/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

first. I know arabic and will gladly help out other anons below.

>>23829

Your help will be greatly appreciated. Hopefully this thread will attract some good resources.

Dictionaries:

Main Arabic-English dictionary would be Edward Lane's, which can be found here http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/

http://www.almaany.com/ is a good complement. There's both an Arabic version and an English one.

For modern contexts and quick searches then http://context.reverso.net/translation/arabic-english

is pretty good as well.

Amazing arabic keyboard typer + transliteraion to freely type in english. example:

7 = ح

3 = ع

3 + ' = غ

http://www.arabic-keyboard.org/

I know that there are several registers of the Arabic language. So apart from learning Modern Standard, is it true that the dialect from Cairo is the most understood among Arabic speakers?

http://seekershub.org/home/courses/ALAE101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYqc4-JqK24&list=PLKWTi0Nw6K0PMSuR7vJ0ilKwS3yWQn6Va&index=1

>>25233

He says you need to learn to read Arabic first… which makes sense.

Any valid resources to do that?

>>25241

"Alif Baa: an introduction to arabic letters" is popularly used in university courses.

I wish there was an English equivalent of this Spanish course

I need to know the meaning of this sentence. Especially what the word "oubi" means.

Does it have to do with molten iron.

https://quran.com/34/10-11

>>26063

Corpus.quran.com has a word for word translation short grammatical notes. awwibi is the imperative of the verb أوّب awwaba translated as echoing praises.

>>26071

Regarding that question…

My friend is doing tafsir by his own method. It is really different than common Islamic practiced way, He goes deep into EACH word, relate it to "hidden" meaning, reconcile it with current tech and try to make sense what the surah/sentence is telling about. Pretty much like the thumbprint knowledge stuff (quran mention it first then proven to be right and its usable now). By the way, the audience is small. Since we both are not Arabic speaker, we will need you guys help.

About the tafsir….

When coming to this surah it goes to something like this (as far as I remember the discussion with him), please bear with us, this might shock you :)

Here is what we gone so far….

Daud own superior tech, he manage to extract/melt iron from the mountain by using modern tech method, and used (birds?) to transport the iron for further processing - make iron shirt etc.

Thats why the meaning of word awwibi is important right now (for him), (echoing/repeating) ←- he love this translation, it fits with his finding.

My friend is implying Daud using a electromagnetic induction tech to melt the iron, without using fire or common method, and Daud possess this advance knowledge. He showed me a YT vid where this is possible, I must say, I'm dumbfounded with his finding.

Branching to other surah, even I found my conclusion sounds …weird.

For example: Sulaiman Jins present to him flying saucer, create golem and etc and Sulaiman pray to god these golem thingy wont occur again etc etc… (forgot the surah)

He might be wrong but I do find the surah/story much more acceptable than current available tafsir. I'm not religious myself but his tafsir is much down to earth possibility and might present things/event which we all might overlook.

But…

Before bashing us for doing this, consider…how we can move forward if we dont research quran ? Who knows what treasure it contain inside there if we cant research it ? Why should we limit ourselves to popular/acceptable view only ? We are not fighting the way, we just want to look it from other perspective.

You guidance are appreciated, if we are wrong, we still in the teaching, if we are right, sadly, our audience is small.

We may post or just gone away in future, but thanks for any future help.

Salam

>>26097

It's good that you have an interest in the Quran but I'm not sure if that is tafsir. It's like if someone were to study madain saleh from an architectural point of view. It's not really tafsir even if you're doing it to learn more about Thamud. I think we should try to focus on the overall message and not the details that were left out(not saying that that's necessarily what you are doing, but just keep it in mind), as we read about in sura al kahf ayat 22

>They will say there were three, the fourth of them being their dog; and they will say there were five, the sixth of them being their dog - guessing at the unseen; and they will say there were seven, and the eighth of them was their dog. Say, [O Muhammad], "My Lord is most knowing of their number. None knows them except a few. So do not argue about them except with an obvious argument and do not inquire about them among [the speculators] from anyone."

>>26097

That's not tafsir.

… are you FringeWizard? :^)

>>26115

>>26107

Okay, not tafsir then :0

But some time in future, we might ask a few question regarding "other interpretation" of certain words that we stuck. Thanks for being here, I just bumping the thread to see if anyone around :)

Thanks and salam.

>>26115

>>26119

The thread is a sticky, no need to bump it. Also, this is a thread about learning the Arabic language.

>>25971

thanks

Im enrolling in arabic courses next semester. pretty excited. its a small program but Im sure the instructor will be good.

