/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>discussing muslims instead of Islam

>implying it’s possible for people to destroy Allah’s religion

>implying it’s possible for people to lead others on right path when we know it is Allah who guides or misguides

>No doctrine presented to discuss, just asking for everyone’s snap judgements

Please take this to QTDDTOT

Salafis are ok, but not the pro saudi ones, they usually are murjite deviants who should not be trusted.

>>27317

I think murji' has a nice ring to it tbh.

>>27318

>>27317

Sunnis have conditions for fighting leader, murjia do not. Sunnis know iman goes up and down, murjia do not. Sunnis don’t deny a connection between actions and iman, murjia do. Before you call people murji you should make sure they fit the description, otherwise it’s just a bad forced meme.

and another vid

Saudi Arabia Leaving Salafism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyHeRImQOl0

interesting, no?

>>27322

Tim Winter from his ivory perch in the UK blames Sunnis for Iran taking over 4 sunni capitals. He is diminished by his callous disregard for the plight of Sunnis. Lost all respect.

>>27322

Literally, this creep never even condemned the kaffir tyrant Bashar Assad - he only condemns Sunnis outside his whirling dervish circle. Seriously makes me ill.

>>27322

And here is a real sufi sheikh. Contrast him to Winter please.

>>27317

>>27318

Can’t you guys focus on the the obvious taghoot leaders like Khameini, Nasrallat, The Dayoothis (Houthis) etc.? Even if you are mad at Sunni leaders you can make dua for them to be rectified. The rafida don’t distinguish between you and the sunni rulers. They say Saudi is Daesh and Daesh is Saudi - they want all sunnis dead and replaced with hazara scum settlers.

>>27329

We don't have ppl who praise rafida here thats why I don't talk about them much. But I reject them equally. Ale salul are an obstacle to us taking over persia and making it sunni again.

>>27330

Ok. Even if I disagree with you at least youre genuine. This board is crawling with crypto-shia though. They make posts about how much they hate sunni rulers and then they make another post w/ same IP about “Imam Ali (as)”. They are exploiting the sunnis for being politically divided.

>>27330

This is the exact same kind of rhetoric used by the rafidha. "Oh we'll definitely fight israel and US, it's just that Saudi Arabia is the obstacle". The rafidha and khawarij are two sides of the same coin, allies of the mushrikun and harsh on the believers.

>>27322

It's undeniable that shia terrorists are going to Syria, Iraq etc are motivated by their pagan religion to murder civilian. Why don't we ever hear anyone condemning this extremist ideology?

>>27337

Shi'a is not a pagan religion and terrorism in all forms is condemned.

>>27338

>Shi'a is not a pagan religion

Get real.

>terrorism in all forms is condemned.

evidently not.

>>27340

>>27339

All Muslims are welcome on this board, even the ones you don't like.

>>27340

Wouldn't be the first board made based on "/islam/ is compromised!", but I wish you luck with your new board and hope it grows. I've added it to the links in >>11001

Though I'm not sure how this board has been compromised. I've literally always been BO and have always said that all Muslims are welcome, regardless of masjid affiliation. It's nothing new, so it can't be a compromise.

>>27344

You're a good man. The problem is your tolerance being exploited by the current vols - that's all.

>>27340

You just ban anyone that is anti saudi, how is that proper modship?

>>27348

>If you want to jihadist LARP, go to >>>/islamicstate/

>>27345

>You're a good man

Perhaps.

>your tolerance

My vision for this board is that it can be a place to learn. A place where people new to Islam can find information and not be smacked in the head with minutia pertaining to "my masjid is better than yours". Some people come to Islam through Sufi texts, some through the old Shi'a poets, and some through discovering an admiration of a historical figure. I don't want them to see this board and turn away from Islam because they ask a question or make a statement that gets greeted with derision, scorn, and insult. Converts to Islam already face discrimination and anger. There's no reason we should add to that.

We are all converts. Remember how the brothers and sisters treated you and pay it forward.

>>27355

I see I have insulted your saudi gods so I am takfired.

