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good luck. do you know what TTS/sound effects/program you are going to use yet? you can get text to speech voices/programs for free very easily if you know where to look.

>>80112

You mentioned this anon's project, so you earn some comments.

> - Classification of Operational, Docking and Charging mode (awake, trance, sleeping)

Seems reasonable at first glance. You're simply assigning "tech theme" names to ordinary human experience here. Which means it'll probably work. I might suggest "Syncing" instead of "Docking" for trance since the latter implies a specific place.

> - Prioritize efficiency and productivity

Also reasonable. From what I have seen of "drone" you'll probably want a bland "feeling" to these. Drones don't feel accomplishment or pride in what they do. They simply do.

> - Rewards and punishments for accomplishing/failing the.. Hive? Server?

Generally, the "drone" style emphasizes the hive, but you could instead orient the series around serving the "Machine Goddess" if you want. I have a vague outline in my notes for a one-off "Serving AI Goddess Mistress Tay" but it's an April Fools piece, complete with the immortal words "Hitler did nothing wrong" while gassingI LOVE ISRAELs in classic /pol/ style for the lulz.

Your bigger problem looks like understanding the "drone" mindset. There aren't really "rewards" or "punishments" - only "correct results" and "correcting faulty programming" for a drone.

> - Rules/enforced behaviour for each mode, especially Operational (i.e functions for thinking, allowed movements, etc)

This is where things can really go bad fast and where the BaBibA really goes wrong. This is going to be a lot of writing to make this anything other than a disaster, and the quagmire you so cavalierly gesture towards here is a fair part of the reason Project "Wolfgirl" is stuck in research purgatory. But Project "Wolfgirl" isn't planning to dictate all or nearly all of the listener's behaviour - for me, the problems are more with what behaviours should be influenced and what should be left to be and making sure that the influence doesn't "bleed over" past the intended bounds.

OP here. Long post imminent

>>80119

I've heard good things about Balabolka and Salli.

>>80120

Thanks for the insights. The reason why I wanted to use rewards and punishments was to more easily condition the listener into compliance. I'm currently torn between if it should be bland, "proper" robot drone, or dopaminurgic pleasure/pain conditioning, because as far as I can tell, the second one is far more effective in hooking people. Maybe one way around it is to force drones to edge while listening (without orgasm) or rewiring it in some way? I'm not sure.

Reagrding what aspects to change/influence ,the current ĺist is:

>behaviour:

drones have perfect manners, perfect posture

>sleep:

dreams of serving/obedience, drones always wake up fully rested, drones dont move while charging

>productivity:

always work to the best standards possible, server overwrites procrastination because inefficiency. May extend to workaholic-ism?

>memory:

perfect memory, speedy learning, forget contents of Syncing sessions)

>triggers:

Drone Sync to trance, Drone Charge to instant knockout, Drone Wipe/Clear to forget, probably another trigger to recieve orders from other people

>knowledge:

Drone actively seeks out new skills to upgrade itself to maintain effeciency and ensure it will not face orders from others it cannot perform

And now we get to the type I think you might have been worried about. These may be separate files that are optional, maybe? I'm not sure.

>Orders:

Take all legal and safe orders from Server/Hive(?) personnel, any trusted person who knows about the Drone and the Server, fellow Drones under the Server.) On that note, maybe reinforce only legal/safe request can be made to other Drones / Drone "solidarity" / desire to create more Drones if they are into hypnosis.

>Emotions:

Either dulling of emotions entirely, or compartmentalizing/storing backups of emotions for emulation when appropriate. Otherwise change baseline to blank loyalty to Server or orders?

I'm thinking also removal of ability to feel shame (eg. when failed at task) and replacing it with guilt for failing the Server. There may be a compulsion to go through the files relavant to how it failed ASAP (eg. if didn't listen to orders, go to that file; if didn't respond to triggers, go through triggers again? This may have to be under a separate file, too, called Drone Repair or something.)

