a1aee1 No.29577
Is he a good leader?
Yes I know he is on Kremlin payroll, but what else is he supposed to do, let Chechnya's youth be annihilated? It seems the situation is as Islamic as possible without resorting to rebellions and warfare. More-so than Erdogan's Turkey to be sure?
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fc6c07 No.29580
>>29577
Anyone who cries that much when his Instagram gets shut down has no business being the leader of any nation.
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0347d0 No.29582
>>29577
Literally did nothing wrong. He's a strong leader and his politics are on point (practical).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWBYdSNHMQg
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fc6c07 No.29583
>>29582
He's a whiny little bitch is what he is. No better than Trump.
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23ade2 No.29584
>>29582
>2017
>wants to eliminate by the end of May
>didn't happen
Ineffective.
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169ef7 No.29585
>>29583
R u kidding. Comparing a Sunni Muslim to trump…
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9d16d9 No.29586
>>29584
>>29583
One of you is the tranny innit
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0347d0 No.29589
>>29583
Trump and Kadyrov are both winners. Honorable men in their own ways.
Only the weak fear the strong.
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169ef7 No.29590
>>29589
Although I understand where you come from in saying that and slightly agree, Ramzan is a Muslim so inherently better than Trump. Ramzan also fought.
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a8396f No.29592
He's a kaffir murtad, bootlicker of putin. He worships this taghut and obeys him. Under him chechnya's youth is being annihilated anyways, he's not ruling by the shariah. There is nothing wrong with rebellion against a kaffir occupier. To think otherwise is cuckoldry.
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0347d0 No.29595
>>29592
>He's a kaffir
Dangerous accusation and also false. Unless you have some proof demonstrating it we will have to reject your claims.
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a8396f No.29598
>>29595
>Unless you have some proof
Proof:
<he's loyal to a taghut (putin)
<he allies with kuffar against muslims
<he supports russias war on syrians
<he's a taghut himself
<rules under russia law not islamic law
any 1 of these takes him out of islam, he does all of those, I suggest you get familiar with the concept of taghut and you will understand why he's an apostate
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0347d0 No.29600
>>29598
>he's a taghut
Based on what? you know his soul and his inner beliefs? you have videos of him worshiping idols?
>he allies with kuffar against muslims
>he supports russias war on syrians
None of those imply he's a kaffr, which is a strong accusation that requires much more proof. Also he is under an earthly law since Chechnya is a federal subject of Russia.
Just like muslims in Canada and USA are not "kaffr" for not trying to overthrow their governments. Neither are they "kaffir" for paying taxes which go to fighting wars against ISIS.
>I suggest you get familiar with the concept of taghut and you…
nah, you haven't said anything that requires me to do any extra work.
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a8396f No.29601
>>29600
>Based on what? you know his soul and his inner beliefs? you have videos of him worshiping idols?
Firstly, I don't need to, we judge by the apparent, what he says and does. Second, taghut aren't simply idols, they can also be human beings, who by taking on God's attribute, become an idol, as putin does when he is taken as the legislator. (Such as pharaoh, he is called taghut in the quran)
>None of those imply he's a kaffr
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. 5:51
Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination. 3:28
Yes, it definitely does take you out of islam.
>Just like muslims in Canada and USA are not "kaffr" for not trying to overthrow their governments.
Not the same scenario at all, since these are citizens with no political power in that case, kadyrov is political LEADER and is judged by what he does.
> nah, you haven't said anything that requires me to do any extra work.
This "extra work" is learning your religion, which I suggest you take seriously if you don't want to burn in hell for eternity, simply because you were lazy.
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0347d0 No.29602
>>29601
>we judge by the apparent,
appearances are deceiving you since you havent shown how he worships putin instead of Allah. Lying is a sin.
>Not the same scenario at all, since these are citizens with no political power in that case, kadyrov is political LEADER and is judged by what he does.
Power is not the issue (he has no power anyway, Russia would decimate Chechnya if they showed any aggression) the issue is legality, he has a duty to obey the laws of his land, which is subordinate to Russia. Similar to how American or Nigerian muslims have to obey their laws, not rebelling does not make you a kaffir. Stop pushing this meme.
>5:51
>3:28
that's not how you form an argument by cherry picking a couple of verses out of context.
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e7a69a No.29603
>>29598
What are you, khawarij? There are different degrees of kufr and there may be reasons why he does those things. It is not on you to start throwing takfir at people.
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fc6c07 No.29604
>>29589
The strong don't cry like little babies when their Instagram gets shut down.
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a8396f No.29609
>>29602
>you havent shown how he worships putin
The very fact that he pledged alligiance to him, swore his army to him and to fight and die for russia makes it idolatry. We muslims are only loyal for the cause of Islam. Putin is a known enemy of islam, killer of chechens and syrians. In fact, most chechens hate kadyrov, so I don't see your point in shilling for him.
>Power is not the issue
yup, it entirely is, do you know how he got into power? do you know why putin chose his sufi cult tribe? because they sold out the muslims, read the history
>cherry picking
it isnt, not at all, these verses are used to prove that alliance with a kaffir against muslims takes you out of islam
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fc6c07 No.29612
>>29609
> I don't see your point in shilling for him.
If I had to venture a guess, it would be /pol/ LARPing. /pol/ loves and worships at the feet of Kadryov.
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426667 No.29620
>>29609
>The very fact that he pledged alligiance to him
Of course, Chechnya is a federal republic of Russia, not an autonomous sovereign state. Kadyrov is subject to russian laws just like his citizens, just like muslims all around the world are subject to powers they don't agree with. This doesnt make them an apostate.
