a4381b No.37326
Discussion relating to Afghanistan history, current events, and other Afghan discussion will be in this thread. Daily reminder the Taliban are not and have never been designated as a “terrorist organization” by the United States. Taliban soldiers are considered enemy combatants whose rights are protected under the Geneva Convention which Afghanistan signed in 1949.
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a4381b No.37327
>Afghanistan’s Taliban and U.S. representatives have held six rounds of peace talks since October in the Gulf state of Qatar, where the group maintains a political office.
>While there have been significant steps toward a deal to end the nearly 18 years of war, those diplomatic gains have come with some costs — namely travel costs for the Taliban, according to the spokesman for the Democratic chair of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense.
>Kevin Spicer, the spokesman for Indiana Democrat Pete Visclosky, told Roll Call that the Trump administration asked Congress for funds to cover the Taliban’s costs for transportation, lodging, food and supplies.
>“The Defense Department requested fiscal 2020 funding to support certain reconciliation activities, including logistic support for members of the Taliban and, in March 2019, they sent a notification letter to the Committee on using fiscal year 2019 funds for similar activities,” Spicer said. He added that the request “would implicate provisions of law concerning material support to terrorists… ."
>Consequently, Visclosky’s committee approved a defense spending bill for fiscal 2020 on Wednesday that bars reimbursing the Taliban.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/05/17/not-duffel-blog-pentagon-wants-to-reimburse-taliban-for-travel-to-peace-talks-says-report/
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a4381b No.37328
>ISLAMABAD —
>The Taliban’s chief negotiator says in newly released remarks that the United States is on the verge of defeat and will quit Afghanistan soon “either of their own accord, or they will be forced out.”
>Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanekzai made the assertions in an April 28 speech to an “internal gathering” in Doha, Qatar, just two days before he led his team of insurgent negotiators into fresh talks with U.S. interlocutors. Pro-Taliban social media outlets Friday released video of Stanekzai's speech, one day after the U.S. special reconciliation envoy, Zalmay Khalilzad, and his team wrapped up the week-long negotiations with Taliban representatives in the Qatari capital.
>In the speech, Stanekzai praised what he called the bravery of the Afghan nation for defeating past British and Soviet invasions of their country and resisting the current foreign military presence, referring to the U.S.-led coalition, which is training and advising pro-government forces in battles against the Taliban.
>“God has helped us defeat three super powers in the last century. The third super power that we are currently confronted with is also on the verge of defeat, inshallah (God willing). You will soon hear they also will withdraw (from Afghanistan) either of their own accord or they will be forced out,” Stanekzai told the gathering.
>Former US defense chief warning
>On Saturday, former U.S. Defense Chief Robert Gates said there is a "real risk" that if American troops withdraw from Afghanistan before the Afghan government is stable, the Taliban might retake control of the country.
https://www.voanews.com/a/afghan-taliban-chief-negotiator-says-us-on-verge-of-defeat/4915191.html
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79a014 No.37332
>The price tag of the ongoing “war on terror” in the Middle East will likely top $6 trillion next year, and will reach $7 trillion if the conflicts continue into the early 2020s, according to a new report out Wednesday.
>Direct military spending in Iraq and Afghanistan make up nearly $1.8 trillion in costs, but researchers estimate the long-term health care of veterans from those wars could equal or surpass that figure in coming decades.
<Surat Al-'Anfāl (The Spoils of War) - [8:36] سورة الأنفال
"Indeed, those who disbelieve spend their wealth to avert [people] from the way of Allah . So they will spend it; then it will be for them a [source of] regret; then they will be overcome. And those who have disbelieved - unto Hell they will be gathered."
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24c1d2 No.37339
>>37332
There is ukranian politic named Mustafa Nayem(he is pushtun, get citizenship of this country, was cop and killed russian separatist with russian invaders - chechens, bashkirs), he said that talibs are foreign influence for afhgan's nations, and afgans are closer and are to sufi afhgan's taricate with medation and music, and it take many from buddhism(at first tohars and other ancient afhgan's nations was buddhist and mani).
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24c1d2 No.37343
>>37339
Also Mustafa Nayem is a former nazi-skinhead.
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79a014 No.37363
>>37339
>>37343
Who cares what a traitor thinks?
