/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

I haven't decided yet and won't decide until November 1st. All of the candidates have until then to sway my vote. Not shills for the candidates, but the candidates themselves.

Right now, though, I'm leaning toward this guy:

http://andy2016.com/

He wants to preserve the Sasquatch species.

It doesn't matter who wins, nothing will change for Muslims

Arent muslims like 2% there.Muslims affairs wouldnt be their selling point

>>16719

Closer to 1%. Islam is actually, even at 1%, the third largest religion in the US. It's just a predominately Christian nation.

The figure of Trump remembers me of something….

During the early years of the Prophet(Pbuh) mission, there was between the Pagans one that distrusted more Islam that between their commoners, he persecute Muslims, torture them, some even got killed , he hated Prophet Muhammad for separating Pagan Arabia in two, in acted in defense of the False Idols that used to stand in the Kaaba, even when he know that he was standing for Falseness just because those Idols were the ones that her ancestor worshipped, he even got called "the Terror of Islam" for her contemporanies.

For muslims here, you should know already know the person i talking about, but for the Unbelievers lurking here, he later convert to Islam, and as the Second Caliph he assured that the religion of the almigthy will not perish in her lifetime, and started to preach Islam in all the corners of the world, just like later, the Mongols that destruyed bagdhad and were about to wipe off the Ummah converted to Islam.

We should not worry, all happens to the will of Allah, and Allah ask for us our martydoom, then we should provide as he provide for us, we will never submit because the is truth is in our side.

>>16707

>against open-border policy

That's not relevant. We don't want more squat Catholics in America.

The problem is that he wants to exclude Muslims (which might not even be a problem, if the liberals are right that they can "assimilate" our pure deen into their cancerous civ)

Trump is a step in a very interesting direction, we have to see how he delivers though

No one.

It's a waste of time and you're stuck with whoever the elite chose to rig it for this year either way.

Your vote is irrelevant.

>>16730

He won't deliver. Campaign promises are just fancy lies to pander to a voting base in order to get elected.

>>16707

Bismilah ir rahman ar raheem

Islamic brothers and sisters, please spread this message to all american muslims. American muslims, listen, you must vote for Hilary Clinton this coming election. Why?

1. Trump is a racist.

2. Our prophet (pbuh) said:

>Sahih Bukhari Book 92, Hadith 50: …"Never will succeed such a nation that makes a woman their ruler."

And this is what we wish for them but not for us.

3. Hilary will help our brothers in syria to defeat the kaffir shia dog Assad.

Thank you for reading this, and peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah.

>>16707

lol why would any muslim consider voting for trump its like a jew voting for hitler

>>16808

>Hilary will help our brothers in syria to defeat the kaffir shia dog Assad.

Just like in Libya right?

>>16811

Libya is a thriving state

>>16808

It should be noted that the President is not the ruler of the United States. So, electing Clinton is not making a woman our ruler. Not that I care either way at this point, but the hadith doesn't apply to US elections.

I don't know why Muslim immigration to the West should be encouraged/tolerated by Muslims; the children of Muslim immigrants to the West become materialistic nihilists like everyone else here.

>>16837

Perhaps a little Muslim sensibility would do the west some good.

>>16837

Hi, I'm the child of Muslim immigrants.

I'm not materialistic or nihilist.

Nice to meet you.

Trump is the obvious candidate for Muslims in America. The unfortunate thing is that, like most people, many American Muslims are incapable of setting aside their emotions and looking at it rationally. Spend more than a few minutes considering what the two candidate's policies would mean in practice and you'd quickly realize who would benefit American Muslims more.

Only one person currently running in this election is actually responsible for the death of innocent Muslims by the hundreds of thousands. And yet you've got fools like >>16808 telling you to vote for her because "Trump is a racist," a claim which absolutely no one can definitively prove.

One thing I'll never fully understand is why mainstream Muslims tend to get defensive when discussing "radical Islam." It would seem to me that prohibiting entry to people who express a desire to murder and enslave others would be considered a perfectly reasonable immigration policy when discussing any other group of people.

I'm a Christian. When people say "The Westboro Baptist Church is absolutely wretched. I really hate those kinds of fundamentalist Christians," I'm in full agreement with that sentiment. Virtually every person I've ever met thinks that's a normal point of view.

But when someone says, "Jihadists are terrible people. We shouldn't let them in this country," inexplicably this becomes some kind of controversial statement.

