/hypno/ - Hypnochan

>it's nothing more but faggots wanting to be sodomized by women

Worse, it's faggots who want women to tell them to become orbiters or get sodomized by men.

>wanting to get into a kink purely to get laid

Boy it sure is hard living with only 1 remaining brain cell huh OP.

ikr, came here for erotic hypnosis from sexy women. What you get is land whales, dudes pretending to be women, and shitty tts. All centered around sissy faggot shit and cucking. This board really went to shit in the last couple years.

>>54532

There are things going horribly wrong, that for a big part is failure on own part:

1-You cant say its all sissy shit when everyone is free to share. If u just leech ( which on itself is not bad ) but complain about type of content. Nothing will change, because u place the ball in a corner of people that does not share your wishes.

2-the content that currently sells best on genre is this stuff. So people are more interested in this content as a whole. So trend will keep up.

3-When people tried to make a straight only board it died. People started complaining already when ratio sissy to straight was 3:8 posts. The counter measure to move away failed.

4-apparently the guys with the biggest share base for straight stuff are mainly into sissy stuff.

In past I have read several times they are not triggered to share because of hostilities and lack of other straight content.

Hypno sharing in itself is not sustainable market. Its potential lost revenue has in past triggered doms to change their audience target, quit or make buying and sharing convoluted. All which resulted in a drop in sharing.

Consequently people here complained about that. All I want to say is that complaining on a platform like this serves 0 use. U either do something or shutup.

>>54599

Unrelated to the topic: Which nationality are you?

Are you German by chance?

I, too, came here with the expectation of learning how to hypnotize others into doing anything I want. It seems that this is not currently the place for that. We can either make /hypno/ great again, if so, then we need to form a proper strategy, or we need to find or create a place dedicated to using hypnotism to control others, perhaps a dedicated thread here, or a new board, or on another forum.

It may be interesting to note the irony of our complaint of the inversion here, which causes our great disgust with the community, that we came here to learn how to dominate other human beings, but we found only human beings who want to be dominated.

Assuming this will be the thread for learning how to hypnotize other human beings into doing anything we want, lets start by describing the goal.

First, the obvious: I want full control of the human beings I hypnotize.

It is also important that nobody knows that any of this is happening, so that if I hypnotize someone, no one will know they are hypnotized, no one will know they are controlled by someone else, no one will know I control anybody. To state this in a more positive manner, everyone will see everyone and everybody involved as continuing to be themselves, fully controlling themselves, so that there is no unreasonable change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBK5aKOr2Fw&feature=youtu.be

For sure this dude got laid that night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zINTNlIxdrE

>>54621

And for sure he has mastered HFO!

>>54599

>you can't say everything is gay when theoretically there could be a point in time where everything isn't gay

What a stupid fucking thing to say. As if the future state of faggotry means anything when discussing the current state of it.

You've restated this point four times so I'm not going to bother with rewording how dumb you are four times.

Gay retards like you infest this and several other boards and I'd rather you haunted other websites entirely. However, I don't mind if you've made this your home too much since I'm just visiting. If I see you elsewhere, then I'll be truly angry.

>>54450

What IS sex

>>54623

Angry and childish, what a winning combination.

>>54623

its a good thing i didnt say what u qu

ote me on

I guarantee my masturbation sessions are better than yours, OP

The influx of such content to /hypno/ isn't just because it's popular everywhere right now. It's partly caused by a different problem. Posts critical of it are being reported for reasons like "hate speech" and "abusive." There are obviously people here who are not Anons.

>>54657

So that's why thread >>41096 suddenly disappeared with next to no answers ... not.

I've never seen a thread on /hypno that later could have been deleted for the reasons you listed. There are some multi posts, some advertisement spam, bad trolling and so on, which are deleted on a somewhat regular basis, but never posts, that criticize something else on this board in a constructive and rules-abiding way, even though strictly speaking such meta discussions should be limited to their respective threads.

>>54660

The posts don't get deleted because of the reports, but the reports get made all the same. No other genre has reports like that. This implies that an unknown portion of the users focused on that content are outsiders who are so unfamiliar with imageboards that they think I'm going to delete a post or ban someone for hurting their feelings.

This thread and the one you linked to do both belong in the meta thread, but I've allowed them because I've been watching the issue and want the insights they contain.

>>54665

Thanks for the insight.

I obviously cannot know the extent of unfunded reports, but only notice what's actually deleted.

Nevertheless I think, an increasing part of uneducated users is to be expected, because according to the statistics we are a steady growing board. If this growth is healthy for the community in terms of a reasonably balanced representation of fetishes, has yet to be determined, in my opinion.

What can be seen though is, that the currently active creators for the most part cater towards the fetishes in question. This is probably a result of overall exposure, but nevertheless nudges the content distribution and therefore discussions in that direction.

>No other genre has reports like that.

The "problem" here is, who is likely to consume the content. For feminization hypno, if gender tags on the B4mb1 discord are to be believed, trans persons (or at least they seem to perceive themselves as such for unknown reasons (hypno?)) appear to be a surprisingly large part of the listeners. As an at least perceptually repressed minority it is probably understandable, but annoying, that some of them are very sensitive to criticism of their beliefs (not unlike any other fringe group, be it political or religious (the Nazi hypnosis thread is another example)).

Who is right, cannot be trivially answered, because it requires a commonly accepted standard of free speech. For this being an image board, as you've hinted at, it tends be a wider definition than most people are used to encounter elsewhere.

I like 8ch especially because of this, as it enables me to easily see some more extreme ends of the spectrum, and maybe understand their positions and possibly extend better, as opposed to it being hidden and increasing the risk of creating filter bubbles and leading to miscommunication.

Would you like to have an additional mod to help you keep the board on track and deal with annoying reports?

>>54677

>>54665

8chan's front page is hidden from search engines, but the boards and threads are not. If you search for certain hypnotists or files /hypno/ comes up quickly.

>For feminization hypno, if gender tags on the B4mb1 discord are to be believed, trans persons (or at least they seem to perceive themselves as such for unknown reasons (hypno?)) appear to be a surprisingly large part of the listeners

It's not that surprising. I used to know too many trannies and a good chunk listened to feminization hypnosis and watched those stupid flashing sissy porn videos even though they didn't care about hypnofaggotry otherwise. To them it's just another tool alongside HRT and implants.

>>54677

>If this growth is healthy for the community in terms of a reasonably balanced representation of fetishes, has yet to be determined, in my opinion.

In late 2017, sissy and related content (anti-masculinity, very roughly speaking) made up around 12.5% of content, or 0.8 threads per page. It has rapidly increased since then. At times, about half of the first few pages are such content. This appears to be the work of a vocal, rapidly-posting minority. Current trends in audio file production aside, there's little evidence to support the idea that this fetish as a whole is so focused on this one particular niche within a niche. Although hypnosis has a higher than average rate of occurrences of this niche everywhere right now, the vast majority of hypno content across the web is still for the most common sexual preferences, as would be expected. This is not representative.

While the marketplace of ideas should be left to work, the fact remains that this board has a defined purpose, which is to be a board for hypnosis in general. Although a niche's existence doesn't directly harm general discussion and other niches, if one niche takes a disproportionate amount of the space available, relative to its size, it will result in an overall worse experience for anyone not in that niche. It will become harder for users to find anything relevant to their interests, and give the impression that the board is focused on that niche, driving away more general users, new and old. This is at odds with the board's health and purpose.

This issue was brought up over a year ago, but because it had died down at the time, the decision was made to wait and see what happened. The last year suggests that this growth will only continue to progress if left alone. It is likely that something will have to be done. Opinions will be considered.

>Would you like to have an additional mod to help you keep the board on track and deal with annoying reports?

I've thought about it. This is a small board, so the number of reports is far from unmanageable, but sometimes real life gets busy. I'll make a sticky if I do.

>>54826

"This appears to be the work of a vocal, rapidly-posting minority."

It does? How can you possibly determine it's a tiny amount of people, that happen to be posting like rabid cum suckers?

It's not because five people complain about sissies is it? You sure these five dudes aren't the minority that post quite a bit?

