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a5d68d No.13471

>Music is so haram guise!

>only a minority of scholars think otherwise!

>no proof of it's permissibility!

http://archive.is/wBHuf

https://islamictext.wordpress.com/music-azhar-fatwa/

https://unity1.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/a-detailed-fatwa-about-music-and-singing-by-sheikh-abdullah-al-judai/

http://www.islamawareness.net/Music/music_fatwa005.html

http://www.islamawareness.net/Music/music_fatwa002.html

http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_351_400/is_music_prohibited_in_islam.htm

http://aboutislam.net/counseling/counseling/ask-the-scholar/morals-manners/can-listen-western-music-songs/

https://youtu.be/T8K-uV7y5IQ

https://youtu.be/9FS02M55Ak4

http://www.islamawareness.net/Music/music_fatwa001.html

http://umma.ws/Fatwa/music/

http://www.imranhosein.org/faq/59-general/224-is-music-allowed-in-islam.html

https://islamictext.wordpress.com/on-music-and-singing-fatwa-by-shaykh-yusuf-al-qaradawi/

https://youtu.be/6PIrUc5FiBI

http://www.virtualmosque.com/islam-studies/sciences-of-quran-and-hadith/regarding-the-permissibility-of-music/

http://www.minhaj.org/english/tid/11459/Music-in-Islam.html

http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/is-music-halal-in-islam/

http://www.nu.or.id/sitemap/search

https://youtu.be/-_QAo195Pws http://tehreki-saut-ul-awliya.blogspot.com/2011/12/musicsingingdancingand-islam.html?m=1

http://www.questionsonislam.com/question/listen-music-permitted-or-haram-islam

https://youtu.be/YE0nS0W01LE

https://youtu.be/qcFF9F9N6RA

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmuslim/2008/09/if_we_become_independent_thinkers_we_can_make_a_contribution/

http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Islam_and_Music-by_Seyyed_Hossein_Nasr.aspx

http://www.musharrafhussain.com/2012/09/21/is-listening-to-music-permissible-halal/

http://www.shahbazcenter.org/is-music-haram.htm

http://freemuse.org/archives/554

http://www.quranforall.org/fatawaa/ivmusic.htm

c19284 No.13472

Even thousands of years ago, philosophers like Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates understood the tremendous influence music has on its listeners.

Over 2300 years ago, Aristotle spoke about music and its ability to communicate the emotional states of humans:

>"Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul…when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued withthe same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form."

Aristotle recognized that music communicates emotion, and that immoral music can shape our character for the worse. Plato also observed the effect that music had on society in his day and made this thought-provoking statement:

>"Any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole state, and ought to be prohibited. When modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the state always change with them"

Plato also spoke about the contribution music made to the moral decline of ancient Greece:

>"They were men of genius, but they had no perception of what was just and lawful in music…And by composing licentious works, and adding to them words as licentious, they have inspired the multitude with lawlessness and boldness, and made them fancy that they could judge for themselves about melody and song…in music there first arose the universal conceit of omniscience and general lawlessness; freedom came following afterwards, and men, fancying that they knew what they did not know, had no longer any fear, and the absence of fear begets shamelessness. For what is this shamelessness, which is so evil a thing, but the insolent refusal to regard the opinion of the better by reason of an over-daring sort of liberty?"

Socrates also extensively studied effects of music, recognizing its potential as an instrument of indoctrination and character development:

>"Musical training is a more potent instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the soul, on which they mightily fasten, imparting grace, and making the soul of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of him who is ill-educated ungraceful."

Early Christian philosopher Boethuis said this:

>"Music is part of us, and either ennobles or degrades our behavior."

Sixth-century Chinese philosopher Shu Ching agrees with Boethuis, saying;

>“for changing people’s manners and altering their customs there is nothing better than music.”

It is plain to see that these philosophers understood the immense power of music. But it is sad that most people today don't know about these observations made so long ago. It is crucial that we teach our youth about the power of music—especially as it is such a big part of their lives.

If these philosophers are correct, then our music is contributing to many of today's issues in our society. If music can shape our characters and passions—and therefore our morals and values—then these effects will also be noticeable in our relationships, our laws and government, and in our psychological challenges such as depression and anger.

Music, video games, and television all have a profound effect and will continue to shape society.

It is imperative that we wake up to some of the influences that are affecting our society for the worse, and take control of our own personal choices. The effect of music and media on the public is not a secret to music makers and those in the entertainment industry. They have spoken about it themselves.


c19284 No.13473

>>13472

Most people who listen to music do not consider the damage it is causing on their emotions, their ears, and even their souls. However, those in the music industry know exactly what it can do.

