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0b0772 No.71880

Is there anywhere to read about people that misuse hypnosis and maybe how they did it. I'm not so much interested in actually committing crimes myself, but the topic interests me.

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0f3254 No.71908

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262440 No.71914

(This is from a tape that the toybox killer played for his captives,)

After we get completely through with you, you’re gonna be drugged up real heavy, with a combination of Sodium Pentothal and Phenobarbital.

They are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely susceptible to hypnosis, autohypnosis and hypnotic suggestion. You’re gonna be kept drugged a couple of days, while I play with your mind. By the time I get through brainwashing you, you’re not gonna remember a fuckin’ thing about this little adventure.

You won’t remember this place, us, or what has happened to you.

There won’t be any DNA evidence, because you’ll be bathed, and both holes between your legs will be thoroughly flushed out. You’ll be dressed, sedated, and turned loose on some country road, bruised, heh, sore all over, but nothing that won’t heal up in a week or two.

The thought of being brainwashed may not be appealing to you, but we been doin’ it a long time and it works.

​-David Parker Ray, Toybox Killer

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ab8b39 No.71923

>>71914

>They are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely susceptible to hypnosis, autohypnosis and hypnotic suggestion.

That's not what hypnotic drugs do, in the pharmacological sense of the term, lol.

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558aa4 No.71924

>>71880

usually you just hear about people who "misuse hypnosis" by being bad at it and charging people money for nothing.

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ab8b39 No.71925

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mV9tEztB88

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b60943 No.71930

>>71925

Great find. And that's a pretty long list of charges. Clearly serial behavior, which means he was able to pull it off on many different victims before being caught. I'm actually impressed by how much he got away with, he was clearly skilled at hypno.

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262440 No.71993

>>71925

God that's hot.

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9c07ab No.72011

>>71925

That is such BS that he could be charged with a crime. He was just talking to them. He did not physically restrain or drug them. He didn't do anything that the victims didn't ask him to do. He should have gotten a better lawyer!

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b60943 No.72012

>>72011

This is such a bad take, you can only have this opinion if you also believe hypnosis is no more than just a fake fantasy and can't be real.

He coerced the women while they where in a highly suggestible and agreeable state, and even used amnesia suggestions so they couldn't reassess the situation after waking up. Their consent isn't worth shit when they literally can't think for themselves. It's obviously rape, just because he got the desired effects without drugs doesn't excuse the action.

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9c07ab No.72015

>>72012

What about a guy who is just a "sweet-talker" a charmer?. And convinces women to have sex with him? Has he committed it a crime if they regret it later? They say nobody can be hypnotized, unless they actually want to.

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b60943 No.72037

>>72015

The difference is: in the scenario you described, the women consciously make the choice when they're convinced.

>They say nobody can be hypnotized, unless they actually want to.

This is true. But you have to admit it's a gradual process of losing conscious awareness, and once you're under deeply enough, you can be made to do things you otherwise wouldn't do.

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0b0772 No.72040

>>72037

Really depends on what you define as "against your will" with hypnotism.

The hypnotist just needs to call it relaxation, meditation, a form of yoga, etc to trick the victim into a trance.

There's also conversational/covert hypnosis where the victim just has to listen to you. Can you still be like lawyer guy and rape clients and give them amnesia after? I don't know. The book I've read has made it seem like you can give "stop smoking" or "be happy" commands through stories while some internet articles say it can put you into a complete state of suggestibility.

The confusion rapid induction techniques are also something I've heard of but never seen

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ab8b39 No.72196

>>72011

>He should have gotten a better lawyer!

I nominate you. You seem quite knowledgeable on this subject and can adequately prove to the court that hypnosis is fake and gay.

But really, there is audio and video evidence of the guy putting her under, including relaxation inductions, countdowns, finger snaps, suggestions, the works. All the prosecutor has to do is call in a hypnotherapist as an expert witness, have him watch the full video, and ask him if that's hypnosis (I bet that's exactly what the prosecutor did), which he will say yes. It's so obvious that a layman, even an ordinary person who gets his idea of hypnosis from cartoons and Hollywood, will tell you the lawyer is using hypnosis to rape her.

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21ce5f No.72216

>>72011

Yes, and people who prey on suicidal teens online and encourage suicidal teens to kill themselves are "just talking to them".

And yet that's a crime in several states too. Who'd a thought manipulating a vulnerable person into an act they wouldn't consent to in a lucid state would ever be illegal?!

Absolute weapons grade shit take you shat out there.

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21ce5f No.72217

>>72015

Depends what he says. If he lies in order to obtain consent that wouldn't otherwise be forthcoming, then it's rape by deception, another actual crime.

Oh look, another crime committed with "just words"!

Just stop digging.

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21ce5f No.72218

>>72040

The way I've heard it before is you can't be made to do anything you don't want to do - but you could maybe have your sense of what you want altered while you're more suggestible in hypnosis.

Or that might be bullshit. But would explain how he pulled it off.

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0b0772 No.72265

>>72218

The "You can't make someone do something they don't want to" is an often repeated myth to make people think that hypnosis is 100% safe and can't be abused.

You can make someone do whatever you want given the right suggestions. If you don't want to be caught like the lawyer, be more creative than "suck my dick and forget."

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21ce5f No.72266

>>72265

" to make people think that hypnosis is 100% safe and can't be abused."

Not what I said. Quite the opposite in fact.

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9cae93 No.77218

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6d78f5 No.77227

New age gurus use hypnotic states to sell you spiritual awakening, which is generally a good thing but they also ensure their own aggrandizement/enrichment is part of it.

True story this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHPf9gdmH5k

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ecc318 No.77960

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Well shit, I guess it's real.

https://nitter.database.red/OblivionBoi/status/1457838681897701382?s=20

I am interested in mind manipulation. I read "the brain that changes itself" and realised that one could potentially turn themselves into a superhuman. Kinda like a computer where you can tweak the OS (I would say Linux but Ive never used it, I just think you can do that". So yeah, mkultra, Scientology "help", monarch, the lot. On my research journey I naturally came across your place, and while I don't know if it's real Hypno or just fetish (or both), I know you guys have info.

This was the last nail. I watched the linked video, and I warn you, it is kinda fucked, and I could feel it. Not necessarily the actual fetish stuff, but I could noticeably tell I was really dazed and walking around, kept thinking of bees being smoked. Thing is I didn't even get into it. I did the breathing, looked at the spiral, drew the line with the voice being mine though, I know when shit gets screwy. Anyway, sorry for rant.

I guess this thread is for the discussion of alternative, non fetish Hypno and also real non larp science/methods, tricks. I notice pictures dont work (what's up with that?), So my reddit is @voxxe

reddit/voxxe

For in depth discussion and sharing of pictures. I don't have much to offer, at most I am on your level.

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ecc318 No.77961

>>77960

Sorry op? Thought I was making a thread. Should I make the thread? It would be rude to turn yours sorry.

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d01f46 No.78413

Wasn't there a VICE video on the subject? Wasn't there a VICE video on the subject? I can't find it anymore, could someone post it?

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