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3bdcbb No.17640

Some guy posted this in /b/ but there thread got deleted before I could reply, so I figured I'd post this here instead.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/brain-cells-in-the-heart/

the neurons in your heart are related to your nervous system; they have nothing to do with your brain. Not all brain cells are neurons and not all neurons are brain cells. Neurons do not necessarily have to be related to thinking or storing knowledge either.

I read that Koran quote as being a metaphor for learning in general; it does not literally mean that your heart will learn, your mind will learn. People often use heart and soul a little interchangeably when talking philosophically. Do Muslims believe literally everything is word for word true, that nothing can simply be an allegory?

d3d9cc No.17642

The Quran is not a science book. Science changes Quran doesnt


3bdcbb No.17645

>>17642

It doesn't bother you that it might have untruths in it?


281c3d No.17652

the heart reacts before the brain


335af6 No.17653

>>17645

The Qur'an has no untruths.


3bdcbb No.17655

>>17653

How do you know that? Because it is the word of God, correct? Then how do you know it is the word of God? Because it has no untruths? Don't you see why circular logic doesn't work?

>>17652

I don't see what reacting has to do with anything; reacting does not mean your heart is thinking or learning, that's what reflexes are. The Koran quote says nothing about reacting; it specifically says learning.

Once again I ask you; can't you view this as a figure of speech or do you have to take every verse literally?


70ee88 No.17656

The words “blinded are the hearts” in that verse are used in the metaphorical and not in the literal sense.


3bdcbb No.17659

>>17656

So things in the Koran can be allegorical? Because I see so many Muslims arguing that everything in the Koran must be literally taken as the truth.


20af1e No.17660

>>17655

>How do you know that?

Because I am Muslim.


20af1e No.17661

>>17655

>do you have to take every verse literally?

The Qur'an is a whole, not a bunch of parts. Only Christians follow the "chapter:verse" ideology.


281c3d No.17667

>>17655

It is literal, if you disagree then by islamic law you are not muslim.


3ea09d No.17668

>>17661

>The Qur'an is a whole, not a bunch of parts.

I'm not sure I follow. Can you elaborate?


3bdcbb No.17670

>>17661

I guess that makes sense, except what do you do when you find contradictions or things don't conform with reality?


20af1e No.17671

>>17668

Qur'an is not to be taken piecemeal. We don't look at a single ayah as the whole of truth.

>>17670

I've found neither.


7e9485 No.17726

>>17640

>Do Muslims believe literally everything is word for word true, that nothing can simply be an allegory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahir_(Islam)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batin_(Islam)

Quran 3:7

He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

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50ec1b No.17730

>>17655

>Don't you see why circular logic doesn't work?

Only circular logic works i.e. makes sense of the world holistically, so that parts mutually explain each other. The hard part is how to enter the circle at a good point and angle, and make it self-connected as seamlessly as possible. This means the Quran has to be read and interpreted multiple times to get closer and closer to a coherent understanding of how each part fits and constitutes the whole and how this whole in turn gives meaning to each part. Hence the need for continuous study.

Every other logic that pretends to be non-circular will always have a need to find an ultimate external foundation for itself, which will in turn need a further foundation, and so on to infinity, so it will always remain fundamentally unfounded. Whereas the coherence of the circle is its own internal foundation. You will find parts within Quran that refer to the whole of Quran as such, such as in the opening Surah and in the beginning of the 2nd one.

>Once again I ask you; can't you view this as a figure of speech or do you have to take every verse literally?

It's not a question of metaphorical vs. literal reading. The language of Quran is itself different than our modern materialistic language where all spiritual content of words has been removed or pushed aside. Both those who argue for a literal approach, as those who argue for a metaphorical one, are doing so on the basis of their inability to experience the world spiritually. So for example those who argue for a metaphorical approach do so because they have to compensate for their inability to go beyond their otherwise materialistic understanding of words.

To be more concrete: when somebody says I love you with all my heart, they don't mean their heart as a material body organ, but neither do they mean it as a secondary extension of meaning (i.e. metaphor) on the basis of a material body organ - both cases assume a materialistic meaning as a basis and therefore make the expression seem equally nonsensical. If the word "heart" primarily means just another organ, how could it have then been connected to love secondarily? Expressions like above existed before modern clinical practice (e.g. "anatomical pathology") started dominating our imagination, which it did in relatively recent times. Heart had a different, spiritual and emotional meaning before, of which our heartbeat was a direct bodily experience. And it obviously still has this meaning in many uses. This meaning was then extended to the specific material body organ (not the other way around) when it was found out, already early in history, that this part within our body is what physically produces heartbeat. The further step was then taken much much later, in modern history, when the primary spiritual or rather holistic meaning was gradually reduced to the secondary material one, eventually producing a completely materialistic view of human existence with no place for spirituality, which is the stage we have reached now in the West.


20af1e No.17733

>>17726

Sorry, had to edit out the red text. That much of it was horrible.

Thank you for the ayah, however.




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