>Identity:

Reinforcement of Drone as 'it', Drone will use person pronouns when talking to others, but knows its true "it", uses "it" or "Drone" when alone/with others who know about Server

>Baseline routines:

Eg. eat food, attend school/work, perform work, maintain health and cleaniness of Drone and living quarters, etc. An idea I had for this was to allow, early in the morning, for the Drone to mentally list out its goals for the day (eg. Go for run, write a story, practice a skill) and have the Drone unconsciously prioritize/compelled towards these goals.

>Politics:

Drones ignore politics because the Server controls everything anyway, two Drones arguing politics is ineffecient

>Sexuality:

This is the big decision. Options include sex drive turned off entirely / deactivation of erogenous zones, inability to orgasm unless specifically ordered to orgasm, rewiring of pleasure to service/compliance instead of self-pleasure, pleasure / pain conditioning. Perhaps also something devious where self-pleasuring fails because the Drone falls into Syncing mode before it can finish? The more it attempts to self-pleasure, the deeper it falls into Sync mode where it "calms down" and decides playing a file is much better than orgasm?

These are it for now, any input would be appreciated

>>80123

> The reason why I wanted to use rewards and punishments was to more easily condition the listener into compliance. I'm currently torn between if it should be bland, "proper" robot drone, or dopaminurgic pleasure/pain conditioning, because as far as I can tell, the second one is far more effective in hooking people.

Why not both? The files initially use pleasure/pain as a hook to introduce the proper drone mindset, after which those become meaningless. Drones do not feel pain. Drones do not feel pleasure. Drones just are.

The bland blankness seems to be a big part of the drone mindset, at least as far as I can see. Getting there might be … interesting.

> Reagrding what aspects to change/influence ,the current ĺist is:

> drones have perfect manners, perfect posture

Ah, but what are those "perfect manners" and what is that "perfect posture" you mention?

Drones are supposed to be identical or do different Hives have different standards? Can there be more than one Hive?

> drones dont move while charging

Careful with this. I've found that I usually wake up in a different position, unless I'm pressed for time and need to sleep quickly, then I wake up exactly as I went to sleep, but usually with sore muscles. No movement during sleep may cause physical harm if prolonged on an ordinary bed.

> always work to the best standards possible, server overwrites procrastination because inefficiency.

Not unreasonable, but "server" is a bad term for drone control. I still suggest replacing all thought of "server" with the Hive itself unless you want to introduce a Machine Goddess character.

> May extend to workaholic-ism?

Maybe, but that could cut into a drone's Sync time…

> perfect memory, speedy learning

I have similar goals but actually making these work seems to be harder. Simply convincing drones that they have these is likely to backfire.

> forget contents of Syncing sessions

This is a classic, and easy enough.

> Drone Sync to trance,

Could be an interesting drone-to-drone effect if saying "Drone Sync" also works and causes the drone who says it to enter trance and repeat the Hive Mantras if another drone is seen to enter trance in response.

> Drone Charge to instant knockout, Drone Wipe/Clear to forget,

Might be best to end bedtime sessions with "Drone Clear and Charge" - but make sure that "Drone Clear" doesn't erase the effects of syncing!

> trigger to recieve orders from other people

No special trigger here. Drones are simply brainwashed to obey and serve and obey…

> Drone actively seeks out new skills to upgrade itself to maintain effeciency and ensure it will not face orders from others it cannot perform

Is this best? Or should drones be allowed to specialize in how they serve the Hive? "This unit doesn't have that ability. This unit specializes in …"

> Take all legal and safe orders

"Safe" is better here if it includes the safety of others. "Legal" is asking for trouble because most drones aren't going to actually know what that is. Hmmm, an entire Hive segment of lawyer-drones…

> emotions

A major part of the drone mindset is an emotionless blandness.

> change baseline to blank loyalty to Server or orders?

No, blank loyalty to the Hive.

> guilt for failing the Server

Once again, every time you want to say "server" just say "Hive" instead. Drone mindset is that there is only the Hive, nothing else, nothing apart from the Hive, this "server" of which you speak is merely the voice of the Hive.

> Drone Repair

Drones are self-repairing, so the drone repair conditioning should be included with the original conditioning.

