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24685d No.30184 [Last50 Posts]

I was reading into my countries history (mainly the Meiji restoration) and found out that Japan nearly became Islamic.

Basically to combat the west pro Japan nationalists and muslims forged a close alliance and in 1906 the emperor was going to convert to islam.

I can't find anything on why it was abruptly stopped however, there's a few theories but there's little evidence to support them.

Theory one is that the British threatened that they would declare war on Japan if they did, I find this unlikely but Britain have had a bad history with us so it wouldn't surprise me.

Second theory is that the Rothschilds threatened to kill Japan economically if we did, which is more likely but I don't think they would've threatened and I don't think it'd stop the country from becoming islamic.

What would an islamic Japan even be like?

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30857f No.30185

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

There is a small Islamic presence in Islam. You might find this interview with a Japanese Imam interesting. The guy even makes his own nasheeds in Japanese.

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bcc2da No.30186

>>30184

>Basically to combat the west pro Japan nationalists and muslims forged a close alliance and in 1906 the emperor was going to convert to islam.

Would be cool if you gave us sources and books on that, I'm definitely interested. Thanks.

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b0d817 No.30192

>>30186

It's all in Japanese and some of it is physical literature. The best English source I can find is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Japan#Japanese_nationalists_and_Islam but it doesn't go into detail at all.

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bcc2da No.30221

>>30192

That's really cool, makes me ponder of an alternate history of an islamic japan. Someone should write a novel based on that.

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339e62 No.30227

It's hard because Japan is a very Japanese country. Islam is very arabized so this would give japanese people cognitive distress, trying to become arabic.

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bcc2da No.30246

>>30227

Not really, only to the extent of reciting the quran in arabic and such, but muslim culture is very diverse.

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16f992 No.30254

>>30227

Islam doesn't Arabicize culture or people.

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761fd7 No.30256

>>30246

>>30254

It would change everything from diet to dress code to music/media to having to learn a new language to circumcision (which they find bizarre and harmful). Sorry, but you can't just flip a culture like that overnight and expect people to adapt and start wearing long robes, growing beards and reciting alien words they don't understand.

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761fd7 No.30257

>>30185

Small is an overstatement. It's basically non existent.

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30857f No.30259

>>30256

Have you ever met a foreign Muslim? They don't just magically turn into Arabs on conversion.

Are you the guy in the other thread trying to say all Muslims are sand people?

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16f992 No.30261

>>30256

Dude, what in the world are you going on about? I wear jeans and t-shirts and I use my birth name. People can choose to wear Arabic clothing and adopt an Arabic name, but there is absolutely nothing that requires it.

>having to learn a new language

>reciting alien words they don't understand

Which is it? Learning a new language or words they don't understand?

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bcc2da No.30265

>>30256

You would be surprised how quick islam can spread. Christianity had to water itself down and allow pork and keep foreskin but we didn't and keep having success, because people appreciate authenticity, not sugarcoating.

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2fc696 No.30266

>>30259

I mean, not all Muslims are from the middle east. I mean, Malaya was converted to Islam by traders from Gujarat around like the 15th or 16th century if I recall the history of my country correctly.

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423097 No.30373

Japan literally and openly has a muslim database

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2dd4bb No.30377

>>30373

Every relevant country does.

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4fe6d9 No.30380

>>30377

Yeah but its not good to stick your head out in a country you dont know.

They used to have foreigners in general carry a gaijin card. I imagine they would just outright deport you if you had a salafi beard.

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ae5e75 No.30388

>>30192

Are you Japanese yourself?

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2dd4bb No.30389

>>30380

That's why we need native japanese converts.

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57a11c No.30405

File: dded4c74be18b00⋯.jpg (11.37 KB,154x204,77:102,Okawa_Shumei_c.jpg)

Shūmei Ōkawa, by far the highest-placed and most prominent figure in both Japanese government and academia in the matter of Japanese-Islamic exchange and studies, managed to complete his translation of the Qur'an in prison, while being prosecuted as an alleged class-A war criminal by the victorious Allied forces for being an 'organ of propaganda'. Charges were dropped for his erratic behaviour officially; however historians have speculated that the weakness of the charges against him was more likely the true reason. While Okawa did display unusual behaviour during the trial such as rapping on the head of Hideki Tōjō, he also stated that the trial was a farce and unworthy of being called one. He was transferred to a hospital on official claims of mental instability and then prison, and freed not long thereafter, dying as Muslim in 1957 after a quiet life where he continued lecturing, on his return to his home village and his wife, who survived him. He claimed to have seen visions of Muhammad in his sleep.

