e101ec No.27940
are video games actually haram or am I being tricked by my family? game have both music and pictures of humans and animals and they revolve around bad behavior, usually…
I need to know asap cause I want to buy a new system and my dad thinks his arguments can't be refuted. I want God of War 4
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03fcee No.27941
Not really. I know some strict people could say pictures and music is haram, however, such people wouldn't raise children in the west in the first place since that would be 100% unavoidable making the parents responsible for the sins of their children. So probably your parents just say it's haram because they don't want you playing video games. IMO video games are fine in moderation, just like leisure activities in general.
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55b6cb No.27944
>>27940
Having played previous games in the series I don't feel confident condoning God of War specifically (I will say this, a lot of pious brothers I know have/still play edgier games than that), but vidya in general should be fine as long as you don't play excessively and it doesn't degrade you as a Muslim. Vidya can be beneficial mentally/cognitively/intellectually so try to focus on games like that.
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6db437 No.27947
Video games are fine until you start skipping religious responsibilities to play them. If you're missing out on prayer because you want to play video games, you're holding them to a higher standard than Islam, which is a sin. Similarly, if you consider the fiction of the video game to be more worthy than the contents of Islam, you're sinning. You aren't going to start worshiping Norse gods by playing GoW4, but if you start getting doubts you should cut down on the vidya. Personally I've played through Age of Mythology, Bayonetta and Devil May Cry and haven't had any issues with faith, because at the end of the day they're just stories with gameplay.
If your dad won't let you get a PS4 for GoW4, get one for Monster Hunter. There aren't any deities in that, and it has multiplayer.
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8dcd18 No.28002
Damn the viral marketers for Sony are getting really weird!
/s
Just play some shooters
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86dc92 No.28059
I feel like some of the injunctions against drawing people and animals, or sculpting or making music were intended for the dumbest retards in humanity. These rules shouldn't ruin life for everyone else they only apply to sub 100 IQ folks. I think regular people can draw and listen to music just fine without falling into idolatry or becoming degenerate, etc.
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6db437 No.28062
>>28059
>Muh IQ
Arrogance is a sin. Hiding behind a number to claim that you're immune to one weakness just opens you up to a bigger one.
If you want to know how music and drawing affects you, stop doing them for a few weeks and see what changes.
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60181b No.28063
>>27940
>music
Just turn it off.
>pictures of humans and animals
I don't beleive these are Haram but if you follow this ruling then yes vidya is probably haram
>revolve around bad behaviour
What violence? How does that make seething Haram? If you are talking about sexually explicit conduct in vedio games then just stay away from these games if they are centered around it. get the censored version of you can(If you buy the witcher 3 from Saudi arabia you get a censored version)
You can also just play some grand strategies. It's literally just a map. You can go ahead and mod whatever little Drawings in it that exist if you find them revolting. My quite conservative salafi friend loves Eu4
>want to buy a new system
Brother don't even waste your money on a console
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52bcf1 No.28064
>>28059
It has nothing to do with IQ except how you're showing your low IQ by applying blanket binary reasoning to a complex legal matter. Way to go.
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ffba5b No.28071
>>28064
You don't think low IQ people are more likely to fall into idolatry than high IQ?
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f5b0ba No.28078
>>28071
Low IQ people tend to follow directions and do what they're told, rather than innovate and think for themselves.
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78160f No.28097
>>28078
they are more likely to fall into idolatry, specially if other people around them are doing it. They are deficient in critical thinking and are more gullible.
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05b0f8 No.28104
>>28097
Why does it matter if others are vulnerable that you should expose yourself to this intoxicant that is music?
Disclaimer I listen to music but I try to listen to less.
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41eba4 No.28109
>>28097
False,the greeks, egyptians, chinese, indians, all had great high iq civilizations yet worshiped statues, cats, dragons, cows ect
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b79326 No.28171
>>28109
False. It was rare for them to actually worship those things in themselves, they just used them in ceremonies and as symbols and sacred reminders.
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41eba4 No.28187
>>28171
Still shirk. Implying you or anyone else is too smart for shirk is arrogance, there is no such indication in the quran. Fear Allah and know your fallibility.
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05b0f8 No.28460
Seriously though, you should do away with all your childish behaviors. Imagine how much you could learn if you spent 5 hours on the weekends studying instead of wasting it on some game
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1779aa No.28486
Have you brothers noticed any benefit after abstaining from music?