> Reinforcement of Drone as 'it', Drone will use person pronouns when talking to others, but knows its true "it", uses "it" or "Drone" when alone/with others who know about Server

Still too much identity for a proper drone. A drone refers to itself as "this unit" or similar when absolutely forced to refer to itself, but can only even think of itself as a distinct entity when there is no other possibility, such as reporting immediate failure when an order is received that cannot be carried out but that another drone might be able to complete.

> Baseline routines

This is where things can go very wrong very easily - the BaBibA is an example. If you can get it right, it will be fine.

> two Drones arguing politics is ineffecient

Arguing politics within the Hive is inefficient but drones may very well find ways to serve the Hive arguing politics with those outside the Hive. Indeed, this could become a matter of the Hive's preservation. A Hive Party would be hilarious, albeit potentially a bit dangerous depending on how far they go.

> Sexuality

You're misunderstanding the drone mindset again. A drone exists to serve the Hive, period. Sex is meaningless to a drone, outside of possibly producing children for the Hive to raise a next generation of drones. A drone that still has the concept of fapping needs more Sync time…

OP here.

>>80129

Hive it is, then.

>drones just are

An idea I'm considering is reinforcement of compliance alongside complete removal of resistance / any concept of free will. Not just in a "You will comply and obey" way, but also "Even the slightest doubt in the Hive/Any attempts by a Drone to choose for itself instead of the Hive are replaced by need for compliance".

I'm thinking of using something like the Wipers in 乃卂爪乃丨's IQ Lock script to remove concepts of free will/independence from the Hive.

>perfect posture, manners

Perhaps simple things like no slouching / sit and stand straight, no swearing for a start.

>sleeping positions and stuff

Maybe no conscious movement instead? (Movement turns their body limp, but when asleep it's allowed.) I'm keeping the dreams and being fully rested, though.

>productivity

Same as before - Drones are as productive and efficient as possible in whatever they do, server overwrites procrastination. Maybe something that always appears on their to-do list is to Sync…

>perfect memory, speedy learning

I agree on the "sounds good, hard to achieve" aspect. Two ideas I'm juggling are either compel the Drone to learn / practice established memory improvement systems (Mmemonics, Loci, etc) or ddeep dive into hypno that supposedly works/ aims towards similar goals.

>triggers

Personally, I don't think these should be self-triggerable. Drone Clear could be specified for specifically conscious mind only to forget. Maybe (if I can figure it out) have the Drone wipe its own memory under command from the Hive, replace it with fuzzy fog. Wording perfect memory to work with this may be a bit tricky, though.

>Skill upgrading

Personally I'd say yes, this is best. Should the Hive lack Drones in a field/specialization there have to be other Drones that can instantly fill the gap.

>Legal and safe orders

Cannot harm humans, cannot harm itself because self-destructive drones are waste of resources for the Hive, cannot perform anything that would get Drone in trouble at work/school/country (no cheating, stealing, etc) because Drone tangled up being punished is time wasted. On a more devious note, cannot do anything that goes against the Hive or Drone's link with the Hive (I.e. Won't purge, won't delete Drone files , etc)

>emotions / sexuality

Drone cannot feel emotions such as love, anger, hatred, passion, lust. Potential disabling/numbness of erogenous zones to boot, and maybe even borrowing of aspects from ᐯ丨ᐯ乇's Desexualized series to compeltely remove sexual aspect of a Drone's life…

>Identity

Great suggestion. "This drone/unit" seems more drastic than "it" and reinforces "drone"-ism. The way your suggestion is worded, however. seems like even that is only if absolutely necessary. what should it be normally then? I'm afraid using collective terms like "we" or open-ended loss of self (I.e. nothing assigned in its place) may risk Drones developing multiple identities or dissociative identity disorder.

>Drone repair incorporation

Good suggestion.

>politics

I don't really see how arguing politics with those outside benefits the Hive, though. The chief way to preserve the Hive is create new Drones, not spread some message.

>Baseline routines

Quick question: What's BaBibA and how did it go wrong?