To be honest, I don't see how such a minority can produce as much as there is.

Or can you actually tell who is doing it somehow? If you can, it destroys my whole point here haha

>>54832

if we could use some sort of proxy/heuristic to judge, it would be useful

can we make a list of all the hypno patreons, break them down into categories and compare?

i'd bet the sissy market is a massive chunk of the overall market

i completely understand where the people who come here wanting relatively vanilla, simply good, hypnosis are coming from

i feel the same way about the strategy games market: the potential for good AI is crowded out by the hordes of retards who enjoy playing against shitty ones

>>54832

The board owner should be able to see the IPs browsing the board in some capacity for banning purposes. I don't know, if there is also the ability to see which posts were made by the same IP within the last 24h or even beyond that, based on cookies, but it would at least make sense from a moderation standpoint, because it would be easier to ban people, who consistently derail threads or shitpost, from occasional ones.

>>54826

>This appears to be the work of a vocal, rapidly-posting minority.

See, that's why I looked at the statistics in the first place.

The excess of sissy content does not seem to harm the board's growth in an appreciable way. So either the new visitors are increasingly resilient to seeing a growing amount of this stuff, or they are coming because of it and doing so in numbers, which compensate for the loss of older board members, not ready to endure the new content distribution.

I think an a little bit different moderation would help to contain the sissy content better.

My idea would be to have two sticky request threads, where one is explicitly dedicated to sissy stuff. That way other threads requesting single files could be deleted more consistently as directed by the rules for not using the request thread. To make this more clear the mod in action could write the explanation for deletion in the thread, lock it, and only delete it after 24h, so people have time to learn, what to avoid when creating new threads, because as it seems nobody is reading the rules anyway.

Furthermore to keep the catalog of higher quality and the archive cleaner, there could be a rule, for threads to be deleted, which don't get enough or only bad replies within one week of posting, so they don't clutter the catalog, while retaining an appropriate amount of time to be picked up for discussion, if there is enough interest.

Also there should probably be some kind of naming convention, so threads can be easily searched for with the a search function, without having to enter multiple ways of leeting and still having to manually search the whole catalog. If I have to spend minutes finding a thread, others probably won't bother and just create a new, possibly equally hard to assign one, unnecessarily bumping the old one closer to the archive.

>>54826

Yeah I think it is representative of the (((porn community))), maybe its time to move on anon?

>>54841

>The excess of sissy content does not seem to harm the board's growth in an appreciable way.

It is, check /hypno/'s active ISPs on https://8ch.net/boards.html . It hasn't grown beyond a set point, around 120-ish at best, in years and regularly tanks by 40 to 60 UISPs (we're currently hovering around 70-80 UISPs), yet sissyposting is skyrocketing. Enough anons are leaving that it cancels out any growth we get from sissy immigrants and the sissies aren't staying long enough to keep our numbers up.

/hypno/ is stagnating. We can't rely on filesharing to keep anons because most anons use RetroShare and we lack the high-quality discussions and visiting hypnotists that attracted newfags here years back. At this rate we're turning into yet another sissy shithole like every other hypnosis community, covered in fags discussing crossdressing and flashing pornhub videos instead of actual hypnosis, and when they do it's just the same couple sissy panderers everyone already knows.

Are sissies a minority? In the grand scheme of things, yeah. The problem is that they're big on evangelizing and driving out anyone who doesn't like their self-destructive cancer, and overly sensitive to keep their fragile new identity from caving in. Kind of like the LGBT community in general and other parasitic communities like the furries.

>>54615

I despise the darkness in your being with everything I have.

People like hoping to use hypnosis to dominate others for your own, selfish reasons make me nothing but sick.

>>54865

When he could just start his own sect any day and get whatever he likes. But somehow that is seen as morally wrong by most people, even if the sect was strictly staying within "legal limits".

With power comes responsibility, no matter how you aquire it. Someone wanting to control someone else fully is just as good as any other deceptive propaganda institution trying to control people's opinions.

So, if whoever wants this lives in a free country, there is really nothing stopping you from getting it, but your moral integrity.

There are plenty of examples, especially in clans, extremist political groups, sects and the prostitution business of people "legally" controlling other people, often by way simpler means than hypnosis. Their motives and intentions are certainly not pure and they are sure doing other illegal activities, but to keep someone else's world view in line with one's own goals can be done without getting into trouble with any authorities.

It's furthermore very easy to severely hurt/damage person(s), who are subject to the tactics involved.

Also, just so this cannot be misunderstood:

I'm not advocating for the mentioned behavior, but simply handing everyone interested a mirror and pointing out, who is, and why they are probably not (or at least shouldn't be) employing it.

>>54864

I don't understand this viewpoint. Most u say is somewhat right but u miss several points entirely and create a narrative to fit ur story. Pornhub videos started getting shared when links went down fast, popular sharesites failed or dommes got blacklisted from sharing. Basically it tried to fill a need, even when good supply failed. U look at the end result of underlying problems and say: it was the sissies!

But most of all u forget the important part of piracy. And thats popular bought files go into rotation. When a domme became popular their entire shop got added to torrents. Those days are long gone, but trendin hypnotists still have better chance getting shared. u go to clips4sale, sensual, niteflirt or warpmymind. Basically any large site the top sales is sissy shit atm or whatever u want to call it. Its ivy (sissy), misstress love ( sissy), S4mb4 ( sissy), princess angel ( sissy), St3||4 (sissy), amythist ( sissy). u go to niteflirt and it |yc14 (sissy), virtual bimbo (sissy). even new comer behavioural analyst her bimbo files are trending. Then on warp my mind its goddes Gr4c13, msj, K31, 3MG to some extent, nina tempress. Go to any of these sites top rated section. And its mostly sissy stuff. Even what can be considered the holy grail of hypno which actually can lock u in persona and is free ( though that sweet dreams newcomer hypno also pulled a nasty on me ), is B4mb1 (sissy). U fill hypno on porn hub and its sissy.

U know who does little sissy in comparison. Thats athalia. Athalia like T3ss4 fields had that primed to pop series that got advocated here. She was top of the sale list on clips4sale with that series and is semi popular. Thats the only reason why her files often comes back on shares. Because sales mean higher chance to get into sharing rotation. Just like T3ss4 with her premature files do well.

There is no topic about there being to many straight files. Or sissys attacking the vanilla, feet, premature or wetting topics. But whenever a jab is done to sissies it becomes a pile up. Even a sissy hypno fan attacks topics that have little to do with hypno and discusses makeup instead. But most hypno discussions we have is selfhypno so there was no reason to let "i wanted to see girls get turned into fuckpuppets" by a newfag get this much traction.

>>54905

Who cares what the original topic was. If it was a bad one, isn't it all the better to hijack it with a meaningful discussion about the board?

Not the one, you were replying to, but as I've said before, my main concern would be to keep the board reasonably organized and prevent the sissy stuff from disturbing other threads, or creating too many new ones on very similar subjects.

>>54439

The people for whom hypnosis has the most to offer are people who have trouble getting laid otherwise.

In that context it makes sense that it's really popular among sissies, though I agree they're overrepresented. Female QT 3.14s usually have plenty of ways to get their sexual needs met. Not that there aren't QTs who are into hypnosis, but the ones that aren't under the same pressure to come back to hypno again and again just to find satisfaction.

>>54905

>>54919

Apart from having different opinions about sissies, you two not only share your main interest, of "making the board great again" (sorry), but also your main criticism.

Let me summarize:

-While sissy stuff is growing in presence, there is still other stuff to be found.

-Sissy threads are subject to unusually high controversy, which mostly does not happen to be good discussion.

-There is not enough quality threads, which includes ones with meaningful hypnosis discussion.

-Filesharing is helpful, but not representative of an active and healthy community.

-Threads without direct relation to hypnosis don't belong here.

=>People with bad habits regarding conversation and board culture have accumulated in the more or less recent past and are making the board hostile to hypnotists and people interested in hypnosis alike.

So, other than blaming different people and not deriving a solution, at least between the two of you, there seems to be the following consensus.

