0169cf No.26011 [Last50 Posts]
Any salafi here can provide me names (and preferably download links) of beginning level and must read books of salafism?
PS: I'm not a lurker here so if you joke about it I won't get it.
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7963a2 No.26012
It's a fine question. The wikipedia page has some good basic information and you can follow the links in the footnotes to dig deeper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement
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239fc0 No.26013
>>26012
Wikipedia is hotchpotch but JazakAllah khair. What are the Quranic verses and authentic hadiths that support salafism? I can think of this one* but I don't want to claim anything about Islam without knowledge.
*https://quran.com/9/100
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7963a2 No.26014
>>26013
Quran doesn't talk about sects at all. Sects (or denominations if you want) came later due to political differences or scholarly interpretation.
Salafi is a pretty small denomination. I've never understood the fixation on it.
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4de999 No.26015
>>26014
From salafi point of view, salafism is not a sect but Islam itself, AFAIK. They see themselves as a comeback to 'real Islam' as a reaction to 'corrupted' one, again AFAIK.
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7963a2 No.26016
>>26015
Yeah, I've heard that argument, but I've never been a big fan of people who say "I'm right and everyone else is wrong!" I am a big fan of the Salafi movement to bring back a more pure form of Islam, but they're focused exclusively on Sunni Islam. If "older = better", then the Ibadi have it right.
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0a8f63 No.26017
>>26015
>From salafi point of view, salafism is not a sect but Islam itself, AFAIK.
True in a sense, but it is also the case that they claim to be al firqa al naajiya, the saved sect.
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c872f2 No.26018
>>26012
I would recommend against linking wikipedia pages with topics like this.
>>26016
>>26014
I don't think you know what Salafism is, they claim to be "on the manhaj of the Salaf" which goes back way beyond anything like Ibadi.
>but they're focused exclusively on Sunni Islam.
Akhi please educate yourself on Shi'a "Islam" before making comments like that, if you knew anything about Salafis you wouldn't say things like that.
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7963a2 No.26021
>>26018
Well, then educate us. What I know of the Salafi is that they claim to be the only true Islam even though they're a relatively small and new movement. It's a movement that says to other Muslims "You're corrupt and wrong and if you're not Salafi, you're kafir." Not exactly a good selling point.
That's what I know from what I have observed. If I am wrong, correct me.
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183dac No.26022
Kitab At-Tauhid Author: ibn Abd Al-Wahhab | Pages: 130
the book which started it all, here is the best place to start
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183dac No.26023
>>26022
plus here is a salafi website with most of the basic introductory works
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183dac No.26024
>>26022
>>26023
from a western prescriptive we Wilfrid Scawen Blunt and adviser to Churchill and isamaboo. this is from is book the future of islam which u should check out.
Of the Wahhabites a more detailed account is needed, as although their numbers are small and their political importance less than it formerly was, the spirit of their reform movement still lives and exercises a potent influence on modern Mohammedan ideas. I have described elsewhere[9] the historical vicissitudes of the sect in Arabia, and the decline of its fortunes in Nejd, but a brief recapitulation of these may be allowed me.
The early half of the last century was a period of religious stagnation in Islam, almost as much as it was in Christendom. Faith, morals, and religious practice were at the lowest ebb among Mussulmans, and it seemed to Europeans who looked on as though the faith of Mecca had attained its dotage, and was giving place to a non-curantist infidelity. Politically and religiously the Mussulman world was asleep, when suddenly it awoke, and like a young giant refreshed stood once [Pg 43]more erect in Arabia. The reform preached by Abd el Wahhab was radical. He began by breaking with the maxim held by the mass of the orthodox that inquiry on matters of faith was closed. He constituted himself a new mujtahed and founded a new school, neither Hanafite, Malekite, nor Shafite, and called it the school of the Unitarians, Muwaheddin, a name still cherished by the Wahhabites. He rejected positively all traditions but those of the companions of the Prophet, and he denied the claims of any but the first four Caliphs to have been legitimately elected. The Quran was to be the only written law, and Islam was to be again what it had been in the first decade of its existence. He established it politically in Nejd on precisely its old basis at Medina, and sought to extend it over the whole of Arabia, perhaps of the world. I believe it is hardly now recognised by Mohammedans how near Abd el Wahhab was to complete success.
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183dac No.26025
>>26024
efore the close of the eighteenth century the chiefs of the Ibn Saouds, champions of Unitarian Islam, had established their authority over all Northern Arabia as far as the Euphrates, and in 1808 they took Mecca and Medina. In the meanwhile the Wahhabite doctrines were gaining ground [Pg 44]still further afield. India was at one time very near conversion, and in Egypt, and North Africa, and even in Turkey many secretly subscribed to the new doctrines. Two things, however, marred the plan of general reform and prevented its full accomplishment.
