>>80445
Same anon as earlier here.
> And trying to sell this as actual hypnosis is harmful because it's obviously a cheap rethoric trick, which in return makes me think that if that is what the tist relies on to make her stuff work then she probably sucks.
That isn't quite what I said. I said that I wanted incontrovertible proof and not something that felt like I was playing along.
The argument that suggestions that just feel like you're playing along is hypnosis are valid, particularly - obviously - when it comes to behavioural suggestions.
I've had periods of listening to a particular tist where I've done stuff that felt like "playing along" and, when I later stopped listening, would admit I wouldn't (or even couldn't) have done that without the involvement of hypnosis.
Extending the duration of chastity streaks far longer than I've managed with willpower alone is a good example. Repeating mantras is a smaller example and, if made to do while hypnotised, I now use as a good yardstick that the hypnotist is effective on me.
All I was really saying here was that initially I wanted something that my mind couldn't rationalise away and "felt" like I was definitely, absolutely, no questions asked hypnotised.
> Generally the immersion shatters when any kind of physical suggestion is spoken which has no effect. Your eyelids are getting heavy… no they are not. They never are.
This doesn't necessarily mean that much.
For years I got frustrated because files that confidently told you your dick was getting hard would do nothing for me (and I *love* the idea of one's arousal being flicked on and off like a switch by the hypnotist).
The tist in NYC told me it was a common suggestion people stick in recordings and not all that effective of one.
Instead, I have *much* better luck when the suggestion is framed around increased arousal and no mention of how hard or soft your dick is.
But the point I'm making here is that one type of suggestion not working is not an indicator that you can't be hypnotised.
I thought I'd never have a HFO years ago and now every time I have one and wake up with a soaked dick I find myself debating whether it "counts"!
Talk about trying to rationalise away results!
I am fairly confident that visual hallucination suggestions will never work on me. But I still know I can definitely be hypnotised.
Physical sensations can often be harder for people to get results with than things like behavioural etc.
A good hypnotist should be framing the eyelids suggestion as something like "you may notice your eyelids are feeling heavy" rather than stating that they are.
This gives you an out to not be dwelling on it if they aren't.
Regardless, it's not something to be bothered by. Just go along with it and if they say they're heavy but they're not, just pretend they are and close them when they tell you to close them.
> When I check out a new file and it develops into your usual relaxation induction I already go "not that shit again",
If IRL hypnosis (or even a live online session) is out, then all I can offer is advice for recordings and my advice here would be not to care.
I know you say you can't will yourself not to think this way. So instead reframe thinking about what you want to get out of a hypnotist session.
Say you were listening to 5h@k71 and you want to experience hypnotically compelled chastity (I know you say the hypnosis itself is the link, so just humour me for this example.)
From what you've said so far, you're focused on the fact that it's not working and you're thinking about that every time you go under.
So stop trying to get it to work. Stop wanting results.
Instead, treat each session as your time to relax for the day.
I would imagine even for someone like you, a progressive relaxation induction still helps you relax.
Go along with it and if you find yourself thinking that a suggestion that your eyes are heavy isn't working, be cool with it and make that thought your cue to pretend that they are.
Think to yourself "this is how I'm going to spend 40 minutes relaxing today. Anything extra that happens is just a bonus."
Anticipation can be the enemy of results.