87b1ed No.26795 [Last50 Posts]
I used to find myself to be at the very least a decent Muslim. I would pray 5 times a day, read the Qur'an every night in both Arabic and English, go to Friday prayers, attend Islamic youth studies, avoid major sins like Zina, eating Haram/non-zabiha meat, etc. The only major sins I knowingly committed were my addiction to masturbation and pornography, which I used as an excuse to contain myself from fornication.
I always prayed to Allah swt that I wanted to become a better Muslim and strengthen my imam, and I've taken steps into taking that path, especially recently. But I feel like my connection is getting weaker, and I'm scared because I don't wish to displease Allah swt. My passion in Islam has massively deteriorated in the past week and I've been suffering quite badly with a lot of inner turmoil, confusion and doubt.
I recently given up masturbation and pornography, something I wanted to do but subconsciously wanted to hold onto. It was my vice so getting off of them was hard and I'm not sure how I long I can maintain. I've only been at it for a week (I did nofap during one Ramadan for 11 days, but I felt that it actually pushed me to borderline commit zina). That has led me to extreme boredom and even mild depression.
What truly made matters worse was my discovery that drawing, something that I very much enjoy and am passionate about, is not only haram but a grave major sin. Listening to music, another thing I enjoy (although I prefer video game OSTs over mainstream music) is also Haram. At first, I thought these were just opinions from those super orthodx Muslim imams, but my own extensive research made me come to the conclusion that they're indeed right. I very much wanted to believe my own whims, but I was just denying the truth. I know Allah swt will always forgive me, but it absolutely destroyed my heart how many of the things that I love that I wasn't even aware were bad things are big sins.
I've been really depressed recently. I can't go back to those things anymore. I can't find a qt 3.14 wife who's pious but has a sexual appetite to fully satisfy my needs. I wanted to get closer to Allah swt, but I feel like it had the opposite effect.
I need help.
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56a522 No.26797
What did the extensive research consist of?
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87b1ed No.26798
>>26797
Reading the Hadith, listening to several different imams/muftis, asking others online, etc. I couldn't find much results that supported my whims.
I don't wish to question the wisdom of Rasulullah pbuh or Allah swt, but I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that being a picture maker is seen as something among the worst sins. I can see if you did it for idoltary reasons or if you have a good-sized over it, but when I drew living things, I never thought to myself that I was competing with Allah swt or that I was creating life.
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87b1ed No.26799
>>26798
God-complex*, not good-sized.
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56a522 No.26800
>>26798
This topic is not as clear cut as most people claim. Check out Mufti Abu Layth al Maliki. If you search his name on youtube along with music or drawing you'll find his discussions on it.
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b6b7d5 No.26805
Just relax. Music and frivolously drawing living images is disliked and seen as haram by many scholars. But there have always been different interpretations. These are tangential issues but the safest bet is to avoid them entirely but your intention is a factor as well. One way to boost your iman is to giveup something Allah dislikes eventhough you like it. It’s possible you like something that is bad for you and dislike something that is better.
Right off the bat many scholars say that without the face there is no life so you can draw faceless things. Others are even more lenient. And music? The pro-music faction are dominant in muslim countries right now as music is inescapable. That doesn’t make it right but just don’t have a spiritual crisis because you can’t do something you like (if your research leads to that conclusion.
I used to LOVE scotch whiskey. Would you take me seriously if I said im having a crisis because I “very much enjoy and am passionate about” scotch whiskey? Maybe you are born muslim and this is your chance to experience what it is like for reverts (including the sahaba) to give up things they used to do fisabilillah.
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87b1ed No.26810
>>26800
>Some progressive guy who says things
>versus the word of the majority of scholars and the four Islamic Schools of Law
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56a522 No.26812
>>26810
>some progressive guy
Who has studied Islam for decades and cites classical authorities all the time whom you've never heard of because you just go with the first fatwa you find from an english google search.
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9a55f7 No.26813
>>26810
>four Islamic Schools of Law
Since you're pointing out someone else's ignorance, I just thought I'd inform you that there are more than 4 madhhab. There are 8.