In the first place the reform was too completely reactive. It took no account whatever of the progress of modern thought, and directly it attempted to leave Arabia it found itself face to face with difficulties which only political as well as religious success could overcome. It was impossible, except by force of arms, to Arabianise the world again, and nothing less than this was in contemplation. Its second mistake, and that was one that a little of the Prophet's prudence which always went hand in hand with his zeal might have avoided, was a too rigid insistance upon trifles. Abd el Wahhab condemned minarets and tombstones because neither were in use during the first years of Islam. The minarets therefore were everywhere thrown down, and when the holy places of Hejaz fell into the hands of his followers the tombs of saints which had for centuries been revered as objects of pilgrimage were levelled to the ground. Even the Prophet's tomb at Medina [Pg 45]was laid waste and the treasures it contained distributed among the soldiers of Ibn Saoud. This roused the indignation of all Islam, and turned the tide of the Wahhabite fortunes. Respectable feeling which had hitherto been on their side now declared itself against them, and they never after regained their position as moral and social reformers.
Politically, too, it was the cause of their ruin. The outside Mussulman world, looking upon them as sacrilegious barbarians, was afraid to visit Mecca, and the pilgrimage declined so rapidly that the Hejazi became alarmed. The source of their revenue they found cut off, and it seemed on the point of ceasing altogether. Then they appealed to Constantinople, urging the Sultan to vindicate his claim to be protector of the holy places. What followed is well known. After the peace of Paris Sultan Mahmud commissioned Mehemet Ali to deliver Mecca and Medina from the Wahhabite heretics, and this he in time effected. The war was carried into Nejd; Deriyeh, their capital, was sacked, and Ibn Saoud himself taken prisoner and decapitated in front of St. Sophia's at Constantinople. The movement of reform in Islam was thus put back for, perhaps, another hundred years.
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183dac No.26026
>>26025
Still the seed cast by Abd el Wahhab has not been entirely without fruit. Wahhabism, as a political regeneration of the world, has failed, but the spirit of reform has remained. Indeed, the present unquiet attitude of expectation in Islam has been its indirect result. Just as the Lutheran reformation in Europe, though it failed to convert the Christian Church, caused its real reform, so Wahhabism has produced a real desire for reform if not yet reform itself in Mussulmans. Islam is no longer asleep, and were another and a wiser Abd el Wahhab to appear, not as a heretic, but in the body of the Orthodox sect, he might play the part of Loyola or Borromeo with success.
The present condition of the Wahhabites as a sect is one of decline. In India, and I believe in other parts of Southern Asia, their missionaries still make converts and their preachers are held in high esteem. But at home in Arabia their zeal has waxed cold, giving place to liberal ideas which in truth are far more congenial to the Arabian mind. The Ibn Saoud dynasty no longer holds the first position in Nejd, and Ibn Rashid who has taken their place, though nominally a Wahhabite, has little of the Wahhabite fanaticism. He is in fact a popular and national rather than a religious [Pg 47]leader, and though still designated at Constantinople as a pestilent heretic, is counted as their ally by the more liberal Sunites. It is probable that he would not withhold his allegiance from a Caliph of the legitimate house of Koreysh. But this, too, is beyond the subject of the present chapter.
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fd8a21 No.26031
>>26025
>>26026
file deleted i thought this was a sufi board. wtf
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7963a2 No.26033
>>26031
>file deleted
Immodest images of women have never been allowed on this board. Ever.
>i thought this was a sufi board
First, what? Where did you get that idea? Second, "Sufi" doesn't mean what you think it means. Sufism is an aspect of Islam that pervades all schools of Islam. A Muslim can even be a Salafi who studies Sufi scholars, but "Sufi" is not a branch/sect of Islam.
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86ff0e No.26038
>>26022
>>26023
Thanks for the book but I can't see the link to the website.
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c872f2 No.26041
>>26021
>Well, then educate us.
I didn't mean to come off as condescending akhi my apologies.
>What I know of the Salafi is that they claim to be the only true Islam even though they're a relatively small and new movement
>"You're corrupt and wrong and if you're not Salafi, you're kafir.
Yes people calling themselves Salafi is very reactionary in nature but i believe most of them use that term to emphasize the difference like Ahlul Sunnah does when they have to differentiate themselves from the Rawafidh, this does not mean that they don't consider themselves "just" Muslims though.