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4be51d No.37622
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b6dcf1 No.37657
The BBC is given rare access to see life under the Taliban
Sixteen years after they were ousted in the US-led invasion, the Taliban have fought their way back to control swathes of Afghanistan. The country remains mired in conflict, and recent months have seen a series of bloody attacks. In the south, key towns are now Taliban territory. The BBC's Auliya Atrafi was invited by the militants to spend four days behind the front line in Helmand province witnessing life under their control.
In the town of Sangin, two dozen men sat cross-legged inside a huge mud compound. Under the full moon, their black turbans cast deep shadows over their sunburned features.
These were the Taliban's special forces; the Red Unit. They sat quietly as they listened to their commander Mullah Taqi telling war stories, gently cradling their M4 machine guns. The M4s, with their night-vision scopes, were one of the main reasons they had captured nearly 85% of Helmand province from less-well-armed Afghan forces.
But these victories had presented Taliban leaders with an unexpected challenge.
The people they now ruled had lived with government services for more than a decade. Schools, hospitals, development - residents had become accustomed to them. So how could a group entirely focused on taking territory evolve into one that could attempt to run it?
Continued
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40171379
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3c4718 No.37716
Anybody know what happened to the Taliban after they ousted the Russian? I heard that there is some infighting but is it true?
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79a014 No.37723
>>37716
The mujahideen were a mix of fighters from all backgrounds and sects, but after the soviets they split into two main camps, the taliban run by Mullah Omar which wanted an emirate and was pledged as caliph, and northern alliance run by ahmed shah masoud which was more secular and supported by the kaffireen (iran, india, russia, usa). The same northern alliance today is the so called afghan army which is backed by USA in conflict since 2001. This is kind of similar to syria, where in the early days there was a mix of secular and islamic groups, then as time went on they split and it became secularism vs shariah.
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1ad9c8 No.37739
>>37723
Thats a valid view. My simple view is this:
After the Soviet withdrawal there remained hundreds of so-called “warlords.” They set up areas of influence around Afghanistan. The Taliban were a group of warlords that renounced this corrupt anarchy and united under Islam to form a functional islamic administration. Then they proceeded to enter negotiations to assimilate other groups and forcibly took villages from corrupt warlords - all the while implementing islamic law. Apparently one Talib member in the fog of war burned down an empty schoolhouse 20 years ago and this has been the main propaganda against the Taliban since. The Taliban are the rightful government of Afghanistan and what I expect is they will eventually transform the country to be like a sunni agrarian version of Iran or similar to Saudi Arabia before oil was found.
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79a014 No.37743
>>37739
They will do fine economically once the kaffirs are out, Afghanistan has great mining potential and lot's of rare earths and lithium, which in this digital age are like the new oil. Ideally, they would unite in some way with pakistan and break the fake border aka anglo durand line. This would not only unite pashtuns but also form a sunni superpower in khurasan, giving them access to naval ports freeing them from their landlocked state, a good military fabrication industry and of course, nukes which are good deterrence.
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3c4718 No.37758
>>37723
>>37739
Thanks!
>>37743
>Afghan + Pakistan
I wish. I feel like Pakistan is too drunk on nationalism for now. A good idea though.
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53bb2a No.37762
>>37743
It has rare metals and rare gems, but the goverment is corrupt beyond believe
most mines are either controlled by foreigners (like the salt mines, did you know they sell that pink salt blocks as "Himalayan salt"?) or you could mine on your own, and the government takes 70%
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79a014 No.37763
>>37758
>I wish. I feel like Pakistan is too drunk on nationalism for now. A good idea though.
That's true but events are gradually peeling that away, the talib / paki border is extremely porous, same with the kashmiri side. I find this idea realistic and conceivable in the short term for an actual caliphate. Pakistan has been largely left alone because of it's nuclear deterrent. Combined, these two countries stand to give muslims a breathing space for development and could pressure china to stop oppressing uyghurs. If china complies trade can continue and belt and road project will be safer.
>>37762
>but the goverment is corrupt beyond believe
Yeah we know, we are discussing a post US proxy govt era. Some groups like taliban and ISKP are already making millions off lapis lazuli and talc mines already.