Jimi Hendrix, the guitar hero who wrote the hit song entitled "Voodoo Child," reveals the strength of music as a medium for setting atmosphere and indoctrinating minds:

>"Atmospheres are going to come through music…You can hypnotize people with the music and when you get them at their weakest point, you can preach into the subconscious what you want to say."

MTV, the most widely watched music channel on television made no bones about the fact that they were aiming at changing the way teenagers think. Consider this line from one of their advertisements:

>"MTV, aggressively reorganizing your brain."

This is why, even in the early years of MTV, they could confidently make this boast:

>"At MTV, we don't shoot for the 14yr olds, we own them."

MTV's founder, Bob Pitman, clearly understood the emotional power of the music-media combination to capture the minds of the teenagers:

>"The strongest appeal you can make is emotionally. If you can get their emotions going, make them forget their logic, you've got them."

As Plato ( and many Ulema) have noted, music is dangerous and must be prohibited.


a5d68d No.13475

>>13473

Plato and Aristotle were right. As were the Ulema (what they actually said/meant).

Certain modes of music are indeed mind altering and one should be careful what to listen to.

All of the scholars I listed are simply saying that some Music is good and okay to listen to regardless of instrument.

Good Music is Halal, Sinful Music is Haram. That is all they are saying.

Islam is a religion of moderation. Saying all Music is permissible is materialism. Saying all music is haram is ignorance.


2b2afa No.13506

>>13473

>As Plato ( and many Ulema) have noted, music is dangerous and must be prohibited.

Plato never prohibited music, quite the opposite. His only real problem was with music that to him wasn't particularly mathematical. And Platonic Muslim philosophers like Ibn Sina and al-Farabi wrote entire treatises on music as a branch of mathematics.


a5d68d No.13507

The day we forbid music is the day we reject our humanity.

The logic of those who forbid music is completely skewed anyway. They always permit nasheed after saying Music is Haram.


98f891 No.13510

>>13475

There is a great treatise by Shaykh Abd al-Ghani al-Nabulusi (a great Syrian Hanafi scholar of the 1600s) on this subject. It is folly to say all music is haram, just as it is to say that all music is halal. This must be judged on a case-by-case basis.


17e9ce No.13513

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>>13507

>The day we forbid music is the day we reject our humanity.

That'd be true if we didn't have Qur'an. Even /pol/ kuffar like to listen to nasheeds.


286179 No.13514

I listen to a lot of hip-hop. I have my reasons.

Unlike pop music at 120 bpm, most hip-hop falls in the beat range of 80-90 bpm. The slower beat allows the mind and body to relax into a slower groove, which makes both exercise and study much more productive.

Hip-hop, generally, has a message of tribalism and brotherhood. These are important messages for the Ulemma. Granted, not all hip-hop is that way. The more popular groups sing primarily about sex and materialism; but it's easy to avoid those artists.

With the impact music can have on all of us, then avoidance is a terrible thing. Learning to recognize what is and is not a good thing is an important part of our development. Music cannot be avoided - it is everywhere - but making wise choices in everything we do brings us closer to each other and to God.


a5d68d No.13515

>>13513

The Qur'an is recited in a Musical form. A very different one. But a Musical form nonetheless.


a5d68d No.13526

>>13514

Love that kind of hip hop. Materialistic ones are [foul language]ing trash for plebian hoodrats.

I like Metal that has heroic sort of overtones as well.

And nothing wrong with glorious Beethoven.

All these inspiring, virtuous and deep kinds of Music out there and people can dare say that it's ALL haram smh.


1521bb No.13533

>>13526

It has more to do with music maybe starting off as something innocent, but if we look at the state of a lot of music it's all filth pushing degenerate values, so it's easier to just blanket it all as haram.


2b2afa No.13535

>>13515

There are plenty of scholars who forbid musical instruments outright, but they don't forbid oral music, but because they forbid instruments they think the oral music they permit isn't still music.

Really, the debate is less about "music" as the term "museeqa" which didn't become that common in Arabic until the Greek translation movement and the era of philosophers like al-Farabi who wrote on "museeqa" doesn't really appear in the traditions. There are some narrations that forbid "ghina" and appear at least to forbid certain instruments (at least within certain contexts as there are some narrations where the Prophet may forbid drums and other narrations where he doesn't), but no narration forbids "music" per se. Scholars are really not divided on the issue of music really but the definition of music on the one hand and the role of specific instruments used in the production of music. If we consider nasheeds and Qur'anic recitation, which would fall not under the category of ghina but "surud" (a sacred choral rhythm) to be "music" according to the common definition, than all scholars permit music in that sense. The division is more on things like "is the violin or sitar okay?" or "are beat machines and drums okay?" things like that. Many scholars see no issue with these things provided they keep to certain rhythms that don't bring about worldly or sinful desires while other scholars may be more selective or restrictive.

