b3a1fa No.23076
I think maghreb is condemned to the same fate as west… just yesterday, I was debating with some moroccan atheists that I know irl, their only arguments are some shit they saw on wikiislam, the worst is that they all have this "I just learned something" syndrom, from the time they know you are an islamist, they automatically presuppose that you have no knowledge, no culture and you cannot think by yourself, they are of a level of arrogance…
The worst thing about it is that they multiply so quickly, especially on the rich class, who thinks religion is something for the so retarded populace. It worries me, I see less and less true intellectuals muslims in this country…
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f4a9a5 No.23079
You can't change someone's mind until they're open to discussion. The only good thing to come from debating them would be to prove to everyone else how wrong they are.
I don't think it'll be that much of a problem in the long term.
For every tard who decides Islam is beneath them, there's someone discovering the religion and learning more to convert. The best we can do is act as good role models, and make sure people actually know about the basics of Islam. That way if they stumble on hate sites they'll know to discard them.
Although I wish there was some way to knock WI off the top of every fucking Google search.
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64d642 No.23090
I used to read and even comment on Islamophobic hate sites before I became muslim. Eventually I realized that all the worst people in the world are united by one thing: hatred of Islam, that's what started to wake me up.
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99df37 No.23119
>>23090
>Eventually I realized that all the worst people in the world are united by one thing: hatred of Islam, that's what started to wake me up.
>>23090
>Eventually I realized that all the worst people in the world are united by one thing: hatred of Islam
As we say milat al kufr wahida, the nation of disbelief is one
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4f630e No.23121
>>23076
This was always the case. From the time when Islam first started to this day, it's usually the oppressed, the pious and the downtrodden who are more open to religion. The rich are too busy with materialistic pleasures to see the true nature of this world.
They fetishize western culture and call religious people 'brainwahsed', while in truth, it is them that are brainwashed. Some people lament about their own poor state and say this is a hard test from Allah. But in reality, everyone is tested accordingly. Even the rich people living stable lives are tested by Allah with their wealth.
All we can do is make sure that we perform our duties properly and ask Allah for help and mercy.
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caad04 No.23124
A lot of people just want to envy or be bigoted and Islam doesn't allow that so they flee from Islam to preserve the hardness of their hearts.
We can't resent rich or poor people just for being rich or poor since the rizq comes from Allah, resenting someone's wealth means resenting Allah's decree.
And we can't resent people because of their race because if you have a problem with the creation that means you have a problem with the Creator.
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5360f6 No.27449
The francophile zindiqs that are making a ruckus about inheritance are mentally retarded. They want everyone to accept that some random western lawmaker in the 21st century has higher authority than God. So for a state to decide inheritance laws is perfectly fine. They want to steal 20 percent of the inheritance in "tax"? Sure no problem. It's their right. But when someone says hey, how about God deciding the rules then chaos ensues and human rights are being breached. This is why secularism is absurd. If it were not for sharia one might just as well reason that a person should be able to decide how to allocate it completely, it being within one's right to leave out the daughters completely.
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8c983e No.27450
>>23090
>went from stirner to rafidhi to /pol/ to islam
kek, 8chan is an amazing place.
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a6381d No.27453
>>23090
> I realized that all the worst people in the world are united by one thing: hatred of Islam
This, like when the ☻ milo kissed gavin as a protest against Islam lmao.
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5e780a No.27454
>>27453
How will Islam ever recover?
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5360f6 No.27455
>>27453
So this is the new level of "ironic" homosexuals.
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bc3859 No.27463
>>27453
Don't use the F slur please.
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93dfa8 No.27464
I'm happy to see another Rifi brother here, looking the pic you posted in the OP.
At least our region is still strong in its iman.
>It worries me, I see less and less true intellectuals muslims in this country…
This is the real problem, rather than some dumb atheist teens.
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93dfa8 No.27465
>>23090
Tell us more about your story, I'm personally very interested.
>>27453
It's okay though, because it was just IRONIC, he didn't really mean it. As long as you only IRONICALLY enjoy getting butt☻ed, it's not really gay.
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a28f92 No.27468
>>27463
Post edited. Wordfilter added.
Let's refrain from epithets and slurs and keep our conversations as civil as possible.
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a6381d No.27471
>>27468
Why are we letting 1 mentally ill tranny dictate what derogatory terms we can't use against homosexuals?
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d250fd No.27472
>>27471
We're not letting anyone dictate policy. It actually used to be filtered, but I'd made some changes and forgot to add it back.
I don't like slurs. You can talk about homosexuals without using slurs. It is not necessary to use foul language to express yourself.
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3f6dc1 No.27483
>>27471
Hey, the T slur isn't cool either. This is a religious board so be respectable.
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ab9b2f No.27486
>>23090
pretty funny image. kind of similar to my progression of thought. I ended up at Islam after eliminating the possibility of anything else. Think of the alternatives: all inferior. Look at the /pol/ larpers, they post frog memes and their moderator is an incel jew who cuts himself on livestream.
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a6381d No.27487
>>27483
I don't respect sodomites.
