/hypno/ - Hypnochan

Unfortunately for you, hypnosis is mere guided meditation. No hypnotist can control your mind, no hypnotist can induce mind control nor force anything on you. So its meditation where you allow yourself to feel those things, many are not aware that such feelings require no actual hypnotist, and can be induced through meditation. So hypnotists are merely 'meditation guides.'

>>60104

Hypnosis requires a desire to submit. As I discovered after a similar length of time resisting it, there is no balls-to-the-wall towel-snapping alpha male way to hand over control of your mind.

When someone is trying to persuade you of something, or maybe to take their side or to sympathise with them, they first get you to make a small concession, something really tiny and insignificant on its own. $4m4n7h4 B4nd13r is pretty good at this. The series which must not be named (seriously, don't ask) also has elements of this during the induction. You first need to accept relaxing as pleasurable or desirable. Relaxing sounds meaningless because it's such a common word, but it's an essential component of trance. Hypnosis is something like sleep without sleep, a lucid dream with only part of your brain in a state of shutdown.

"Tricking yourself" - maybe. But you need to remove the "myself" from the equation. Three is a crowd - it should just be your naked brain and the hypnotic suggestions taking the place of any self-talk or cogitation you might have while fully awake and conscious. The desire for control, wanting to say "but…", needing to be able to slam the breaks - these are all impediments to trance. You would benefit from finding a file you would never object to even if it had unstoppable and permanent effects; finding a hypnotist you like and trust would also help. Perhaps trusting a hypnotist is where tricking yourself would really come into play, well before you even listen to a file.

>>60105

They know this already. The goal is to experience the feelings others get when being hypnotized instead of the mind preventing those from happening by continuously reinforcing the thought that "it's all bullshit anyway" and taking it not working as prove for these thoughts (kind of like a self-fullfilling prophecy).

>>60104

Your mind is in some sort of trance almost all the time, it's a normal behavior of the brain to "switch off" and automate repetitive or just habitually done tasks like walking long distances, washing your hands or locking the door when leaving home which sometimes goes as far as to end in an amnesia because you were not aware enough to recognize actually executing the action.

Another example for more vivid trances are daydreams or very extensive fantasies or maybe even getting a hint of a smell by just thinking about it, for instance when watching a video which evokes memories of that smell.

Many of these effects work the same (possibly stronger) in hypnosis but with the benefit of being able to enjoy the experience someone else has crafted through your own mind's interpretation (similar to reading a very involving book but with the benefit of not having to read and therefore being able to "go deeper").

So in a sense you have experienced most facets of hypnosis already but your mind has just build a habit of blocking it when you actually want it to work.

Here a few things can help:

1.Remove all goals for the session.

If your mind wants to follow the flow of a file it will do so, if it doesn't you shouldn't be disappointed, it only tries to protect you after all and that is a good sign of it working properly.

Also having expectations of what you want to happen only increases stress if it doesn't happen and the perspective of it not happening prevents you from relaxing fully.

2. To get your mind in the habit of following suggestions don't think about "what" you should be feeling but "how" it would feel.

If you were instructed to feel warm don't just try to feel warm but think about how feeling warm feels.

(Maybe I'll add more later)

>>60107

Oh forgot about files.

Generally you'll have to try a few files from different tists to find who resonates with your mind the most. That may not be what you are most interested in nor what you find most enjoyable in terms of erotic audio.

Any more vanilla 4M37hy57 or N|kk| F4t413 file should be good for starters, nothing to complicated.

I've started Eve's garden and liked it a lot but didn't have the strong effects I was hoping for. Then I tried the e5u((ubu5 training files which had a better effect but got boring fast and I didn't particularly like many other files of her.

N|kk| was way better but also didn't produce a lot of files I was very interested in and the effects were somewhat inconsistent. Maybe I'll go back to her some day.

4M37hy57 is nice but many files focus heavily on worshipping and addiction which I'm not into. Some of the fantasy files I like a lot though. Lastly (((B4mb1))) sleep is about the strongest I know but also not really suitable of beginners.

And more points for the list

3. Listen to files beforehand to make sure you have understood the content and are fully ok with it working as described. If your aren't ok with parts of a file, it's nothing to listen to at the beginning and maybe not even later.

4. If you get bored with files and don't feel like your making any progress at all, stop listening to them for a few days.