This board is lacking in strict/more moderation to keep the people in question under control, or maybe even away from the board altogether, so that eventually, the board could (re)gain attractiveness for other and hopefully better people.

At least, that's how I understand your posts.

>>54923

>>54933

In case someone asks if caving to sensitive trannies would could as a revival, no: that would be a culture replacement. For an example of this, 4chan's /v/ is basically unrecognizable compared to /v/ before the GG exoduses. The moderators catered to lefty outsiders and industry shills instead of traditional /v/ culture and now it's tumblr people talking about video games without usernames.

>>54933

The problem I see, is that even today everyone can speak their minds to a degree, which hurts the board.

It's one thing to suggest to someone to kill themselves, when also otherwise critiquing their arguments as a sign of confrontation, but a very different story, if it's just done to shitpost. The first one is the free (and maybe unnecessarily rough) speech, we cherish, the second one is a sign of bad intent and unfitness for the board culture we should aim for, in my opinion.

The same applies to the sissies and the haters. If you don't contribute to the thread in a meaningful way (file sharing, discussion, new ideas, helping someone,…), keep the fucking insults for your family and friends, but not /hypno. They are not wanted here, especially not in isolation, or at least that should be the message.

Respect is not what you think or say about a person, but if are able to directly, constructively critique them and otherwise tolerate their opinion as what it is.

Tolerance is the ability to ignore. That and nothing more needs to be expected of everyone visiting /hypno !

I mean, there is a reason some people are commonly referred to as fags here, but that shouldn't be a reason to be unnecessarily permissive.

>>54940

Apparently you didn't read my post thoroughly. Just because I used some phrases, which are also used by newfags and leftists (even though this is clearly not /pol), that doesn't mean, I'm not interested in the same goals.

My critique was not purely based on rough speak, which I think just seems out of place in most cases, but the missing conversation culture it resembles.

I don't want anyone to delete long on topic posts using some offensive expressions, but those, which don't contribute something to the thread, which are shitposts for the sake of shitposting.

If anyone wants more tists to visit, we can't just blatantly insult them in every thread. There needs to be some argument on why it is done as well. Otherwise none of them will want to be on /hypno.

And it's the same with the sissies and whatever you want to call the conservative fags attacking them. This is not a single-sided problem.

Also, if a stricter moderation is not the right solution, what is? Constantly blaming different people will hardly improve anything.

>>54970

Also, supposedly /leftypol/'s usercount is inflated by VPNs and bots. Jim said they share most of their userbase with the late /furry/, which was caught doing the same shit when Bui's botspam killed the board and anti-bot measures on the replacement /fur/ revealed a far lower unique ISP count.

>>54953

So in short, a good moderator can distinguish harmful shitposting and off-topic stuff from shitposty contributions (which includes insults) as part of his job, which our BO already does. >>54953 's main problem is that he isn't actually distinguishing between the two despite his insistence that he is, given his examples. This along with his mannerisms are clear signs of newfaggotry.

>>54972

Still he's complaining about the Reddit invasion and how it killed /hypno as he knew it.

I've never been registered on reddit and only been here since about summer of 2017, when I discovered erotic hypnosis and found this to be the only place with any meaningful discussion on the matter. I'm annoyed by needlessly telling people to kill themselves, because we as people interested in hypnosis should know, suggestions can be powerful. You never know how suggestive another anon is.

Furthermore I'm not interested in reading sissy threads nor like seeing people derail threads.

Assuming, that I assign the posts correctly, there is indeed a problem with indecisive moderation.

Let me put it this way:

If there is a thread by another anon asking for some specific sissy fetish, the first answer is usually someone complaining without saging. Now, there is three ways of handling this situation.

1) Delete the thread for being to similar to other sissy threads

2) Delete the response for not contributing constructively to the thread.

3) Ignore it entirely and have a cluttered catalog with another thread that, apart from some on topic posts, is mostly shitposting.

The BO is obviously leaning towards 1 based on their posts, but doesn't want to kill threads prematurely, or doesn't have the time to enforce this consistently, leading to situation 3, which seems to be the overall perception of the current status of the board. Or isn't it? Is the board fine after all?

What does not help is to be sad about the situation, blaming sissies and presumably redditors for destroying it. If those are the problem, get rid of them. If not, find a different solution.

Without direction nothing is going to change no matter how much you'd like it to.

>>54977

>I've never been registered on reddit

>been here since about summer of 2017

Then why the fuck are you still writing the board name without the trailing slash and where did you learn such a thing? If you can't be assed to figure out such basic shit like getting the name right after almost two fucking years of being here and you're sincerely worried some idiot will actually kill himself because a random anon doesn't like his stupid post (in which case he's in serious need of help and not a hypnosis imageboard bending over backwards for him), this is a sign that you're not a good fit for the board and /hypno/ is in an even worse state than I thought.

For the last time, the point of imageboard culture is that it's designed to make new people lurk more until they figure it out and integrate or leave. Newfag is not an age but a state of mind, and one can remain a newfag for a very long time. Look at the owner of /christian/: he thinks he's an imageboard expert because he posted on /b/ a couple times years ago yet he doesn't have basic understanding of imageboard etiquette, so his attempt at making a polite board without mean words instead created an incredibly passive aggressive board.

Redditors are hated because they don't integrate well and are generally beta-orbiting consumerist whores with shit taste. Sissies have similar problems except they're more self-destructive and prey on the insecure to evangelize their shit fetish, as seen in the trap cults overrunning 4chan which have already killed and ruined far more /r9k/ anons than "kill yourself" imageboard posts have in over a decade. Let's not forget the B4mb1 spammers which shilled their off-topic files in every fucking thread for ages until the previous BO finally cracked down on them.

>Let me put it this way:

>…

#1 is the correct option if the thread is too similar to an existing thread. #2 is sometimes warranted depending on the response, but usually isn't. Usually it's best to let another anon chide him for bumping threads he hates.

>If those are the problem, get rid of them.

That's the /monster/ approach and it worked fantastically for them. Their BO correctly identified homosexuals and furries as the weak link which ruined every other monster girl community and banished them, furries to furry boards and homos/futafags to /chaos/. It caused a lot of salt at first, but they developed perhaps the strongest board culture on 8chan and still make loads of OC even on their less-active days.

The problem is that you need a very specific kind of BO to pull this off. /hypno/'s BO is a decent guy but probably not the kind who'd try something so dramatic. It's pretty risky so I understand.

>>54985

>Then why the fuck are you still writing the board name without the trailing slash

It's more convenient to leave it out and people still know, that I mean the board instead of what it's about.

If it's a sincere annoyance to people, I might consider changing it.

About the suicide thing, yes I think it may affect people, because some of the ones who got that response seemed to be in legitimately bad situation mentally.

On the other hand I'm fairly certain, most self-proclaimed transgenders have entirely different problems than their gender. But I don't get, why I should insult them because of it, as long as they aren't breaking any board rules and don't shitpost unnecessarily.

Take a look at the desexualization thread. It probably isn't of any interest for the vast majority of the board members. Still it seemed to be a sensible discussion related to hypnosis.

Should it be deleted, just because it's based on a gender image typically represented by leftists/redditors?

If the BO doesn't want to do it on his own, why isn't he recruiting a few mods to help him? Waiting for improvement lead to this situation in the first place.

>>54995

>it's more convenient to leave it out

It's a single keypress, man. Don't be that lazy.

>About the suicide thing, yes I think it may affect people, because some of the ones who got that response seemed to be in legitimately bad situation mentally

>On the other hand I'm fairly certain, most self-proclaimed transgenders have entirely different problems than their gender

These people are walking basket cases and coddling or ignoring them will only let their problems fester. They need help, which often involves upsetting them, and sadly many are so far gone you can't get through to them without a good, hard shock. "Kill yourself" isn't useful for actually helping them but it can make them fuck off if there's too many to handle at once. Is this harsh? Yes, but it's still better than letting them continue ruining themselves and expect everyone play along or tiptoe around them.

Also, that thread you cited was a bad example for trannies sensibly discussing hypnosis. Most of it was the same two or three trannies rambling about their psychological issues and encouraging each other to worsen some symptoms at the expense of others. The moment someone asked a reasonable question they grew hostile and pushed their own thread further from hypnosis.