Feels

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8d6826 No.30406

>>30185

Why doesn't he make eye contact with her all throughout the video? It's even awkward for her, by the looks of it.

I know you're supposed to "lower your gaze", but it's not like she's dressed immodestly or something.

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2dd4bb No.30407

>>30405

رحمه الله

>>30406

Higher level of iman.

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f574ed No.30411

>>30406

Disrespectful imo. Like he isn't acknowledging her existence as a person.

>>30407

This might make sense if she was at the beach, wearing revealing clothes. But she is modestly dressed in a mosque asking sincere questions. This is terrible.

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aeaa49 No.30413

File: 69468bc3b245499⋯.webm (9.76 MB,1280x720,16:9,hezbollah.webm)

>>30373

sorry a what?

>>30388

yes

what are your guys thoughts on hezbollah, i thought they were an anti zionist/anti imperialist/anti american military group so i respect them, but i read that the japanese government considers them a terrorist group

http://www.moj.go.jp/psia/ITH/organizations/ME_N-africa/hizballah.html

Are they really terrorists?

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8d6826 No.30414

>>30407

>Higher level of iman.

Can you explain more, anon? I'm a revert and don't know much. Whenever I interact with Muslim women, I'm always very direct and friendly (obviously no touching).

>>30411

I think it is. You can tell she was excited to meet him, but then she's kind of sad. I feel bad for her, lol. She also positioned herself different after the first interview to accommodate his lack of eye contact.

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16f992 No.30417

>>30413

>japanese government

If Muslims took over the government through Japan's democratic means, then the definition of "terrorist" can be changed.

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2dd4bb No.30424

>>30413

Yes they are terrorists, and not anti imperialist as much as pro iran/russian imperialism. There's no reason to respect them since they fight the majority of muslims and don't represent us.

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2dd4bb No.30425

>>30414

>Can you explain more, anon? I'm a revert and don't know much. Whenever I interact with Muslim women, I'm always very direct and friendly (obviously no touching).

There's different types of people, maybe he avoids looking at her to remove the chance he might get feelings. Always assume good of your fellow muslim, I don't see it as rude but as a man who fears Allah and is disciplined.

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8bbcb2 No.30468

File: 051244aeb0c5aa8⋯.png (218.37 KB,719x1132,719:1132,     .png)

>>30417

well i doubt they even knew about hezbollah, its likely they just read some sensationalist headline and followed the west or were just copying america in it, we have been americas puppet since 1863 and since 1945

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16f992 No.30476

>>30468

You're probably right.

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cd5577 No.30478

>>30373

It's called a terror watchlist.

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3c9fbd No.30492

>>30478

Its not. They put everyone on it. They put Sufis on it. Tell me the last time a Sufi cut somebody's noggin off. It's rediculous.

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16f992 No.30493

>>30492

Nobody can just be Sufi. Sufism is not a school of Islam, rather it is a form of study. One can be a Salafi-Sufi or a Sufi Twelver or a Sufist Ibadi; but nobody is "just Sufi" unless they completely miss the point of Sufi studies.

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2dd4bb No.30494

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a9fa83 No.30506

Ra iraha irrarrah

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16f992 No.30511

>>30506

I read that allowed and immediately thought of Lady Gaga.

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c66781 No.30528

>>30424

Are you a wahabit treator?

They're fighting against the american/israeli militia.

Liban have been the ONLY country counter attacking with success israel in 2005.

Where the ☻ is Saudi arabia? Turkey? Anyone else?

Hezbollah is certainly not exactly the superheroes of the century (no one is), but they're fighting Israel, they're fighting Daesh/Al Quaida and the USA.

Just for that fact, no one has anything to say.

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df0c87 No.30532

>>30528

>they're fighting Israel

they've murdered more Muslims in Syria and Iraq the past five years than israelis since ever. By your logic we should support isis since they claim to fight against israel and america as well.

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c66781 No.30536

>>30532

>By your logic we should support isis since they claim to fight against israel and america as well.

Isis never ever fighted against Israel. Actually, some militias with high ties with Daesh are actually healed in Israeli hospital.

If a "muslim" decide to be an american/israeli mercenary, and declare war on muslims, then he shall die in war. There is nothing wrong in it.

Now, I don't know if you're accusing the Hezbollah of killing innocent people, that's another matter. I would be ready to listen to you.

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df0c87 No.30537

>>30536

Isis kills americans all the time, so stop bull☻ting. Doesn't make them the good guys, just as the terrorist groups you support, like "hizbullah", aren't good guys because they broke three israeli windows a decade ago.

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c66781 No.30543

>Isis kills americans all the time

That's where you're incredibly wrong. Isis is protected by the USA.