Being allied with Christians and Jews isn't grounds for apostasy. If this is true then every muslim leader is an apostate since they all ally with christians and jews, and every muslim citizen who pays taxes and follows the law and uses fiat money is allied with christians/jews so are apostates as well?? This is not a convincing argument.
>We muslims are only loyal for the cause of Islam.
Yet the laws of the land still apply and compromises have to be made.
You don't like Putin, you don't like some sufi sect and you don't like Chechnya's history. That's fine. None of this supports your argument that he's an apostate. Do you know what the grounds for apostasy are?
>>29612
Attack the argument not the poster.
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fc6c07 No.29623
>>29620
>Attack the argument not the poster.
I'm not attacking the poster. I'm attacking the Chechen leader.
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426667 No.29624
>>29612
>If I had to venture a guess, it would be /pol/ LARPing. /pol/ loves and worships at the feet of Kadryov.
>>29623
>I'm not attacking the poster. I'm attacking the Chechen leader.
You think Kadyrov posts on /pol/ and LARPs?
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fc6c07 No.29625
>>29624
No, but I can imagine him doing so.
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a8396f No.29642
>>29620
>Kadyrov is subject to russian laws just like his citizens
Not at all, he has political authority over them.
There's two paths, either resist russian occupation, or submit. He choose submission.
>Being allied with Christians and Jews isn't grounds for apostasy.
Not in every case, but in in the case where you ally with them AGAINST muslims, then yes you leave the fold of Islam.
>If this is true then every muslim leader is an apostate since they all ally with christians and jews
Yes, most are puppets sadly.
>and every muslim citizen who pays taxes and follows the law and uses fiat money is allied with christians/jews so are apostates as well
No, since they have no authority.
>Yet the laws of the land still apply and compromises have to be made.
You're gonna have to prove that.
There's no reason you should support him at all, ask any practicing chechen muslim. You don't know more than them.
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b6392c No.29647
>>29642
>Not in every case, but in in the case where you ally with them AGAINST muslims, then yes you leave the fold of Islam.
Saudi is allied with the West and is fighting muslims in Yemen, so are they out of the fold too? And all the saudis who support and promote their government?
Come on.
Internal fighting is always gonna be a reality.
>Yes, most are puppets sadly.
>No, since they have no authority.
They have power to resist, just like the leaders do, of course consequences will always follow.
>ask any practicing chechen muslim. You don't know more than them.
I have friends who approve of him, so are they apostates?
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a8396f No.29648
>>29647
>Saudi is allied with the West and is fighting muslims in Yemen, so are they out of the fold too? And all the saudis who support and promote their government?
yes
>They have power to resist, just like the leaders do, of course consequences will always follow.
No they don't, that's why no scholar takfirs people living in a west. If they aren't there for dawah then it's a sin on them, and they have leave to the lands of islam.
>I have friends who approve of him, so are they apostates?
yes
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b6392c No.29649
>>29648
That's all wrong. So we'll just disagree.
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b6392c No.29650
>>29648
And joining the West to bomb ISIS is not grounds for apostasy. ISIS are the apostates, they deserve to be faught. And the "rebels" (the confused pawns) are helping ISIS indirectly.
But I agree the Saudi leadership is evil for their their war of aggression in Yemen.
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a8396f No.29651
>>29650
It's not about isis, but the civilians putin kills and the soldiers chechen sends to help him.
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b6392c No.29652
>>29651
even in self-defensive war innocents will die as collateral damage. your position basically says anyone who engages in war will be an apostate.
can you conduct war without collateral damage?
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733b9a No.29653
>>29650
>war of aggression in Yemen.
Except the war was started by iran whose explicit foreign policy is to spread terrorism in the Arab world.
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b6392c No.29654
>>29653
Thank you CNN/Israel for the fact check.
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733b9a No.29655
>>29654
You're welcome, /pol/ LARPer.
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563bac No.29656
>>29655
>Iran started it
>he fell for Israeli/saud propaganda
got any proof? Or no? Mozel tov
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a8396f No.29657
>>29652
>your position basically says anyone who engages in war will be an apostate
No, strawman, my position is any muslim who fights muslims, with no care for their safety and allies with kuffar against the muslim, has left the religion of islam, he is an apostate.
It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever parts from obedience, and splits away from the Jama'ah and dies, then he has died a death of Jahiliyyah. Whoever rebels against my Ummah, killing good and evil people alike, and does not try to avoid killing the believers, and does not pay attention to those who are under a covenant, then he is not of me. Whoever fights for a cause that is not clear, advocating tribalism, getting angry for the sake of tribalism, and he is killed, then he has died a death of Jahiliyyah.'"
https://sunnah.com/nasai/37/149
This is what kadyrov does by allying with russia to kill muslim civilians, without care. And the same for assad and his majoosi cronies. And anyone who supports them, is an apostate.
>self-defensive war
Assad is the agressor, not the syrian people. Are you a rafidi by any chance?
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a8396f No.29658
>>29650
>But I agree the Saudi leadership is evil for their their war of aggression in Yemen.
Sorry, but you can't cherry pick tragedies for your own agenda. You don't use any evidences from qu'ran and sunnah for your position, but simply flip flop based on your desire. Either be consistent and condemn both the syrian and yemeni crisis or go back to r/iran and keep your shilling there.
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687636 No.29746
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ae7918 No.30490
He only appears to be a based and a strong leader because he suppresses any kind of rebellion and sucks the gopnik putin
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ea9653 No.42894
People are afraid of him.
Think for yourself why
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