e77a86 No.33843
Hello. I am a 20 year old male living in Canada. I do not believe in god simply because my family has not bothered to teach me much despite them being (liberal) Muslims.
I am upset with the lack of direction & discipline and community in my life. I think religion is a solution.
Capitalism makes me feel worthless and angry. I was sympathetic to communism for a long time. But I no longer believe in it because of its anti-religious sentiment, its support of LGBT and other degeneracy and I'd prefer the "third way" of Islamic economics.
I do not like certain aspects of Islam: for example I have had pre-marital sex multiple times with my partner, a Catholic (non-practicing) woman. We were both virgins before meeting one another and we agreed to get married with each other since we met.
My questions are,
- What is the Islamic view on economics, and is it opposed to socialism?
- What should I do about my premarital sexual relationship? I think that it would be impossible to find another virgin partner here in the west. I am very lucky and fully intent to marry this woman.
- I do not like certain aspects of Islam, particularly polygymy, female circumcision, the taxing of non-Muslims etc. Is dissent okay? What should a Muslim do about his "anti-Islamic" feelings?
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5ecc59 No.33845
>>33843
>What is the Islamic view on economics, and is it opposed to socialism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economics
>What should I do about my premarital sexual relationship?
Marry her.
>polygymy
Not required.
>female circumcision
Not Islamic.
>taxing of non-Muslims
People have to pay taxes. Muslims pay more than non-Muslims.
>Is dissent okay?
Dissent against what?
>What should a Muslim do about his "anti-Islamic" feelings?
Study and pray.
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41a2f4 No.33846
>>33843
>What is the Islamic view on economics, and is it opposed to socialism?
Islam doesn't "oppose" socialism, but it doesn't "oppose" capitalism. People are still allowed to be richer than others. As long the riches are from halal methods. No bribery, gambling, usury, never take from the orphans and be mindful of those who are poorer than you, and pay your zakat and you're pious. No man is richer than god. There's more, but I can't recall everything. And zakat is some sort of alms that every muslim has to pay to help the poor.
>What should I do about my premarital sexual relationship? I think that it would be impossible to find another virgin partner here in the west. I am very lucky and fully intent to marry this woman.
Marry her and repent. Islam (and any religion) is against premarital sex. Bear in mind that.
>polygamy
What's better, polygamy or adultery? Polygamy is allowed in islam but to only those who are able to provide equally to his wives. If one wife is unsatisfied with the inequality of the nafkah (maintenance) the wife can ask for a divorce at the sharia court. The way some people imagined polygamy is like everyday is an orgy or something. No. Heck orgies are not even allowed. It's a husbands duty to uphold his wives honor. That's why even if its allowed, it very rare to see people with more than 1 wives. To provide equally to each wives is a headache and costs a lot. If you have an issue with polygamy, I think you will have a lot more issue with child marriages. But to put a simple defense to this, I ask again, which is better, rape or marriage? Even then there are guidelines to it, like, sex is not allowed until baligh/mature (it's stated in the quran/hadith but I'm not too certain which verse/text) and she would still need to stay with her parents until baligh/mature. I'm just saying it here, because I do not want to sugarcoat anything and I know one day you will ask about it. Most people are against it. I know.
>female circumcision
Some people practice it but it is nowhere mentioned in the quran part of some hadith.
>taxing of non-Muslims
Not everyone has to pay jizya, but for sane males living in countries under islamic law. You live in Canada, why would you have an issue with jizya. If it's about equality, then I don't have a proper argument to come up. I hope some other brothers/sisters are able to explain. But do read more about jizya, in fact, I should too.
>dissent
No such thing as thought sin. If you have a problem with something, just ask or study more.
>What should a Muslim do about his "anti-Islamic" feelings?
Study more, ask more, take more opinion, pray to god and ask for his guidance.
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2eab2a No.33847
>>33843
>I am upset with the lack of direction & discipline and community in my life. I think religion is a solution.
You should be upset, your parents have betrayed you and destroyed you.
>I do not like certain aspects of Islam: for example I have had pre-marital sex multiple times with my partner, a Catholic (non-practicing) woman.
>I do not like certain aspects of Islam, particularly polygymy, female circumcision, the taxing of non-Muslims etc. Is dissent okay? What should a Muslim do about his "anti-Islamic" feelings?
Since Islam is not based on personal opinion or whims, what you like or don't like about it is irrelevant, if you realize it's the truth you must submit to Islam fully in all aspects and admit your wrongdoings. That's what Islam is, total submission to Allah (swt) the creator and owner of all things in recognition of your position, a poor grateful slave.
<"O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy." -(2:208)
<"But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission." -(4:65)
"Dissent" is NOT okay and is going against known concepts of Islam such as polygyny (limited to 4), the jizyah on ahlul kitab is kufr (apostasy). Female circumcision isn't accepted by most muslim schools and is mostly cultural. If you have such feelings then check yourself, you are in no position to question Allah (swt) who created us and knows what works for us, questioning His judgement in the quran is arrogance and kufr of the highest degree.
>What is the Islamic view on economics, and is it opposed to socialism?
Pic related, it has redistribution of wealth but isn't like man-made socialism, this is the inspired system of Allah which is superior to all systems.