And yet, who would suffer the most by the importation of these lunatics? Who in America stands to lose the most if droves of fighting age men brainwashed by radicalism decided to move into the towns of mainstream American Muslims? American Muslims, obviously! What, you thought they'd be raping some other guy's daughter? You thought they'd be convincing some other guy's son to go join a jihadist group? You though they'd murder some other man who happened to be Shiite instead of Sunni, or vice versa? They're your neighbors now. You get to deal with them.

Or so you might.

The "extreme vetting" Trump proposes would have the effect of preserving American Muslim communities and engendering their greater development in our free society. Trump offers a path for American Muslims to bring their faith with them into the 21st century, rather than get dragged back into the 8th.

>>17045

I think they are voting to her so America gets screwed. they know she is a liar and she is a bad candidate everyone knows that.I personally don't want America to be great again.

>>17046

but then again that's my opinion and I am not american so I am not gonna make any difference. maybe another american brother can answer you.

>>17046

yeah that's exactly it, we KNOW she will be absolutely terrible for america, that's why we want her to win duh

>>17045

There's a huge difference between Trump and Clinton.

Trump will be certain people's President.

Hillary will be everyone's President.

Trump is not our ally and I will not accept him as one. Trump is not qualified to decide who is and who is not a good Muslim.

>>17057

>Hillary will be everyone's President.

What behavior have you seen from her that would ever give you the indication that she would act on anyone's behalf except herself and her own inner circle?

Hillary will only speak to her own supporters, at expensive venues, in areas closed off to the media. She hasn't had a press conference in over 270 days. She is the least accessible person to have run for president in decades.

Beyond her opaqueness, she's an obvious crook. Her criminality is so overt is staggers the imagination. Why in the world would Muslims vote for a known thief and serial liar? Isn't there some kind of rule having to do with thievery in Islam?

Hillary will be "certain people's" president, namely her wealthy donors.

Meanwhile, Trump goes to places like Detroit, Louisiana, and Mexico to make himself available to people he knows would normally disagree with him. He doesn't shy away from "certain people." He is the first Republican to get majority votes of every demographic within the GOP, including Muslims.

>Trump is not qualified to decide who is and who is not a good Muslim.

The metric in this country that determines whether or not you should be allowed to enter is whether or not you would be a good American. Questions regarding religion are irrelevant to that conversation.

>>17047

>>17048

>>17046

Probably the best endorsement I've read of Trump's ban on Muslim immigration. It's clear there is no brotherhood for men like you—the minute you'd arrive here, you'd try to lord yourself over your neighbors. Given the choice, you'd rather see American Muslims suffer than see all Americans (including American Muslims) prosper. Look inwards and ask yourself if I am wrong.

>>17058

I've watched her speeches and I've watched Trumps speeches.

Trump is full of "you gotta believe me" drivel. I do not believe one man can do anything alone, but he does and his followers do.

That's all I need to know. Trump is a nationalist and a potential tyrant.

>>17063

I'm pretty sure that OP just wanted to see if we're voting Trump.

>>17065

Meh, even if op is an pro-tump support or not, i just wanted to show /islam/ there are other choices sine the already became what the thread is called, a American elections 2016 thread/general.

>>17063

Neither of these candidates are going to win though. Libs and greens never achieved the same magnitude of popular support as dems and reps. Incidentally, we'll probably see the Republican party split in two after this election, regardless of who wins. This new generation of millenial republicans and alt-righters simply cannot be controlled by the moderates or even the neocons.

Trump is merely against Muslim Immigrants due to the interspersed puppets of the current regime who seek to spread a terrible fear and hatred of Islam. Not a single one of his proposed policies deals with the Muslims in America or the teaching of Islam to American Citizens.

Trump represents Islams values the most.

t. knower

>>17075

>Neither of these candidates are going to win though.

>Libs and greens never achieved the same magnitude of popular support as dems and reps.

Well hold on there now, if the /islam/ vote come together and well… vote for one of the candidates and it can have an effect on the poll, and now sine Hillary Clinton And Donald Trump are now unpopular equally (http://archive.is/WASPU) this could be a damn good time for a third party candidate to win, especially when back at 2012 only 54.9% voted (http://archive.is/soST8) and only 80% are registered to vote (http://archive.is/MioYK), so a third party can have about a 25.1% more voters.

>>17045

>>17058

This tbh

>>17145

Trump and his supporters are anti-Islam. Spend 10 minutes on /pol/ and you'll see the truth of it.

But, since you're Canadian, I'll forgive your ignorance of US politics.

>>17146

> Spend 10 minutes on /pol/ and you'll see the truth of it.

Saying /pol/ is representative of all of trumps supporters is like saying Tumblr is representative of Hillary's supporters.

