7f6028 No.37172
How did the heck did 2nd generation Muslims (Millenials and Gen Z) in the West become sympathetic to such heresies which Allah and his Prophets (AS) condemned? This is getting way out of control!!
The image you see here is a photo taken at an all women gay friendly "mosque" which their unaccepted Jamaat is lead by a female.
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07dcfe No.37176
I guess this is a way for these deviant freaks to not fully apostatize. Eunuchs and women can pray together i guess if they want, these are not real men.
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5d8cea No.37177
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>>37172
>How did the heck did 2nd generation Muslims (Millenials and Gen Z) in the West become sympathetic to such heresies which Allah and his Prophets (AS) condemned? This is getting way out of control!!
Ya akhi this is agony, this is happening because their parents have not prioritized the akhira of their children and what raising them in dar ul kufr will do. What do you (western muslims) expect when you drop your children in the belly of the devil? If they do not take precaution they will be gradually dissolved among the kuffar and become like them, taking as allies and having affection for them above muslims, imitating them and joining in their shirki ideologies, such as feminism, democracy, socialism, homosexuality. If this is the second generation imagine the next ones, they will be lost into a fog of kufr and shirk. With no one to guide them but weak willed like >>37176 or pro sodomites. And we know they will not stop until you have apostatized from your religion.
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7f6028 No.37179
>>37176 I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that they have already apostized for having the audacity to claim what's deemed Haram as permissible cause "Muh current year!"
"wUt X mEaNz tO mE cUz MuH fEeLs"
I'd honestly rather have these freaks become part of r/exmuslims than try to taint our Deen from within.
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7f6028 No.37180
>>37179
(In addition) There are men in their poorly congregational "prayers"
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7f6028 No.37181
>>37177
You're right on that. Money and "quality education" is what encourages these parents to move out. What's happening in the West is the first step, there's already some pressure on the Muslim World by (Human Rights and LGBT Campaigns) to accept ☻ry into society.
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2e3328 No.37182
And who let this happen? The boomer Muslims that chose to go to western countries to corrupt their children. The burden of their sins is on us now.
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438c43 No.37185
>>37172
This is what happens when turbo-asharis start increasing in popularity. When life gets comfortable for some, they lose sense of practicality and this gives way to botched-philosophies.
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5d8cea No.37211
>>37181
I'm afraid that these weak muslims will put other muslims in danger by their sins. When muslims become weak and stop quit their duties as muslims, Allah (swt) humiliates them. No matter how they compromise or bend to the will of the gays, jews and christians they will never be satisfied until they become non muslim. So they will keep hating them and preparing militias against muslims, even though muslims are keen to please the kaffireen.
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b1ac18 No.37228
Amerimutts and their 'ajmi cousins are the ones spending all their efforts trying to export their degenerate culture and all the sexual deviancies it consists of like homosexuality, cross-dressing and zoophilia. These people won't be satisfied until everyone in the world is putting their dicks into everything except women.
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115418 No.37230
>>37172
>How did the heck did 2nd generation Muslims (Millenials and Gen Z)
Akh don't lump us zoomers in with them, we have nothing to do with this degeneracy.
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7f6028 No.37234
>>37230
Most Zoomers are Centrist leaning closer to regressive Liberalism. While it may look like they're "so based", they're actually only doing it ironically cause it's edgy. Many of are okay with the LGBT garbage and it doesn't it make it any different from Millenials.
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7f6028 No.37235
>>37185
Tell me more on the Aqeedah of Asharis. I hear a lot of criticism about them.
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b1ac18 No.37236
>>37185
Except most Asharis are Malikis that consider it completely invalid for a woman to lead any prayer in any congregation. If anything it's the result of modernist mumbo-jumbo that wants to reject the established madhabs.
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b1ac18 No.37240
>>37230
Seems fair, the pic doesn't really include any young people.
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5d8cea No.37244
>>37235
Let's not get into this, I'm sure true asharis are against this degeneracy.
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438c43 No.37251
>>37235
It'd probably be better if you read from their own sources and decided on it by yourself; Allahu A'lam. But I've seen people get lured in by nothing except their outward display of 'intellect'.
