali school is apparently more prestigious in the Islamic tradition.
What gave you that impression? And what's the document describing the laws of a future caliphate?
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3ba2a7 No.39534
>>39531
I see this thread as going very well and having no mudslinging, name calling, or everyone declaring everyone else apostate.
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d37ed4 No.39535
>>39531
>memorize surat al bakarah et cetera immediately then I am going to be a kafiir forever
Memorization is nothing compared to understanding. I can program a computer to recite the entire Qur'an, but that doesn't make the computer a believer.
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9ea55b No.39585
>>39533
Not him but most westerners seem to be hanbalis
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9ea55b No.39586
>>39535
The computer doesn't have a soul, it's no more a believer than a tree.
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c43ceb No.39587
>>39585
That's because Westerners tend to be meme-LARPers and wahhabi-salafism is the meme branch.
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66a5c9 No.39590
>>39587
Western larpers love Shiaism . Western reverts gravitate towards malakism and salafism.
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3ba2a7 No.39591
>>39590
Salafists are Hanbali, not Malaki.
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66a5c9 No.39592
>>39591
Huh? Salafis are not maliki or hanbali. Salafi is a manhaj not a madhab. Salafi laymen are athari in aqeedah but in terms of fiqh they will usually stick to one madhab. Salafi scholars may issue rulings derived from various madahab from what they perceive to be the strongest.
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66a5c9 No.39593
>>39592
So when I say western muslims gravitate towards salafism and malikism what I mean is in aqidah the most popular is athari and in fiqh the most popular is Maliki. North Africa and is the closest muslim lands to Europe and America and the Maliki school of law is strong there so it makes sense.
I am athari revert yet I will follow the same basic maliki fiqh as ashari reverts like Hamza Yusuf and Suhaib Webb. My differences with them are in creed, not jurisprudence.
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67e2e6 No.39604
>>39587
>salafi
>meme-branch
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c43ceb No.39607
>>39604
It's definitely the meme-branch. New converts always want to LARP as Daesh, which is Salafi. Just like new Christians always want to LARP as Crusaders. New converts are always extremists until they spend enough time as Muslim and learn that extremism is not what Islam is about. Then they either settle down and truly learn or they apostate because "true Islam is kinda boring".
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67e2e6 No.39611
>>39607
So you're in favour of blindly adhering to a madhab like the Jews instead of following the Quran and Sunnah. Hope you have fun at the twirling shrine of the winged qalandar
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c43ceb No.39612
>>39611
I have no idea what the hell you're babbling on about, but if you think Daesh is the only way to be Muslim, then I hope you enjoy your stay at GitMo.
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d37ed4 No.39613
>>39611
>Salafi
>Not blindly following
"Salafi" is literally Arabic for "do what I say or I'll cut your head off".
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d60651 No.39614
>>39607
>Then they either settle down and truly learn or they apostate because "true Islam is kinda boring"
Or they could learn by reading books about Islam, instead of following the "true Islam" of LARPing as some kind of Modernist/Sufi and speaking without having a clue what you are talking about.
>>39612
If you think Daesh is Salafi, you do not know the meaning of the word 'Salaf'.
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d60651 No.39615
>>39531
Ibn Taymiyah was a great scholar who has many great books about Islam. There are some people who dislike him, but people who speak the truth will always have some very vocal critics. Not because they are doing anything wrong, but the people that criticize themselves have a problem with the truth.
Nothing is going to make you a 'kafiir forever'. As long as you are doing the obligatory prayers and actions and avoiding the haram things you will be fine. It is better to gain fundamental knowledge of some tafsir, hadith, fiqh and other things before you just start memorizing a bunch of Quran that you don't know the meaning of. When the Sahaba RA used to memorize the Quran, they would memorize a few verses and then memorize all of the meanings for them. That is why it took them years to memorize surah Bakarah, because they knew all of the meanings of all of the verses.
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67e2e6 No.39616
>>39612
So salafism is just daesh? Just gonna go ahead and ignore the 1400 years of struggle and prosperity?
