/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

There's no doubt that apostates and zanadiqa are heavily funded in an organized manner to attack Islam and undermine Muslim structures, this is very noticeable in the Muslim/Arab world. The media plays the largest role in this. Many western countries even do it openly, eg with the case of all the atheist criminals in Saudi Arabia that are defended and championed, usually under the guise of protecting feminism, human rights, freedom of religion etc.

Of course these things always only work in one direction, so when western countries legislate dress codes and penalize people for eg wearing a hijab, then that's perfectly ok and understandable, after all they're just protecting their culture. But when a Muslim Arab country legislate dress codes and penalize what does not fit their culture then it's a violation of human rights.

Or when a western country ban mosques and deports "imams" for preaching something they don't like or for supposedly being funded by someone abroad, then again that's fine and just protecting their culture and society, but when eg Saudi Arabia imprisons armed fanatics that openly pledge allegiance to a hostile state that wants to overthrow the government through an armed rebellion, then that's a violation of human and religious rights!

>>35646

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: Yes

>>35647

>>35648

>>35651

Thanks for the insight. Also, Would it be okay, if we discuss two anti-Islamic "websites" in particular? BTW, my ID has changed because I'm using a VPN.

>>35647

Countries that have neighbors like Canada and Monaco have no business telling muslim countries surrounded by dangerous countries how to behave whatsoever.

>>35664

Astagfirullah, Does this actually occur in the MENA region?

>>35682

You can't just blame the people in the top, since at the end of the day they have to please the population to some degree. Unfortunately there is a lack of ghayrah among the population that needs to be addressed.

>>35646

Ex muslim guest speakers get paid to tour universities here so yeah…

Anyone ever noticed their stories just don't make sense? Their way of "leaving Islam" just doesn't make sense culturally. Like, the idea of losing ones faith is one thing, but "leaving" a religion is a very western way of thinking about things. Also the fact that people like Waffa Sultan's stories dates don't line up. Or that Dutch Somali women, and those like her, who have actually had pretty hard lives and just blame Islam because they get the $$$ and its what secular whitey wants to hear, even though the issues they faced had nothing to do with Islam.

>>36220

kuffar attacking Islam have never had any qualms about lying.

>>36220

I want to be a white ex-christian that tours muslim countries inshaAllah. My stories would be a lot better than

1.) I adopted current year western values because reasons

2.) I saw Islam doesnt line up with some of them

3.) Jesus/Karl Marx came and whispered in my ear

>>35647

Hey, this was a nice post. I appreciate your insight, even though I don't trust many Muslims, and Islam as a whole. God Bless.

>>35651

Why criticize a post with such a small minded opinion? He is absolutely correct, the only way to counter Islam is through Proselytizing.

>>36220

>Ex muslim guest speakers get paid to tour universities here so yeah…

Damn. They're going all out huh. Where or which country is this?

>>35646

I don't think they are promoting christianity. Heck, they are ridiculing our ahlul-kitab brethrens as well by painting them and us as this really backwards people. Only their ridicule only stops at there and not as bad as us. At this day and age I'd rather have more people of/with faith or religion heck even agnostics rather than those who don't believe in anything at all. Those are the people who are in control of media in my opinion.

>>36229

>I don't think they are promoting christianity.

they're proselytizing for kufr and its millat is one. For obvious reasons not much effort is spent on trying to actually convert people to christian doctrines, instead it's more about nationalism and their national flavor of "christianity" in the name of protecting their "heritage" and "culture".

>our ahlul-kitab brethrens

no such thing

>as well by painting them and us as this really backwards people.

westerners have legitimate grievances with christians and it's understandable why they don't want to be burned on the stake for not worshipping their cerberus concoction.

>At this day and age I'd rather have more people of/with faith or religion heck even agnostics rather than those who don't believe in anything at all.

See above. All kuffar worship taghut in some form or another. And most of the "people of faith" you'll get are just crusader LARPers anyway.

>>36231

I’d rather be surrounded by Christians that have any nihilistic, atheistic, communist sacks of crap in any positions of authority above dog catcher or meter maid. It is irrelevant whether or not the “people of faith” are actually that committed when they are compared to the ideological garbage people that want to destroy any type of religion, whether it be Christianity, Islam, or anything else.

In the Soviet Union it was illegal to teach your children about religion. If you were caught, you were sent to a forced labor camp for decades where you would be systematically frozen, starved, and worked to death. The Communists from the early 20th century are mild compared to some of the radicals we have these days. As soon as they are done attacking Christianity they are going to go all out attacking Islam. Acting like they are “all the same” isn’t productive.

>>36227

Except he's not. Why do you think they want to legalise drugs? Why do you think they promote obesity? They want to silence the discontent of the people, and make them weak to stop them rebelling against their tyranny.

