8afc03 No.39273
I've heard a while ago that the Assassins where muslims. O first thought it was a joke. I didn't even know that the assassins really existed. But they did. They were Nizari Ismailis, which is sect heresy. They also smoked hashish. That's where their name comes from.
So they aren't muslim. Because it's heresy, and that's not muslim. Or am I wrong?
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01f161 No.39276
>>39273
Yes, they really existed and, yes, they were a Muslim group.
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8afc03 No.39278
>>39276
So does that mean that Nizari Ismailis count as real muslims?
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01f161 No.39280
>>39278
Yeah, they're a branch of Shi'a - though there are some who don't consider anyone Muslim unless they're one particular little sect of one particular school of Sunni. Kind of like those Christians who believe anyone who isn't Southern Baptist can't be Christian.
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ede5b5 No.39284
>>39273
>>39278
If you're thinking about joining them or claiming to be one of them, you should know that they were disbanded 800 years ago and pretending to be one will just make you look like a sad LARPer.
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d3fd9f No.39287
>>39273
They didn't really smoke hashish. The proper origin for their name is probably Asāsīyūn (أساسيون).
>>39284
Actually, the Nizaris still exist, and they worship some British millionaire as their imam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan_IV
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ede5b5 No.39288
>>39287
I mean the Hashashin have been disbanded.
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01f161 No.39289
>>39287
They don't worship him. He's like their Pope. Nobody worships the Pope.
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01f161 No.39294
>>39292
Having an Imam is shirk?
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01f161 No.39307
>>39306
Well, it's a good thing nobody does that, then. Every group has a leader. Having a leader is not shirk.
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80bae4 No.39323
>>39321
They've been around longer than wahhabis.
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d3fd9f No.39324
>>39289
>Nobody worships the Pope.
That's questionable at best.
>>39323
Name one idea that Muhammad ibn Abdu'l-Wahhab taught that was new. There is no such thing as "Wahhabism." It's just Sunni Islam.
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91a6e5 No.39327
>>39325
>all Sunni follow al-Wahhab
>Try again, Jihadi.
false equivalence logical fallacy
Al-Wahhab taught people to return to the Quran and Sunnah, instead of praying to saints and worshiping graves. All Sunni are supposed to follow the Quran and Sunnah.
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01f161 No.39328
>>39327
Yeah, but we don't need al-Wahhab to know that. The fact that the most virulent and aggressive Sunni use al-Wahhab as their personal Pope proves more than anyone else needs to know.
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01f161 No.39331
>>39329
Basically the Catholics of Islam. Too much Pope, too much ceremony, too much "we're the only right way" bullcrap.
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91a6e5 No.39332
>>39328
It is more the case that the term “Wahhabi” gets thrown around by all kinds of people to describe any ‘virulent and aggressive Sunni’ group. Using the term in those ways is like slandering him by comparing him to those groups. I don’t think you have read any of his books. He books are filled with more Quran verses and hadith than his own writings. People should know that he stopped there from being four different prayer groups around the Kaaba. They should know the reason Saudi Arabia isn’t filled with little Karbalas everywhere is because of him.
>>39330
Why do you speak without knowledge? His name was Abd al-Wahhab. The work ‘abd’ is loosely translated to ‘servant of’…but you might have to actually read a book to know that. Ever heard of the name Abdullah? Abd-Allah?
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01f161 No.39333
>>39332
Basically not the name of Allah, but the jackass that started the movement of "we're the only true Muslims and we need to kill everyone not like us" asshole.
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91a6e5 No.39334
>>39333
You are a liar. Provide a source for what you claim, from Muhammad ibn abd al-Wahhab's writings. They are thousands of different versions and translations available in many languages. Provide a single statement of his that comes even close to "we're the only true Muslims and we need to kill everyone not like us". You can't. All you can do is call people names and make sh*t up to pretend like you are intelligent.
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01f161 No.39335
>>39334
IT doesn't come from his writings. It comes from his followers. Even on this board, if you don't follow al-Wahhab, you're called a "rafidi" or "jidf" or "kafr" or whatever. The people who read al-Wahhab's texts jump into that cult so deeply that they think they can chop off heads and hijack airplanes and kill anyone who isn't part of their little cult.
Prove me wrong.
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7632a3 No.39336
>>39334
By their fruits you will know them. Gettng sick of this crap. Either produce good fruits or gtfo my board.
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91a6e5 No.39337
>>39336
How is does Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab have anything to do with what you prohibited people from talking on this board? He lived in the 17th century and has nothing to do with any modern extremist group.
People throwing around the term "Wahabbi" and slandering him by comparing him to those assholes is what is wrong.
I have spent more time arguing against those ISIS posters on this board than most people.