5. Don't actively look for effects. Most effects build up slowly and might already be there but just not strong enough to notice them so that then actively dismissing them hurts your progress.

6. Be comfortable… not too warm, not too cold, not too tired - just take some time you'd otherwise be willing to do work/learning in and dedicate that to relaxing and listening to a file only if you feel like it. Adjust your body if you feel like it even while in trance (The added comfort far outweighs the little discontinuity in trance if that should even be a problem.).

>>60106

>>60106

Shortly after I started dating my wife she told me that she had been hypnotized a few times and that it was very meditative. I learned that the person who hypnotized her was a customer at the small retailer she worked at part-time when she was in college. After I asked her more questions about the customer and it immediately sounded like a guy I had heard about from a photographer group I was a member. Yep, tracked him down and found that he had died a few years earlier and his property had been purchased by another photo studio. Tracked it down and after presenting myself as a possible buyer for a mag, I got access to his photo material. Right off the bat it was obvious that hypnotizing was this guy's shtick. From the photos it became clear that it rarely worked but once in awhile it did. Gals who showed they were susceptible he asked back for more photo sets. Didn't find anything from my wife. Talked with the current owners and they said that the guy made a small living off of selling the photos to various mags. I left wondering why the guy had asked my wife back so many times if she wasn't being photographed. Later the owners contacted me and said they came across more sets from the guy so I headed over. Nothing of interest until I got to a bunch of contact sheets. Going through them I found my wife. Naked as a J-bird. It looked she posed for at least 4 photo sessions with guys being in the last session. I talked to the owners about these sheets and they said that they were from sets that the guy sold to mags which included all of the original material so the only thing left were the contact sheets. They sold me the contact sheets of my wife. Later I asked her again about when she was hypnotized and it was clear that she doesn't remember anything about the photos. I never showed her the sheets but I look at them occasionally. I think you are correct about the desire to submit because a learned from my wife's sisters that my wife was pretty passive when she was in her early 20's.

>>60112

>I think you are correct about the desire to submit

Keep telling yourself that it won't work and it won't, even though it easily could. Your problem isn't about your mind refusing to get hypnotized but you refusing to believe it could work in your case. That is the single biggest problem with getting hypnotized. I bet if you were hypnotized without you being told what's happening you'd easily fall into trance and have great experiences. Being careful who to trust is one thing, but You are actively reinforcing your expectation of it not working by looking for reasons why it might not work. The brain is wired to do that, but it doesn't help you. If you want to have success you need to start noticing and actively breaking that habit. It's the same as trying to stop smoking or go to sleep earlier, unless you notice yourself fighting change and actively force yourself to accept it, it won't happen.

>>60106

>Hypnosis requires a desire to submit.

No.

>>60112

Whoa, that is some story. Hope they got published in a totally obscure mag. I'd be kind of careful ever trying yourself or some else hypnotizing your wife again.

>>60147

You find it objectionable to submit, as opposed to something red-blooded like letting someone tell you what to think.

One simple trick to reaching greater depths with hypnosis which I find very effective and wish I had figured out a long time ago is just to pretend the hypnotist's voice is you hearing your own thoughts.

Not enough hypnotists include the line "my voice is your thoughts" line which is a little surprising. Far more effective than suggestions to submit or obey as far as I'm concerned (your mileage may vary, of course).

>>60267

No intention of hypnotizing anyone. I have no doubt the pics got published. The contact sheets were in numbered sets and the set I got were the 23rd. I went back and looked at them again and noticed that my wife's sister was in one of them. Now that would be interesting to see if she was involved with this as well.

>>60104

tl;dr: It's a really big topic. Like, really big. You have no idea. I have no idea. Essentially none. I'm not sure I want one. I'm just talking. I don't even know why. It's probably not good. You probably shouldn't read it.

The hypnosis experience is amnesia caused by more or less complete lack of awareness while hypnotized. You are not supposed to be aware of it. The better it works, the less aware of it you will be. In that sense, there is no hypnosis experience and you will never experience hypnosis because no one experiences hypnosis. It's not an experience. It's the lack of an experience. It's no experience.

Hypnosis is guided meditation. Someone says something to get you to pay more attention to a low level sensation: a sound (without regard for what it might mean), an image (without regard for what it actually is), or a physical sensation (especially a mildly pleasurable one that can be sustained at a constant rate for a long period of time, such as breathing). More intense sensations that cannot be sustained for long periods of time also work, especially when they are repeated on a regular basis, and when you learn to sustain them longer.