Very big misconception, the Salafis don't make takfir of anyone who doesn't think like them i've never heard any one of their "big figures" say that in all the years i've listened to them.
They are relatively harsh on dissenting opinions though that's true but it depends on what "branch" of Salafism you're looking.
There's the bottom of the barrel absolute human garbage "Salafis" like the madkhalis for example who put people "off the manhaj" for a yes or a no.
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7963a2 No.26042
>>26041
That actually makes a lot of sense and I probably shouldn't be lumping all Salafiyyah into the same category. My apologies.
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59c7fd No.26044
>>26033
>>26033
lol u guys have a strange definition of decency.
spoiler ( i wann see if this violates ur definition to) spoiler
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59c7fd No.26045
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7963a2 No.26046
>>26044
Our definition of modesty comes from Qur'an. It's only "strange" to non-Muslims. This is a Muslim board for Muslims. Non-Muslims are welcome, but are expected to follow the rules.
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59c7fd No.26048
>>26046
i understand i am muslim born in the west but raised in a muslim contry and i have never seen any one who thinks an anime chacther in a dress which shows no skin is immodest
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59c7fd No.26049
>>26048
likewise all the quran says is that the believing women should cover themselves, indirect contrast to kafirs. unbelieving woman or a drawing of a non believer should not be forced to uphold stranded meant only for Muslims.
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7963a2 No.26050
>>26048
>>26049
A drawing of pornography is still pornography. Your personal anecdotes don't matter. It's the rules of the board.
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59c7fd No.26051
>>26050
i am simply debating the rules brother. and in no way were anything i posted pornography i am not that stupid. the personal accolade was to prove my second point namly that the rule of hijab only applies to muslim women and representation of muslim women( even then i would assume only real ones ie historical figures)
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7963a2 No.26053
>>26051
The hijab applies to all women who enter the mosque, whether they are believers or not.
>>11001
>This board is the 8chan Masjid and should be treated as such.
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59c7fd No.26054
>>26053
what in world what sort of bidah level do you have to be on to declare something non psychical as a masjid. they are clear rules on making a pice of ground a masjid and none can apply to an message bored you might as well complete ummrah by going around a panorama of the kabba. and secondly there is no such rule in my malhab and each man is tried according to the precepts of his malhab.
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7963a2 No.26055
>>26054
Either you follow the rules or you don't. If you don't, you won't be around long. It's your choice.
Also, no pics of the prophets, including Jesus.
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0a8f63 No.26057
>>26048
Having one board without anime girls won't kill anyone.
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bda209 No.26075
>>26055
>no art depicting human prophets
Why is this a custom? I know it is, I just never understood why hide their humanity
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7963a2 No.26076
>>26075
It prevents people from using their images as icons and falling into worship of them. It is the Muslim way that says the Message is more important than the Messenger.
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bda209 No.26077
>>26076
to me it seems to do the opposite, by elevating them above normal people and mystifying them.
I have pictures of men I admire, I don't go worship them
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41fa90 No.26079
>>26077
While Qur'an doesn't specifically prohibit depictions of the Prophets, Muhammad(pbuh) himself said not to make any depictions of him. We, of course, honor Muhammad's request. As for the other Prophets, some branches of Islam are indifferent while others say absolutely not.
The policy of the board is to not allow any depictions of the Prophets. This is a Muslim board for all Muslims, regardless of affiliation. Someone who doesn't see a problem with a depiction of Jesus(pbuh) likewise won't be offended if such images are removed, whereas leaving the image up could potentially offend someone else. Personally, I have no problem with images depicting the Prophets other than Muhammad; but I'm not the only Muslim here.
My thought process is the same as in >>11001 where the board is to be treated like a mosque. If someone put a picture of Jesus up in the mosque, those who would be offended could simply avert their gaze (the IRL hitting of the [-] button) or the picture could simply be removed from the mosque. It is better to remove the picture.
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a40bc7 No.26081
>>26079
hmm that makes sense, thanks for the response
wish your mods/vols were this useful and less itching to ban people or delete posts they find suspicious
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c27311 No.26082
>>26081
In the last 3 weeks only 2 bans have been handed out, both for spam. It has been 5 days since a post has been deleted.
I don't think that constitutes "itching to ban".
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a40bc7 No.26083
>>26082
I'm a bit outdated, haven't been here for a few months
Previously my experiences were terrible with overly sensitive mods/vols
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46b140 No.36829
>>36802
You are widely known for making up fake hadiths.