>>26626

Get a roku, order the sling arabic channel pack ($25 a month, no contract) I get the MyMaghreb channel too cuz my wife is maghrebi ($12 a month)

Watch only Arabic tv starting now.

a real question.

since coptic greek, and latin is dead and i really dont want to learn hebrewyuck but i might have to, african christians i have met lately seem to have a better grasp of Christianity even if they are not die hard like most americans pretend to be e.g. south sudanese. even arabic speaking Christians seem to know something i don't and i am disturbed by it.

>>27093

What's the question?

I am an Arab studying Arabic linguistics so if anyone has any question about grammar/verb conjugations and the binae (word templates) please feel free to ask. I'll post some templates about verbs soon. I believe that the best way to learn a semitic language like Arabic is to lower memory load by understanding Arabic word templates and using them as a starting hypothesis until you learn the irregular forms slowly.

>>27378

Thanks. Looking forward to your templates

Third: the gapped الأجوف

The gapped verb is named so because the mid-consonant is a problematic sound (remember, these are the sounds (y), (w) and the glottal stop (ʔ) الهمزة ء)

Fourth: the "decreased" الناقص

This verb has a problematic consonant as its last one.

Fifth: اللفيف (I don't know how to translate this one)

This verb type is very bothersome because it contains TWO problematic sounds, either at the edges like وقي or near each other like طوي

These are mostly the verb types of Arabic (there are quadra-consonantal verbs like DaHRaJa (he rolled) and penta-consonantal verbs). For the time being, I sadly suck at explaining all the details of them (mainly because I still havent studied them fully to give a comprehensive explanation). However, my aim is to systematically show that Arabic verbs contain a pattern that, if noticed, will hopefully reduce the memory load the learner uses (by studying said pattern and the "templates" of these verbs). In the next post, I'll try to post more info as best as I can.

Another important difference between non-problematic verbs (like the "safe" type) and those of problematic sound, is the following past > present verb change. Consider for example:

KaTaBa (he wrote) > YaKTuBu (He writes/is writing)

WaʕaDa (he promised) > YaʕiDu (He promises/is promising)

In order to derive a present tense verb from a past tense verb, regurally, you would add the prefix ya- (it denotes the 3rd Person, Singular Masculine notion, i.e. "he" part) to the verb. This is easy for the "safe" verbs like KaTaBa, but in problematic verbs like WaʕaDa, some morphophonological alternations happen (alternations to form and sound). Because WaʕaDa is a verb that has a problematic sound /w/ as its first consonant, the consonant will get deleted when it converts into the present form, thus is WaʕaDa > YaʕiDu (as for the alternation between the internal vowels, it is much more complicated. I will try to explain them later InshAallah.)

In the next post, I'll try to explain the Phi-features of Arabic.

>>27672

Here is the transliteration of Arabic agreement morphemes in the verb KaTaBa:

SG, M/F, 1ST: -tu = KaTaB-tu (I wrote)

SG, M, 2ND: -ta = KaTaB-ta (You (M) wrote)

SG, F, 2ND: -ti = KaTaB-ti (You (F) wrote)

SG, M, 3RD: -a = KaTaB-a (He wrote)

SG, F, 3RD: -at = KaTaB-at (She wrote)

DU, M/F, 2ND: -tuma = KaTaB-tuma (You (two) wrote)

DU, M, 3RD: -aa = KaTaB-aa (They (two males) wrote)

DU, F, 3RD: -ataa = KaTaB-ataa (They (two females) wrote)

PL, M/F, 1ST: -naa = KaTaB-naa (we wrote)

PL, M, 2ND: -tum = KaTaB-tum (you (males) wrote)

PL, F, 2ND: -tun = KaTaB-tun (you (females) wrote)

PL, M, 3RD: -uu = KaTaB-uu (they (men) wrote)

PL, F, 3RD: -na = KaTaB-na (they (women) wrote

Notice that there is no form for every Φ-feature, such as there is no DU-MASC-1ST, or how the first person is used regardless of the gender of the speaker (unlike Russian where females must use their own first person gender morpheme). Bear in mind that these are the forms used with the past tense, in the present tense, additional morphemes are added (prefixes in the present and only suffixes in the past, ignoring the vowels at the middle of the roots (they denote Voice "Active, Passive", etc))

And with that, I conclude my fuzzy explanation of Arabic verbs. There is a lot to talk about (Voice, Moods such as Indicative, Jussive, Subjunctive, Imperative, Negation), but I'll need to sharp my knowledge more. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. May Allah guide you through learning Arabic.