Hanafi (Sunni)
Maliki (Sunni)
Shafi'i (Sunni)
Hanbali (Sunni)
Ja`fari (inc. Mustaali-Taiyabi Ismaili) (Shia)
Zaidiyyah (Shia)
Ibadiyyah
Zahiriyah
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62a61b No.26814
Whenever you give something up for the sake of Allah, he gives you something better. That said, try not to rush yourself into quitting everything you like at once. The trick to making good habits stick is to make them into habits.
If you actively listen to music, try listening to Quranic recitations or nasheeds. If you just want something in the background, try http://rainymood.com/
As for drawing, there are differences on opinion on it. Some people allow them for instructional or educational purposes. Some allow for pictures without living things, so nature drawings should be fine. You could also get into calligraphy, or those geometric patterns that come up often in Islamic art. You don't have to rule out drawing entirely.
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56a522 No.26815
>>26813
He probably means the rest aren't valid. It still doesn't make sense though because Mufti Abu Layth is part of one of the four (sunni) schools of law anyway. He's not in opposition to them.
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87b1ed No.26817
>>26812
I didn't settle on one person's word, I scattered around looking for as many scholarly opinions that would support my whims. When I saw ones that did, they were usually countered with several passages from the Hadith. I'm in a state of great confusion. Yesterday, may Allah forgive me, I entertained the idea of soft apostasy to Christianity or some kind of corruption of Islam. My parents told me that I'm now taking religion too seriously, but that's probably because they too don't want to live in a world where they have to give up worldly pleasures like music.
I don't wish to anger Allah swt, even if it means I have to repress myself. It's still greatly upsetting to me and sometimes I wished I still lived in blissful ignorance.
>>26814
100% of the art I enjoy involve living things. They're usually for enjoying as creative or entertainment purposes. Therefore, I cannot involve myself in this hobby anymore.
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b6b7d5 No.26818
>>26817
>I entertained the idea of soft apostasy to Christianity
You worry that Allah dislikes drawings but entertain fullblown shirk. Smh.
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56a522 No.26819
>>26817
>>When I saw ones that did
Who were they?
I'm curious as to how you in a couple of days managed to find out and read the opinions of the majority of scholars of 1400 years.
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9a55f7 No.26821
>>26795
I wonder if you'll take a step back and re-read what you've written here. You're making this all about you. It's not about you. Creation is Allah's and Allah's alone. You don't own it. It is not here to bend to your will.
You have to make a choice: follow the will of Allah or try to make Allah follow yours.
Questioning does not anger Allah. Selfishness does.
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87b1ed No.26836
>>26819
It's stated multiple times in the Hadith.
Rasulullah saw said, "The worst punishment on the Day of Resurrection will be for those who imitate the creation of Allah (by making pictures);" and "A tongue-like fire will come out of Hell (on the Day of Resurrection) and say: I am the punishment for whoever worshipped other than Allah, and a stubborn tyrant, and the picture makers."
To go against the Hadith is going against the Prophet saw, which is forbidden.
>>26821
I am a weak person, I don't deny this. I ask for forgiveness at least five times a day, although generally probably 20. I don't want to be a transgressor who asks for forgiveness and then goes back to sinning nonchalantly. I don't wish to abuse Allah swt's forgiveness.
Sometimes, I wish I was simply born in a Muslim dominated country in the old days before the age of colonialism and Internet. At least that way, all the temptations of sinning would be a lot easier to avoid built on a hardened Muslim society where the only thing fun to do was read the Qur'an or socialize at the mosque. I thank Allah swt for all the fortunes he has given me, however. But we live in an age where there's too many distractions, where sex, music and picture making, the latter two which are also present in Muslim countries. I'm too weak and easily fall prey to them.
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56a522 No.26837
>>26836
>Rasulullah saw said, "The worst punishment on the Day of Resurrection will be for those who imitate the creation of Allah (by making pictures)
What you added in the parenthesis, which really is the most important part here, are not even part of the hadith. But either way, reconciling that hadith with the Quran(eg Solomon(as) having made statues for him) and other hadiths on the same topic(eg Aisha(ra) owning figurines of animate beings) one can conclude that the "picture makers" here are makers of idols.