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ab9b2f No.27488
>>27453
>>27471
>>27487
I have control of the board >>>/muslim/
The only rule is against gross transgressions like shirk.
<I'm going to state it openly to the board owner here:
I do not like you. As an overall new and ignorant revert, I need guidance on Islam, and many others do as well. I do not have the board >>>/muslim/ because I want to pretend Im an internet tough guy just because I have mod powers there, but because I recognize this board as counter productive and do not want to be exposed to the misbehavior espoused by the FAGS you tolerate.
Also you're clearly a leftypol browser given your love of socialism and the constant barrage of leftypol users who come here pretending to be muslims and subvert the purpose of the board. You try to say it's okay for you to be left wing because otherwise the alternative is being some sort of /pol/ retard, but I reject this, because the only belief that matters is Islam, and I dont browse /pol/ whatsoever, so you cant slander me this way.
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5360f6 No.27489
>>27488
Is there really a "constant barrage" of them though? I mean I'm not trying to defend propagandists of homosexuality/socialism etc but from the months I've been at this board I haven't seen that many of them.
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ab9b2f No.27491
>>27489
If a fly lands on your shoulder, it weighs little, but its annoying nonetheless, yeah?
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71b0a9 No.27495
>>27488
>I have control of the board >>>/muslim/
If you have control of it, then why is it so full of spam?
>I do not like you
I'm not here to be liked.
>I need guidance on Islam
You should be going to mosque for that.
>I recognize this board as counter productive
Noted
>you're clearly a leftypol browser
Actually, no I'm not, but you're entitled to believe that.
>you cant slander me
But you can slander me? Bit hypocritical, but ok.
Good luck with your board. Clean it up and establish a purpose for it and I'll link it in the sticky.
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005e85 No.27496
>>27495
Don't listen to him, you're doing good brother.
You can't be kicking everyone who disagrees with orthodoxy (even though I, and you, believe orthodoxy is the correct way, as the etymology indicates to begin with), because that's not how you open hearts.
You can either make an echo chamber, where the collective spirit becomes more and more extreme (as it is in every echo chamber on the internet), or you can instead make a beautiful garden that invites strangers to the truth.
I'm glad that you made what I believe to be the correct choice. You're not perfect, but I don't believe I would personally have struck such a good balance.
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ab9b2f No.27497
>>27495
A tame response.
>But you can slander me?
I stated facts.
>You should be going to mosque for that.
I should, but the closest thing to a mosque is literally a tent. I'm not exaggerating. The Qadianis have a tent. and its a 2 hour drive. 4 hours round trip. for a tent. a qadiani tent. I will be near a real mosque (and quite beautiful one) this summer though.
According to google, we used to have a mosque in my city, but it closed :(
Tell me though, I watch lectures from scholars on youtube, and none of them advocate the toleration of political ideologues, sodomites, or the like.
How would you have me trust you?
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a6381d No.27498
>>27488
>>27497
Brother pls, I know him, he has good intentions. He's just more tolerant with homosexuals and leftists than I am that's all. I disagree with him on that point, but he runs the board quite well and is neutral admin.
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5360f6 No.27500
>>27497
>>27491
If that's the case that you don't have a lot of muslims around you then I think that's even more reason to stay on this board rather than try to make a new one. Imo this is the least by-problem-makers overrun forum I've come across online.
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71b0a9 No.27501
>>27497
>A tame response.
Of all the things I may be, an asshole isn't one of them. I don't feel the need to throw around casual insults, slurs, or epithets in order to communicate.
>none of them advocate the toleration of political ideologues, sodomites, or the like
Neither do I necessarily, but this board is not my little kingdom. I may have access to its settings, but this board is made by all of us. There are going to be people you don't like, don't agree with, and don't accept everywhere you go. It's best to get used to that because even at the mosque there will be brothers who don't share your world view. For example, transgenderism is treated as a medical condition in many Islamic countries and transition is encouraged and - in some cases - even paid for by the State. Those people, those Muslims, are no less my brothers/sisters merely for going through something I have not. We are all tested.
It's not about you.
It's not about me.
>How would you have me trust you?
That's not up to me. I act in accordance with my gut, my heart, my faith, and my love for my fellow man as guided by the Creator of all things. You're not always going to agree with me, nor I with you; but I'm not going to start handing out bans for simple disagreements. This is no more my echo-chamber than it is yours.
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8c983e No.27502
Salam, I didn't read all these argument posts, but to put my 2 cents in, I think a wise decision would be not to filter too many words, slurs or otherwise, because some consider it an attack on freedom of speech, but to make bullying any particular individual on the board against the rules.
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9a1cdf No.27503
>>27502
I think it's okay in order to keep our discourse civil, and to not desecrate the name of God.
We're on 8ch, we all know what word is "filtered" under a smiley face. He's not banning anyone for saying "f****t", he simply filtered the word, which is totally fine.
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71b0a9 No.27504
>>27502
The original filters were put in place to prevent /pol/ from taking over the board. The first few months on this board was a barrage of /pol/-fueled LARPing either from the white nationalist standpoint or pretending to be Muslim in order to concern troll about ISIS.