>>55018

The thread, despite being niche and resembling leftist views, is a perfectly valid addition to /hypno/ in my opinion.

It is directly related to hypnosis, is not currently represented in the catalog, and doesn't break any other rules from what I can tell.

That's why I asked what could be wrong with it.

If it's the leftist views, then a new rule could be added to address that, but as far as I can tell, this is /hypno/, and not /pol/, so I'd rather keep discrimination based on politics away from here.

>>54919

Thats a worthless angle. Any hypnosite that can't share properly has died. People like to discuss or add files of their own. But main bread and butter is sharing. What u guys are doing is nitpicking attributes that just give a bit filling to the community and say its the sissies or reddit fault that this part is changed. Its hillarious, because I point this out. And ur reponse is to spoonfeed me the true angle, but u litterally give an essay about sissy = bad. And ignore the core values.

>>55018

I can also give a tyrade and upplay and downplay attributes to bring forth an opinion. sarcasm:I think there is just 2 guys here that aren't sissy that are just upset most sales atm are sissy stuff. And these guys are depressed and suicidal about it.

See how this doesnt trigger you into a discussion at all?

>>55024

As far as I know, there are only two widely accepted genders, known to conservative folks, if they accept the concept of a gender as a dedicated entity from the sex at all.

So, yes people, who identify as having no gender, or just being none of the established ones, is a subject brought forward by left wing groups. Furthermore seeing LGBTQ… people in conservative to right wing parties is still a rarity, if at all present, in most countries.

The anon I was replying to also consequently put them in the same bucket as

>trannies

Resemblance =/= fully supports every aspect

>>55189

It's important. Keep posting.

>>55200

At least from my perspective, being the guy screaming for more moderation, there is really not much left to touch on.

I have summarized the problems, others and I have identified, have given solutions, which seem sensible to me, and have dealt with the criticism thrown at me in a reasonable manner.

Unless there is more input, other subjects or views to discuss, I'm done here.

It's a little bit of a disappointment, that apart from, what seems like three or four people, no one else felt the need to give their opinion on the matter, but I guess that's the deal with voluntary participation.

Anyway, I hope to see /hypno(/) find a clearer direction to develop to, in the foreseeable future, without too much of a breakup.

>>55200

>>55216

The problem is less that we don't have enough moderation (although an extra vol or two would be nice) and more that we have indecisive moderation over a nearly dead board. Trying to recreate the board's original magic may be futile, maybe not, but it would also be a shame to see it degenerate into another sissy hellhole or >>55216 's milquetoast dream where no one says kill yourself because we need the unstable tranny audience.

>>54938

This post is gayer than anything anyone here will read for the rest of the year, and it's February 9th.

Kill yourself, nigger.

>>55224

My pleasure. I have to admit, that it was a particularly bright moment, which I captured just for you, my dear.

Where do I get my trophy?

>>55228

🏆

At last, I see. Sissies are our bronies.

>>55219

>we have indecisive moderation over a nearly dead board.

That's ending, which is why this thread is stickied. Enough is known now, and risking making things worse is preferable to accepting the stagnation. These are the options so far.

>1. All sissy content is bumplocked. This mostly won't prevent them from using the board normally, since unbumped threads last about three months.

>2. All sissy content is contained within a single cyclical general. This lets them be on the front page more, but keeps them from monopolizing space.

>3. All sissy content is deleted outright. I don't want to resort to this, but I've played nice and waited for them to improve for over a year, so it's on the table.

Discuss them and suggest alternatives.

>(although an extra vol or two would be nice)

All of these options will require likely require at least one vol.

>>55216

>>55228

I agree that posters are often needlessly aggressive, but you do not understand imageboard culture if you think that self-censorship is a sensible solution for anything. Anons use imageboards specifically as a place free from socially imposed self-censorship, and if someone can't handle the responsibility that comes with that (the risk of being disagreed with, insulted, or told to kill yourself) then they aren't going to have a good time here. We're not going to sacrifice the rest of the board and our established culture to appease a niche group, many of whom aren't even from here, especially when there are plenty of other places that already cater specifically to them. The group we cater to is anons.

>>55231

>then they aren't going to have a good time here

Got that. My worry is, that this applies to tists as well.

Concerning your three options, I think it should be a softened mix between 2 (Containment) and 3 (Enforcement).

We would already have less problems, if the thread creation discipline was higher.

So, most of the sissy related topics should be one "sissy general". Then there needs to be an additional rule, to use that thread, whenever an unspecific request is made, that does not fit the two or three sissy (ar)tist threads, which should be kept.

The deciding factor in all of the proposed options as well as the success of the board is going to be strict enforcement of the rules, which means more, maybe a lot more, work for mod(s).

For that it's not really relevant, if the threads are deleted, or locked. All three variants would need attention to every newly created thread, to decide, whether it passes the guidelines, or needs to be handled.

Of course having an easily visible sissy thread in the upper part of the catalog would likely result in less threads, where actual moderation was needed. So bumplocking in general is probably not a viable option to a higher quality catalog, and last but not least the archive.

It also needs to be determined, what qualifes as sissy. As I've noted, some people here would have included the "desexualized" thread in the sissy definition, which, I firmly believe, would send a wrong signal for other niche topics.

For a good decision the consequences should also be considered.

Depending on the definition, 2 and 3 would likely result in popular and fairly well behaved threads like the B4mb1 one to be a violation of the newfound rules and deleted. That cannot be the idea of the changes.

Similarly 1 would make them less visible and possibly create more threads on the same topic faster.

So, whatever is done, should in my opinion be mindful of these threads, as they are among the most frequented on the board and loosing them would definitely hurt the board. Also, they are practically self-contained, otherwise they'd hardly ever reach the bump limit.

What needs to be addressed though, are people creating new threads for a twist, when the old one is nowhere near the limit.

>>55231

Yesterday I was happy this topic got stickied. If people reported the posts they didn't agree with. Then this is the best solution.

Stick it in their face.

( Unless of course they are false-flagged, then you got played son. Then my praise to the false flaggers)

However this post is a eyebrow raiser, it simply fails to mention the problem.

Summarising sissies are the new bronies. Its not a very detailed description of the problem, especially on a slow board.

If it's a slow board and sissy posts are 2 high. Then where the fuck is the non sissy board stuff? Surely this immense community of posters that are named above and are the core of hypnochan, can phantom a few posts every 3-5 days.

This is the actual problem that I have been trying to point out. The sissies are not pulling the cart, seeders for straight stuff just aint here. Just look at the last non-sissy posts. Their market share on the hypno sale sites is also declining and the dommes mentioned above which focus on this sissy fetish are thriving.

OP doesn't help the cause either. OP doesn't ask for more videos/pictures/hentai of females being hypnotised, nor is he sharing his loot. No he is being an unproductive cunt. A whiner. That's a general recurring theme: Someone brings up a new hypnotist. "Must be a shiller". "Just like 5h1bby!" ( topic derails into rant about 5h1bby and leftist politics. ( I don't care about polarised politics or people that can impersonate others on a anynomous board. I came for hypno. Give me sources, links, pictures, stories or Fuck off plz)).

Then it becomes hilarious the post being most unproductive nature ( my particular need didn't get satisfied weeeehhh )gets stickied. And the kill yourself and deteriorating board behaviour..is just board beings boards.

What you need to wonder is. If he did made a post that asked the board for sources. Would it have gotten 3 bumps and then die? Or several hundred links and discussion what the best content is in that genre. You know what the more likely outcome is.

It only shows me that the majority of the people causing these discussions are leachers. With a taste not shared on this board nor shared in the general market of late. This also proofs when they wanted to split off with own board, they returned empty handed.

And these are the guys that we catering 2. Not anons. Anons are a reflection of the market.

But go ahead. I already buy most my stuff myself these days. Im not biased or dependent on a niche genre. Let's see how heavy filtering the only active part of the market/board is gonna work out :D

"There is not enough content that appeals to me, therefore remove the content that does not."

Ya'll afraid to get off the stoop.