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b6b7d5 No.26838
>>26836
Calm.Down. You are here for a reason.
If you really think it is sinful then abandon it or ask for the strength to and make istighfar in the meantime. Increase Quran reciting and praying too. Wake for tahajjud and ask for clear guidance and strength.
Maybe you have better undiscovered talents in non-life like drawing/art like architecture or calligraphy or fractals.
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9a55f7 No.26839
>>26836
>I wish I was simply born in a Muslim dominated country in the old days
There you go making it about you again.
You're here now because that's where Allah put you. It's not about you.
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b6b7d5 No.26840
>>26839
Yeah. And even back then there were munafiqeen and open haters of Islam - eventhough they met the Prophet! People that struggle with submitting today should be terrified of having been born back then. Imagine if you sat with the Prophet and then still ended up being insolent towards an Nabi pbuh.
>Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and he was sharing out some wealth, Dhu’l-Khuwaysirah, a man from Banu Tameem, came and said: O Messenger of Allah, be fair! The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Woe to you! Who will be fair if I am not fair? You will be doomed and lost if I am not fair.” ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said: O Messenger of Allah, give me permission to strike his neck. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Let him be, for he has companions, in comparison to whose prayer one of you would regard his prayer as insignificant, and he would regard his fasting as insignificant in comparison to their fasting. They recite the Qur’aan but it does not go any further than their collarbones. They will pass out of Islam as an arrow passes out of the prey.
Bukhari and Muslim
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87b1ed No.26880
So, what is the policy of a Muslim who does his prayers, fasts, gives zakat (although much limited due to advice from elders), reads his Qur'an, etc. but does major sins like pornography and masturbation, drawing and listening to music? I understand that Allah SWT forgives all sins (except shirk) and will repeatedly forgive you for committing those sins repeatedly if you're sincere. I just don't want to be among those who do major sins and ask for tawba and immediately go back to sinning, at least not with true sincerity. Is there even a place in jannah for those types? What if it's an addiction?
Pornography is such an evil with an allure that is very powerful. I don't want to go back to masturbation and pornography, but I fear that a relapse is very high possibility. Hearing stories about how some people mananged to go more than a year and then relapse is scary. Obviously, I will use masturbation as a way to protect myself from zina, but I hate this oversexualized world we live in. Why can't we be in a 1950s-like society where family was seen as a wonderful thing, where women were more pious and all the people who did decadent and degenerate things were cast out of society? This is why I hate Marxists and liberals so much for enabling these things like free love or the sexual revolution.
Please mention me in your duas, brothers. All I want is to be deserving of Allah SWT's love and mercy and to make Him proud.
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56a522 No.26881
>>26880
The policy is to not despair of Allah's mercy but rather continue making tawbah and trying one's best to stop any major sin.
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87b1ed No.26882
>>26880
To add, I hate when I'm told to just go get married.
Obviously, I do want to get married, but the elders who suggest it like it's an easy thing to do are oblivious to how things are today. Women are so picky.
I'm entirely afraid of marriage. I'm glad that women can get divorces from abusive and poisonous marriages, but it seems as though women have too much liberation in it. Divorces are way too common and some people throw divorce parties and even brag about it. I don't want to be stuck paying alimony while only seeing my children on the weekends while an ex-wife takes my home, car and life. It's no wonder why people of my age are so hesitant to get married, because marriage in this modern world has been ruined.
I'm told just to get an arranged marriage, but I don't want to end up with some illerate and uncultured farm girl who doesn't even connect with me. I do want a pious, virtuous woman who values her purity but at the same time I don't want to end up with some prude who only has sex for reproducing only.
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03a234 No.26885
>>26880
>gives zakat (although much limited due to advice from elders)
???
Do you mean sadaqa? Most young guys don’t meet the nisab to give zakat. And it certainly can’t be “limited” - it’s a fixed rate on the nisab.
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03a234 No.26886
>>26882
>I don't want to end up with some prude who only has sex for reproducing only.
Omigosh, stop overthinking things. Couples have a right and obligation to keep eachother satisfied, it nips sin in the bud. And that problem is very very rare anyway. And if that is a severe problem - ie a frigid wife - then she should encourage you to take a second wife or you can terminate the marriage.