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8d50e6 No.37764
>>37763
I feel for our uighur brothers and sisters. I also feel for our rohingya muslim families. At this point I think both should leave and go to Europe. China and Burma are both kaffir wastelands anyway and while the muslims there are a drop in the bucket they can be more impactful in small european countries. Have you heard of the Eurabia conspiracy or read the book Submission by the kaffir Houllebecq? Their nightmares are my fantasy. We only need to flip ONE western Euro country to Muslim majority. ONE. We need a toehold in Europe, especially after we lost al Andalus. It will mean another nuclear muslim state and combined with Turkey we will have muslim-atheist Nato instead of xionist-christian nato.
This fat gay atheist Rasmusen is burning qurans and wants muslims out. Um ok. We only need one country, cast a wide net and double down on a good country like sweden germany uk.
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8d50e6 No.37765
>>37762
The himalayan salt mines are owned by Pakistani family. They live in the US but they are Pakistani. It is the Anjum family and their company is WBM International. They are muslims. They have one of their mansion in my city.
https://wbminternational.com/home
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8d50e6 No.37767
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be5b04 No.37770
>>37767
Who is Daesh? Why are they interrupting Pakistan ISI and begrieving our dear leader Imam Pasha?
These daesh people should remember the part of the Quran where it says to swear fealty to the American joint chiefs of staff
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1ad9c8 No.37772
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79a014 No.37773
>>37772
No such thing, if they had the means I'm sure they would. Stop making up new terms to sound fancy.
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1ad9c8 No.37781
>>37773
>>37773
Sounds like you lean pro-taliban and pro-daesh, ignoring that daesh call taliban kuffar and attack them. You seem that confused and cut off from reality. Am I right? Why dont you get behind a proxy and tell us how great daesh khawarij are? Too scared to praise your “caliphate”? Fake caliphate, fake khawarij, fake everything.
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1ad9c8 No.37782
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be5b04 No.37783
>>37781
Hey buddy the kaffir board is >>>/pol/
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a4a5da No.37784
>>37783
Post reported for making takfir violating board rules. I shouldnt be amazed that after twenty years of jihad just when the Taliban has reached the height of its power and legitimacy on the world stage Daesh and Dae☻es spring up to destroy the fruits of Jihad and stab them in the back. Truly despicable lost causes your lot are. You even make khurooj from the TALIBAN. Let that sink in.
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1b2f97 No.37785
>>37784
Part of daesh religious tradition is calling everyone that doesn’t agree with them a kaafir. It also involves killing everyone that doesn’t follow them, not taking jizya and just killing them instead, killing anyone who gets in the way, and killing anyone who might be some kind of inconvenience. We should be respectful to people of other religions and be aware of their traditions.
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d814d1 No.37787
>>37785
I recall some Daesh propaganda that showed crosscucks paying them jizya in mosul. I think daesh would love to take jizya from kuffar so they can use the money to kill more sunnis.
And yes I give daesh credit for one thing: fighting shia militias. But they dont have a monopoly on that. The attacks of daesh in europe and the US are treacherous, despicable, unislamic, counterproductive.
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79a014 No.37793
>>37781
What are you talking about? You seem upset.
>>37785
That's just false.
>>37782
>>37784
>mfw it's only jihad when saudi supports it
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f6c898 No.37826
Guys I’ve seen the error in my keyboard ansar methods. I will acknowledges that the Taliban obviously does the better jizya because they tax heroin poppy, US tax dollars bribes to fight khurasan, and shoot girls in the head (just look at Bilal Abdul Kareem in his youtube letsplay channel trying to wage jihad on a teenage girl)
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f6c898 No.37827
Frogposters in this thread worshipping a frog imagine my shock
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f6c898 No.37828
>>37787
Educating Nazarenes and taking the jizya is permissible but if they proselytize they get the nailgun’d-to-cross punishment.
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79a014 No.37832
>MFW shaking hands with putin the butcher of sunnis of sham is allowed because Qatar supports it.
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067c3f No.38315
It seems that no one here is knowledgeable about Afghanistan. This is a learning opportunity to explain to those who do not know.