>>27358

I believe people should be allowed to speak out against the Saudi Kingdom. Islam permits us to stand against unjust rulers and rebuke them. I have not seen people calling for their death or slaughter. If I have missed something, please let me know.

>>27363

Abdur Rashid,

In the context of the sharia when you make takfir on a muslim ruler you are declaring their blood halal. We all know that.

>>27364

Has anyone said the Saud aren't Muslim?

>>27363

He's not "speaking out" he's calling the entire ruling family apostate munafiqs wajibul-qatl ie spamming isis rhetoric. I haven't said anything about moderation policies so far. If that's allowed then it's allowed I guess, not much I can do about it. Personally I'd just hate to see this place get overrun by isis LARPers because I already saw it happen to another forum I used to visit.

>>27366

see>>27330

it happens in every thread these people infect, it's not something you can miss.

>>27366

All the time. ITT one of the khwarij even call ale Saud as "ale Salul" which means he is calling them munafiqeen aka secret kuffar.

Can one of you re-open the trini thread? Id rather argue with the trinis than the muslims.

>>27366

It's a valid opinion.

So, what are some known wahabi sites or YouTube channels to watch out for?

I know IslamQA.info should be avoided like the plague.

>>27329

nice projection wahabbi

>>27393

Islam isn't meant to be "fashy".

>>27393

You've clearly never visited Saudi, central asian style clothes don't fit the hot desert climate over there.

>>27395

I wouldn't want to live there anyway. Hot weather isn't an excuse for such fashion, I've lived in plenty of hot places

>>27394

then why so much attention to grooming, beards, dress regulations, dress length, color coordination…no other religion pays so much attention to clothes friend

>>27399

I can't tell whether you're a /fa/ggot sperging about fashion sense or a normalfag who thinks everyone in the world should dress in a particular way. They don't say its wajib to dress like that so leave them be. Remember you'll be wearing that white thawb when you make your hijra, inshaallah.

>>27400

Oh, I don't know … Torah has 37 commandments specifically about clothing, what to wear, and how to wear it. And that's just about day to day dress. There's another couple dozen rules for clothing worn to Temple and by priests. I'd say Judaism wins the clothing rules lottery.

>>27393

yep, the males have bad styles but the women's is the worst.

I like the cloak(bisht) they were in Saudi Arabia though. Can regular people wear those or will that come across as pretentious?

>>27459

Dress for the weather. If you're comfortable in disha dasha and thobe, so be it. I live in the American South and the light, billowy clothing is comfy as hell in summer. Don't worry about what people think. Be comfortable and modest.

>>27460

Actually I live in the west and am too self conscious to wear anything that stands out tbh. But if I lived in a muslim country I'd try the thobe and bisht combo.

>>27297

Salafiyya is not supposed to be a sect. It was an epoch. Being upon that which the salaf were upon is waajib, but the fact is that most of the great Imams of the salaf were sufis. They respected traditional Islamic teachings, while modern Saudi salafis are just another sect, not Ahlus Sunnah.

>>27393

>>27393

Tajiks are good people, have a few friends they are humble, pious and very chill. Saudis are more uptight and their jokes are vulgar, not a fan.

>>29382

The only gulf Arab I met was a very chill dude. Too chill, unfortunately, that he was an apostate. He managed to open my eyes to other viewpoints though which fortunately aided in my acceptance of Islam.

There is no Wahhabism or Salafism. There is One Islam!

>>42302

Try telling the Wahhabists that …

>>42333

As far as I know they never called themselves to be Wahhabi, just Islam.

>>42378

Gay people never call themselves sodomites, but that's what they are.

>>42379

That's just different way of calling them gays.

Using different term to refer to the same thing doesn't change anything.

Also I'm pretty sure some people also labelling your sect as something other than "Islam", by using your logic then your sect is not right either.

>>42333

wahabi is code word for anti-sunni

anyone who prays or has a beard today is called a vahappi

good job using divisive terminology

>>42388

No, anyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab as more important than Qur'an and the Sunnah is literally a Wahhabist and, thus, not Muslim. Cope.