>>27675

Thanks for your contributions. I agree with you in that it's the best way of learning. That's why I appreciated the book ”Arabic simplified” so much, it went through the morphology systematically instead of having ”theme based” chapters like a lot of modern text books.

Perhaps we may share reading suggestions to help build vocabulary. Ideally something that has an English translation available so you can check your understanding. I found the following book pretty good:

الرسالة الكاملية في السيرة النبوية

translated under the title "theologus autodidactus".

Then there's also hadiths of course, since the entire bukhari and muslim and more is available in English online free.

كليلة ودمنة is a well known Arabic book of fables

أخبار الحمقى والمغفلين A book of stories about dumb people. No English translation afaik though. The stories are quite funny. The difficulty varies though, some are easy whereas others I found quite difficult.

http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ has many books translated into English including The Ring of The Dove

On the following forum people have uploaded school books used in Kuwait. I think there's pretty much everything there from grade 1 to last year of high school:

http://www.ykuwait.net/vb/showthread.php?t=41972

>>27675

Much appreciated akhi, jazak Allah khayr.

So I managed to snag myself a spot in the arabic class for next semester at my university! My class advisor helped me free up some timeslots so I can still take the required classes for my degree alongside this.

Urdu speakers look up Aamir Sohail for comprehensive Arabic lectures.

Would it be considered insulting/improper to go visit a local mosque and ask for basic lessons on Arabic grammar/memorizing the glyphs?

>>29313

Most of the larger mosques have Arabic classes that you can sign up to take. They're generally free. The smaller mosques have something set up with local community colleges, but those often cost the college's tuition fee.

Otherwise, any of the Arabic speaking brothers will be happy to help you out in an informal setting.

this thread is interesting, i'm an arabic native speaker and will gladly help any anons by any means possible.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tengulogi.tengugo.ar_script&hl=en

Can anyone vouch for the Arabic course on Memrise?

>>30201

Which?

>>30202

The one created by Memrise itself, split into 7 courses.

>>30205

It seems to be mostly centered around learning vocabulary, which isn't too helpful by itself. It would probably be better to study a textbook and then maybe use memrise on the side.

i downloaded everything in this thread.

how long will it take to learn?

>>30290

How long it takes depends entirely on you. If you devote 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, it will be a lot faster than if you only give it an hour a week.

Native Arabic speaker and language-lover here. Here's a nice way to learn a language, or at least practice:

>write in English

>try translating it to Arabic

>slowly you'll get words into your head

>speak with native speakers

That's how I learned German.

Also, if any of you need anything relating to Arabic, don't hesitate to ask. Even though it's my native language, I'm still not fully proficient so I need all of your help too. Shukran.

http://al3arabiya.org

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfqR7v0tdEjIe-ScJPmw6Z4JR1Lj33hDl

>>32833

Very much related are the works of Saad D Abulhab, some of which can be found here: https://cuny.academia.edu/SaadAbulhab

He's got an explanation of a poem written in Classical Arabic from 88-125 CE https://www.academia.edu/3114456/The_Earliest_Classical_Arabic_Poem_Recorded_in_Writing

and also shows that the epic of gilgamesh was written in an early Arabic language: https://www.academia.edu/3113497/Inscriptional_Evidence_of_Pre-Islamic_Classical_Arabic_Selected_Readings_in_the_Nabataean_Musnad_and_Akkadian_Inscriptions

>>32857

Why are you posting pre-Islamic jahily texts?

>>32897

Is that supposed to be a joke?

>>32901

>Inscriptional Evidence of Pre-Islamic Classical Arabic

No.

>>32908

Stop trolling dude.

>>32911

Can you explain why you think I'm trolling? I think it should be deleted since it is not related to islam. Explain your reasons for posting this pre-islamic material.

>>32915

It's a thread about the Arabic language so any Arabic poetry or literature is relevant. If you want a thread specifically about Islamic poetry then start another thread. I say you're trolling because otherwise you'd be incredibly ignorant if you didn't even know that all Muslim scholars study and memorize pre-Islamic poetry as part of their education.

>>32918

>>32918

There is a difference between learning arabic for islamic means and pre islamic jahili mushirk arabic.

Arabic is a language spoken by millions of people, not all of whom are Muslim. It is a language in the real world and is not a sacred language. This thread is for learning Arabic without specificity towards the language of Qur'an. Pre-Islamic Arabic is acceptable. After all, the Prophet(pbuh) spoke Arabic for 40 years before Qur'an was revealed to him. If it helps people learn Arabic, it should be acceptable to this thread.

>Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: The truest word spoken by an Arab (pre-Islamic) in poetry is this verse of Labid: "Behold! apart from Allah everything is vain."

http://sunnah.com/muslim/41/3

(in Arabic أَلاَ كُلُّ شَىْءٍ مَا خَلاَ اللَّهَ بَاطِلٌ)

The poet was Labid ibn Rabiah, the author of one of the poems that were hung on the Ka'bah.

Ibnul-Jawzi's book about stories of foolish people is a goldmine imo. I'll share and try to translate some of my favorites, perhaps someone will enjoy it:

ومات جار له، فأرسل إلى الحفار ليحفر له، فجرى بينهما لجاج في أجرة الحفر، فمضى جحا إلى السوق واشترى خشبة بدرهمين وجاء بها، فسئل عنها فقال: إن الحفار لا يحفر بأقل من خمسة دراهم، وقد اشترينا هذه الخشبة بدرهمين لنصلبه عليها ونربح ثلاثة دراهم ويستريح من ضغطة القبر ومسألة منكر ونكير.

One day one of Juha's(a notorious fool around which many stories have been narrated) neighbors died, so he want to arrange for a grave to be dug, but when he met the gravedigger they got into a dispute about the fee, so Juha left and went to the market and bought a piece of wood instead. When Juha was asked about the funeral of the neighbor he explained: "the gravedigger demands at least five dirhams, so we bought this piece of wood to have him crucified on instead thereby saving us three dirhams and sparing him from the confines of the grave and the inquiries of Munkar and Nakir.

كان عبد الله بن أبي ثور والي المدينة فخطبهم، فقال: أيها الناس اتقوا الله وارجوا التوبة، فإنه أهلك قوم صالح في ناقة قيمتها خمسمائة درهم. فسموه مقوم الناقة وعزله الزبير.

A governor addressed his people one day in a sermon saying: "O people! fear Allah and pray for tawbah, for verily He destroyed the people of Salih over a camel worth only 500 dirham!". So the people started calling him the appraiser of Salih's camel…

كذلك قال بعض الأدباء: قال: سئل خطيب أي أفضل معاوية أم عيسى بن مريم؟ فقال: لا إله إلا الله أتقيس كاتب الوحي بنبي النصارى …

Someone once asked a preacher: Who is more virtuous, Mua'wiyya, or Jesus son of Mary? The preacher exclaimed: ”La ilaaha illa-Allah!!! Are you comparing the scribe of revelation with the prophet of christians?!!"

>خرج قوم من قريش إلى أرضهم وخرج معهم رجل من بني غفار، فأصابهم ريح عاصف يئسوا معها من الحياة ثم سلموا، فأعتق كل رجل منهم مملوكاً، فقال ذلك الأعرابي: اللهم لا مملوك لي أعتقه ولكن امرأتي طالق لوجهك ثلاثاً.

A group of men were out in the desert one day when suddenly they were caught in a sandstorm so severe that they feared for their lives, but they survived and were so thankful that each of them freed a slave, except one man who said " O Allah, I don't own any slaves to free, but I shall now trebly divorce my wife for your sake!".

>>32952

Brother, bear in mind that there are sources that claim that Juha was actually a revered companion and that we should not be making fun of him. For whatever reason, he was framed as the joke man, but we should be careful not to smear him.

>>32953

>bear in mind that there are sources that claim that Juha was actually a revered companion

no

>>32930

>>32940

As for mushrik languages then Arabic certainly wouldn't have ever been one of them anyway since it was spoken by the Prophets like Huud, Shu'ayb and of course, the teacher of Moses, the Qahtanite Arab al-Ma'mar ibn Maalik ibn 'Abdillah ibn Nasr ibn al-Azd. Arabs were historically Monotheists, Hunaafaa, and it wasn't really until the efforts of 'Amr ibn Luhayy that idolatry even became relevant in Jaziratil-'Arab.

>>32957

You are right, I apologize for my earlier comments.

>>32958

No problem, and I apologize for being unnecessarily rude.

>>32958

>I apologize

>>32959

>and I apologize

This right here is why I love this board and its community. Alhamdulillah!

>>32977

مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ

Mexican here. Interested in learning Arabic. However, I've also learned that there is a formal register called fusha, and the dialect spoken locally. I assume these books (are meant to learn formal Arabic). Will learning Standard Arabic help me to learn the dialects (especially Emirati and Lebanese)? I ponder the idea of emigrating to an Arabic country like Egypt or Tunisia. I'm a translator, by the way.

>>34284

Almost everyone will understand standard arabic, emiratis speak similar to fusha/standard so you will be able to understand them. Tunisians speak with their own dialect, same for lebanese. Egyptian arabic is probably the easiest and most popular one to understand. It's similar to fusha as well and a lot of egyptians understand fusha.