The mujahideen, most prominently Jamiat-i-Islami, fought the USSR until their withdrawal, and the Afghan government headed by Najibullah until their surrender. After the end of the fighting, there was to be an interim government of mujahideen commanders to form the post-war government. One Pashtun named Hekmatyar, a warlord who spent more time fighting actual mujahideen forces rather than fighting the USSR troops, decided that he would not share power with any of the other mujahideen commanders, and promptly attacked Kabul hoping to monopolize power. In response, Ahmad Shah Massoud's forces were able to enter the city and defeated Hekmatyar's troops. Even so, Massoud offered the position of Prime Minister to Hekmatyar, but Hekmatyar refused and his Hezb-e Gulbuddin allied with the Shia Hezb-e Wahdat and Communist Junbish in order to defeat Jamiat-i-Islami. Despite the massive international aid by India, Pakistan, Russia, America, Iran, Saudi, etc, they proved unable to defeat Massoud's forces, but for four years the alliance of Shia, Pashtuns, and Communists had rocketed Kabul daily, killing more than 100,000 Kabulis.
In the south, Hekmatyar had become quite powerful and Hezb-e Gulbuddin commanders committed any crime they wanted to in Kandahar and Helmand, but the Taliban, who had recently emerged from the children who had lived in Pakistan as refugees while the mujahideen fought the Soviets, replaced Hekmatyar as Pakistan's main group. The Taliban claimed they were destroying Hekmatyar's and other Pashtun warlords who had abused the people of the south and they quickly destroyed the various warlords in the south. The Taliban then set their sights upon the north, they eventually defeated the Hezb-e Wahdat and Junbish forces, but were never able to defeat Jamiat-i-Islami. The CIA attempted to get Ahmad Shah Massoud and Jamiat-i-Islami to surrender to the Taliban, but Ahmad Shah Massoud refused. CIA agents also visited Massoud to command him to not make gains against the Taliban.
This Western policy changed after the Taliban allies attacked the towers and American decided to intervene and give air support to the Jamiat troops who stormed across the country liberating many cities, but the Americans did not like the Jamiat or Northern Alliance people, and decided that the subsequent government would be run by Afghan diaspora with loyalty to the West, so-called technocrats who had not lived in Afghanistan for decades when America had brought them back, such as Ghani. The current government has zero support, not in the North of the country where the Northern Alliance groups are still the most popular, and neither in the south of the country, where the Taliban are popular.
There is talk of an interim government, a government would include both the Northern Alliance and Taliban that have been left out by the current government, and the Taliban have agreed to a ceasefire under a potential interim government that includes them. These calls for an interim government that creates peace recently exploded, because the current president's term had ended a month ago, but he refuses to leave office. The problem is that the current president Ghani in particular, does not want to leave power despite his immense unpopularity, and is unwilling to put peace in the country over him running for a second term.
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a3a7bd No.38318
Just wanted to point out that sister Yvonne Ridley embraced Islam after being captured by the Taliban and seeing how respectfully they treated her (lowering their haze and not touching her) and let her go as soon as they found out she wasn't a spy
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5b35e9 No.38387
>>38315
>There is talk of an interim government, a government would include both the Northern Alliance and Taliban that have been left out by the current government, and the Taliban have agreed to a ceasefire under a potential interim government that includes them.
This is autistic, why would you ally with a puppet govt?
>>38318
>Yvonne Ridley embraced Islam after being captured by the Taliban
so?
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22dc45 No.38957
>>38955
Quran vs edgy anti-Taliban Memes.
Tough choice.
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5b35e9 No.38963
>>38957
>walaa to taghut & peace withmuharib is the same as peace treaty
lol tell me when USA will incline to peace in syria, somalia, Libya, iraq, burkina faso
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0e176a No.38982
>>38977
>we behead all american politicians
First, nice try FBI.
>we
Second, you don't have the balls to do anything but post online.
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ccfc13 No.38996
>>38992
Stop this cry for help and visit http://www.muslimruler.com to understand you owe an obligation to the rulers Allah put over our jaamat and if you see evil in them it is only because of a greater evil in the people. You need to be deradicalized ie given Islamic and vocational education, good job, and a wife. I guarantee you are radical because you lack these things.
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ccfc13 No.39001
>>38998
Attacking civilians = haram.
Fighting an enemy more than twice your strength = haram.
Fighting the muslim rulers = haram.
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