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720e6b No.36854
>>36802
>these types of muslim are bad trust me goy
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ae4562 No.37031
salafism doesn't seem like a friendly sect
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f55420 No.37035
>>37031
Modern salafi are extremely friendly … until you join them. Then they chop off a body part if you accidentally mispronounce something during prayer. True salafi are merely orthodox sunni and, while they will correct you in your error, your life isn't in danger with them.
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c37967 No.37036
>>37031
Go to a salafi mosque and see for yourself.
>>37035
Sorry you had that experience.
I have been to quite a few salafi masajid and they never asked me to join anything. Now I live in a remote area but I used to live smack dab in middle of an Arab masjid, a Bangladeshi masjid, and an African American Salafi masjid. Never had any problems at any of the masjids for years and would sometimes hit up all three in a day. But if I was looking for problems I’m sure I could have found them, Allah knows I’m good at that.
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720e6b No.37043
>>37031
It's not a sect but a methodology, and it depends which ones, some of the saud funded ones are odd sure. Most are good people. Just look at how many they converted in britain.
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f55420 No.37081
>>37036
>Sorry you had that experience.
It's not my experience. Look at any self-proclaimed Salafi on this board. They cry and kvetch and spew insults and reeee like /pol/acks every time someone even mentions that they follow Maliki or Bektashi or - even worse - some form of Shi'a. They literally want all non-Salafi wiped off this board and will go to great lengths to try to make that happen.
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ea729c No.37082
>>37081
This is 8chan. Imagine judging irl catholics by the freaks at /christian/. Chill out bro.
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f55420 No.37083
>>37082
>8chan only
ISIS and Al Qaeda are Salafi. Just let that sink in.
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ea729c No.37086
>>37083
This is literally the /pol/ argument against Islam except using one sect as a scapegoat. Again same thing as blaming catholic sect for IRA and Mexican narco cartels.
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720e6b No.37091
>>37081
>Bektashi
t.alevi arthropod
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f55420 No.37096
>>37091
You are literally proving how retarded and childish Salafi are. Good job.
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720e6b No.37097
>>37096
You literally tried to tie bektashi alevi kuffar with maliki sunnis, which agree with salafis on 90% of fiqh lol nice try D&C shill
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ea729c No.37101
>>37096
What are your actual arguments against salafi fiqh or aqidah? I think salafi is just a name you’re using for “mean.” In that case I wouldnt call others childish.
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f55420 No.37103
>>37097
>tried to tie bektashi alevi kuffar with maliki sunnis
Nice illiteracy. Do you know what "OR" means? Also, your precious lovers in ISIS murder Maliki every day, so I suggest you follow your masters and declare all non-Salafi as apostates. Your /pol/-tier LARPing is equally laughable and sickening.
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5be816 No.37104
>>37103
>ISIS murder Maliki every day
So do the french military but after 200 years of them killing malikis that just seems normal so no one even notices. More fun to tongue wag about isis. If isis commits a crime it is world news, if France does it is just a fait accompli.
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b6bf22 No.37105
>>37086
>Mexican narco cartels are the ISIS of the West
what?
????
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720e6b No.37121
>>37103
>ISIS murder Maliki every day
no lol, im maliki myself, this is just ridiculous, they only kill rafidites, pro tip malikites are a sunni fiqh school not rafidi and certainly not kaffir murtad alevite
>>37105
Right, narcos are worst as they do it for drugs.
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da11e0 No.37126
>>37121
>Right, narcos are worst as they do it for drugs.
Right, they don't do it in the name of God using a religious metric, so your analogy doesn't work.
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da11e0 No.37127
>>37126
Or 'his' analogy doesn't work, forgot IDs.
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bea4bd No.37128
>>37126
>they're not exactly the same so the analogy doesn't work
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da11e0 No.37129
>>37128
They're not the same in the way that matters, since anon wanted to pass off the cartels as Catholic equivalents of ISIS.
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720e6b No.37134
>>37129
I'm not gonna take anyone who switches IPs as anything other than a shill.
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12c696 No.37136
>>37134
You don't know who switches IPs and who doesn't. Only the BO can see complete post history and an IP switcher generally shows as a board-wide (1).
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720e6b No.37138
>>37136
I can see your ID genius.
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a3c7ce No.37140
>>37138
Yes, obviously, but is this ID the result of an IP switch or am I just a new person in the thread? You have know way of knowing unless I explicitly state it.
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720e6b No.37150
>>37140
>1 post by this ID
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db1c3a No.37154
>>37150
But is it a new IP or a new person in the thread? You don't know.