>>17192

/pol/ is a Trump board. Tumblr is primarily porn.

>>17192

it's more of not all trump supporters are /pol/ but all (well majority) of /pol/ are trump supporters. same goes for tumblr

Trump isn't anti Islam. Some of his supporters definately are.

But he himself is not.

He says Radical/Fundamentalist Islam is supported by a lot of Muslims. Which is absolutely true. And a massive problem.

Then again, he equates "Shari'ah Law" to Fundamentalism (which basically just confirms that he has no idea what he's talking about) and supports Zionism and copious Middle East Interventionalism despite saying he's anti Globalist (which shows that he's nothing but a hypocrite and a liar)

>>17195

>Radical/Fundamentalist Islam is supported by a lot of Muslims.

Except that's not true. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims in the world. Even if a million Muslims support extremism, that's still not "a lot" by any stretch of the imagination - especially if you use his "bowl full of skittles" analogy.

I'm all for Shariah in civil matters, but I'd most definitely rather keep the Constitution when it comes to criminal courts.

>>17196

About 30% worldwide beleive apostates should be executed. Along with other highly extreme views

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

I don't like it either. At all.

And I'd actually go a step further than you. Shari'ah should be the supreme law of any civilized Muslim Nation. Moral degeneration and liberalism should be curtailed out of all public life.

I don't have any issue with Muslims wanting Shari'ah to be "a part of government". As Shari'ah is not code for extremism.

I do have an Issue with the "kill and mutilate everyone for every sin they commit" [foul language]e.

>>17197

That is a 3 year old and very pointed set of surveys using very questionable polling techniques. It's generally used in /pol/-like circles because it fits their narrative.

We should not fall for confirmation bias.

>>17198

Oh, you really think attitudes have changed so radically in the Middle East and South Asia 3 years?

/pol/? Pew is pretty much the gold standard of demographic resaerch and very apolitical. They serve no populist organization or anything.

And what questionable techniques? give an explanation and sources for that claim if it's true.

>>17197

30%. What about the other 70%?

>>17199

No explanation is necessary. Do your own homework. If you're going to use them as global truth, then you need to be prepared to defend them.

>>17200

Never said Fundamentalists are the majority of us. But 30% is a pretty huge amount of Muslims.

>>17202

One need not be a Jihadi to be a Fundamentalist. Crazy Deobandi Preachers usually never scream for "Jihad". But they do advocate the state to violently butcher people they don't like.

Just because I advocate standing up to those who preach hate in my faith doesn't mean I'm some subhuman nazi ape from /pol/.

>>17201

>>17202

Pew is one of the least biased, most reliable survey institutions in America, according to Slate. Which, itself is pretty politically centrist.

There's no point in denying it. Fundamentalists are a large chunk of Muslims and they threaten us all.

If you're all fine with seeing your religion spoken for and corrupted by fanatics. Comfortable with being insulted, harassed and threatened as a dissident from Radical Islamist Dogma and somehow still comfortable with calling yourself a Muslim, then fine, be my guest. You do that.

Rest of us are gonna call attention to the issue. And, Inshallah, it will be dealt with in due time.

>>17205

>Fundamentalists are a large chunk of Muslims

I believe it was mentioned earlier: There are nearly 2 billion Muslims in the world. Did you happen to notice that the Pew polls are based on ~1200 Muslims?

You cannot honestly tell me that 1,200 Muslims can in any way be representative of the whole of Islam. Even if it were 1,000,000 Muslims, it still would not even be close to a "large chunk".

Confirmation bias != Data

>>17205

Tell us, oh concern troll, just what exactly do you want us to do about it?

Spewing tired old memes and useless polls aren't a solution to anything. Those polls are used to HURT us, not help us.

So, what would you have us do? I assume you're Muslim and, thus, have a solution; but concern trolling isn't welcome around here.

>>17207

Take a stand against Fundamentalists. Acknowledge that they're a problem and support measures against them explicitly.

You can call me whatever you like. Not gonna change the facts.

>>17206

Not how opinion polls work, you idiot.

All you need is an appropriate sample size. Mathematical magic takes you all from there.

http://theweek.com/articles/517178/briefing-how-polls-work

Margins of error are possible. But if the sample size is like in the pew poll, the largest multilingual poll it's ever made, it's really not very likely

I can't believe that you guys actually have trouble beleiving that Fundamentalism is a widespread problem in the Muslim world.

Have you ever met Muslims or looked at information from outside your cozy upper middle class bubbles? You think the majority of Islam is as liberal as you?