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67e2e6 No.39617
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c43ceb No.39618
>>39614
Daesh claim to be Salafi and you know it. Are you one of those idiots who run around claiming that ISIS is Shi'a in disguise? You do seem to think that everyone who hates ISIS is a Sufi, which is just stupid.
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f4dd80 No.39619
@a044a0 is probably the same guy that comes into every thread with
>Salafis and Wahabbis are all bad and they are the exact same as Daesh. They are all LARPers and they are the Islamic version of Christian crusading southern Baptists. They want to kill everyone who disagrees with them too, they said. They think that they are the only real Muslims but that is because they aren’t the “true Muslims”.
No matter what the thread is about—poof there he is. He is most likely just trolling and trying to waste people’s time. It would be better to turn back to the topic of the thread instead of letting him derail it and paying attention to him.
>>39531
The 4 schools of Fiqh largely overlap on the most basic issues. There are a few times when they have different rulings, but even during those times you don’t have to necessarily stick to one mathhab. You can follow what you think is the strongest opinion, or stick to one mathhab if you want. Don’t try to think that you are in some kind of hurry to learn. You can take your time and try to learn what you can, when you are able. The works of Ibn Taymiyah and the classical scholars are good to learn from.
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3ba2a7 No.39621
>>39619
>@a044a0
This ain't twitter.
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1924e4 No.39622
Always the same guy wanting to troll and derail every thread by bring up isis.
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66a5c9 No.39623
>>39613
>>39613
Prove you’re not an Assadist from /pol/ who calls Sunnis “head choppers.”
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c43ceb No.39624
>>39623
Not all Sunnis are head choppers. Not all Sunnis are ISIS. If you can't see the difference, then you're the one with the problem.
>>39622
I will stand up against ISIS no matter where it is. They give Islam a bad name by pretending to be Muslim.
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66a5c9 No.39625
>>39618
Qatar claim to be Salafi too and they are allied with Iran against Saudi. Lol. ISIS is actually khariji, not Sunni. If you were muslim you would know that. Sunni is short for people of sunna and the JAMAAT and ISIS makes takfir on the JAMAAT. And funny how your chart doesnt list Shia extremists. You are some Syria war weeb kid who thinks he can pass as muslim because you follow PartisanGirl lol.
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66a5c9 No.39626
>>39624
ISIS are not sunnis. You are part of the problem because you don’t understand the concept of khawarij.
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5c411e No.39627
>>39626
>everyone I don't like is from a sect that died out 1300 years ago
lol
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66a5c9 No.39628
>>39627
>wikipedia says there are no more khawarij
Like I said Patrick, you are not fooling anyone. ISIS says every group of Sunnis, even the Taliban, are disbelievers. They reject literally every Sunni country, group, and leader on the planet yet you Orientalist hobbyists still want to pin them on us since you know nothing and are fascinated by exotic sects instead of mainstream islam.
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5c411e No.39630
>>39628
>mainstream Islam
You're the one who hates mainstream Islam. You call them "moderates", "liberals", and "modernists"; but they are mainstream Islam. You're the one who has the image of desert dwelling Arabs as "mainstream"; but that is a tiny minority.
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1924e4 No.39632
>>39630
Go back to /pol/ you retarded larper.
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66a5c9 No.39635
>>39630
>>39630
>You're the one who
Just watched Algeria win the Africa Cup.
>You’re the one who
Is an actual muslim instead of a creepy larper from /pol/.
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b854d9 No.39639
You guys need to learn how to not respond to trolls. I originally turned on IDs so that people could easily filter people they didn't want to engage with; but if you're just going to keep feeding trolls, the IDs serve no function.
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cb2d1d No.39641
>>39607
>>39612
>>39613
>>39618
>>39621
>>39624
>>39630
nice one! we got those BLARGLEARRGHHHLEHARGHHHHHHGHGLERRRRRRRGHGRGHRGHRGHRGHRHGHGHGRRRRRLLLLLis!!
we are the true trad islam
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d60651 No.39642
>>39624
>I will stand up against ISIS no matter where it is.
