2fb523 No.34974
Which parts of the sayings of Jesus contained in the gospels do Muslims consider apocryphal, and which parts are accepted as possibly being authentic? E.g. Are Muslim ethics inspired by the famous Sermon on the Mount?
I certainly assume that Muslims consider apocryphal what Jesus is said to have told the Samaritan woman: “You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” (!!)
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0dca35 No.34978
Whatever was authentic is in the Qur'an and sunnah. It's a fools errand to attempt to sort through the wheat and chaff of the Bible.
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2a9465 No.34980
>is X authentically attributed to Y
سموا لنا رجالكم
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189a11 No.34982
It's very simple. If it contradicts Qur'an, then it isn't authentic.
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0113c2 No.34987
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2fb523 No.34988
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189a11 No.34989
>>34983
Not at all, nope. Much of Qur'an confirms the sermon on the mount.
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189a11 No.34991
>>34990
I don't really have a side-by-side comparison of the whole thing, but I'm sure if you Google it, someone out there has done the work on that. Tough finding an unbiased source, though.
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2fb523 No.34992
>>34991
Have you read them? If you read it as a Muslim you would instantly know either “this is false” or “yeah this checks out” line by line. I am in the process of reading the Quran but I am biased, so I want that Muslim perspective of NT.
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0dca35 No.34993
>>34979
There are likely true sayings in the Bible, we just have absolutely no way of knowing what they are.
And it's less about 'creative writing' and more like 'Chinese whispers'.
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189a11 No.34994
>>34992
>Have you read them?
Of course! I've read the entirety of the Bible (Ignatius Bible and The Jerusalem Bible versions).
>you would instantly know
Not necessarily. Studying the Bible and the Qur'an are lifetime pursuits. I don't magically know and understand every little minutia of Islam simply because I am a Muslim. There will always be things I don't know and must look up. The more I learn the less I have to research, but nobody is magically endowed with infinite knowledge on any topic.
I know that the sermon on the mount lines up with Islamic teaching, but if you want me to go through the BIble verse by verse for you, we're going to be here a long, long time. There are ~32,000 verses in the Bible.
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2fb523 No.34996
“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—o ye of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
I don’t care what anyone says, this is just good poetry!
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189a11 No.34997
>>34996
>this is just good poetry
Absolutely spot on.
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0dca35 No.34998
>>34995
Then sure, but I was talking about the quotes themselves.
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ba3f9e No.34999
>>34996
Beautiful and confirmed by Qur’an 57:20 - "Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - like the example of a rain whose [resulting] plant growth pleases the tillers; then it dries and you see it turned yellow; then it becomes [scattered] debris. And in the Hereafter is severe punishment and forgiveness from Allah and approval. And what is the worldly life except the enjoyment of delusion."
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d3f766 No.35009
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189a11 No.35104
>>35074
There is only one God.
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e2a75f No.35383
>>34974
3:84 quran
"We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are submitting to Him."
Written torah is authentic and of course, you need original text to find all that hidden. Gospels are authentic but hard to find quality translations that don't lose meanings of important moments.
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189a11 No.35391
>>35388
>I thought that Muslims didn’t consider Paul a prophet.
We don't. He wasn't.
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6cadd6 No.35406
>>34974
qoran never validates, or confirms "bible" or "torah" but refers to the books as what is "with them". meaning the necessary authencity is in whatever they had in their hands as holy book at the time. and it is actually non islamic to call any of those books "garbage" or refer to them as being bad and such. -Maidah / 48
also calling Meryem to do prayer with the ones already doing it in implying there was never a time frame at wich gods message was lost among humans. it was always and will always be clear as day. -Al Imran /42
i fear saying faulty in the name of god. hope his guidance will lead us.
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f7306c No.42305
I am a Muslim and I love Christian Apocrypha
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