Personally, the problem I have with them is that many of them that I came across latch on to philosophy, which is meant to be used as nothing more than a mere tool, so much so that sometimes it seems like they put it above even the Quran. If you stay around their groups and read/hear what they often say, you'll feel like these people think that they, their shuyookh and the scholars they idolise know Islam better than the Prophet(SAWS) himself and the sahabah(RA), Astagfirullah. But if you confront them about it, ofc, they'll accuse you of reading too much into it. From my personal experience, they argue in bad faith while thinking that they are superior in their rationale and logic. Ironically enough, most of their "refutations" against others that I read, betray this.
Pit them against an atheist who actually know what they're talking about and you'll see that they'll reduce their aggressiveness that they throw at other muslims.
I cannot speak for all of them but all in all, hanging around the gathering places of these people and reading from them has left a bad lasting impression on me. The asharis/maturidis do not go as far as the kharijis, mutazilis, rafidis, etc. obviously. But some of the sentiments they all/some of them share are problematic, nonetheless.
>>37236
>>37244
Give it some time and we''ll see for ourselves how nu-ashari views change over time. I've already seen some of their "shuyookh" discussing how things like men wearing tight clothing is completely fine. How we should refrain from attacking "western values". How we shouldn't only rely on the Quran and Hadith "as if they were magic spells". Allusions to how Islam wouldn't be anything without 'adopting' certain things, Astagfirullah. etc. etc.
Also, if you talk to some of those "progressive moslems" you'll realise that many of them repeat ashari talking points to support their views(whether or not they completely understand those points, Allahu A'lam).
But I digress.
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b1ac18 No.37252
>>37251
>some of their "shuyookh" discussing how things like men wearing tight clothing is completely fine
give examples
>if you talk to some of those "progressive moslems" you'll realise that many of them repeat ashari talking points
Give examples.
I can easily say that the "progressive moslems" repeat talking points of a certain "firqah" that calls for the rejection of classical scholarship and radical re-interpretation of everything by everyone and saying that the Muslim Ummah have been astray for centuries because that's exactly what's happening.
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438c43 No.37253
>>37252
-There's a certain ashari "sheikh" who studied Islam in uk. I was mainly alluding to him. I'm sure you know about him(or multiple people who fit the bill, who knows). Search for his articles/talks. I don't want to link him here.
-start with reddit.com/r/Islam
If you distinguish between "classical muslims" and "early muslims" and say stuff like "Islam had to be approached differently since circumstances differed greatly at the time of the Prophet(SAWS), the "classical muslims" and our current time", maybe you shouldn't bash on these moslems OP is referring to. I've seen asharis say that we shouldn't support execution of problematic murtads(despite accepting that it's a valid ruling) because "current year", "current political and social environment", etc.(This same person wasn't someone I'd say belongs in the group OP mentioned). In the past, I've asked these people to provide proof for their claims. And, surprisingly enough, they often have.(Even if reading through their "proofs" only showed their strawmanning)
>rejection of classical scholarship and radical re-interpretation
lol, it's a good thing that some people were born over a thousand year after the death of people like Ahmad ibn Hanbal. Else they'd refuse there are 4 madhabs and indirectly takfir him and/or slander him as they do with other scholars.
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b1ac18 No.37254
>>37253
>source: that ashari shaykh from UK
Well duuuh of course, that guy, how could I not have realized it? Hey, you think he's related to that salafi shaykh from USA???
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438c43 No.37256
>>37254
learn2google brother. I already gave a couple hints in both of my comments. But if you want another one so badly…
Just from my search right now, he's the sheikh that recently posted that importance of sex during ramadan(not during the day ofc) supercedes the importance of taraweeh. And he quoted 2:187 as daleel. Stating that qiyam is important, but sex is so important that God mentioned it during ramadan in the Quran.
And with that, I'll leave this convo since I'm sure nothing much will come off of it. And the thread isn't about this matter in particular.
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b1ac18 No.37257
>>37256
>Just from my search right now
Post it
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5d8cea No.37259
>>37256
Hey some people break their fast with sex you can do both.
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115418 No.37261
>>37234
>Most Zoomers are Centrist leaning closer to regressive Liberalism.
That's only because zoomer kufs don't have Islam, the same can't be said for Muslim zoomers.
>While it may look like they're "so based", they're actually only doing it ironically cause it's edgy.
No, we have deep philosophical discussions about our positions, the memes are post-ironic, that's just how we spread those ideas.
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e5c3c3 No.37281
globohomo converts using pleasure, porn, luxury and comfort.
The arguments and justifications come after the soul is corrupted by devils.
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2e3328 No.37282
>>37281
Many of whom consider fornication justifiable.
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