Hypnosis is getting in the zone. You concentrate all of your effort and all of your attention on getting the ball exactly where you want it to go. You have practiced this many times, for many many hours. Now it is just you and the ball. You no longer care about anything else. You are no longer aware of anything else.

Hypnosis is zoning out. You are reading a book, or listening to a lecture, or watching television, or driving down the road. It is all very familiar, very boring, you don't care, but for one reason or another you need to keep reading, or keep listening, or keep driving, or you don't care enough to expend the effort to do something more meaningful. You can't find anything important to pay attention to, or you don't want to, so your attention goes to low level details. At some point you realize that you don't remember what you were reading, or what the other person said, or what happened on the tube, or where you were for the last few minutes, or the last hour, or you don't even remember how long.

Hypnosis is relaxation. It is falling asleep, just short of normal sleep. You may day dream, but if you become aware that you are dreaming, or become frightened, or even excited, you may wake up. If anything that you have lost awareness of actually becomes important to you, you may become aware of it again and wake up. If you can create a zone around you that is empty of meaning, it will help you enter hypnosis and stay there. If you can empty your whole life of meaning, you are less likely to be disturbed by unwanted meaning when you don't want to wake up. Spend less time in the real world, less time doing important things that demand critical attention, and more time reading novels, watching movies, playing video games, eating ice cream, doing drugs, robbing people's houses, and killing prostitutes, while maintaining the appearance of a normal life. Now imagine what would happen if you were caught. It wouldn't be good. You really don't want that to happen. Preventing it from happening means committing yourself to false act of normality that you are putting on. Never mind that it is all a lie. Now you know what it means to commit to a fantasy.

>>60884

Erotic hypnosis is a fantasy. There is usually some kind of scenario, as in a novel or a movie. Someone is speaking to you, as if they were there with you, paying attention to you. If it is artfully done, if the person who is speaking is enjoying a fantasy themselves, if you are enjoying a fantasy, any fantasy, if you believe, if you want to believe, if you want to connect with someone else who is enjoying a fantasy (if such a thing is even possible, or makes any sense at all), if you want to have an experience of some kind, any kind, if you are willing to relax and follow someone else for a little while, especially if your fantasy is similar to theirs, or you imagine that it is, your immersion is likely to deepen over time. You will find things that work. Things will turn up. You will find the right person. You will find more than one. They may not be the ones you were expecting, but they will do the job, whether you are aware of it or not. Somehow it will just happen. You won't be aware of how. You don't need to be.

Hypnosis is a lie, but there is no such thing as a pure lie. It is a mass of contradictions that cannot be resolved and yet must be sustained in order to sustain the hypnotic effect. It is a complex and delicate state that is constantly breaking down and falling apart unless just the right conditions are met and preserved, usually at great effort. It is perverse and unnatural. Your mind naturally distinguishes between what is true and good and what is false and bad, and it naturally believes and accepts the former while refusing to believe the latter and rejecting it strongly. The stakes are high. Perhaps higher than you are aware of. But the mind also contains weaknesses that can be exploited, and the truth has highly resourceful enemies with a lot of experience in constructing elaborate fantasies and getting people to forget things that are important.

Hypnosis is occult. Many aspects of it are hidden. Much of the appeal is the desire to contact those hidden things and to know more about them. But those things are hidden for a reason. Coming in contact with them generally does not lead to greater awareness of them, or to better understanding of them. Rather the opposite. It tends to lead to less awareness of everything, less desire for awareness of anything, and in general, hypnosis for the sake of hypnosis, rather than for the sake of any experiences that may be had while hypnotized.

Doing something that someone else asks you to do is good and natural. If someone goes to the trouble of seeking you out and asking you for something, the good and natural thing to do is to give it to them, or to do what they ask. The exception is when they ask you to do something that is wrong, which means something that your mind recognizes as bad and rejects. Bad for you, bad for them, just bad. Bad and false are essentially the same thing, as true and good are essentially the same thing. Meaningless, false, and bad are all essentially the same thing. If someone is lying to you, if someone is wasting their time and your time, if they insist on telling you a bunch of trivia, if they are daydreaming out loud, or think it is vitally important that you spend lots of effort focusing all your attention on what your breath feels like, then you are naturally going to reject their suggestions. You are not going to want to follow them. You are not going to do what they ask. Unless maybe they are a girl who is telling you to touch yourself, or telling you how much she wants to touch you. Especially if they are a certain kind of girl who is maybe into creative stuff, maybe acting, maybe something else, maybe just likes to tell stories, maybe likes to talk and maybe has a tendency to be a bit manipulative, a little more than usual. Someone safe that you don't actually know, and are unlikely to ever meet. Then maybe you will let down your guard a bit, play along, and indulge in a little escapist fantasy yourself.