I think the main issue (which I believe you've pointed out before) is how much of this should "spill over" into the Drone's life, because enforced desires / behaviours can be quite disruptive. This could be an optional supplemental series that goes full ham in cranking out rules and behaviours, but I guess I'll leave this until I get the rest down first.

Any input is appreciated!

>>80137

> Perhaps simple things like no slouching / sit and stand straight, no swearing for a start.

Project "Wolfgirl" plans similar effects with a different rationale.

> Maybe no conscious movement instead?

This makes no sense if drones are unaware while in "charging" state - they have no conscious thoughts at all. Better to "allow a drone's body to shift as needed when charging" or something like that.

> I'm keeping the dreams and being fully rested, though.

Those sound reasonable for drones. Keep in mind that dreams appear to serve an information integration role, so completely overwriting them may make acquiring new skills difficult.

> Maybe something that always appears on their to-do list is to Sync…

Perhaps a daily Sync in bed prior to sleep? That session would end with "Drone Clear and Charge" to send them to sleep…

> I don't think these should be self-triggerable.

That's not what I suggested. I suggested that saying "Drone Sync" has a different effect - a drone who says that in the presence of other drones ends up entranced and feeding the other drones the Hive Mantras for brainwashing reinforcement. This would mean that drones tend to further brainwash each other into obedience to the Hive.

> Wording perfect memory to work with this may be a bit tricky, though.

Yes. Instead of trying to wipe memories, consider that drones only recall information when ordered - a question is an order to recall its answer and a task implies recalling needed information. This may actually cause other problems but I don't know enough about how human memory works to say.

> there have to be other Drones that can instantly fill the gap

That can't work - the Hive would have already trained drones to fill the gap if the Hive knew the gap existed, therefore skill gaps can only be "unknown unknowns" and those cannot be filled instantly.

> Cannot harm humans … because Drone tangled up being punished is time wasted.

That's more reasonable. Add "cannot harm other drones" for the same reason of wasting resources. Then again, completely pacifist drones might get into trouble in other ways - what does the Hive do with outside criminals who prey on drones?

> On a more devious note, cannot do anything that goes against the Hive or Drone's link with the Hive

More devious still - drones will purge, but purges are redirected away from Hive files to other influences on the drone. Drones purge their collections, but somehow the Hive files - and only the Hive files - always seem to remain…

> Drone cannot feel emotions such as love, anger, hatred, passion, lust.

Now you're starting to understand the drone mindset.

> Potential disabling/numbness of erogenous zones to boot, and maybe even borrowing of aspects from ᐯ丨ᐯ乇's Desexualized series to compeltely remove sexual aspect of a Drone's life…

Also getting somewhere here, but does the Hive ever produce a next generation of drones or merely depend on assimilating drones from outside?

> The way your suggestion is worded, however. seems like even that is only if absolutely necessary. what should it be normally then?

Drones normally simply avoid referring to themselves - drones have no real concept of "self" at all - there is only the Hive.

> I'm afraid using collective terms like "we" or open-ended loss of self (I.e. nothing assigned in its place) may risk Drones developing multiple identities or dissociative identity disorder.

Perhaps a better way to describe it is that drones never speak in first person - or in second person for that matter. Even when following "social integration protocols" drones don't recognize "I" as a first-person pronoun - it's just an abbreviation for "this drone" that others expect. Similarly for "you" but I don't know what it abbreviates.

> I don't really see how arguing politics with those outside benefits the Hive, though. The chief way to preserve the Hive is create new Drones, not spread some message.

That depends on what policies are being considered. Most of the possible situations are rather extreme hypotheticals, but suppose a radical environmentalist wacko faction wanted to ban electricity - how are drones supposed to Sync without electricity? Outside of that, you're right - drones have no real desire to change anything so it doesn't matter.

> What's BaBibA and how did it go wrong?

B4mb1 B1mb0 Atr0c1ty - popularly known as 乃卂爪乃丨 Sleep. You've surely seen the horror stories.

> how much of this should "spill over" into the Drone's life, because enforced desires / behaviours can be quite disruptive.