It's not like I'm saying we should support populist [social epithet]s like Trump. I'm just saying it's a problem we should be aware of and address.

>>17208

>Take a stand against Fundamentalists.

There is nothing I can do about them. Unless you have an actual plan, then GTFO. You're just concern trolling.

>Acknowledge that they're a problem

OK … they're a problem. Happy now? Though you should be aware that we do it ALL THE TIME. It's not our fault that you refuse to listen when we do.

For example: You know who's taking care of the ISIS problem? MUSLIMS.

>support measures against them explicitly

Such as building a wall and forcing all Muslims to wear a specific identifier? No.

>>17209

>Not how opinion polls work

That is exactly how that special little poll worked. ~1200 Muslims were surveyed. Your blindness is a bigger problem than any fundamentalist has ever been. If you were actually Muslim, then you would know.

>>17210

This is the very definition of "concern trolling". I said it before and I'll say it again: Offer a solution or GTFO.

/pol/-like behavior is not welcome here. Ever. No LARPing, no concern trolling, and no demanding we bend to your will and do what you want.

>>17208

>>17209

>>17210

http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Muslims.html

http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/articles/klpog-islam-is-against-terrorism-and-the-islamic-legal-rulings-on-terrorist-acts-and-those-who-commit-them.cfm

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

https://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-11.htm

https://www.alislam.org/response.html

http://www.freemuslims.org/

How much is it going to take before you kafir are satisfied? We're far more outspoken against extremism and terrorism than you are, yet you claim that we are the problem because we don't do enough.

And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion.

PS: muslims are of a small numbers in the US and those who vote among them are even smaller so they will not make any difference.(it's not like voting makes a difference in the us anyway).

>>17212

Who the [foul language] are you calling a Kafir, you worthless [redacted]?

I don’t deny Scholars and Ordinary Muslims have widely spoken out about it already. I'm just saying we need to unite against New Fundamentalists coming in from other countries and being influenced by Saudi and Deobandi sponsered organizations.

It seems you as well are affected by the ultraliberal zionist media and want to ignore the problem.

If anything, you're the Kafir.

>>17214

Go calm down.

[Post full of non-arguments and personal attacks redacted]

>>17203

So is 70%. But no..let's paint 30% of Muslims as a majority. Again..double standards at work against Muslims. Because if it's any other group, that 30% would be called the lunatic fringe.

Enough with the insults and accusations. If you can't behave like adults, I will close this thread and not allow this topic on my board.

Keep a civil tongue.

>>17230

This has been one of the biggest problems we have faced since the 9/11 attacks - though some may say it began with Munich.

Every one of us suddenly becomes responsible for all of us. One Muslim does a terrible thing and all of Islam is blamed. Somehow we're all supposed to magically know when a person is about to commit a terrible act.

However, if a non-Muslim does something terrible, it's a "big surprise" and "I didn't see it coming; he seemed like such a nice guy". We are held to greater scrutiny for no rational reason. They honestly believe that our "fringe element" is the norm while the rest of us - the ones who don't do anything wrong - are either a tiny minority or we're "western ZOG liberal indoctrinated".

>>17233

What really bothers me is that statistically, a Muslim is far more likely to be a victim of violence than they are to commit violence; yet the media never wants to talk about anti-Muslim hate crimes, and always paints Muslims as the villains.

november 5th

>>17241

What's on November 5th?

>>17241

Are you confusing Election Day with Guy Fawkes Day?

>>17233

Sadly Muslims have to submit to the Western system and ideology even more than is expected of other people normally, otherwise they're perceived as not being integrated enough. A non-Muslim can criticize the West much more than a Muslim is allowed to, otherwise they are perceived as radicalized.

Muslims have to match this fantasy idea of what a good Westerner is even though there is no such thing in reality. And the more Muslims are eager to match this bogus idea, the more other people pay attention to where they fail to match it perfectly.

But if there are things in the world that still resist Western nihilism, Islam is one of them. The West is secretly jealous of the rest of world for still preserving their meaning, and not humiliating themselves. So the West parades its own nihilism as progress, making a spectacle out of it, and out of jealousy challenges others to do the same. It can't stand that others still maintain something to struggle for, because life without a struggle is agony.

Western empire is both without honor and has too much power, which is what tyranny is. That is precisely their weakness and future collapse, but they want to take the rest of the world with them. All empires implode eventually, but this is the first truly cynical and globalized empire. Some of its own people themselves are starting to resist it.

>>17247

So, what you are saying is…the Western system is like high school.

>>17254

I never looked at it like this way.it makes so much sense now.