>>55237

>Another point for improving board culture, without directly affecting/targeting sissy threads, because they are not the root of the problem.

Great, I completely missed that angle in my explanations.

The thread being stickied has nothing to do with op in my opinion, even though op is right in one sense.

I also came here expecting something about women being mind-controlled and turned into helpless fuck toys. What I found was better than vids or stories for a quick fap though, and I stayed for the discussions and filesharing primarily, learning about different tists along the way.

So in some way it is probably good to deal with the discrepancy between expectation and reality in a stickied thread. This is not the right one for that purpose, as it turned into a meta discussion about board direction in the meantime, which of course has its own place as well.

I dont understand the problem, i dont like sissy stuf at all but as an adult person i has respect and tolerance, i dont like so i dont enter, you even can hide post/threads so if you want to see you can

I should add another 4th option, a tag before the title, so if it is a sissy thing it shoud have [SISSY] Whatever title…, it should make easier to identify and ignore or enter, depending on who you are

Trying to prohibit it would not work, i love Niki and K4sh4 stuff, two of the best hypno dommes i has listened but we has to face it, now days there are no "normal" mistress as used to be, sissy content rules the market and the board only reflects that, i can only think of Sh3||3 as "normal" hypno and Shibbi as fantasies storys, so the problem isnot the huge amount of sissy/findom hypno, it is the lack of "normal" one

>>55231

#2 is the safest and most practical. I personally like #3 but there would be problems with grey area fetishes and hypnotists who make both sissy and non-sissy files.

>All of these options will require likely require at least one vol.

I dunno who else will do it, so I might apply.

>>55237

These kinds of posts always claim the vast majority are sissies by pointing to file sales and then insisting there's only a couple non-sissies on the entire board who rarely post and never share files. The post I'm responding to even declares non-sissies are "Not anons" because anons are always "A reflection of the market." This is blatantly false. As slow as the entire board is, there are still active non-sissy threads which share and discuss files, and boards have a long history of ignoring and going against market trends. /v/ and /animu/ are obvious examples but there's many others, including /monster/ which eventually turned the trends in their favor.

Why are non-sissy file sales declining? Partially because hypnotists (like many modern businessmen) foolishly expect infinite market growth off a limited, samey selection of files when their core audience already had over a decade to buy or or torrent most of the files they're interested in. The other part is our market oversaturation and how new hypnotists do little to stand out, then wonder why their files aren't selling.

There are two solutions here: either make files that stand out or pander to a group with low standards and no self-control. There are a few examples of people doing the former and they do make money, but the latter is far easier and takes less creativity. Anyone can pull a K31 and pump out a Demon Slut Nugget/Bouncing Bimbo Sissy every couple months for easy money. This route is a lot like the phone game and loot crates market which makes most its money off gambling addicts and those with severe self control problems, except here it's dissatisfied dudes with

>OP doesn't help the cause either. OP doesn't ask for more videos/pictures/hentai of females being hypnotised, nor is he sharing his loot. No he is being an unproductive cunt. A whiner.

How dare OP talk about the state of the board instead of making yet another filesharing thread. What an absolute cunt. I cannot believe someone would make a thread like this.

>That's a general recurring theme: Someone brings up a new hypnotist. "Must be a shiller". "Just like 5h1bby!" ( topic derails into rant about 5h1bby and leftist politics. ( I don't care about polarised politics or people that can impersonate others on a anynomous board. I came for hypno. Give me sources, links, pictures, stories or Fuck off plz)).

These accusations are quickly defused if OP doesn't act like a retard. The problem is that a good chunk respond horribly (like that 133 411ur3 thread, Secret Subject started badly too) and regardless of how badly they behave, several people always show up to white knight and whine about /hypno/ scaring off another hypnotist or shame anons for even suggesting the possibility of shills.

>This also proofs when they wanted to split off with own board, they returned empty handed

That attempt was started by a bunch of pretentious identityfags who previously tried and failed pushing us to the mindwriters forum, it's no wonder it didn't work. Besides, 8chan board splits rarely work unless the original moderation is /a/ or /v/-tier oppressive. Boards like /tech/ slowly decaying under inactive moderation somehow don't move either even when they're overrun with outsiders.

This is generally recognized as one of 8chan's great failures.

>What you need to wonder is. If he did made a post that asked the board for sources. Would it have gotten 3 bumps and then die? Or several hundred links and discussion what the best content is in that genre. You know what the more likely outcome is.

Depends on the thread, fag. The catalog has plenty of both, including standouts like footfag anon's collection he's constantly expanded and reuploaded for years now.

>>55243

>Ya'll

>>>/tumblr/

>>55258

>Board splits seldomly work as intended, but I want a smaller more focused community and my preferred way of dealing with the situation is to drive a large portion of anons away from the board, effectively splitting the board.

>Also the majority of the tists are to blame as well, because they are to uncreative to cater to a "better" audience. They need to improve.

>So, please let me be a mod.

I don't know, if you've been living under a rock or are just ignorant, but the B4mb1 files are a great example of a files perceived as sissy but featuring excellent quality hypnosis, both in terms of editing and scripting. The only possible disadvantages are the use of tts, which is still preferable to a male voice, and, if you're not into that, the feminization/bimbofication. It isn't even sissy in terms of targeting only men, or employing humiliation.

It definitely does not belong in a single thread with some sissy tists, where it isn't even clear, if what they produce, qualifies as hypnosis.

Similarly, the SB thread, despite the content being way different, has a lot of discussion, which couldn't be had, in a single cumulative thread.

>>55262

>misreading the entire board splits spiel

I was talking about people leaving to start a new board, not a board banishing certain groups. Again, /monster/ is an example of the latter going fantastically well despite the naysayers insisting it couldn't surV1v3 without gays and furries.

>Also the majority of the tists are to blame as well, because they are to uncreative to cater to a "better" audience. They need to improve.

Sadly, yeah. The hypnosis scene is really stagnant outside a couple people and almost every time a new hypnotist shows up, it's just the same shit we've heard a thousand times before.

>So, please let me be a mod.

If he finds someone better, I'll gladly step back. The only reason I'm considering it is because I'd like a decent board again, the BO needs volunteers, and I dunno how many applications he'll get.

>muh b4mb1

I never said sissy files couldn't be good quality, just that you need less effort and creativity to capture that easily satisfied audience. B4mb1fags aren't exactly welcome on /hypno/ either after their spamming and all-round awful posting led to their confinement in one thread, one of the only times someone behaved badly enough to force our previous BO's hand.

>It isn't even sissy in terms of targeting only men, or employing humiliation

>It definitely does not belong in a single thread with some sissy tists

Sissification/feminization technically isn't exclusive to men and doesn't always involve humiliation, but even with B4mb1's attempt at being inclusive it still mostly attracts men and trannies. It's definitely under the sissy umbrella and shouldn't be excluded just because there's some gender-neutral pronouns or some shit.

>muh SB

His convoluted, deceptive clusterfuck doesn't need any more analysis or attention.

>>55262

Oh, and I support a non-exclusive tagging system like >>55255 suggested.

Not as sophisticated, as what is used on gwa, but simple, mandatory three letter tags for all threads would help identify newfags, who haven't read the rules.

Like

SIS: Sissy and similar

STR: Straight and similar

AMB: ambiguous/not specific

FEM: female voice

MLE: male voice

TTS: TTS voice

These latter three would be optional, if a thread or tist is specific to one version, or only one of them is desired.

>>55265

>not a board banishing certain groups

How is that any different? If you forcefully try to get rid of them, you are effectively splitting the community, just without leaving a true alternative.

If a B4mb1 thread is "welcome", doesn't matter as long as it's complying with the rules, and having multiple ones clearly doesn't do so, so a deletion of any additional ones is absolutely warranted. The same is true for the SB thread.

To my knowledge sissification as opposed to feminization is exclusive to men, or at least, that was my expectation, when writing the previous posts. Under this assumption B4mb1 is not sissyfication.