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91a6e5 No.39338
>>39335
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ammaar_Yasir_Qadhi
This liberal guy is a fan of ABD al-Wahhab's writings and has done extensive lectures on some his books. If you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldn't talk about it.
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7632a3 No.39339
>>39337
I'll make this simple. By their fruits shall you know them. Anyone who is going to sit on this board and spit on other people obviously bear bad fruit. Let's end this crap now, shall we?
We can discuss more.
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91a6e5 No.39340
>>39339
Explain why I cannot defend a historical Islamic figure from inaccurate statements.
Like this >>39333
>Basically not the name of Allah, but the jackass that started the movement of "we're the only true Muslims and we need to kill everyone not like us" asshole.
That is a lie. I called him a liar. Am I not supposed to do that?
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7632a3 No.39341
>>39340
You can defend a historical figure as long as you let others do the same. That's not happening, though. People are defending al-Wahhab … but getting pissed off when people defend al-Ibad.
Can't eat your cake and have it too. All you have to do is hide/ignore people who disagree with you. If you can't do that …
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91a6e5 No.39342
>>39340
I don’t think there is a single recorded time when Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab ever made takfir of any other Muslim. Not Sufis, Shiites, Ibadhis. Saying something that blatantly false is a serious slander. Slandering people takes away their good deeds.
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91a6e5 No.39343
>>39341
I don't even know who al-Ibad is, Walahi. I will have to google it.
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91a6e5 No.39344
>>39341
Well I wasn't one of the guys hopping IPs and trashing Ibadhis. I barely know anything about them.
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91a6e5 No.39345
Why do so many threads have to devolve into slandering Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab? You want to get mad at me for defending him because other people that defend him said bad things about someone else? I think the ones making all these claims about Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab should provide evidence (as in evidence with references that actually exists) of the things that they claim he has said and done. If they don’t, they are liars.
Prove me wrong.
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91a6e5 No.39351
>>39347
He is a Muslim that speaks without knowledge and has no Ahklaq.
>>39348
Nizari are Muslims that have some practices which involve shirk. The Muslims living in Najd before Abd al-Wahhab's reformation did the exact same kinds of things.
There is literally no benefit from calling other Muslims kufar. Just because it is on the internet and you are typing words doesn’t make it any less serious. It is safe to call people from the Nation of Islam kufar, because they deny that Muhammad PBUH was the last Prophet and deny the hearafter.
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2b0f67 No.39353
>>39332
What the f*ck did you just f*cking say about Taṣawwuf, you wahhabi terrorist? I'll have you know I have made pilgrimage to every shrine reaching a spiritual level where I no longer need to pray or bathe, and I call upon over 300 different saints daily. I am trained in karamat and I'm the top Sufi in all of the Tariqa. You are nothing to me but just another Salafi. I will reeducate you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my f*cking words. You think you can get away with saying that sh*t over the Internet? Think again, f*cker. As we speak I am sitting with Al-Khidr in his secret cave and he is using his knowledge of the unseen to pinpoint your location so you better prepare for the storm, wahhabi. The storm that enlightens the pathetic little thing you call your Aqidah. You're f*cking mysticised, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can innovate in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in Milad un Nabi, but I have access to all of the powers of Abdul-Qadir Gilani and I will use it to its full extent to call upon my dead ancestors to spiritually heal your heart, you little sh*t. If only you could have known what holy asceticism your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your f*cking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you damn wahhabi. I will whirl dervish all over you and you will drown in love. You'll be listening to music and drinking wine by the end of the day, kiddo.
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0c8526 No.39354
They helped the crusaders to help get rid of the turks. They're traitors to islam and are terrorists. I used to admire those guys but after knowing that I feel betrayed. How could they do that?
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0c8526 No.39355
>>39327
It's just Islam for sociopaths.
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de37c8 No.39357
>>39273
Yup. Plus they believe their Imam is infallible. And he's the same guy to who's private island Trudeu occasionally disappears.
Plus his son married a kaffir model and he abolished the hijab. He also abolished two prayers and made drinking in moderation halal. Oh and he made taqiyya haram too.
There's a bunch of shady stuff surrounding him and his family. He has contacts with many major world leaders and owns Ismaili forts and castles in Northern Pakistan.
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de37c8 No.39358
>>39289
They worship him just like the jews worship their scholars because he decides haram and halal for them.
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de37c8 No.39359
>>39345
That's because the rawafidh have been taught to use wahhabism as a red herring whilst pretending to be sunnis. The mistake we make is that we go on and start chasing said red herring. In such a situation it is best to force the Rafidi/Kharaji/Kaffir/Communist to answer your point by asking the question again instead of being distracted.
It's almost like any criticism of Christianity will be replied to by talking about jihad.