No one was talking about ISIS, they were debating on which mathhab Salafis follow. Then you came in and called Salafis a 'meme branch'. You don't offer any explanation as to why, all you can do is throw around buzzwords and equate them to ISIS. If you think all Salafis are ISIS you aren't using logic, since there are many Salafis who have spoken out against ISIS, using actual arguments, on youtube and other places.
>>39639
I don't think you should ignore someone who is spreading blatant lies (things that aren't differences of opinion but obvious falsehoods). For every one person that posts there are probably over a dozen people just lurking. If someone reads something and no one objects to it them might just accept it as a fact.
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cb2d1d No.39643
>>39642
BO is pro shia ibadi
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b854d9 No.39645
>>39643
I am a pro-Muslim Ibadi. It's not my fault you don't believe Shi'a to be Muslim, nor is it my problem.
>>39642
I don't ignore deliberate falsehoods, but it is true that ISIS claims to be Salafi and that Salafiyyah are a small minority of Sunni Muslims.
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d60651 No.39649
>>39645
>it is true that ISIS claims to be Salafi and that Salafiyyah are a small minority of Sunni Muslims.
Assuming all Salafis are ISIS is the issue. No one made any mention of ISIS, except troll boy.
The Prophet PBUH told us to follow him as an example, and that his generation was the best generation, then the one after that, then the one after that. Following those generations (the Salaf) would mean being a Salafi. It isn't even a solid denomination. Many Sunnis claim to follow the way of the Salaf and don't openly proclaim themselves to be Salafi wherever they go.
Our Imam has never called himself a Salafi that I know of, but he says that 'we shouldn't celebrate the Prophet's PBUH birthday' and similar things. Many Muslims with animosity to Salafis would label him as being one (especially those who enjoy celebrating the Prophet's birthday and similar things).
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66a5c9 No.39652
>>39645
Who cares what isis claims? They have been refuted by all sunni scholars and they fight against Sunni mujahideen and civilians all over the world.
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d56a84 No.39678
>>39652
No, they don't. That is what the Shaytan and their slaves want you to believe. Taligay is abandoning jihad and uniting with the kuffar to fight the Islamic State.(vid related)
Al-Qaeda has got astray from the path a long time ago, things only went downwards after Shaykh Usama Bin-Laden (RA) got martyred. Al-Zawahiri is clearly a puppet and a tyrant. In Somalia, for an example, in Shabaab territory, the AQ murtad leaders are fat and useless tyrants who kill everyone who doesn't suck their d*ck. They are known as "Nourished in Haram" as for how fat and tyrannical they are. Al-Zawahiri declared war against the Islamic State, not the other way around. I think I don't even to say anything about the taghut murtad militias in Syria. About the civilians, well, you should think about the millions and millions of children, women and men killed mercilessly by the kuffar. These mass shootings are nothing compared to seeing your entire family burnt to death by bombs dropped by the kuffar, and such actions are supported by the civilians of these criminal countries such as France. Ever heard about the massacre of Baghouz? I guess not, since you're so defensive about the kuffar and their enablers.
And I'm not the one pushing ISIS in every single thread. Is that moderate munafik LARPer from /pol/ trying to divert the brothers from the path. If you're going to permaban someone, ban him, not me.
I'm just answering the lies and misconceptions.
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d60651 No.39679
>>39678
Don't you know that the real terrorist threat is from white supremacists? Its true. If you had watched the new Harry Potter movie you would have known this. Daniel Radcliffe plays an FBI agent.
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d56a84 No.39680
>>39679
Epic. I don't really understood what you meant to imply with this, but whatever. I'm not saying that the IS isn't terrorist, they are, and they are actually proud of it.
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55a922 No.39681
>>39678
>vulgarity
>personal insults
>calling people munafiq
None of that is acceptable here. It doesn’t matter if you have an unpopular opinion but what does matter is your lack of adhab. Maybe they talk like this on telegram or wherever you crawled out of but that is not permitted here. This board is a masjid for civil discourse.
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3ba2a7 No.39682
>>39678
>Shaykh Usama Bin-Laden (RA)
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2c32e5 No.39683
>>39678
>If you're going to permaban someone, ban him, not me.