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87b1ed No.26887
>>26885
I just money in the box that says zakat.
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03a234 No.26888
>>26887
Yeah, that box is for people who actually calculated their zakat al mal. The only zakat you give without calculating is zakat ul fitr. And the zakat al fitr is collected separately since it must be used to buy food for the poor whereas the use of zakat al mal is more broad.
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d35c33 No.26893
It is good that you admitted your problem that seems to be depression which is made worse from your addiction to masturbation.
I think as you fix your life you will find your faith become stronger.
I used to be in ruts before as well. You have to change something to get out of a rut. You have to change something in your life. Whatever is the root of your sin must be confronted.
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92f129 No.26925
You can still draw, just no animals or humans.
You can still listen to nasheeds instead of khabeeth music.
You can find a pious wife with a healthy libido. You just need to search in islamic communities.
Ya akhi all of us go through times of high and low iman, so do not dispair. Keep prayer and ask for guidance. Wa jazak Allahu khayran.
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5558b6 No.26929
>>26925
>You can still draw, just no animals or humans.
no.
when you see a painting of someone are you tempted to worship them?
>You can still listen to nasheeds instead of khabeeth music.
every muslim I know listens to wide range of music, from pop to classic. This injunction is baseless and totally unachievable. Lets not forget all the soundtracks we hear in movies, tv shows, video games, etc
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92f129 No.26930
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b049c7 No.26951
>>26929
>>26929
>tempted
Some people are. Maybe you could go to the appropriate thread and tell us about it, christfriend.
>muh friends
<some muslims sin so it’s not sinful
>music is everywhere
Yes and that’s why if you didnt seek it out it’s not a sin.
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5558b6 No.26953
>>26930
prove drawing people is evil or idolatry.
>>26951
>Yes and that’s why if you didnt seek it out it’s not a sin.
well music is not haram since some instruments and singing was allowed.
anyone with a brain knows movies, tv shows and video games have soundtracks, even the news has background music. Anyone who watches these things will be exposed to music. Pretending that you didn't "seek" them out only works on your first or second exposure, after a while its not an excuse.
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b049c7 No.26954
>>26953
Singing =/= music.
>anyone with a brain knows movies, tv shows and video games have soundtracks, even the news has background music. Anyone who watches these things will be exposed to music. Pretending that you didn't "seek" them out only works on your first or second exposure, after a while its not an excuse.
If your niyyah is to seek out a news show to listen to the music it would fall into the category of seeking the show to touch yourself while looking at the female newsreader. You are actively seeking out something that is at the very least frivolous and makruh.
However if your intention is to ascertain the news or learn the language the news is being broadcast in or some other noble goal then the benefit outweighs the harm.
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92f129 No.26955
>>26953
>prove drawing people is evil or idolatry.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of the people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5950) and Muslim (2109)
Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) saying, "Every painter will go to Hell, and for every portrait he has made, there will be appointed one who will chastise him in the Hell.'' Ibn `Abbas said: If you have to do it, draw pictures of trees and other inanimate things. [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
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20db37 No.26963
>>26955
>The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of the people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers.”
so we can't take pictures of our family and friends? what are you even talking about?
>"Every painter will go to Hell, and for every portrait he has made, there will be appointed one who will chastise him in the Hell.''
maybe he heard wrong, how old was he when he heard this? Not all hadith in bukhari are sahih after all. take it with a grain of salt
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64370c No.26970
Quitting masturbation can be difficult if you are used to doing it on a regular basis. Start by completely quitting porn. When I first tried “no fap” I only made it about a week or so before giving in. I felt bad about it and tried again, this time making it about a month before giving in. I felt bad again, and it seemed that during the first week or 2 weeks the desire was more intense, then died down. I tried again, and this time I made it a couple of months. After that time I haven’t done it in about 2 years. I stopped keeping track. Once you make it for so long, it gets easier. After so long I started having wet dreams which I hadn’t really experienced before. I see them as more of an annoyance than a kind of relief. I am planning on getting married, but there are is an immigration problem for the moment. I got introduced to a practicing sister from a friend of mine.