>>55255

>>55266

>mandatory thread tags

Fuck off, this isn't reddit or a booru. They would also make the catalog less readable and they're pointless bloat for topical threads and requests. Imagine:

>[STR] [AMB] Covert Hypnosis

>[SIS] [STR] [AMB] [FEM] Jenny D3mi10

>[STR] [AMB] [FAG] [FEM] [TTS] Cock Growth Hypno

>[AMB] [STR] [SIS] Nipple orgasm/nipple play hypnos

What if the guy who tagged his Cock Growth Hypno thread [FEM] and [TTS] gets linked a V1v3 file or random WMM files with male voices? Will he or someone who clicked the thread expecting female voices sperg out?

>>55268

>How is that any different?

Because one is people leaving of their own volition and suggesting others do likewise, and the other is moderators pushing them out. It doesn't sound like a huge difference to newfags and those who only post on /hypno/, but in practice it's a huge difference. Try looking at the boards page and scrolling down: past the first page you'll notice there's a huge number of dead, failed splinter boards littering the site, and it gets worse the further down you go. The vast majority of them are from people trying the former.

>just without leaving a true alternative

For who? The non-sissy threads will continue on, while the sissies and feminization fags will either be constrained to a single cyclical thread, leave 8chan entirely, or join >>>/sissy/ .

>To my knowledge sissification as opposed to feminization is exclusive to men, or at least, that was my expectation, when writing the previous posts

The line between the sissification and feminization is usually blurred and even when hypnotists claim the intent is different, both end with people adopting bad caricatures (especially the B4mb1 files). Sissification isn't exclusive to men and transsexuals either, it and feminization are just much rarer among actual 3DPD.

Do you honestly expect B4mb1 and your other favourite (((feminization))) tists to be granted exceptions over semantics?

>>55270

But it would look like this:

>[AMB] Covert Hypnosis

>[AMB] [FEM] Jenny D3mi10

>[STR] Cock Growth Hypno

>[AMB] Nipple orgasm/nipple play hypnos

1. "Ambiguous" already includes both other options. There is no need to specify unless a thread should exclusively handle one variant.

2. As I wrote, voice tags should be optional, and it's just an idea, if you want to limit a thread to one type, not multiple ones, and thus is usually not needed.

3. The mandatory aspect is simply there to make moderation easier, because it would allow to filter out things like the weekly reoccurring new threads on hfo/joi vids, form some newfag, who doesn't seem to get, that he isn't specific enough, or the unnecessary thread restarts by equally inexperienced anons.

Also the B4mb1 stuff is not sissyfication.

It is explicitly gender-unspecific, and who listens to it primarily can hardly be the determining factor.

It mainly deals with heavy bimbification, which of course includes feminization, but not in a way, that gives any indication to the real sex of the listener.

If gender is not the decisive point in differentiating between sissyfication and unbiased feminization, what is?

There is no humiliation in there and it could as well be directed at women exclusively for all we know.

>>55279

You failed to answer the simplest of questions. Let me ask you again:

What is the difference between unbiased feminization as a part of bimbofication and sissyfication, if it's not who is targeted?

If this answer cannot be answered, how are we going to draw any comprehensible line.

I don't care, if the thread is tagged as a sissy thread, if that helps you avoid it, but for something concerning the future of the board, we gotta be a little more precise.

The tagging system, as of now, is only an idea, of how it could work.

Yes, it would need some getting used to, but that's what mods and rules are for. If new threads fail to confirm after a transitioning period has passed, they are deleted. It's no more work than any of the other options, which have been put forward, would entail, but had the benefit of identifying people who didn't read the board rules more quickly.

So at least the newfags coming from reddit would be repelled faster.

>>55281

>You failed to answer the simplest of questions

Read my post again. If you still can't see it, ask a friend who hasn't ruined their mind with bimbo files for help. If you don't have any,

The only meaningful differences are slight presentation tweaks. The end results of sissification and feminization are the same so in the complainers' (and probably the owner's) eyes there isn't a hard line between them.

>So at least the newfags coming from reddit would be repelled faster.

How will a tagging system which apes Reddit repel Reddit?

>>55284

Tagging is nothing invented by reddit, and I've already explained, that it's because of the unfamiliarity of reddit users with our system/rules.

Regarding the differentiation:

Is general slutieness hypno now considered a sin by your standards? It would certainly fall under the same definition. It's just a different term. So the femanons would no longer be able to seek for slutification/bimbofication?

Remember, you think, that the gender is not relevant for the matter.

>>55286

>general slutieness hypno

>slutieness

Ignoring your poor English for a moment, bimbofication almost always involves sissification/feminization too so it will probably get lumped in with those.

>femanons

If they want bimbofication files, they can visit whatever cyclical general or board you guys get them from. It's pretty simple stuff.

>>55288

OP literally just wanted women being turned into fucktoys by hypnosis, which started the discussion in the first place, and now you want to get rid of exactly that, because it's too sissy.

Wow, how far have we come…

Also, congratulations on trying to actively ignore an 'e' where it doesn't belong. I hope you don't get anger issues reading some other posts here.

>>55289

>banishing bimbofication files to one thread *assuming that happens** will somehow deprive OP of women getting hypnotized

Someone's desperate to keep his B4mb1 thread.

Anyhow, it's pretty safe to assume OP meant pictures or videos of hypnotized women rather than femanons being hypnotized within the thread. I'm sure he'd prefer bimbofication files being lumped in with sissy/feminization content over them being used as a loophole for the gay sissy cancer OP, anons, and the BO are sick of. I personally think bimbofication/slutshit is disgusting even on women, but even so on a healthier board I'd be open for a female-specific bimbofication thread.

Here's another /monster/ comparison. If they allowed monster boys for the sake of femanons, it would give one group they've intentionally shut out (gays) a massive opening for something women aren't nearly as interested in anyways.

>I hope you don't get anger issues reading some other posts here.

If your English could create anger issues, the entire thread would be spree killers by now.

>>55290

Yeah right, that's gonna be the case…

Have a nice day!

Option 2 is the winner so far. I like the idea of tagging, but it would be difficult to implement or enforce here, and would also require mods to participate in filesharing, which I won't do.

It's true that we need a way to classify sissy content, or we'll repeatedly fall into the same argument you've been having. Sissy itself is too narrow of a definition. It will have to be a fairly broad. Unfortunately, no system is perfect, and some amount of classification will have to come down to personal discretion. Whether or not B4mb1 is made primarily for the male sissy/demasculinization/feminization/forced gay/etc audience, (it probably is), that's what it's used for almost exclusively, so that's how we'll treat it. That some women could theoretically be interested in it doesn't change the practical reality of how it's consumed everywhere, and how it affects things here.

If you'd like to be a vol, make a new email, and send three links to three posts made by you in three different threads to hypnautist at protonmail.

This whole thread is making a mountain out of molehill. At most there are three active pages on the board and I don't find it difficult to navigate through the posts I want to read or ignore.

Last time I looked there was 15 out of 27 or so posts (in first 2 pages) related to named hypnotists. I'm sure most here will be able to ignore those that deal with sissy or gay stuff if they don't like it. Note the B4mb1 thread is on page 3 last time I looked.

>>55300

I think, you're drawing the wrong conclusions. As far as I've counted, there is exactly one other anon, who participated in the discussion and is in support of the same very broad definition as you are.

When starting the discussion, my main concern was to make sissy content easier to avoid, but that was due to the self-destructive nature some of these files, not because I'm afraid, /hypno/ will otherwise become a shithole.

I was furthermore unhappy about how long some obviously bad threads (I'm NOT primarily talking about sissy threads) were staying in the catalog, cluttering it and worsening the browsing experience.

Go ahead and have fun with your board, but remember, it's just some letters behind a domain name. If this is taking bad turns, it won't be too long, before there is a more open alternative. As far as I can tell, you're just about to pull the rug you're standing on.

How did this get pinned to the top of the board?

>>55323

The BO is annoyed by the amount of sissy to very remotely sissy content, and blames the people interested in it for the decay of the board.

His plan is to confine all of the affected content to a single thread, because he views competing solution as too labor-intensive.

>>55318

>miserable state

It isn't even that bad.

I can understand, if people are dissatisfied with the current situation for various reasons, and it's also pretty obvious, that it's too much work for a single person to keep it on track.

