b3915e No.27432
walahi my son is leaving islam I read his messages with friends , he believes plato more than muhammad, I don't know what he means or how to help him.
He comes to masjid and eats halal but I think his heart has changed. He doesn't read Quran he reads the philosophy books from his school every day.
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13d728 No.27434
>>27432
There's nothing wrong with reading philosophy books. Heck, if it wasn't for Muslim society, those texts would have been lost to time.
As for leaving Islam, maybe you should ask him.
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05667e No.27436
>walahi
Don't swear by God's name for no reason
>I read his messages with friends
Why are you violating your son's privacy?
>I don't know what he means or how to help him.
Then start learning what he might see in these books and discuss the topics instead of naively thinking you can shield him from the world.
I hate to break it to you, but it sounds like your relationship with your son is very dysfunctional, ask yourself why your immediate reaction to him reading is to assume he no longer believes?
I used to watch anti-theist youtubers (amazing atheist, mrrepzion and cultofdusty) rant about religion when I was like 13 because I knew that I could not defeat something I couldn't understand, I've just gotten done with my Nietzsche and Peterson phase now I'm looking at people like Zizek and Stirner.
I have in no way left Islam, I am very much Muslim and reading and learning have helped me look at my religion in different ways as well as get better at arguing for it. e.g: I believe our moral base is egoism and that Islam solves the Socratic paradox of egoism and that free speech is important to prevent injustice like what happened to Ibn Tayimah as well as give opportunities for dawah and I have a burning hatred for riba.
Seeking knowledge is important and remember that it is Allah who guides so do not despair.
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a13415 No.27442
>>27432
I haven't read much into philosophy myself yet, but I remember Plato had good pro-monotheistic philosophical arguments, insha allah your son will benefit from reading his books. I recommend taking advantage of the situation and suggesting he read stuff like Kierkegaard, Aquinas (see "Five Proofs"), Descartes, Kant (on ethics), also some of the Islamic golden age philosophers like al faraabi, ibn sina, and ibn rushd.
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eaa2ca No.27443
Aristotle is “ourguy”, Plato not so much.
Point your son towards Aristotle and the Islamic Aristotelians.
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eaa2ca No.27444
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f82b8c No.27445
I wonder how a parent completely disconnected from the current generation stumbled upon 8chan.
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d693ee No.27456
>>27432
Plato's thought did have quite an influence on islamic philosophy
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c0a1d6 No.27462
>>27432
>He comes to masjid and eats halal
If he actually goes to a Masjid for reasons outside of Jummah prayers AND eats only halal food then he is considered more religious than a significant majority of Muslims in the Modern Age.
I suppose the reason he reads philosophy books now instead of the Quran is because he already knows the rules and moral lessons from the Quran well and is simply trying to satisfy his curiosity by moving into uncharted territories; Muslims Scholars of the past did this aswell.
These messages he exchanges with his friends that may be deemed "heretical" are probably his ways of invoking and expressing his curiosity about the ways of God.
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564ccb No.27532
Give him the sufi pill it's the only way. He will love Islam again then.
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467d12 No.27618
>>27532
Can you recommend some material friend?
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f82b8c No.27694
>>27618
I don't know much about sufism personally but popular speakers like Hamza Yusuf and AbdulHakim Murad are sufi inclined so their materials might be a good starting point.
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f07ab3 No.28086
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3260de No.28089
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f109fd No.29221
This is why some kids need to be beat, lightly
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492e47 No.29260
>>27432
is this a troll? PAHHAHHAHAHA so weak bait
>2018
>kids reading plato
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71b03f No.29276
>>29260
That's not surprising at all, you seem really out of touch, kids nowadays have instant access to any information they want.
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003e4f No.35163
>>27432
He's just exploring his avenues. Atheism manifests less in this form and more in abandoning metaphysical pursuits. Philosophy may help him gain a better grasp of Islam. Point him to some of the Greek inspired Islamic theologians.
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1b1bde No.35198
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bda621 No.35435
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71b03f No.35436
>>35435
That's just the texas sharpshooter fallacy akh
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5eefc6 No.37262
>>29276
ye i'm sure they're reading boring philosphy treatises and not being degenerates on snapogram
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c7afa0 No.37275
>>37262
That's literally what me and my friends do
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c0a49d No.37277
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7130a3 No.37279
>>37277
>asharis are degenerates on snapogram
t. Mutazili
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c7afa0 No.37285
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c0a49d No.37288
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