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92f129 No.26971
>>26963
>he heard wrong
Do you even know who Ibn Abbas (R.A) is?
>Not all hadith in bukhari are sahih after all
Yeah they are, unless you're some kind of quranist lol
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b6b7d5 No.26973
>>26971
That guy does sound like Quranist but he is twisting truth tho like a real shaytan.
There’s a couple hadith that Imam Bukhari includes that are not Sahih - but the Imam introduces them as not Sahih and they’re very few. When people say Sahih Bukhari theyre referring to the 99% of hadiths that are sahih.
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64370c No.26977
>>26970
I guess I shouldn’t say the first time I tried to stop, I had tried a few times before and just ended up giving up. If you just really put effort into it, it is worth it in end. The hardest part is making it over the hurdle of the first weeks. After that it gets easier. I feel a lot better now that I haven’t done it in so long. Masturbation really messes up your testosterone levels and has negative physical and mental effects.
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56a522 No.26994
>>26973
Or maybe there's a middle ground between thinking that al-bukhari was receiving wahy when grading hadiths and being satan himself incarnated as a hadith-rejector.
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b049c7 No.26997
>>26994
Nice double strawman, bro. Anyway shayateen can be men.
و کذالک جعلنا لکل نبی عدواً شیاطین الانس و الجن
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56a522 No.26999
>>26997
Don't give me credit for someone else's strawman lol.
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e9d42c No.27048
>>26971
>Yeah they are, unless you're some kind of quranist lol
so no scholar doubts the authenticity of the "aisha's age" hadith in bukhari? because ive heard many debate that here
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b6b7d5 No.27050
>>27048
No sunni scholar does.
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87b1ed No.27192
Hello, brothers.
I'm happy to report that I have gotten over my grief and despair. I tried to burden myself so hard by trying to become as good of a Muslim as possible. I always acknowledged Allah swt's forgiveness and mercy, but there was ignorance in it. I was misguided into believing that true repentance was only for those who swore to abstain from major sins and never return to it.
I'm a sinner and I'm not proud of it and it hurts knowing this, but Allah's infinite love, forgiveness and mercy will always be there for me. What a truly beautiful deen and God we have!
Here's a good lecture if anyone else ever goes through a similar crisis: https://youtu.be/JYqUNpZaCH8
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15cb7b No.27195
>>26795
forgive me because i'm not a muslim. But wouldn't drawing and listening to music not be a sin in islam. Because mosques usually are decorated in art. the clothes are also decorated in it. Then there is also Islamic music which I hear coming out from Nissans as they drive by. I don't think art is a sin in your religion. It's just degenerate western jewish art. Like ☻s or taylor swift singing about sex and drugs. Or the ☻ty modern art you see today with vagina sculptures or piss in a bottle. I mean i'm not even a muslim but I would see why such art is a sin. It brainwashes the mind in nihlisitc pursuits that lead to decadence in societies. Pic sorta related
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76f8f5 No.27198
>>27195
The art is geometric and inanimate. Ever wonder why the Arab world is not known for its art?
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b6b7d5 No.27199
>>27198
If by art you mean meme paintings that everyone pretends to like such as the Mona Lisa then sure. Is that what you think art is? The leading western ‘artist’ today is a fraud who dunks sharks in formaldehyde and calls it art… color me impressed.
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0a4cb8 No.27391
>>27198
The Arab world is known for its art, as are the Turkic states and Iran
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be5ef6 No.27408
Funny how I posted this 1 day before I saw this thread:
"I can't believe that, although I'm weak in faith when it comes to prayer, I have let go of everything I previously used to do. Like drawing Animate beings, listening to music, and Disobeying my parents and the such. Heck, I am thinking about letting go of my future career job such as being a video game developer to just being a Code programmer. I'll be honest that the Shaytaan still sometimes gets the hold of me, and my family, aside from my mother, is extremely weak in faith. The more I learn about this religion, the more attached I become to it.