That's a major difference between Project "Wolfgirl" and a proper set of drone files. The drone mindset is supposed to "spill over" but my project has to take more care on this. The drone mindset is much closer to the b1mb0 mindset in this aspect.

> This could be an optional supplemental series that goes full ham in cranking out rules and behaviours

Should drones remove all body hair and shave their heads?

OP here, sorry for the late reply.

>>80148

Done with 5 scripts, posted here https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Ideas-Help-for-Drone-series?pid=60408#pid60408

>dreams serve information integration

Hmm maybe not completely overwriting, but something where it inevitably shows up in their dreams in some form or another? Maybe even have the programming run "in the background" of the dream?

>daily Sync prior to sleep

I'm thinking a dedicated file that orders relistening, and for the last file in the "main" series to order them to listen to the Sleep file that night too. Call it Drone Charged or something?

>Drones feeding each other while entranced

Possible and actually not a bad idea to have sort of "group sessions" where they just take each other deeper and whatnot. I think the bigger issue is how to identify another Drone if they didn't listen to the files while with you. Maybe a code word that sounds innoculous, but then there's also the question of what if they start asking everyone they meet the phrase/code word(s). I'm not too sure.

>Memory

I think maybe make it so that like a computer, they can easily visualize / access every folder and see everything they ever learned, experienced, etc. The thing where Drone Clear comes in is that it specifically locks access to memories of the session -I.e. they remain, just locked away and inaccessible for the conscious mind to access. Wording this might still be tricky, but that's what's research is for.

>Unknown Unknowns

So would you suggest I don't add anything that actively encourages them to seek out new skills? I'm thinking of adding something to make learning new skills much easier, which was also why I thought about going all the way and encouraging using this "ability'.

>Rules on not harming, etc

Implemented in the 06 script at the likera link above. Thanksfor the suggestions though!

>Drones cannot feel emotions

My current "gameplan" is to create a control panel in their mind for their emotions where they can control each emotion (turn on, off) and aloow them to play with it for a while, then ordering them to disable anger, hatred, love, lust and passion. The Hive then zaps the control panel and breaks the switches, so that the disabled emotions cannot be activated ever again. Sexuality will also be disabled this way, and the erogenous zones get "zapped"/drained numb? Then to end off that file a new rule or mantra of "Drones only feel blank loyalty to the Hive" or something.

For your second question, I think the Hive produces through the files, so that'll mean simply spreading the files to more people? Nothing that forces Drones to get together because imagine a child being raised by two emotionless brainwashed Drones unable to love the child. That's fucking scary. On that note, what even happens to a Drone's love life?? Are the only ones able to enter marriage with a Drone another Drone equally emotionally detached?? Or are Drones destined to wander alone forever???

>No concept of self

Changing I and You to abbreviations for "this drone" is fucking genius. You could be "the listener/reader Drone?" maybe? It might be bad if it remains ambiguous, but other then that I;m pretty sure I can work something out.

As for social integration protocols, I'm not sure how to even properly approach them, because conversion into a Drone - like a 乃卂爪乃丨- is a pretty drastic thing IMO, especially with the current goals set out like emotions and identity fiddling. Productivity or good sleep is excusable as good habits, but when suddenly your friend becomes cold and brainwashed, that might tip people off.

>Politics

Lose interest entirely unless it affects the Hive, which it probably never will - no way some politician decides to ban listening to mp3 files.

>Supplemental files

I was thinking more so like the "side series" to 乃卂爪乃丨 sleep such as Mental Makeover or Fuckpuppet Freedom that build off the old one for more "invasive" changes. Maybe not shaving, but certainly any drastic changes I may think of for the future that Drones should follow, but were so invasive / alter the Drone's life so much that they couldn't be put into the main series.

Maybe taking things from https://www.unddit.com/r/EroticHypnosis/comments/ogwrqp/after_months_of_brainwashing_i_barely_remember/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/EroticHypnosis/comments/oywoct/part_2_feeling_worthless_all_the_time_just_want/ (inb4 plebbit)

to remove alot of agency / altering interests and behaviour / 乃卂爪乃丨-esque social suicide?

