/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

Yes Islam is the way to end tyranny and enslavement to false gods in any shape or form. But those revolutions you referred to weren't exactly Islamic.

>>31381

iran and afghanistan yes libya so so but was bether that the old goverments

>>31376

Of course, Islam is against tyranny. The problem with Venezuela is 100% due to the injustice of kaffir (non muslim) systems. They are against humanity and don't value human life. Although I don't consider iran an islamic country and afghanistan was armed against the soviets, to reach such a revolution you would need more than 90% muslim population. Sadly, your christian brothers in the north don't consider you human. If you were to join Islam it would be for your personal benefit.

But to answer your question, yes, Islam crushes tyrants (taghut) and guides the people from the worship of creations to the worship of the creator.

>>31381

>But those revolutions you referred to weren't exactly Islamic

how?

>>31383

Qadaffi ruled with Sharia, Zionist rebels overthrew him and replaced it with chaos

>>31385

>I don't consider iran an islamic country

rafidis are unironically more islamic than the najdi saud regime

>>31386

Seething rafidhi can't shut up about Saudi Arabia for one second.

>>31387

I'm not a rafidi lol

>>31385

the north dont matter they dont support maduro goverment soo no problement with that but you really need a 90 percent of islamic population the muslim community here have many economic power if belivers take the power we would convert relative easy all venezuela and spread the islam for all america(eventually nort america too)

>>31386

>Qadaffi ruled with Sharia

Not at all, he was secular and even created his own socialist inspired ideology, and he was anti hijab, all the top female generals and security could not wear it.

>rafidis are unironically more islamic than the najdi saud regime

No they are equally as bad imo. rafida for their deviant sect and degeneracy (allows transsexual, prostitution ect.) and ale saud for their treachery (pro america).

>>31393

Can you tell us more about how muslims in your country gained that economic power? I'm interested and what you say is a realistic plan.

>>31395

the arabs here are people that came from syria and libano many years ago they controll together with the goverment the food of the country they are very rich here

>aldo

their influence is soo big that the vice president of venezuela have arab backgronds but they are very religious we have a lot of mosque here maybe we dont have the same number of muslims like 1 world countries but muslims have a lot of influence and a population tired of all

>>31399

anhttp://aserne.blogspot.com/2011/05/peligro-la-liga-musulmana-de-chavez.html example of the power of muslims

is the same in economic

>>31400

>hezbolat

oh yeah.. those guys trade cocaine that's why they are rich

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/

shiite heretics don't care about morals and tend to lean towards criminality to make profit instead of selling oil or weapons like other sunni groups

>>31386

>Qadaffi ruled with Sharia

Lmao

>>31403

>politi☻

>article by josh meyer

>(meyer)

checks out

>>31541

Not an argument, besides, selling drugs isn't a good way to end tyranny.

>>31376

>i live in a country with a corrupt socialist and paganist goverment

70% private sector and the threat of an American imperialist invasion =/= functional socialism, nor is the Venezuelan government "paganist"

>how the islam put down dictatorships like at afghanistan iran libya etc

religions don't put down dictatorships, people do

>>31903

>>31903

communist detected

>>31910

you got that right

>>31917

why are u here

>>31926

Just checking this board out of curiosity tbh

>>31966

welcome

>>31376

Yes Libya Syria and Afghanistan are such great examples of countries that overthrew le epic tyrannical goverments and instantly turned into a utopia afterwards

>>33021

Yes these countries will magically become developed but only after cutting out what little life support they get after pushing their countries to ☻

Yes. Definitely.

I'm waiting for Latin speaking people to enter Islam

>>33024

You speak as if it's the muslims fault and not the ones who have literally done everything they can and could for more than a thousand years to destroy us

Yes, the muslim world would be utopic without any disbelievers interfering on it

But that's not how things are supposed to be, that's simply not the plan of Allah

I hope one day you'll understand, but it'll probably be too late.

>iran

>dictatorship

have you been here brother? It's not nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be

>>42991

You are the only country in the world whose capital does not have a Sunni Mosque. Individual citizens houses do not count. On Eid you see lines of people waiting to pray in one of the few civilians houses that serves Sunni prayer service. These lines are very long. Sunnis suffer other unnecessary hardships in Iran that have no comparison to what Shiites in Sunni countries have to live under. Shiites are allowed to build mosques for example.

>>42992

That's definitely not true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_Iran

>>42996

There isn't a lot of support for the first three caliphs and there is some degree of truth to the video, but there is a lot of misinformation in that video and a lot of the imams in the videos are clearly hardliners that represent a small minority, hardliners that you can find in any country with a religious society.

Just the same way there are many sunnis and wahabis (and etc.) that aren't fond of shia leaders and shia history. I'm not saying that Iran is the most religiously diverse country in the world, but I am saying that there is a terrifying amount of disinformation.

But thank you, I was not aware of the sunni discrimination, and I am sorry. I pray that there is more freedom for sunnis in Iran in the future.

Brother, I hope you see that we do not need to be divided because of the bigotry of the few.

>>42998

Those are proxy wars based off of political motivations, rather than religious.