Ever-since last week or two, I never touched my beard. Nore have I ever stood for the pledge of allegiance to any Nation. While I'm still taking piano classes, hopefully this time it'll be my last. Also, while I am forced to work in a business in which alcoholic beverages are sold, Bacon and Haram foods is sold and smoke cigars are bought and Lottery tickets are the top priority, Insha'allah, All of these will be gone. My Niyyah (intention) was to dispose of all of this for the benefit of society.
The more I learn about U.S or global history, the more I incline towards Islam, knowing how Islam could've solved all of their problems. Idk, just thought I needed to express this out there."
Brotherhood truly does exist within our Ummah :}
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c839d3 No.27409
>>27199
>the grapes are sour! yuck!
thankfully the mona lisa is not the only piece of art
>The leading western ‘artist’ today is a fraud who dunks sharks in formaldehyde and calls it art… color me impressed.
yes modern art is ☻ because its so abstract, pointless, unskillful and unaesthetic, the opposite of ancient and medieval art.
>>27391
citation needed on their great sculptors and painters and composers
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f4c140 No.27411
In accordance with the quotes you shouldn't be playing games etc. or propagating likenesses of people at all. Why is this board full of non-photographic depictions of people then? Or photos for that matter, the distinction is built on wishful thinking. I understand the phrase was "making" not specifically "painting" or "crafting manually", correct? Its not like photos aren't manipulated with editing tools either. Shouldn't they all be deleted/replaced/hidden on sight by the moderation? How was this not addressed?
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71b177 No.27412
>>27411
Honestly? Because it's an image board. I could make the board text only, but sometimes a good image can communicate way better than words.
I also believe that the image prohibition as this board is concerned extends to the following:
1] Prophets. No images of the prophets.
2] Pornography. No porn or lewd of any kind is allowed. Not even if it's a spoilered image.
3] Immodesty. No images of 3D men or women dressed immodestly.
Otherwise, I figure it's all up for debate.
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f4c140 No.27413
>>27412
>it's all up for debate
At some point one has to draw a line in the sand and say "thats far enough, this prohibition is sufficiently grounded in scholarly consensus, common practice and my own conscience. There is no reason to tolerate the harmful behavior esp. when deleting pictures silences no one's opinions." You ran off with the stick and are currently somewhere in Taklamakan.
Don't delete photos/require them to be posted hidden, fine, but drawings/cgi? This is clearly wrong, you most likely judge it wrong with very little/no doubt, run this board and make the rules. What should inform those rules given your creed and the character of the board? Think on that.
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a738a8 No.27479
sorry for ☻ english,
>that drawing, something that I very much enjoy and am passionate about, is not only haram but a grave major sin.
become an environnemental artist. You're going to get faster recognition anyway. It's rarer. You can use that "burden" to develop your own meta-style: No conscious emotion expression, to express an emotion to the consumer.
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06ed3c No.27526
Why did the mods delete my posts? Can't handle opposing views?
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9a55f7 No.27527
>>27526
What posts? You mean these two?
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06ed3c No.27528
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56a522 No.27529
>>27526
Did you post the vids? Could be they were off topic. I dunno I'm not a mod though.
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06ed3c No.27530
>>27529
yes i did and it was not off-topic
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9a55f7 No.27531
>>27528
So, you deleted your own posts and try to blame the mods? That dog don't hunt.
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9afd22 No.27556
>>26817
>OC image filename
Cute bunny Anon.
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1c80f9 No.27736
>>26795
>>26817
>>26836
Brother, your sincerity and willingness for tawheed has brought tears to my eyes. I pray that I could one day be as you are.
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92780b No.28084
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de3b36 No.41660
saving from the last page
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975703 No.41703
>>41660
Not needed if you use the catalog like a true channer.
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de3b36 No.41704
>>41703
If it gets bumped off page 25 you can no longer reply and the thread dies. This catalog is filled with very bad and locked threads that can die instead.
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f6ff7c No.41705
>>41704
I went through and deleted all locked threads. There were 35 of them going back years. Shows how slow this board can be sometimes. I tend to keep locked threads around for a while so I have something to point to when someone makes a thread we've already discussed and complains when I delete it.
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433788 No.41709
>>26795
For anyone wondering about this post still, Allah is answering his du'a to become a better Muslim.
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d7015c No.41907
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