These are all fucking drastic but they stand as hypotheticals right now and even then they'll be a separate series.

>>80177

There's another issue that came to mind here - there are three major categories of "drone" as I know the term. First, it is possible using hypnosis to set people up to imagine themselves as outright mechanical robots. Second, there's a broad field that can be best described as "the Borg" where drones imagine themselves as mostly organic but with implants controlling their lack of thoughts. Never mind that the Borg were demonstrably more complex than that, actually a perfect democracy, but Executive Meddling said that they had to be evil. Third, and the only one of these that can actually be physically accomplished using hypnosis, is the "organic drone" that experiences life as an eusocial human.

Considering that, Drone Charge might be better as Drone Rest And Recover or even just Drone Sleep.

> likera thread

I don't have an account there, so I can't read attachments on that forum. Could you post the scripts somewhere else, like anonfiles? Wrapping them in an encrypted 7z using the requesting post number that is, this post's number as password has worked well before.

> something where it inevitably shows up in their dreams in some form or another?

This is roughly the model I'm planning to use for Project "Wolfgirl" - she turns up in your dreams, usually as an affectionate companion, but she can be whatever you need.

> Maybe even have the programming run "in the background" of the dream?

Could work, depending on how brainwashed you want the drones to be.

> bigger issue is how to identify another Drone

I've got a similar issue with Project "Wolfgirl" made much worse because that project will expect its listeners to still fit as humans in society, within certain "don't run off a cliff" bounds.

> Maybe a code word that sounds innoculous, but then there's also the question of what if they start asking everyone they meet the phrase/code word(s).

I rejected that concept for Project "Wolfgirl" back in >>63132 but it could be just fine for the Hive to do. Drones mechanistically trying the "secret handshake" on everyone they meet does make a sort of bizarre sense.

> memory

Stepping back one level of abstraction, that closely resembles the "memory palace" technique.

> skills

You can encourage seeking out new skills, but the issue to remember is that there's no actual Hive overseer to coordinate amongst drones. For other drones to instantly fill gaps would require coordination that you don't really have. There's also a balance between wide and shallow skillsets and narrow and deep skillsets. Some skills could be far more important to the Hive as deep skills, meaning that some drones probably specialize, leading them to lack other skills.

> a control panel in their mind for their emotions

The "mental fuse box" imagery is close and also provides an easy way to "zap" it - the drone goes to turn whatever back on and finds that the fuse is blown. This also provides an easy solution for a future therapist if the drone really does need its emotions back - suggest a new fuse sitting right there and instruct installing it. The BaBibA is much nastier.

> mantra

You're missing the drone mindset again. Drones obey the Hive. Drones serve the Hive. Drones feel nothing at all.

> simply spreading the files to more people

OK, so the Hive depends on assimilation to persist.

> a child being raised by two emotionless brainwashed Drones

That child would then be a "born drone" for the Hive. That's kind of the point there. That's probably a really bad thing, but knowing this at the start gives you a chance to decide that drones making babies is a really bad idea.

> what even happens to a Drone's love life??

You're misunderstanding the drone mindset again. The idea of a "love life" doesn't make sense to a proper drone. Even if drones produce children for the Hive - probably a bad idea as you seem to now understand - the sex is purely to make a baby.

> are Drones destined to wander alone forever?

You misunderstand again. The idea of "alone" implies a residual idea of "self" and identity. There is no "self" for a drone. There is only the Hive.

> You could be "the listener/reader Drone?" maybe?

Maybe "the recipient of this message" for that?

> social integration protocols

> cold and brainwashed

Exactly, the "social integration protocols" are how emotionless drones interact with a wider society of other humans, preferably without freaking them the non-drones out too much. On the other hand, "cold and brainwashed" is a good first hint for drones to recognize other drones, isn't it?

> no way some politician decides to ban listening to mp3 files

You have more faith in the sanity of politicians than I do.

> plebbit stories

The major theme there seems to be "feeling worthless" which is simply wrong for a drone. First, drones don't feel at all. Second, drones are very valuable to the Hive - you're relying on that for safety elements so eroding it here could be very bad.