Am I wrong, or are you from this retarded group that hate shia over everything, nearly ready to kill them? I'm not shiite at all btw, but I'm not retarded enough to follow the satanists that occupy Medina and Mecca.

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df0c87 No.30544

>>30543

>I'm not shiite at all

Stop being such a shameless liar.

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2dd4bb No.30548

>>30528

>>30536

>>30543

Stop making stuff up and derailing the thread shiite liar. hizbulat is only a proxy for iranian imperialism, shiis have no place in sunni lands like syria, you supporting assad makes you just as bad as him and khamenei, even worst they killed thousands of muslims when israel only killed a few hundred. go back to r/iran pls

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c66781 No.30552

>>30548

>even worst they killed thousands of muslims when israel only killed a few hundred.

There is nothing else to add. You don't even have to do anything these days for the nose to unveil.

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2dd4bb No.30556

>>30552

reza shah detected

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8ea5bc No.42898

MashAllah

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54979b No.42910

>>42898

Based necrochad

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0f7470 No.43047

File: 56ab15000e64bcf⋯.jpg (53.06 KB,1280x853,1280:853,japan_but_based.jpg)

>>30184

would've been pretty based ngl

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ebab3a No.43077

>>30184

>islamic japan

you mean malayasia/indonesia they both had cultures very similar to japan before islam ruined it

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ebab3a No.43078

>>30184

hirohito was just an opportunist he was thinking of converting all of japan to christianity when the us occupied japan but macarthur told him that was a bad idea

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cf4211 No.43188

Japanese people are still converting to Islam.

I hope they learn about Islam from immigrants doing dawah.

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a0407f No.43191

>>43077

Lol die in your rage kafr

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0b5e79 No.43192

File: 3f307d59bc59dce⋯.mp4 (8.72 MB,480x480,1:1,Islam_in_japan.mp4)

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0b5e79 No.43202

File: 9d1d8bd170290d6⋯.mp4 (4.55 MB,1280x720,16:9,Islam_and_the_number_of_Mu….mp4)

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cf4211 No.43203

File: af8a2d36f9e7aea⋯.jpeg (284.28 KB,1200x1945,240:389,4EC2649B_D6AD_49C2_9D67_5….jpeg)

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cf4211 No.43213

File: b263e7016948c8c⋯.jpeg (100.46 KB,960x1280,3:4,62824399_E971_4400_9055_2….jpeg)

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cf4211 No.43214

File: 1582535342973fd⋯.jpeg (2.1 MB,2736x3648,3:4,C65FB0AC_F3DF_49AE_BF88_E….jpeg)

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d88d4c No.43215

File: cbb4f3656291497⋯.jpg (77.32 KB,640x591,640:591,1594070992540.jpg)

>when (white), western nationalists in the modern day suggest an alliance

>NATIONALISM?! shirk, disgraceful! racist!

>when (non-white) nationalists suggest an alliance

>alhamdulillah, yes against those EVIL westerners hehehe

>when JAPANESE nationalists suggest an alliance

pic related

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b4964c No.43222

>>43215

This >>43216

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9c99eb No.43223

>>43216

a large segment of the black nationalist community converted to authentic sunni islam (not NOI). white nationalists are probably the demographic in the west that is closest in everything but profane tribalism to islam, and most arent dogmatic christians. the best way to convert the west is by creating native/founding stock white (or X native european ethnicity) muslim communities who arent just going to disappear into an immigrant community. white nationalists want big families, traditional lifestyles, but no worldly ideology gives that. no way but islam, christianity itself is dead so that's not a way out either.

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0c655f No.43224

>>43223

A white nationalist will never be Muslim unless he renounces his white nationalism. Any form of ethno-nationalism or ethnic supremacy is antithetical to Islam.

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9c99eb No.43227

>>43224

define both. tribal identity and kinship preference is practised throughout the islamic world and doesn't contravene islam at all. you can takfir all of chechnya for being basically endogymous within their ethnic group, but you won't.

loving one's own ethnicity/race =/= 'supremacism'

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0c655f No.43228

>>43227

"White" is not an ethnicity, but feel free to keep up the mental gymnastics. For example: not everyone in Chechnya is white.

White Nationalism is a cancer and Islam is the cure.

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9c99eb No.43229

>>43228

White is a broad racial grouping that in the context of a globalized world is an extension of tribe. It just means European or European-descended. Ar-Rum

Is black nationalism a cancer? You just sound like a seething diaspora who's been brainwashed by western media

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0c655f No.43231

>>43229

I specifically said any form of ethno-nationalism. If you're a white nationalist, fine; but if you are, then you're not Muslim. Also, white nationalists are not welcome on this board.