When I first started this board, people from /pol/ flooded over here to LARP as ISIS and/or al-Qaeda. There was one industrious fellow who even set himself up with the persona of a Bedouin. He even faked pics and typed in broken English. The LARPing stopped being amusing after a few weeks, but I allowed it. I kept it to a couple of threads until someone created the board /islamicstate/ (now gone) and I could send them over there. I still had to deal with the LARPers for a while because nobody could believe that a board existed that had actual Muslims on it. Other religious boards had similar problems, but we all found our own way to deal with it.
Then, one day, I got a visit from the FBI. While it was a very amicable visit and they just wanted some information about me personally, the reason for the visit was obvious. I'm not putting my family through that again for a bunch of anonymous 8channers who want to pretend to be all hard core jihadis and sing the praises of groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. I don't even want the potential appearance of me allowing it because if I do allow it, two things are going to happen:
1] I will lose this board. It will be taken over by globals or it will be deleted by the Admin for violation of Global Rule 1.
2] I will be visited again and again by the FBI, maybe even landing myself in jail and, well, I'm not going to jail for you to "answer the lies and misconceptions".
It is the policy of this board that anyone the United States has declared to be a terrorist organization is also considered a terrorist organization by this board. Anyone who claims to be a part of such organizations will be banned as per Global Rule 1 and possibly reported to the FBI (yes, I do still have contact information on the agents who visited me so I don't have to go through the tip line) if I deem there to be a credible threat. There is no lie or misconception: ISIS and al-Qaeda are enemies of the United States and, thus, are enemies of this board. If you do not like that policy, then you are welcome to make your own board and run it as you see fit for as long as you can.
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d56a84 No.39684
>>39681
Ok, I agree. But I do believe moderate "Muslims" to be munafik and/or even mushrik depending on the person.
>>39682
>anime girl pic
You're the joke.
>>39683
Well, I don't agree and I don't respect with what you say and what the United States government do and say, and I'm very sure the United States and it's allies are enemies of Islam and muslims. I also advise you to get out of this country as soon as possible. But I know I don't have any choice here, after all. I understand and I try my best to not transgress the limits when I post in this board. You've already stated that the Islamic State is an enemy of this board and it has not to do anything with it. I'm not calling for people to join the Islamic State or perpetrate terrorist acts, I'm just debating with other people about the Islamic State. If someone says something that I don't agree with, in any thread, I will make a post about it, this is pretty much how imageboards like this work. I think we should have specific threads about these subjects but some people keeping pushing the "salafi/vahabi takfiri khawarij terrorists" topic in every single thread.
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d60651 No.39685
>>39680
Stop trying to walk back your bullsh*t. Here >>39678 you seem to be implying all kinds of sketchy things without actually coming out and saying it. Someone coming here talking about "Shaykh Usama Bin-Laden" in multiple posts is very suspicious.
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d56a84 No.39686
>>39685
I'm not "trying to walk back my bullsh*t", lel.
Why are you trying to get me banned? Maybe you didn't understand the "I try my best to not transgress the limits when I post in this board".
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55a922 No.39687
>>39685
As per BO no daesh/aq bolsterism. But let’s discuss matters not thought police one another. Words speak for themselves not implications and inferences. Everybody just chill. We dont allow people to break law here but we risk irrelevancy as a board if we don’t allow frank discussion of difficult topics even if we completely disagree with the posters.
Edit:
And I think any discussion of this nature belongs in the political thread. Now we apparently have two political threads so there is no excuse for these matters to take over every thread.
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6e2563 No.39702
>>39683
>Then, one day, I got a visit from the FBI.
I had no idea this happened to you. I understand now why you're so strict with these things. You seem to think I'm an FBI agent, but wallahi I'm not. I'll chill with the terrorist stuff.
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cb2d1d No.39753
>>39645
If shiite books contain kufr, then why should we consider PRACTICING shiite muslim? I'm not talking about the jahil who does not know this. I'm talking about the khamenis and ayadollars that believe that Allah literally visits al hussein's in iraq.