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de37c8 No.39360
>>39354
Why would anyone admire them except because they played Assassin's Creed too much.
They've been despised by everyone including their allies. The founder of the hashishiyyin killed his childhood friend and patron,Nizam ul Mulk,and then proceeded to drug the poor uneducated youth and forced/fooled them into killing using cowardly techniques. The Hashishiyyin by everyone from the Franks to the Mongols and were massacred by everyone from Saladin to Hulagu to Aurangzeb.
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79ab67 No.39364
>>39333
Lol, read Kitab at-Tauhid and see if you can argue against the Sheikh’s actual teachings instead of attacking the strawman.
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79ab67 No.39366
>>39336
>by their fruits
Ugh, literally using the same biblical line crosscucks use against Prophet Muhammad only using it against Abdul Wahhab. It doesn’t make any more sense to blame the Sheikh for Daesh than it does to blame the Prophet. Truly disappointing. So in other words you cannot cite anything problematic from the sheikh’s writings but you blame him for Daesh? No blame on thirty years of starvation sanctions, bombings, invasions, twelver death squads that made Iraqi muslims snap. You need a long dead fall guy that bad huh? Abdul Wahhab’s teachings are not only claimed (falsely) by Daesh but by Saudi and its political enemy Qatar just as two examples. Pic related is Ibn Abdul Wahhab Masjid in Qatar.
So KSA, and Qatar are the real “fruit”, Daesh is a couple thousand Sunnis who went insane and are vilified both rightly and wrongly. Daesh was always a mixed bag but the bad outweighs the good by this point and has now for years when they transgressed bounds and then reveled in it and made it their calling card.
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79ab67 No.39367
>>39357
At least the Ismailis give all their money to their Imam. I know christian girls I grew up with who whore around/lose job from topless photos then get sent “on mission” to Africa to trick Muslims into worshipping Prophet Jesus.
Ismailis are the real shia. Twelve Imams? Lol. Real shia have 49!
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91a6e5 No.39370
>>39355
Have you read Kitab at-Tawhid? Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab’s books are pretty much compilations of hadith and Quran verses on specific topics. He did make lots of people angry saying that they couldn’t pray to Muhammad PBUH and their ‘saints’. How sociopathic is that.
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c6cc4c No.39371
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c6cc4c No.39372
>>39367
>zaydi shia
bro tier
>twelver shia
heretic tier
>ismaili shia
oh ☻ n*gger wtf are u doing
>alawi shia
brainlet heretic tier
>bahai shia
JUST
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c8ee3c No.39377
>>39372
Yeah Zaydis are usually bro-tier but be careful the houthi leadership are suspected, even by some Zaydis, of secretly being twelvers now.
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a6a54e No.39393
>>39357
>his son married a kaffir model
Not just him. His father also married the kafir model Rita Hayworth who divorced him after catching him dancing with — surprise! — another model (Joan Fontaine). What makes this even more tragic is that Rita Hayworth was actually considering converting to Islam and may have been put off from doing so by this whole affair.
>>39372
Baha'ism has little to do with Shi'ism except in a genetic sense. There's good reason to believe that Baha'ism was created by the British. In any case, they have always been pawns for them and for Israel (or any ruler they feel they can curry favour with), so the Twelvers of Iran rightfully despise them.
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c6cc4c No.39440
>>39377
Yeah bro, houthe are becoming twelver influence because iran is paying them.
>>39393
I just put it there for the lulz, but weird to think most heretic sects comes from the heresy of twelver shiism, druze is actually also a shiite super heretic sect.
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a746fb No.39455
>>39367
I just think the ismailis are gullible kaffirs. However the Aga Khan Family are the real dajjal here.
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a746fb No.39456
>>39393
The Aga Khans are just disgusting. I remember when I actually thought shias were our brothers but the more I read their texts the more I'm beginning to hate them. I remember this video where a shia brings his girlfriend to speaker's corner and the brothers there are about to bring her back to the fold of Islam and he just snaps and literally drags her away as she looks at him all confused.
Just disgusting.
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20214f No.39458
>>39456
I remember that. The shia stopped his mutah whore from becoming muslim.
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dc77c3 No.39461
>>39458
No need to insult her . Hopefully she either left her rafidi boyfriend or they're both muslim now.
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9ab1e2 No.43594
>>39288
I have this idea for a romance novel where the two main male characters are a white guy who is a chad football player and secretly a direct descendant of the last surviving Templar Knight, and a middle-eastern guy who is an edgelord in a punk band and he's also secretly the last surviving descendant of the Assassins, and they have all kinds of sick-ass magical powers and they fight each other and the main character in the book is this basic ass white girl and both guys have a crush on her and they're basically like her Edward and Jacob.
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