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19abda No.43232

File: 2e51ff5b21a4721⋯.jpeg (944.23 KB,2112x2816,3:4,20A3F57F_7223_4060_8DBC_1….jpeg)

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4c2e6f No.43233

File: 1e82f70f4e21078⋯.jpg (790.49 KB,1317x1752,439:584,1601746103761.jpg)

>>43231

Going to have to takfir all the arab, bosnian, chechen, turkestani, tatar and more practising Muslims who were involved in nationalist causes then. Modern/western upbringing only creates this takfiri arrogance

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0c655f No.43234

>>43233

The height of arrogance is believing that only your "race" is worthy of your time and presence. Nationalism is a cancer and it must be rooted out like a puss-filled scab.

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4c2e6f No.43235

>>43234

>only your race

Nice strawman. God first, everything else after.

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0c655f No.43237

>>43235

>white nationalism isn't about race

If only they handed out medals for mental gymnastics …

The fact that you're trying so hard to defend ethnic nationalism and inject it into Qur'an proves that you're not putting God first. What's it like going through life being triggered by someone *gasp the horror* misegenating?

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8f478f No.43243

>>43237

Any 'nationalism' is a modern, western word for a tribal instinct. It can go against the religion (if you place your nation above the religion, e.g infighting within the ummah over petty territorial issues, like kurds and turks) or it can be expressed positively with a love for one's own kind. Miscegenation is not haram, but neither is endogymy. There is 0 conflict with ethnic/racial cohesion and consciousness and Islam, just take a look at the 'ethnic' mosques in immigrant communities.

You haven't made a single argument. Either you are an immigrant in a western country who has an inferiority complex against the natives, or are some kind of liberal who gets upset by the word 'white nationalism'. Maybe just a salafi who is upset at secularists like Ataturkists. White nationalists who become Muslims are about as tribalistic and endogymous as every other people in the Ummah, and the negative aspects can be left behind, but the essence: a pro-social communal and traditional outlook, finally find their natural home.

If you freak out about the modern connotation of nationalism, then you have to takfir entire generations of Muslims who practised and were pious but, for example, were in Palestinian nationalist initiatives like Amin al-Husseini.

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3c5156 No.43247

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0a5705 No.43248

>>43243

The difference is most of those people were ignorant about this topic. Therefore, some of them can be excused from takfir.

Nationalism, or whatever you call it, is haram, and if you believe in it, you're a kaffir, regardless of how important you value it.

Above everything, you're a muslim, and any kind of identity of this dunya must be broken for the sake of islam, may it be race, tribe, nation, you must accept all these boundaries are meaningless under it's light…

About endogymy, it should be taken as personal preference, and not some ideology, such with an intention as to preserve "your kind". You need to accept that after you become a muslim, "your kind" is not your race, "your kind" is other muslims, regardless of ethnicity.

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0d1a1c No.43251

>>43248

Islam doesn't say that you should destroy ethnic identity and belonging. Yes, God comes first and always does. This does not mean you abandon your tribe/ethnicity/race, you work with the rest of the Ummah together. A one big mono-cultural, mono-ethnic or mono-racial Islam has never been the case.

All things based in matter are prone to flux and decay, that is true. Race among them. This does not mean discounting the reality of being conferred on it, as God created all the different peoples of the world. The problem is if you prioritize matter over divinity. There is nothing unislamic about peoplehood and wanting to maintain your ethnicity or advance it, just as long it does not harm others in the Ummah or does injustice in general.

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cf4211 No.43265

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5ca2a2 No.43281

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5ca2a2 No.43282

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c29edc No.43283

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b41d28 No.43294

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171106 No.43295

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>>43223

The closest people in the west to us are a minority of good christians and jews.

White nationalists are kuffar and they are our enemies and you are a hypocrite. Nationalism is ignorance and kuffr.

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892b6e No.43296

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I'm >>43294 I didn't intend to change ID

Here is more scholarly opinion about nationalism.

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171106 No.43297

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892b6e No.43298

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b41d28 No.43300

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Brothers, be mindful of Allah, say no to nationalism. Iblees is a nationalist.

[Allah] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay [i.e., earth]." 7:12

And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He said, "Should I prostrate to one You created from clay?" 17:61

He said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." 38:76

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fdf849 No.43301

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6bd750 No.43302

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>>43251

>Islam doesn't say that you should destroy ethnic identity and belonging.

Yes, it does. You should destroy any "identity and belonging" that conflicts with islam, such as racism/tribalism.

What you are engaging on is called "Asabiyyah" (tribalism), and whomever dies for it does not die a Müslim.

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism.”

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 5121

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Suyuti

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