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06268d No.39755
>>39753
99.9% of Shia are just jahils. But your point is of course valid. Good luck getting Sunnis irl to understand this though. I had a nice big “Bomb Iran” magnet on my car for years and eventually my mosque board talked to me and asked me to remove it. One of the brothers is a Sunni Turkmen from Iraq ie a refugee whose country was taken by the Safawis. He kept telling me how “i saw shia crying at masjid al haram.” I took it off…. but I kept it and still put it on when im not at the masjid.
Bomb Iran.
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5b7912 No.39759
>>39755
>Bomb Iran
That would be an exceptionally stupid thing to do.
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66a5c9 No.39760
>>39759
Just curious, why would it be dumb to drop some bombs on the Mutah Regime?
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d60651 No.39761
>>39760
Do Shiite militias kill Sunnis often?
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66a5c9 No.39762
>>39761
>>39761
Yes but this brother was killed by the Iranian government not a militia. He taught people in rural Iran to stop worshipping graves and to stop cursing Ayisha raa and the sahaba ra. For this he was killed by Iran. He was not even allowed to say goodbye to his daughter Sara.
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3ba2a7 No.39763
>>39760
We're already bogged down in two wars that have gone one for nearly 20 years and you want to start another one?
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3ba2a7 No.39764
>>39762
So, you want to bomb people because a teacher got killed … smh
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66a5c9 No.39765
>>39763
>start another war
That’s not how I see it. I see bombing Iran as marking the end of the bloody 20 year Iranian-US war against hapless Sunnis. We are targeted because we don’t have centralized leadership anymore. Are you Sunni?
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d60651 No.39766
>>39765
Are those pictures from a documentary about the supposed US-Iranian secret alliance? I am sorry but I am finding this concept questionable, especially since there seems to be many officials in the US government that are very eager to start a war with Iran. They spent a great deal of effort in trying to remove Assad's shiite regime, and the US still has troops occupying half of Syria.
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66a5c9 No.39767
>>39766
>Are those pictures from a documentary about the supposed US-Iranian secret alliance?
I don’t know about such a documentary. The quotes are cited.
>I am sorry but I am finding this concept questionable, especially since there seems to be many officials in the US government that are very eager to start a war with Iran.
Don’t be sorry, you are asking good questions and I wish I am completely wrong, that would be a major relief but I can’t un-see the past 20 years that played out before my eyes. The US government is not a monolith on foreign policy and it wasn’t until 9/11 that the Iranophiles in Washington really had their day but this is now a twenty year long day. This is another reason to hate al qaeda and their imbecilic strategy. I seriously think they were stupid enough to think Shia unite with Sunnis even though they always support invaders whether mongol or crusader against sunnis. Shia only fight against Sunnis, except for a brief border skirmish between Iran and russia. Al Qaeda is so retarded and useless that the remaining Sunnis in Syria widely cut ties with them, half of AQ middle management is protected in Iran where they are “under house arrest.”
>They spent a great deal of effort in trying to remove Assad's shiite regime
Hardly. The pro-Sunni politicians like McCain, HRC, and Graham certainly wanted to remove Assad but the entire operation was hamstrung by the Iranophiles in washington. No red line on chemical weapons. No bombing Assad’s palaces. No stingers. No no fly zone. No foreign volunteers allowed to fight against Assad. Not one bomb dropped on a Nusayri head. Trump bombed a runway once after telling Assad to evacuate. The US focus was on fighting isis, not fighting assad. There were even NY times op/eds about how dumb this strategy was as recently as a few years ago.
>and the US still has troops occupying half of Syria.
They literally have orders to help communist kurds and not engage Assad forces and Shia militias. They are not there to help Sunnis.
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cb2d1d No.39784
>>39765
That’s not how I see it. I see bombing Iran as marking the end of the bloody 20 year Iranian-US war against hapless Sunnis. We are targeted because we don’t have centralized leadership anymore.
Exactly, you're woke and based. All the advantages iran has over the sunni was given by the west, their revolution was aided by france, they were supplied weps by israel and USA so they dont lose the iran iraq war, then they removed their main enemy saddam and the US went to war with the taliban, which iran wanted to get rid of, thus saving iran tons of money and effort. They literally gave them iraq on a silver platter. And in syria, the west just larps as anti assad, in reality they could have ended assad if they wanted just as they did gaddafi, but of course libya was a sunni country so its ok to destroy it but not alawite shia controlled syria.