A lot of people will probably think that all this stuff about good and bad and truth and lies is weirdly moralistic and has nothing at all to do with hypnosis. They see no connection between, say, a focus on sensations of pleasure and a lack of awareness of whether something is real or not. That is an old understanding of things. Modern people, by and large, do not believe it. Perhaps they are unaware and unaware of their unawareness. Perhaps they have forgotten. Perhaps, if you want to be hypnotized, all you really need to do is whatever everyone around you is doing. Eat more burgers. Get fat. Watch more television. Memorize as many sports facts as you can. Spend more time browsing the internet on your phone. Keep up with what the kids are doing.

>>60885

Some people see much more dramatic effects than others. Some people see strange lights in the sky, or little green men, when they think they are fully awake. Sometimes they experience "missing time." Sometimes they get hypnotized and "remember" a sexual experience. Some people go to a darkened room, watch a series of light pictures with loud noises that have been painstakingly assembled at great effort and expense by many hundreds of very talented and hard working people using very sophisticated technology, and emerge two hours later with nothing but a slight headache and a vague sense of having wasted their time. I don't know why some people experience these things and others do not. There are some patterns that can be observed, and some correlations that can be made. There are things you can do. But it's not necessarily up to you. And that might be a good thing. If you think there is any such thing as good and bad. Maybe even if you don't.

Hypnosis is confusion. It's a lie, but it's that artful lie that is right on the edge of what you are willing to believe. Or that really old and well-worn lie that everyone wants to believe, like the girl who is into you. People who meditate for religious reasons don't really get it. They care too much. They may be incredible experts at hypnotic states, but there is something that they don't get that our scientifically sophisticated porn burger movie selfie culture is better at. I guess. I think. I don't know. We sure as hell don't understand it, and we never will. We understand nothing, less and less of it all the time, and we like it that way. We are becoming animals in space, and we think it's the greatest thing since slice cheese. Welcome to the future. If you put the future under a microscope and subject it to scientific analysis, you may find it dripping from your genitals. Does that make you feel ambivalent? More study is needed. As long as you want to be hypnotized, as long as you want to have an experience, as long as you don't care whether that experience is true or not, more study will always be needed.

That said, my most effective hypnotic experiences have come from people who had more or less traditional religious initiations, even if they do not consider themselves to be practicing members of that tradition, or of any religion. The file doesn't matter. What matters is the person who made the file.

On the third hand, I haven't tried bimbo or transgender files, and most people seem to think that the (((B4mb1))) files are the most powerful ones they know of. It may be that there is something about gender bending that is more potent for people who are interested enough to listen to that theme. Maybe it has something to do with timing, as gender bending seems to be becoming a thing recently. The person who made it is a guy, which increases the gender bending effect for guys who listen to it. Apparently he was/is very into the fantasy himself, and was essentially hypnotizing himself when he made it. But if you decide that you don't want to cross that line, then it won't work well for you, if you even listen to it at all. So you might have to listen to other stuff, at least at first. And maybe you will never get to the point where you want to cross that line.

>>60886

Why am I writing this stuff? Do I want you to be hypnotized? Maybe. But I kind of don't want you to be hypnotized either. I don't think it's good. But I do it myself sometimes. Kind of a lot. More than I think is good. Does that mean it works? Obviously things can happen. Am I hypnotized right now? Maybe. Am I being forced to write this? Not really. Am I being influenced? Probably. Somebody out there wants you to be hypnotized. I think they probably want you to be hypnotized more than I do. They may think that if you read this, if you read things that have been written by someone who has been hypnotized, it will help you to be hypnotized. They may be right. You may not notice. Or maybe you will. Maybe you will think this is all drivel. Maybe you will read it anyway, for reasons you can't really explain. Or maybe it will be for the plain, obvious, and dull as dishwater reason that you are bored and looking for stimulation without much concern for what kind or where it comes from. Hey, you are on a chan. The odds are pretty good.