>>34286

Tunisian is far more intelligible than the other maghreb countries,the main issue is French and Italian vocabulary corruption. Much easier to deal with than morocco and Algerians

>>34386

True true…

>>34386

Thanks for your reply. I like your language. and yes, I've noticed such pervading influence from French, Spanish and Italian languages. in the Maghrebi dialects. God willing I'll be able to speak Arabic fluently within two years.

What are some interesting Arabic books suitable for a beginner? Preferably with diacritics

>>35424

Thanks but I already have books for learning Arabic. I meant what are some interesting books as in novels, stories etc that are suitable for beginners.

>>35433

maybe the One Thousand And One Nights if you are into old tales.

>>23797

how i learn Arabic?

>>35896

There are some tips in this thread.

>>35896

Get an Arab wife.

>>36148

I gotta be honest. That's some of the most perfect and hilarious advice I've seen yet for how to learn Arabic.

>>36152

nothing better than a pious wife bro. all sounds good in fun to me

Are the Assimil books any good for learning Arabic?

>Learn how to read and pronounce the Arabic Language, and learn the application of it in the Qur'an!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAvDhAel8Gx6NXIRPs0tKmH-0mIDIbAgv

Duolingo Arabic came out a few days ago. Basically useless, but for those with very little exposure to Arabic, it might be helpful.

>duolingo arabic

https://www.duolingo.com/course/ar/en/Learn-Arabic

>arabic learning book library

https://mega.nz/#F!tPBSSIpA!i5rXEOg08E8IekocKpGQUw

>Madinah Arabic

https://www.madinaharabic.com/

i think its best website to learn Arabic. It has detailed 100~ lessons and its totally free.

>>40391

As an arab muslim, it drew a big smile on my face reading what you've typed in arabic ! ما شاء الله

Umar bin al-Khattaab (radiallaahu anhu) said, "Learn the Arabic (language) because it is from your religion, and learn the laws of inheritance because it is from your religion." (Reported by Ibn Abee Shaybah 6/118). Notice here that we have a command to master that which is spoken and written (literacy) and also that which relates to numeracy, the laws of inheritance relate to calculations involving fractions. Imaam al-Shaafi'ee (rahimahullaah) said, (as occurs in Irshaad al-Fuhool, p. 421): "It is obligatory upon every Muslim to learn from the Arabic language what allows him to make effort in fulfilling his obligations." Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said, "For the Arabic language itself is from the religion, having knowledge of it is an obligation because understanding the Book and the Sunnah is an obligation. And (the religion) cannot be understood except by understanding the Arabic language, and that without which an obligation cannot be fulfilled is itself obligatory. Then from it is that which is obligatory upon everyone individually, and from it is that which is a collective obligation." (al-Iqtidaa p. 295). And Imaam al-Shawkaanee (rahimahullaah) said, "Know that when the Book and the Sunnah have come in the language of the Arabs and knowledge of them is dependent upon knowledge of (Arabic) then knowledge of it is the most important of obligations." (Irshaad al-Fuhool, p. 38). Source, "al-Tuhfah al-Sunniyyah" of Salih al-Bakree.

>>23797

السلام عليكم اخواننا الافاضل . احييكم على حبكم هذا الدين العظيم و تعظيمكم للغة العرب التي انزل بها .رغم الملذات و الضغوطات . تبثكم الله على الحق و فروا بدينكم من بلاد المشركين عباد الصليب ان استطعتم .

لمن اراد تعلم العربية انا عربي لسانا و نسبا . مرحبا باي اخ للاسلام منكم و باي وسيلة اردتم البدء في هذا الخير العظيم .

هذا حسابي على briar لمن اراد التواصل

briar://ad3ia42mjfgtu4dcd2cxgrg7iqexbl3ranbs2ic43invmahcrukws

To all my brothers in islam . m an arab and m willing to help anyone intrested in learning my lnguage. Join me in briar.

>>42450

And sorry for not giving any resources but i think actual talking with arabs will really help . and you can start by al quran al kareem for basic prononciation.

You can also start by memorizing mutalath qurtob .

I've seen someone in america with a good arabic having an instition . he is called okasha kumaini iirc .

Ignore this LARPer - 85566c

>>42465

What is your basis for this accusation?

>>42466

His posts, he made like five really obvious LARP posts in different threads the same day. Hence I would not recommend anyone trying to contact this dubious person.

>>42470

>he made like five really obvious LARP posts in different threads

How would you know that?

https://archived.moe/t/thread/746368

>Most of the languages included