If he is wrong though, he'll be left with a board, that's only used by very small amount of active users, at least judging by the currently limited group of people contributing to "straight" threads, or even engaging in this discussion, arguing for more restrictions to sissy content.

>>55311

>>55333

>gives opinions on how to run an imageboard

>sages a sticky

topkek

>>55334

>he'll be left with a board, that's only used by very small amount of active users, at least judging by the currently limited group of people contributing to "straight" threads

Don't single out non-sissies, all the threads are slow as molasses these days.

Also, please learn proper punctuation too. I don't know what the fuck you think commas are for, but that's not how the English language uses them and your posts read like you're taking English lessons from the Burger King Foot Lettuce guy.

>>55336

I never got, why English seems to use so few commas. I like them for sentence structure and already drop a few of what would be applicable in my native language. Also, as far as I understand, there are a lot of them which can be used or skipped. When usually the latter is done, I prefer the former variant, because as indicated I'm used to even more of them and prefer to write in more complex sentence structures.

I also know, that saging doesn't matter for bumping a sticky, but I still do it for consistency. If I don't think the post is very relevant to the overall thread, I'm going to sage it anyway. It's a nice visual guide on which posts are more or less important than others, even if others don't follow the same logic.

>>55338

>>55346

>Getting triggered by bad punctuation.

Fack of gramar nazi.

>>55338

BURGER KING FOOT LETTUCE

>>55334

I'm willing to take the chance that he's wrong. All sissy, B4mb1, and 54m4nth4 B4nd|3r content should be swept into one nasty cubbyhole. The rest of the threads should be all regular non-sissy hypno.

>>55394

>I'm willing to take the chance

Of course you are. You made more than clear that the current situation is hardly bearable for you.

>>55395

I can't tell if he's being sarcastic or not, but he isn't who you think he is.

>>55396

Thanks, but I don't think the one, I expected him to be, would disagree with that statement, if it wasn't sarcastic.

>>55402

Seriously, why do you type like like captain kirk?

>>55404

According to the references(,) I looked at(,) that post seems to be correct.

Same with the above one. The commas here could be set or left out depending on the type of subordinate clause, which in that sentence appears to be a non-restrictive relative clause. Therefore setting the commas is recommended if I get the guide on the Oxford webpage right.

The other one in front of the "if" is usually, but not necessarily, omitted.

Overall English doesn't seem to have very clear-cut rules which commas cannot be set.

>>55410

>Same with the above one. The commas here could be set or left out depending on the type of subordinate clause, which in that sentence appears to be a non-restrictive relative clause.

False, it's a restrictive relative clause (specifically a reduced restrictive relative clause) and wouldn't be necessary if you switched "the" for "my."

The Oxford site you mentioned trades clarity for brevity and isn't that useful. You'd be better off with fucking Wikipedia articles or reading more English to get a feel for the language, which boils down to the one rule every newfag should know:

Lurk before posting

>>55414

They are publicly accessable references and I looked at them. Calling them "my" references has a slightly different meaning I didn't mean to convey. What would be different in a non-restrictive relative clause?

I don't know about you but I usually don't consciously recognize most commas when quickly reading something, so it won't help much, and it's too much of a hassle to double-check everything every time.

Also, why the hell is that such a big problem for you? Would you rather have even less people participate in the discussion?

There are a lot worse posts in about every second thread, and you do nothing else but complain about my writing, likey because my opinion is different than yours. How is my writing in any way important for the thread as long as it's clear what I mean?

>>55417

This is a meta discussion on an English imageboard. Your poor English and posting habits are clear signs of someone who isn't familiar with the language and imageboards in general. At best your place in a meta thread is demonstrating the joke newfags become when they aren't taught to lurk before posting.

>How is my writing in any way important for the thread as long as it's clear what I mean?

That's the problem: it often isn't clear and wastes more time to parse than valid English. Some posts are so bad that anons who otherwise withheld their opinions showed up just to mock your English. You've already generated a substantial chunk of /hypno/'s audio OC and if you keep this up you'll probably inspire more.

>>55420

See, that's exactly why this board is in this situation.

People - it could as well be a single person in this case - don't seem to care for the purpose of the thread, no matter if it's a meta discussion or something else, going on endlessly about OT stuff and derailing every single thread.

And since there is no rule against grammar errors, I don't see an issue other than annoying some ocd anons. I'm no newfag either.

If the sissies, the redditors, the newfags and basically everyone else is the problem, maybe the real problem is someone else entirely.

>>55421

>See, that's exactly why this board is in this situation.

Guess what? Boards can still go to shit when moderators force people rigidly on-topic, sometimes even from moderators being overzealous about this. /sp/'s sports bar analogy and the retarded vols who inspired it are a famous example of the latter. People calling your English shit are not the reason /hypno/ is declining.

>I'm no newfag either.

Again, newfag is a state of mind. Some people leave it quickly while others spend fucking years stuck in it. You don't understand the board, its culture, or even its language, yet you stride into a meta thread and demand they heed your wisdom, ironically with mannerisms so distracting you end up starting and participating in the very behaviour you insist is the thing ruining /hypno/. If you're right, wouldn't this make you a major part of the problem?

>sissies, the redditors, the newfags

Not coincidentally, all three groups have a lot of overlap.

>>55423

>participating in the very behaviour you insist is the thing ruining /hypno/

At least you noticed it. Yes, the two of us discussing my grammar without any mod stepping in is a perfect example of what I think is ruining /hypno/. The whole thread should be deleted from the point onwards where this argument started.

>>55424

>The whole thread should be deleted from the point onwards where this argument started.

There's still on-topic posts past that point and posts with a mixture of the two.

Not only are you an unintentional demonstration of your own point, but mine as well. My position is that the breakdown of board culture leads to new users jumping in without the usual lurking period, who then misbehave, create bad threads, and disrupt existing threads. If unchecked by moderation past a certain point the growing number of misbehaving newfags gradually wears down the board, whose anons grow numb from dealing with so many similar cases.

As to what is and isn't derailment, there's a bit of a grey area and sometimes derailment is tolerated. Talking negatively or asking questions about a thread's topic isn't necessarily derailment either. This actually ties into why the BO joined this thread in the first place: to mention people were reporting anti-sissy posts for distinctly newfaggy reasons. (((Coincidentally))) the people in this discussion displaying newfag tells (getting the board name wrong, saging in a meta thread + treating sages as downvotes, and so on) are also trying to get posts critical of sissies removed in a roundabout way by insisting they're offtopic or derailment.

>>55428

Critical posts and derailment are obviously not the same, and of course the mod needs to decide where to make the distinction whether deletion is still warranted.

More than three successive OT posts are probably a good sign the thread is too far off its track. The previous argument most definitely was.

Also, something not commonly being done a certain way does not mean there is no point in doing it that way.

If no one ever changed there wouldn't be any progress. Are you not interested in progress?

>>55430

>Also, something not commonly being done a certain way does not mean there is no point in doing it that way.

None of your or the /hypno guy's suggestions are new (maybe aside from the tagging system) and they range from obvious shit any half-decent board with enough vols does to common newfag suggestions that ruined every board dumb enough to try them.

>If no one ever changed there wouldn't be any progress. Are you not interested in progress?

Of course I am, that's why I'm speaking against changes with terrible track records on imageboards.

Arguing about commas and grammar isnt productive here. I'm not the board operator/moderator. Nor am I being sarcastic when I said:

All sissy, B4mb1, and 54m4nth4 B4nd|3r content should be swept into one nasty cubbyhole. The rest of the threads should be all regular non-sissy hypno.

Too much metashit and not enough filesharing. This fetish has too many crazies.

It's been like this since ODP, there's an explosion in filesharing followed by takedowns and people getting lazy. Myself definitely included. When the filesharing stops all that's left it metadramu.

Do we really need this image of barf-girl pinned to the top for some reason?

Lol at whoever made this a sticky

>>55552

>Lol at whoever made this a sticky

It does explain the current state of the board concisely.

>>55580

Probably not before the BO has found a mod he trusts and decided how he's going to organize the transitioning period. I don't expect there to be any quick changes. The BO bears a lot of responsibility for the board and should be reasonably careful in executing any major rearrangement of it.