>>42999

Iranian backed militias block off roads and kill all the males with Sunni names. They take over neighborhoods in Iraq, telling Sunnis that they need to move out or they will be killed. Then after doing that, they make it impossible for them to move their things out by blocking their transportation from moving their things. They are backed by the government in Iraq. Only Shiites are given political positions and they allow these and other crimes to happen. Shiites walk through Sunni neighborhoods with loadspeakers slandering the Sahaba. The main wars might be based off of political motivations, but countless crimes are committed against Sunnis in the process. All of these actions are backed 100% by Iran. Solamani deserved to die as a war criminal.

>>43000

Ain't nothin' compared to what Sunni do to Shi'a in Sunni countries. But, I guess you think it's ok to torture and murder Shi'a.

What we need now is unity, not infighting. Let's accept both sides are hurt, and focus on the real enemy in the Islamic world.

>>43001

>>43000

Just because two opposing sides in a war belong to two different religions (or different branches of a religion) does not mean that the fight is necessarily fueled by religion. Of course there will be bad apples that fight for all the wrong reasons, but they do not represent the whole, just the same way you have similar cases in every war on every side.

Does this justify death and discrimination? No, not at all, but let's not make it religious and keep it in the realm of politics.

>Countless crimes against Sunnis in the process

The Iraq-Iran war was pretty nasty too, especially for shias. Are we going to ignore that?

Or how shias are being discriminated against around the world?

I'm sure we could go on forever if we were both going to list the discrimination and murders of shias and sunnis, but I think we can both agree that none of it should have happened in the first place, and those that actively hurt their fellow brothers have got Islam all wrong.

This isn't a shia v. sunni thing, it's very much a small part of a much bigger problem that has nothing to do with who thinks which caliph should have been first. I pray that you see that.

>>43018

Either you're bait, or you've gone absolutely blind.

Either way, I'll pray you find peace one day brother.

>>42992

Tehran has Sunni mosques. There are churches and synagogues in Iran for Christian and Jews to worship in. Do you seriously think Iran wouldn't cater for the needs of its second largest and theologically closest religious group while it caters for all its other minorities.

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/109045/Sunnis-running-9-mosques-in-Tehran

As for the prayer room not mosque argument, there is nothing that disqualifies these places of worship from being a Mosque. Where I live (i don't live in Iran), the only Shia mosque in the area is just a privately owned, normal building converted to a prayer room, this doesn't make it any worse then a mosque with grand architecture. In other cities of Iran with higher percentages of Sunnis you can find plenty of large and ornate Sunni mosques. And Sunnis are more then welcome to pray in any Shia Mosque anywhere in Iran. When Iran denies the building of a Sunni Mosque or closes a Sunni Mosque, this is only because these particular mosques are preaching extremism and disrespecting Shais, Sunni Mosques that do not spread takfiri ideology are allowed to operate freely.

The problem arises when so called Sunnis start spreading extremist wahabi ideology that takfirs and insults Shi'ites. Such mosques, organizations, and individuals are countered by the government, as you would expect considering Iran is a Shia majority country. Common sense would dictate that you shouldn't insult and slander the religious majority of the country you live in. These individuals are of course in the minority, and the majority of Sunnis in Iran are not takfiris and there are no government policies against them.

I don't deny that some degree of discrimination against Sunnis is present in Iran, but this is the result of the actions of a few individuals not government policy or orthodox Shia doctrine. The Iranian authorities make due effort to counter anti-sunni sentiment, such as this Fatwa from Khamenei: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa_of_Ali_Khamenei_against_insulting_revered_Sunni_figures

>>42996

This video intentionally distorts the truth by conflating Sunnis with takfiri wahabis. Yes, of course a Shia majority country is going to oppose an hateful ideology that takfirs Shias and is reponsible for some of the most vile crimes against Shias both in the past and in the present, what do you expect, its a Shia majority country, use some common sense. Regular Iranian Sunnis though, who don't foolishly insult their fellow Muslims and support Islamic unity do not face institutionalized discrimination.

Notice a key difference between Shias and Wahabis is that Shias only oppose those so called "sunnis" who hate and takfir them, whilst considering the Sunnis who don't hate and takfir them as brothers. Whilst Wahabis have deep irrational hatred for all of Shia Islam as a whole.

>>43018

Iran doesn't kill Sunnis, it kills violent takfiri terrorists who kill innocent Shias only because they are Shia, and kill innocent Sunnis because they aren't radical like they are and oppose their barbaric sectarianism. Iran fights groups that are covertly supported and funded by America and Israel to wage proxy war and fight their enemies for them.

>uses religion for political purposes

If your religion doesn't include standing up for the oppressed peoples and fighting against oppressors then your religion is incomplete, religion must include politics or else it isn't a complete system for the betterment of humanity. Islam is a religion complete and perfected for all aspects of human life, thus its inherently political.

>>43000

This goes completely against the ideology of Iran and Iran backed militias. Such actions would be prohibited according to all Shia religious authorities.

Keep in mind there are also Sunni militias also included under the Iran backed Hashd al Shaabi.

Unless you can provide solid evidence to support this absurd claim we can reasonably consider it to be false. The burden of proof is on you when making such outlandish claims.

And legitimate warfare against takfiri groups doesn't count as oppressing Sunnis

>>43056

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AW--0KOKoE

Based