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e25fb5 No.37158
>>37150
>1 post by this ID
>in THIS thread
How do you know that same person hasn't posted dozens of posts in other threads over a span of years? PROTIP: You don't.
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1829a6 No.37160
>>37150
What if someone has different IDs because he posts from a home computer, then posts from his phone from somewhere else? What if everyone who disagrees with you isn’t a shill?
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b6bf22 No.37164
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720e6b No.37165
>>37160
Then it would be 2 or 3 max, not every single post with a new ID. He glows so much.
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4ed381 No.37168
>>37165
I am literally the only person on this board who can see post histories. Sometimes people come into a thread and have only one thing to say and they move on. You are one of the only posters on this board who autisticly argues forever and ever, believing that "he who gets the last word is right". I know this because I can see every post you've ever made. Most people on this board disagree with pretty much everything you have to say, they just don't sit around arguing with you all day because they have more important things to do.
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720e6b No.37174
>>37168
>implying there's enough users
I used to see logs as well and noticed same posters replying to a convo but with different IDs. Take for example this thread, you thiink there's 9 random users who happen to agree 100% with the first ID who replied to me, quickly replying to our convo knowing the context, or is it just the same guy switching IP? Which is more likely in this slow board.
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681c79 No.37186
>>37174
I'd advice against arguing with board owners in here, it won't get you anywhere. I once saw a board owner equate rafidism with madhabs. Ironically enough, the same person was heavily against qadinis.
Anyways,
>>26011
See
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1087/ruling-on-saying-i-am-a-salafi
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/10714/it-is-not-correct-to-differentiate-between-the-salafis-and-ahl-al-sunnah
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/12203/advice-to-those-who-do-not-recognize-the-salafi-scholars-and-call-them-wahhaabis
And yeah, start with the book and the link the other brother provided. It's always better to look at the sources themselves instead of borrowing opinions about them like many people do nowadays.
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720e6b No.37209
>>37186
It's the same board owner, he is a deviant ibadhi who thinks it's being neutral between between ahlul sunnah and rawafidh, he just followed this misled sect because his friend is ibadhi. To add, he recently came out as a socialist. That would explain why he supports transgenders. Absolute state of this board.
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ff8405 No.37216
>>37209
>Absolute state of this board.
And, yet, you refuse to leave. All you do is sit around crying about how nobody here is Muslim except you. Go make your own board.
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4ed381 No.37217
>>37209
Of course it's the same Board Owner. I created this board. I've always been the Board Owner and probably always will be. If you don't like the way this board is run, then you can make your own board. You were given /muslim/, why don't you use it?
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720e6b No.37221
>>37216
>if you have different opinions leave
>>37217
Yup, just stating the facts. I think you should clarify your aqeedah and ideologies first before misleading muslims.
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4ed381 No.37229
>>37221
>he wants every post to have a disclaimer
Here's yours: I'm a whiny /pol/ack LARPing as Salafi and if you show even the slightest inclination of disagreeing with me, I will say you're not Muslim.
You better put that on every post you make from now on.
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bea4bd No.37231
>>37165
It's the unmistakable stench of a mushrik instigator.
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0725d0 No.37233
>>37231
Don't be careless with who you call a mushrik/kafir/etc. It says more about you than your target.
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720e6b No.37245
>>37233
I'm not larping and I never takfired anyone here.
>>37231
for sure FBI instigators post here BO even talks with alphabet soup
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4ed381 No.37246
>>37245
>BO even talks with alphabet soup
I was visited by the FBI once in 2015 because someone called them on me. But, hey, keep spreading lies. Surely it will drag people over to one of your dead boards.
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720e6b No.37250
>>37246
Sorry for assuming, but you shouldn't either.
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3c8bc9 No.40752
>>26016
it's not about being old is better, but it's about being pure as in the original Islam preached by Muhammad PBUH practiced by Sahabah
>but they're focused exclusively on Sunni Islam
no, they don't
Sunni is pure that's why it looks similar to Salafi
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c48354 No.41820
I have spent time with the Salafists as a guest.
They mean well, but their misunderstanding takes a violent form.
The wrong is not in the violence; but in the misunderstanding.
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453916 No.41828
>>37246
A bunch of my relatives got questioned by FBI in early 2017 (I was in Mexico at the time so they couldn't reach me directly), also I remember one of our other board volunteers got questioned by FBI about alleged connections to ISIS at around the same time. I guess FBI got eyes on all of us….
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5899a8 No.41829
>>41828
I doubt the FBI is interested in people just for posting on this board. This whole website is ran by them now anyway.
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