>>42388

It's abused by some instigators, because they take advantage over a division caused by salafis in the first place. Salafis distanced themselves from the Sunnis by claiming them to be mushriks/"sects headed for hellfire" whereas their selves were the firqa najiya.

>>42389

What's your basis for takfeer? Are you a shiite?

>>42394

They don't tho, greaveworshipping sufis are not sunni

>>42389

The teachings of ibn Abdul Wahab are the same as the Qur'an. Cope.

>>42398

Then one of them is unnecessary and can be trashed. Guess which one …

>>42402

What?

>>42403

If they're the exact same, then one of them is not needed. If they're not exactly the same, then one is innovation.

>>42404

What?

>>42405

If they're the exact same, then one of them is not needed. If they're not exactly the same, then one is innovation.

I was browsing le other 8chan site (because /wooo/ moved over ) and there was a relatively new /islam/ board (quite inactive however). Could you also add it to >>11001 ?

the link is https://8ch.moe/islam/

>>42402

Akhi, anon meant that Ibn AbdWahhab taught tawheed like the quran. Why so negative :(

Salafism has its own flaws . but in general they're to the right path compared to sufis and achaira .

Ps: the pro governement ones are all fuarked up murtadeen no matter what movement he is in .

Now what we should focus on is

اعلاء كلمة الحق و تحكيم شرع الله و الجهاد في سبيله و الكفر بطاغوت النظام العالمي الجديد و كل من اعانه من حكام مستعمراتنا العربية و كلابهم المرتدين . thats our priority .

Scientific discussions aren't meant for us normal people .

Tl;dr : salafis are like people . some of them are good and some of them are bad . the whole movement has its own flaws but that is totally normal as no one is fully right except our prophet عليه و على اله ازكى الصلاة و التسليم .

And know that now one is to be trusted fully . الحي لا تؤتمن عليه الفتنة .

And seek islamic knowledge and ask allah to lighten your path in that .

>>42446

>Scientific discussions aren't meant for us normal people

Any movement that wants you to stay uneducated and ignorant is called a "cult". Science is the study of Allah's creation and is for everybody.

>dude the 4 madhhabs have so much disagreements so we must go to the source to find the "truth" and one uniform fiqh and call it salafism

>3 salafi colleagues and contemporary scholars that all study the same editions of the same printed books still manage to end up with even more disagreements in fiqh and aqidah than the 4 Imams of the madhhabs that lived in different times in different different cities without modern means of communications and without a shared library

lul

>>42525

The difference is in aqidah not fiqh.

>>27297

the best salafi's are the ones that type "salafee" and "Akhee"

>It is obligatory upon the Muslim to follow the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), according to the way of the righteous salaf who followed the guidance of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), the Sahaabah and those who followed them – may Allah be pleased with them all.

>Everyone who has any knowledge of the movement of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab (may Allah have mercy on him) and his message knows that he sought to spread the message of pure Tawheed and to warn against shirk in all its forms, such as attachment to the dead, or to trees and rocks, etc.

>In his ‘aqeedah (belief), he was following the way of the righteous Salaf and the earliest Muslim generations, as is indicated by his books and fatwas, and the books of his followers among his sons and grandsons and others. His message was in accordance with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

>Wahhaabism is not a new way or a new school of thought; rather it is a call to Tawheed and the revival of aspects of the religion that had been forgotten. What you have to do is to beware of those who warn you against the Wahhabis such as deviant Shia etc, because they are warning you against following the truth and the early generation of this ummah.

>Applying the word “Wahhaabis” to those who adhere to correct belief and warning people against them is the way of the ignorant and biased. We ask Allah to keep the Muslims safe and sound.

>>42550

Funny how MIAW's entire works on aqeedah combined (Kitab Tawheed, Usul Iman, Nawqidh Islam et al.) are only about 200 pages long, yet no one can refute or attack him there.

All they can do is throw ad hominems like vehappi.