Sometimes I get the urge to write. Once, it was very powerful and disturbingly difficult to resist. I resisted that time because I was writing nonsense to no one and had absolutely no reason to be writing anything at all. This is a plausible reason to write something, and I have something plausible to say. I'm doubtful about whether it is good. The more I write, the more doubtful I get. It seems like I'm writing just for the sake of writing. Put another word down. One after the other. Rambling. It doesn't seem to matter much what I actually write. It might help that its mostly grammatical. That means you can follow it. Doesn't mean you will. There isn't a plot. It's not particularly inspired. It's not very interesting. It just seems to keep going, for some reason. Maybe you will read it anyway? Of course I have no idea. But if I say that, if I bring attention to it, it breaks the spell a little bit. It draws attention to the fact that I'm not actually there, nothing is actually happening, and I'm not even really saying anything. But if you are hypnotized, you will read it anyway and you won't notice any of those things. If you do notice, you won't care.

Ugh, why does anyone want to be hypnotized? the real question is how to stop.

Now I think I'm going to post this, and read what I've written. Just to see what it looks like. Hypnosis is self-absorption. Masturbation. Which makes this masturbating in public. Do I even know what I'm saying? I think if I did, I wouldn't be saying it. So I'm probably hypnotized right now. But maybe not. I can't really tell.

Well, the captcha is not working. Are you in the moment yet? Has everything else gone away? Just look in the mirror. I've read that people who just stare at themselves in the mirror very often see another face after a while. That would be an interesting experience. I haven't done it, though. I mean, that's really self-absorbed. I don't want to look at my face that much, even if it means I might see something else eventually. It's kind of disgusting. But our culture is pretty good at getting people to love themselves more. Maybe you can do it.

Well, the captcha has failed again, but not the same way as last time. Does it mean anything? Probably not. Let's try it again. Man, I can't even read these things any more. They are like half-way between readable and unreadable. It's like someone has spent a lot of time and effort and gone out of their way to design something to confuse people and make them more suggestible, and then put it somewhere you will be forced to keep paying attention to it. Unless you can suppress the urge to post to chans. Which I am failing to do right now.

Haha. Now the body is too long. Of course. Let's see if I can split it up. How many times will the captcha fail? It's changing almost every time I click now. Is that because time is slowing down, or my perception of time? I've been doing this for hours now. I can tell because the clock is right there on the screen. But somehow it doesn't quite seem to register. I should probably care more that I'm wasting all this time, but I don't. For some reason.

Man, this is really self-indulgent. Like, really really self-indulgent. But I think that's that point. I think that's the mindset you have to get into. It's perverse, it's wrong, it's pretty disgusting really, your mind will reject it and try to save you, but that's what you have to do. If that's really what you want.

Now that I'm focusing on the captchas and not on writing, I'm getting these posted. Oops, writing again now. Post it! Are you immersed? Don't answer that. Captchas are expiring faster than I can type them. Why does it do that? Body too long again… maybe the sheer weight will pull you under. That seems to be one technique.

>>60887

Ok, going back and trying to read that, I just can't do it. My eyes just skip over it. My mind refuses to engage with it.

Why do you want to be hypnotized? You shouldn't want to be hypnotized. There's nothing great about it. There's nothing good about it. Do something else. I regret everthing. I always do. Every time. Do something better. That's my advice, if you want it. But you probably shouldn't read any of my advice, and, let's face it, if you're a sensible person, if you have any sense at all, you stopped reading it a long time ago.

>>60888

So you bump the thread because you don't want people to read it. Seems legit.

Also stand by what you say or write and in the future please carry out your depression somewhere else.

>>60888

According to my wife it is was a very peaceful. Like the person above said about a having a great meditation session.

As far a you knowing what you are doing, I believe you do know but your inhibitions are lowered and you are not aware of your surroundings. We had a hypnotist at a our high school and he hypnotized a couple of jocks. He had them prancing around the gym like a ballet dancer. Something they wouldn't normally do. Afterwards, they didn't remember anything. When I spoke with one of them he said that he wouldn't mind dancing around the gym but wouldn't do it in from of his classmates.

So I think you could be prompted to do something you wouldn't normally do but if it is okay with your sub-conscious you get a green light. Taking this further, I assume that my wife has no issues posing nude but wouldn't do to some of the ramifications associated with it.

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