>>17247

It's a very strange ideology. I was born in America. I lived as an American until November 2004, when I declared my Islamic faith in the mosque at 32 years old.

Now, suddenly, I'm no longer "American enough"? People truly are strange.

Vote for Jill Stein lads

>>17262

I never decide until November 1st. Until then, all candidates have a chance to sway my vote.

>>17258

Think American society like it's high school..because that's the mentality that America is still stuck in.

>>17243

>muslims blow up the white house

This will just make us look REALLY bad

>>17273

Yeah, no. Look at what was being responded to. November 5th. 11/5, etc. That's not Election Day.

I'm voting Jill Stein to collapse the US economy/satanic usury system

>>16707

General consensus at my mosque is Trump. He's a necessary evil in their view. I am on the fence.

>>17278

Are you in Michigan by any chance? :^)

>>17278

How did they come to this decision?

>>17247

this is one of the best posts in relation to Islam and the west ive seen on 8ch in a while tbqh

t. not a muslim but still love this board

I'm going to have to take "pro-family" out of the Trump side of things. Anyone who refers to his own daughter as "a piece of ass" is not "pro-family".

Trump is sickening.

>>17233

the point is that even if only 30% of muslims support, for example, punishment for apostasy, that's still a huge number, in the order or millions of people, compared to the people who could support it in a liberal western society for it to function properly

>>17396

Support!=Do

I support it for example but I wouldn't kill an apostate. there is a court and all and then there is a specific person who's job is to do that stuff.

That obviously means the land needs to be ruled by Sharia Law for it to happen.I don't think there was any story of someone killing an apostate in a non muslim land. sure there are a lot of cases of killing Kuffars but that's not the same thing.

>>17400

Aye, and those are generally treated as exactly what they are: murder.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that Shariah Law doesn't mean we get to run around killing apostates and unbelievers all scatter shot like cowboys. Shariah has courts, judges, lawyers, and juries. Non-Muslims always think that Shariah is the wild west where the average citizen can murder someone just for lookin' at them funny.

/pol/, with its "right wing death squads", is a far more dangerous ideology than Shariah.

>>17196

Kafir swine

>>16707

Neither. Both are terrible people, and no matter who wins a tragic amount of human life, which is substantially mostly Muslim, is going to be lost.

All they represent is a state that stands for nothing but sodomy and materialism, we should focus on our own communities more so than things we don't have any control over.

"Hillary's view of Islam is so false, so misguided, that she cannot defend us or stand for our rights. If anything, she will try to strip all Muslims from their rights in the world in the name of progress. Every time she speaks of Islam, she stresses that it is a religion of peace and that we are peaceful people. This could not be farther from the truth as we must fight against heresy and infidels, be it peacefully or not. War should not be made but neither should peace if the cost is greater than the cost of war. Degeneracy is worse than death."

"Unfortunate as it is, the only true Islam in the modern world is radical Islam according to Muslims themselves. An infidel is not a believer and a believer cannot choose his path, only infidels will obey their own moral values: a true believer does anything and everything that an authoritative scholar says, including murder of innocent people because they are not innocent."

This is the reason Islam is dead. Modern Islam is cancer.

>>17483

>the only true Islam in the modern world is radical Islam

I think you came to the wrong board. We don't want radicalized stink fouling up this board.

>>>/isis/

>>17234

check your white privilege

>>17483

who are you quoting?

>>17230

He never said they were and accounted for this fact 3 times, when is it enough for you.

He didnt say that.

>>17247

>and future collapse,

And you think its strange ppl dont like us when you think about the destruction of them, you must be of the 30%

>>17700

>>17701

>>17702

You're trying unusually hard to prove how awful Muslims are. You sure you're on the right board?

>>17705

Considering you come across as a fundamentalist looking for destruction, not really.

>>17707

Yeah, I'm thinking you're on the wrong board. This is /islam/, not /rel/. Go try your propaganda over there. It's not going to work here.

>Malcolm X on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

>Malcolm X: Beware of Liberals & Why That's More Relevant Than Ever

http://www.blackagendareport.com/malcomx-on-clinton-vs-trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg68IdhMm8g

>>17727

Malcolm X died in 1965. I don't think he had much of anything to say about election 2016.

>>17734

DATS WAT DEY WANT YOU TO TINK

STAY WOKE

>>17734

>not reading or watch the videos

>>17734

>Implying it wasn't the same goldwater being for use as bait like today with trump

>>16707

>What are /islam views on American elections 2016?

Similarly to this guy's.

Election's over.