The west would never let sunnis have centralized leadership, we all saw how it ended when Mullah Umar (ra) was declared amir al mumineen, the west jumped on them. But for shiites, they aid them so they can wreck havoc as the kuffar know the rafida mushrikin are more hateful towards the sunni muslim than any other kaffir. As they are munafiqoon, and munafiqoon are the biggest enemies of islam.
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66a5c9 No.39796
>>39784
Exactly bro and thanks for the compliment. When it comes to Saddam he can be bombed, followed into “spider holes”, and lynched. But when it comes to Assad he is untouchable and in the middle of a fake fight to remove him the IRGC is given $2 billion (the Shah’s old money plus interest and adjusted for inflation.) The lesson from Iraq and Syria is clear: If you attack a small village in your country you are in trouble but if you kill and displace more than half your country the world is in trouble, not you. Now Mosul is being claimed as a “historic shia city” and they are taking it over with government legal help. And now in Kashmir Iran is turning the shia there (who are famous for supporting India) against the Sunnis.
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187c1b No.39859
>ITT, Sunnis embarrassed that God has abandoned them in Iraq, is abandoning them in Yemen and will abandon them in Syria.
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77f678 No.39860
>>39859
Ali ibn Abu Talib RA will be far away from you, your people, and their shirk on the Day of Resurrection.
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3ba2a7 No.39861
>>39859
>lol Sunni bad
>>39860
>lol Shi'a bad
Since when do they let toddlers on 8chan?
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cb2d1d No.39862
>>39859
You are the ones allied with kaffirs, USA helping you in iraq against the sunni and russia helping you in syria against the sunni. May Allah curse you kaffir.
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77f678 No.39867
>>39861
>Since when do they let toddlers on 8chan
I don't know…when did you start posting here?
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66a5c9 No.39868
>>39859
>God is abandoning Sunnis
If by god you mean USA since Bush ii, sure. Enjoy it while it lasts. Iran was Sunni for twice as long as it has been Safawi. Who knows what can happen?
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66a5c9 No.39891
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d6571e No.39907
>>39891
>provide the medicine and surgery necessary to cure their disorder
>throw them off a roof for youtube brownie points
Gosh …
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a8b23b No.39908
>>39907
>>39907
If you think slicing up and inverting a penis into a faux vagina is a “cure” for anything you are ignorant or demented. Go back to /pol/. Or better yet go to Iran and find your trans wife.
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9cb209 No.39911
Serious question does the kaba has something to do with saturn worship ?
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77f678 No.39913
>>39911
No. And there is a whole thread dedicated to this topic here >>29961.
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cb2d1d No.39930
>>39868
<Muslim (2900) narrated from Naafi‘ ibn ‘Utbah who said:
<The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said:
“You will fight in the Arabian Peninsula, and Allah will enable you to prevail over it, then (you will fight in) Persia, and Allah will enable you to prevail over it, then you will fight in Byzantium and Allah will enable you to prevail over it, then you will fight the Dajjaal, and Allah will enable you to prevail over him.”
This hadith fits perfectly in our times.
>Arabian peninsula = GCC states
>Persia = Rafidhi iran
>Byzantium = Turkey (NATO)
>Dajjal = Israel (as ruler)
Muslims will fight them because all 4 are enemies of Islam. SubhanAllah, when has iran been more aggressive to islam in its history other than now?
The shiite think mahdi will come save baathists and secular socialists, they don't know their 12th imam is actually dajjal, as we know he will come from isfahan, iran and wear green scarves like the rafida do today, following the sunnah of dajjal.
Anas (May Allah be pleased with him) said:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Dajjal (the Antichrist) will be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan and will be dressed in robes of green coloured satin."
[Muslim]. Book 19, Hadith 5
It all fits like a perfect puzzle with other ahadith such as the one of khilafah on minhaj al nubuwa. They have no idea what's coming to them.
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