>What should I do about my premarital sexual relationship? I think that it would be impossible to find another virgin partner here in the west. I am very lucky and fully intent to marry this woman.
Repent and marry her. Since she is a christian you can marry her in Islam. Although it is preferred to not marry the fornicators.
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5ecc59 No.33889
>>33888
>marriage to ahlul kitab is only IN Muslim lands
This is something a lot of people don't realize. Good to point it out whenever possible.
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2eab2a No.33894
>>33888
I didn't know about this thank jazak Allah khayr akhi.
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d835a7 No.34921
>>33845
It absolutely is Islamic. Read up on the four schools of thought(shafi'i mandates it).
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5ecc59 No.34931
>>34921
>bumping an old thread just to spread lies
wew lad
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75050b No.34942
>and we agreed to get married with each other since we met.
lol man this is a good one. marriage ceremony is 30 seconds. and you cant even do it for real, when shes pregnant youre out, i know that.
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bdddef No.34943
>>34931
Are you seriously denying the well known fact that female genital cutting is Islamic? If you accept male circumcision as Islamic then the female equivalent would be as well.
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5ecc59 No.34944
>>34943
If it ain't in Qur'an, it ain't Islamic.
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d835a7 No.34946
>>34944
You should be careful saying that around here. Mods don't like Qur'anists.
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d835a7 No.34947
>>34944
Also do some research on the functions of the foreskin, you'll be surprised at what Allah has created for his worshipers. "Verily, We created man of the best stature (mould)" 95:4
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5ecc59 No.34948
>>34946
There ain't no hadith about female circumcision either. You're just spreading falsehood and can't back it up.
>>34947
Qur'an and hadith specify male circumcision. If you don't like it, then ☻ off back to /christian/.
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d835a7 No.34949
>>34948
The hadith about male and FEMALE circumcision is the following: Five are the acts of fitra: circumcision, removing the pubes, clipping the moustache, cutting the nails, plucking the hair under the armpits.
It's you who can't back up their "male only" requirement for circumcision(genital mutilation). The Maliki, Hanafi and Hanbali schools of Islamic jurisprudence view it as makrama for women ("noble", as opposed to obligatory). For the Shafi'i school it is obligatory (wājib). You could just save yourself the embarrassment and read the short wiki article.
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d835a7 No.34950
>>34948
BTW I'm not suggesting that we should be circumcising girls. I'm just saying that if you accept circumcision for one sex then logically you must accept it for the opposite sex. In fact, I am against cutting the genitals of any healthy child. The Quran clearly states that mutilating the creation of God is strictly forbidden- "And I will mislead them, and I will arouse in them [sinful] desires, and I will command them so they will slit the ears of cattle, and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah ." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss." 4:119
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5ecc59 No.34954
>>34949
>clipping the moustache
Guess those women better clip their moustache. It's only logical, right?
Sorry, bro, but circumcision applies only to men. That hadith applies to men.
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ae499e No.34959
>>33843
Let's start with the basics, shall we? There isn't a lot of a point in practicing Islam as a hollow set of rituals if you, by your own admission, do not believe in god. You begin by defining yourself as a disbeliever. Before anything else, reading the Qur'an, reaching for the Tafseer whenever a passage seems awkward to understand and studying the Seerah of the Prophet (PBUH) are the first things to keep in mind.
Learn to pray and apply what you learnt, study the "theory" of Islam. Worship Allah (SWT) as He has instructed mankind through Muhammad (PBUH) and you'll already have taken a major leap away from your current situation. If you already know how to pray, do so. Keep learning, keep applying your learning, shed one unislamic habit at a time, and worry about all of that as things become relevant to your life beyond "oh this is not like what I used to believe things should be back in the day".
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0fca17 No.34960
>>34954
By your flawed logic women don't have pubic hair, fingernails, or hair under the armpits. Read any book an fiqh and you'll find that female genital cutting is recommended if not mandated.
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d835a7 No.34969
>>34966
I understand. What got me to question circumcision was the clear Quranic contradictions it had. Also the hadith "supporting" circumcision is illogical. Fitra is taken to mean human nature or natural predisposition. While trimming the pubic hair, armpit hair, nails, and mustache is bringing us back to this "original" state that we were born to, irreversibly amputating the foreskin does not. Every child is born with his penis complete with his foreskin. Allah would simply not have created something so complex and functional just to have his worshipers amputate it. So what you're left with is one illogical and likely fraudulent hadith(since it contradicts quranic passages) and many Quranic verses that stress the perfection of God's creation.
"We have indeed created man in the 'best of moulds'." 95:4
The work of Allah who has 'perfected everything' (He created). 27:88
"And He designed you, and has perfected your design" 40:64
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9abe3d No.34972
>>34969
Stay in the trini thread, zindiq.
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d835a7 No.34975
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5ecc59 No.35029
>>34960
You know what women don't have? Foreskin!
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8896d8 No.35038
>>35029
Just stop. It's called a clitoral hood. Both sexes have a prepuce.
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5ecc59 No.35039
>>35038
Khitan ختان is specifically the word for MALE circumcision. That is what's used in Qur'an. There is no word for female circumcision used in Qur'an. Stop spreading your kafir lies.
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e708bc No.44199
>>44194
Go be a barbarian LARPer somewhere else.
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