Over time it became apparent that they weren't getting anywhere, so they moved on to the next target. Non-legacy boards all get the "/pol/ treatment", as it were, just to see how far they can push the narrative.
As for free speech, well, there really isn't any. This board, like all boards, has rules. The government can't arrest you for saying "Muhammad was a pedo warlord!" but I can at least keep that drivel off of this board. Every now and then someone will come post something "sup3r le edgy" and I'll quietly get rid of it. I've made it so that this board is really boring to attack and I've done that quietly behind the scenes and by use of word filters. Nothing ruins a copypasta troll's day like messing up their pasta.
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ab9b2f No.27505
>>27503
>saying "f****t", he simply filtered the word, which is totally fine
PIC RELATED, YOU
>>27504
>concern troll about ISIS.
>concern troll
>about ISIS
Damn, you're really all over the place aren't you. A socialist, fag lover, who thinks non-Muslims can't criticize ISIS.
>The government can't arrest you for saying "Muhammad was a pedo warlord!" but I can at least keep that drivel off of this board.
But you allow ☻s. Pathetic. You know why my board >>>/muslim/ will not delete posts from people calling Muhammad a pedo warlord? Because the truth stands on its own. It is when you mix the truth with falsehoods however, like your tolerance of ☻ry and socialism, that is the problem.
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71b0a9 No.27506
>>27505
Well, I've successfully run this board for nearly 5 years, so I'll just ignore your whining, mmkay? You can either be civil or you can leave. There is no other option.
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5360f6 No.27507
>>27505
>But you allow ☻s. Pathetic.
Blasphemy is worse than sodomy. If you're saying that you'll allow the former but not allow homosexuals or socialists to post on your board then that's pretty stupid.
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8a1026 No.27508
>>27505
>Filtering words to promote an online Masjid is the equivalent to being an SJW.
>mfw
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770afb No.27510
>>27505
err..wait your board allows ppl to insult the prophet PBUH?? By Allah that is worst than sodomy and you should delete your board in that case !
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673893 No.27511
>>27507
You misinterpret what I wrote, but I did word it poorly. The falsehoods and slander of nonbelievers will be vanquished by the truth. and still ban them. don’t resort to stupid word filters.
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ab9b2f No.27513
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I'm done here, the board owner is a socialist dyke. On one day he feels like calling you an extremist for believing in the most basic of things and then another day he feels like saying people cannot criticize ISIS. Lunatic.
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5360f6 No.27515
>>27511
Oh ok my bad then. But if falsehood will vanquish by truth I don't see the problem with "tolerating" socialists posting here…
>saying people cannot criticize ISIS.
I think you're misinterpreting BO now tbh.
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85d0b4 No.27517
>>27513
>still trying to pick a fight with the BO
Lurk more.
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71b0a9 No.27518
>>27513
I'm not going to argue with you. You can either be civil or you can leave. Call me all the names you want, but that is only a reflection on you.
>I'm done here
Yeah, I don't believe that.
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5360f6 No.27569
Their brains are still colonized. I mean they'll complain about Arabization while speaking in french ffs.
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92a524 No.27617
>>23076
>It worries me, I see less and less true intellectuals muslims in this country…
Islam is not meant for "intellectuals" its very simple and a matter of faith not deductive reasoning or empirical verification. So there really is no need to argue with disbelievers or people of other religions. It's like arguing over whose dad would win in a fight. It can't be verified and you can't convince people who aren't willing to be convinced.
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2695b6 No.27704
>>27464
what he is talking about is more common in central morocco, i'm jabli and i don't see many atheists here or at least they don't slander islam openly
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045779 No.32912
>>32905
وَمَا دُعَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ إِلَّا فِي ضَلَالٍ
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259d15 No.32914
>their only arguments are some ☻ they saw on wikiislam
>they all have this "I just learned something" syndrom
>from the time they know you are an islamist, they automatically presuppose that you have no knowledge, no culture and you cannot think by yourself, they are of a level of arrogance
>they multiply so quickly, especially on the rich class, who thinks religion is something for the so retarded populace
>less and less true intellectuals muslims in this country
wow, very same with turkey
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616e59 No.32916
>>32914
That's because the scholars for dollars of turkey (diyanet) and the palace scholars of the moroccan king are working for the government with a corrupt aqeedah teaching the people.
Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, Allah does not withhold knowledge by snatching it away from his servants, but rather he withholds knowledge by withholding scholars, until no scholar remains and people follow ignorant leaders. They are asked and they issue judgments without knowledge. Thus, they are astray and lead others astray.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 100, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2673
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c77557 No.32927
>>32916
well, diyanet was founded by atatürk after all. so he could spread his kufr with help of munafiqoon and mushrikeen easier. thank god we have this hadith, rasulullah(saw) spoke the truth.
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ba48c6 No.42943
>>27464
rhmdolilah, nhmd sidi arbi wnchakrith.
but it started, among young women.
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