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f5b0ba No.28488
>>28486
I don't abstain from music, so no.
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1779aa No.28490
>>28488
I see, I've been trying to listen to monophonic music lately, with the intention to stop listening to music further in time.
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f5b0ba No.28493
>>28490
Why? Music is not haram. Are you Salafiyyah?
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1779aa No.28512
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f5b0ba No.28513
>>28512
Ok, well, keep in mind that it is a choice. We are not allowed to call haram that which Allah has deemed halal. If you wish to abstain from music, so be it; but don't tell others that they must do the same.
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1779aa No.28514
>>28513
Got it brother, wassalam (even if I'm not a revert yet).
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41eba4 No.28516
>>28514
Music is haram, this opinion is held by all the four schools of Islam.
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f5b0ba No.28518
>>28516
First of all, there are more than 4 schools of Islam. Second, the debate over music is long ongoing and there is no consensus. Even a simple internet search proves that consensus has never been reached.
Some say all music is haram.
Some say voice and drum are ok, but instruments are not.
Some say instruments are ok, but voice is not.
Some say all music is halal.
Allah permitted David to write some of the most beautiful music the world has ever known and Allah knows best. Music is not haram.
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41eba4 No.28525
>>28518
>David to write some of the most beautiful music the world has ever known
Proof?
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b5c657 No.28527
>>28486
I used to procrastinate because of music. I'd put on music while doing something, and if the music ran out first I'd put another song on, and if whatever I was doing ran out I'd do more of it until the song finished. Since I stopped listening to music it hasn't been a problem.
It's worth cutting music out your life for a bit just to see how it affects you.
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7e118b No.28528
>>28527
I agree, music is intoxicating. People will find that they don’t really miss it if they can fill that niche with something else like learning or spending time with family.
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f5b0ba No.28529
>>28525
They're called the Psalms.
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9506c7 No.28531
>>28529
Those are sung a capella, as far as I know
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f5b0ba No.28532
>>28531
Perhaps, but they serve as proof that music is not haram.
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41eba4 No.28534
>>28529
That's not an islamic authoritative text. Especially if you compare it with hadith and tafsir that say music is indeed haram.
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]
The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).
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f5b0ba No.28537
>>28534
I see you use a politicized Qur'an. When I see Luqmaan 6, I see this:
Some men there are who buy diverting talk to lead astray from the way of God without knowledge, and to take it in mockery; those – there awaits them a humbling chastisement.
No mention of music or singing. The parenthesis in your interpretation are biased.
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41eba4 No.28554
>>28537
So you know better than Ibn Abbas r.a who, the prophet PBUH made du'a that he understands the quran?
And incite [to senselessness] whoever you can among them with your voice and assault them with your horses and foot soldiers and become a partner in their wealth and their children and promise them." But Satan does not promise them except delusion.
Surah 17:64
<(And fool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice,) It was said that this refers to singing. Mujahid said, "With idle entertainment and singing,'' meaning, influence them with that.
Point is, to say you know better than the 4 imams of ahlul sunnah and ibn abbas r.a tafsir, is to say the least, arrogant. I would be cautious if I was in your position and not post my opinion like it's a fact.
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a2930c No.28564
>>28554
Do you agree with every single one of Ibn 'Abbas's(ra) opinions?
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f5b0ba No.28566
>>28554
No, but I do think I know better than a politicized interpretation of Qur'an that pushes a specific agenda.
And startle whomsoever of them thou canst with thy voice; and rally against them thy horsemen and thy foot, and share with them in their wealth and their children, and promise them!' But Satan promises them naught, except delusion. 17:64
Again, no mention of music or singing. I take it you're using Mushin Khan's interpretation?
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f5b0ba No.28569
>>28554
Should also take this moment to point out that the vast majority of Ibn Abbas's tafsir was compiled by El-Firuz Abadi several hundred years after Ibn Abbas's death. Before you accept it as gospel truth, you might want to keep that in mind.
Have common sense, don't blindly follow.
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d3da95 No.28605
I play the ukulele, is my ukulele haram? :(
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f5b0ba No.28606
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d3da95 No.28614
>>28607
Neat! I have an Amahi Penguin.
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