I think once scholars realize that the issue is not "music" but the kind of musical production, the debate will get a lot easier and less confusing for the laity.


a5d68d No.13536

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>>13533

>It's too hard for me to use my brain and figure out what music is good and bad. So I'll just say it's all bad for everyone.


2b2afa No.13539

>>13514

>Hip-hop, generally, has a message of tribalism and brotherhood. These are important messages for the Ulemma. Granted, not all hip-hop is that way. The more popular groups sing primarily about sex and materialism; but it's easy to avoid those artists.

I love Hip Hop, but I do recognize that a good portion of it is just trash or too vulgar and aggressive for a Muslim to listen to and some of the better artists still express political or religious views that don't exactly fit with the orthodox muslim religious consciousness, even among some supposedly Muslim rappers.

But the arts of Hip Hop: rapping/emceeing, b-boying, deejaying, graffiti art, etc. I think are still valuable in and of themselves and can be utilized by Muslims just as any form of folk music has been used by Muslims in the past for their religious ends.

I also honestly think the tribal and less competitive quality of classic techno music has real value and when it is combined with certain elements of Hip Hop, I think there's a more positive result to be had


1521bb No.13545

>>13536

As in it easily degenerates into something bad, pretty sure a lot of scholars say instruments have been forbidden and theres a lot of evidence for forbidding it.


2b2afa No.13551

>>13545

>As in it easily degenerates into something bad

that doesn't necessarily it's being forbidden outright. Sufi musicians understood the delicate nature of music and the propensity for abuse but their solution was simply to regulate it by keeping it among students and teachers of the orders, which is why they could easily join their opponents in condemning some popular musicians without forbidding music, which they saw as a delicate yet powerful science.

>pretty sure a lot of scholars say instruments have been forbidden and theres a lot of evidence for forbidding it.

And a lot of scholars permit some or most musical instruments and say that the evidence in question must be better understood in context. It's better not to play e-mujtahid but to just decide which scholars you think are more educated on the matter and respect others' decisions.


a5d68d No.13553

>>13545

Theres a lot of evidence for it being permitted too. As I've already established in the OP.

With restrictions to that which encourages degenerate behavior, of course.

My advice, listen as you please, 'cause music is a gift from Allah (SWT), but at the same time, be an adult and watch what you listen to.


5a5d93 No.13560

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

So you guys think this is haram because it uses instruments, and electronic beats?


286179 No.13586

>>13560

Personally, I don't; but I am just one man's opinion. I studied music composition at University, so my opinion may be biased.


3e3fad No.15385

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Opinions on this song?


e2c949 No.16329

>>13535

>ghina

What about peaceful choral music tho?

That stuff is magnificent and classical, never saw choral music about "muh money" and "muh sex", one of my favorites was narrating the story of the little match girl, in german…Still haram?

Second question, what about solely instrumental music, and what about foreign languages?

From classical composers like Bach and Vivaldi to more recent composers like Weinberg, then we go to modern instrumenta like white noise, warm drone, IDM and eventually Post-Rock…what?

What about instruments Ulamma never heard of back in the day like Didgeridoo and what about Mongolian Throat Singing?


059115 No.16339

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>>13472

>reaching his filthy appendages towards video games

Oy!

The concentration camps still stand, don't make me renovate them.


ac39a9 No.16343

Does anyone have that webm of the ISIS killing compilation? I only ask because it had a neat song.


a61782 No.17719

>>13533

You cannot tell me that Mussorgsky and Rimsky-Korsakov and Tchaikovsky and Wagner and Debussy and Stravinsky and Dvorak are at all encouraging degeneracy, they encourage empirical nationalism, faith to god (yes the christian god, but the values of Islam are still mostly present), crushing degenerates and celebrating culture and tradition.

If you are talking about most modern music, especially hip-hop or generic wishy washy pretty girl with vibrato and loads of effects, or black american grunting through autotune, then I would agree and mos likely want to censor that. Are the hymns and music of Sufism not in accordance with what Islam should be about?


95552c No.17771

>>17719

I couldn't agree more.




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