>>36232

>In the Soviet Union it was illegal to teach your children about religion.

Yeah as opposed to all those past christian countries in which it was legal to teach Islam? The soviet union doesn't exist anymore and russia today is massacring Muslims in the name of christianity. /pol/ have a fetish for russia and russian orthodoxy for a reason. Your post is garbage and completely misses the mark.

>>36239

Just listen to smug f*cks like Bill Maher, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, etc talk about Islam. Their entire existence revolves around atheism and how much they hate anyone who is religious. According to them anyone who believes in God is unbelievably stupid and backward. All the books, movies, and most of what they say is just “science smart, religion dumb, haha stupid religious people.” At least with Christians some of them have a sense of decency and morality. If you think that the majority of Christians are represented by /pol/ you are mistaken.

It’s like you are in a forest, and you only see pine trees, so you assume that the entire forest must only have pine trees. No other kinds of trees could possibly be in that forest. You hate pine trees so much that you completely ignore the rabid radioactive beavers that inhabit the forest. They start eating the pine trees, and you think it’s funny, but then the beavers get a taste for blood. Only then do you realize that instead of sitting back laughing and watching the beavers devour all the trees you should have tried to protect the pine trees and stop the rabid beavers while you still had a chance.

>>36241

>Just listen to smug f*cks like Bill Maher etc talk about Islam

I have and it did not make christian apologists and missionaries(ie professional liars) sound any better. And with that I think I've had enough of your little PR campaign.

Atheists are happy if a muslim becomes Christian. Christians are happy if a muslim becomes atheist. Again, same thing.

>>36243

Christianity is becoming less and less popular in western countries. More and more churches are closing all the time. Less and less people are identifying as religious. Communism is becoming more and more popular among the youth, and is actively promoted in almost every single college. If you go on some college campuses and say something like “men are not women” you will be attacked. At first when communism takes hold it might not be overtly anti-religious. But once the nation of institutionalized atheism, theft, and murder is in place, it is only a matter of time.

All kinds of western media – the news, television shows, movies, everything - promotes overtly left-leaning politics and a general “do whatever you want” attitude. They have done a good job at destroying the institution of marriage by promoting feminism, drug addiction, and “free love.” They are not at all promoting Christianity because there are still remnants of ideas that are opposed to homosexuality and that encourage marriage between men and women.

>>36244

No, he is.

>>36246

You're a /pol/ drone. Get lost dumbass.

>>36249

That is quite the argument. Maybe if you read and watched the news you would be aware that some of the things /pol/ complains about actually have a shred of truth to them. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

>>36250

>arguing with parroted /pol/ drivel

>>36249

>get lost dumbass

Hey we are trying to grow this community bro. Please dont talk like that to other muslims that disagree with you.

>>36251

Point to one of the statements in >>36246 that isn’t true. Just one.

>>36252

>other muslims

>>36255

I am a Muslim. Been on this board for a few years. You aren't pointing to a statement that isn't true, because there aren't any. I'm sorry you hate Christians so much. Umar Ibn al-Khattab once had a Christian servant that he trusted so much that he wanted to appoint him as a governor in one of the provinces, but the Christian servant refused to accept Islam.

>>36257

Sometimes Umar Ibn al-Khattab RA would surprise his governors by showing up unannounced. He would find someone else to ask permission to enter the governor’s home, then all of a sudden Umar Ibn al-Khattab in his house. If he found that the governor had a rug or cloth hanging on the wall, he would tear it down. Umar would ask how many poor Muslims could be clothed with it, instead of having it hung on the governor’s wall as a decoration. The governors would have the money that they owned placed into a kind of trust when they accepted the position. While they were governor, they would receive a salary as subsistence to cover their basic needs, but by the time they were done in their position it would be set up so they didn’t save any money while they were governor, and they would get back the money they originally placed in a trust. People placed in governmental positions received little to no actual benefit from being placed there. Umar also forbid his governors from having physical hard doors on their homes. One Governor lived next to the market and had a door installed because the noise of the market was bothering him. Umar had that door removed.

>>36261

Umar RA was especially picky about who he appointed as governor. One person who he was considering for the position of governor, he tested him by giving him commands to travel back and forth, over and over again, in a way that was very physically exhausting. He did this for most of the day just to see if the person would follow his orders, no matter how strange they were.

Once while he was travelling in one of the provinces, a man came up to Umar and said that he had been caught drinking alcohol. The governor not only had him lashed, but had him publically humiliated and told everyone in the area to boycott him. The man said that didn’t know what to do and he was considering leaving the lands of the Muslims. Upon hearing this, Umar, with tears in his eyes, gave him all the money he had and told him that in the time of Jahilliyah he too drank alcohol. He told him to go to a different area and then he sent a serious warning to that governor.