>>55231

Another possible alternative would be for each of the genres within the broad category to be allowed individual genre threads, but not individual tist threads. This way, they could still be on the front page, but the number of threads would be greatly reduced. There would also still be nuance between the genres, rather than everything being in one thread, which could get crowded. A tist would fall under this rule if their work is primarily focused on those genres, not if they just have a few.

ITT a bunch of “oldfags” resort to begging for mods to protect them from literal sissies. Can’t make this shit up.

Feel free to nuke the board so you can watch videos of pornstars pretending to be hypnotised, and delude each other into thinking hypnosis is mind control.

Maybe the reason you hate the sissy hypno so much is that it hits a little close to home? At least the sissies accept they’re faggots.

>>55641

The problem with that is, that many tists span various categories and you'd have a hard time focusing on one tist you like.

Also artist threads are among the most consistently contributed to ones in the catalog.

Maybe threads which go nowhere after a certain time frame could just be deleted, so there are not as many very short artist threads that are still in accordance with the rules but no longer contributed to and don't contain meaningful discussions.

>>55643

A key difference between the "oldfags" and you is that they posted arguments instead of strawmen.

>>55646

You mean quality arguments like “go back to reddit” and “sissies REEEE”?

Explain to me how removing half the board’s content is going to bring back the good old days.

Fact is, you can only make so many vanilla HFO files before it gets stale. Hypno is a natural fit for those who seek to steadily expand their sexual depravity and explore more extreme taboos. Just turns out crossdressing and bisexuality is a very popular route for this, probably because it’s accessible and starts out less extreme than other more niche fetishes.

If you want to see a larger variety of hypno on the board then you’d better start finding or creating your own. There’s a lot of non-sissy stuff out there still, the problem is that a lot of it is old as fuck, and much of the new stuff has been done before.

What do you actually want to see on this board? Frankly, I’m bored of sissy shit too, but until there’s something to actually compete with it what’s the point in just emptying the board?

>>55684

>respond to a post accusing someone of making strawmen

>stuff your own post full of them

topkek

>>55684

>You mean quality arguments like “go back to reddit” and “sissies REEEE”?

Posts like those aren't exactly winning favor with me either. I mean arguments like "a small group taking up all the space will drive away people not in that group." Do you disagree?

>Explain to me how removing half the board’s content is going to bring back the good old days.

It won't. I don't want to remove their content, I want a way to better contain or organize it. One of the qualities of "the good old days" was that there was a variety of discussions on page one, unlike today.

>If you want to see a larger variety of hypno on the board then you’d better start finding or creating your own.

The vast majority of people are consumers, not creators. If an industry starts pumping out poor quality products, and people are unhappy with it, the response shouldn't be to tell the consumers to build factories and figure out how to produce the product that they like. I agree that creative people among the consumers should take that opportunity to seize the hole left in the market, but it's not an option for most people.

>There’s a lot of non-sissy stuff out there still, the problem is that a lot of it is old as fuck, and much of the new stuff has been done before.

In your opinion, why do you think non-audio sites like Hypnohub still have brand new content with a much more realistic straight/other ratio to this day? Meanwhile, if you look exclusively here or at current audio file trends, you'd think that heterosexuality was a coin toss.

>What do you actually want to see on this board? Frankly, I’m bored of sissy shit too, but until there’s something to actually compete with it what’s the point in just emptying the board?

I think that in the board's current state, other things may have too little opportunity to take root and eventually compete. Again, there will be no emptying of the board. In the short term, I want the board to be better organized, and therefore more inviting to make posts on. There shouldn't be so much digging to find something of interest. In the long term, I want to see a greater variety of all kinds of posts. We're little more than a filesharing board right now, which is likely cyclically contributing because of audio market trends. In fact, everything being so focused on filesharing may have created a similar stagnation problem on a larger scale. Only, it gets ignored by everyone, because everyone likes filesharing.

If you want to see a smaller proportion of sissy posts, but don't want to do anything to mitigate them, then how would you go about introducing other kinds of posts so that the balance happens naturally? How do you get users to make other kinds of posts? How do you get users to do anything but share audio files?

>>55712

Not him, but I might as well pipe in.

>In your opinion, why do you think non-audio sites like Hypnohub still have brand new content with a much more realistic straight/other ratio to this day? Meanwhile, if you look exclusively here or at current audio file trends, you'd think that heterosexuality was a coin toss.

Artfags either make the drawings they want or take commissions, then upload their work for free viewing by all. Hypnotists, on the other hand, typically put their files behind paywalls and need to convince buyers to fork out cash for their shit. Why make something original when you can pander to a perpetually unsatisfied group with poor self-control and rake in the dosh?

>We're little more than a filesharing board right now, which is likely cyclically contributing because of audio market trends.

Can confirm, most files shared here (including sissy and feminization stuff) are the same files reuploaded over and over as volafile uploads expire and mega links get DMCA'd. Our filesharing scene is split between RetroShare and the leftover anons begging for scraps.

>>55724

>>55712

And another thing: there's definitely more people getting off to drawings of hypnotized women than those wanting to be hypnotized or willing to try it. It's common enough that many lewd artists do at least a couple hypnotized girls even when it isn't their main thing, and OP was likely part of this audience.

It's actually kind of surprising that we have no image threads here, especially after /hypno/'s great loli purge. They're a staple of fetish boards and imageboards in general, yet these days even reaction images are rare here.

>>55725

Image threads aren't really needed, because either halfchan's /h/, /d/, or /aco/ have a hypno related thread at all times, most of the time it's even more.

/hypno/ is primarily focused on erotic hypnosis and filesharing thereof these days.

I guess the OP was expecting more hypnosis mind control porn, which is a niche that's too specific and probably low quality/simplistic to fill a whole board.

I'd also appreciate more/better discussions, but what is there even left to discuss?

We've had discussions about morally questionable practices, listening habits, rankings, various niches, specific artists, what qualifies as hypno, and so on.

If someone has a good topic, an example be it hypothetical, and a little bit of an opinion, feel free to create a thread.

In the meantime we are pretty much lost for impulses. There is nothing really new, or we haven't gotten to it yet, and the artists which are still active don't seem to produce very revolutionary files.

We've gotten accustomed to this once interesting fetish and a "seen it all before" kind of mindset seems to be taking over.

I don't think there's any one group to blame for this.

The immediate solution would be some kind of news or breakthrough, but I doubt that's gonna happen.

>>55740

>we rarely discuss … hypnosis techniques in general.

This is why it would have been nice to see /mind/ get off the ground. It's not as though /hypno/ is any less of a sissy circlejerk cesspool than six months ago when that board was created.

>>55756

/mind/'s name and scope were more suited for a general than a board. If they started a general like sensible people or just made some fucking threads they'd have some actual progress by now.

>>55765

What about creating a sissyhypno or girlyhypno board? That would send the people you don't want to see over there.

>>55774

There is already not much activity here. Splitting off some of the most active threads won't help much in getting a better more active community.

Hypnosis is not big enough to maintain several boards in my opinion.

Just look at the other attempts at separating the "straight" hypno stuff to it's own board. How would the opposite be any more successful?

In the end the few people permanently interested in hypno are going to stay here either way.

>>55774

There's already >>>/sissy/ .

>>55781

Seeing some of the ugly faggots on that board in dresses and makeup should be a wake-up call to anyone who thinks they'll somehow turn into a cute anime girl.

Fucking goblins, almost all of them.

>>55789

>>55790

How are these images important for the discussion?

Nobody wants to see them here, not now, nor in the future. Images of sissies, as opposed to hypnosis containing feminizing suggestions, are not relevant to this board and therefore should not be posted.

They are over there because they are accepted there and it's good that way.

What do you even care how a person listening to any hypnosis looks like?

Erotic hypnosis is about a fantasy just like porn. Or are you the kind of person to constantly think about how uncomfortable a position has to be for the actors while fapping to their fake orgasms?

>>55792

>How are these images important for the discussion?

>Images of sissies, as opposed to hypnosis containing feminizing suggestions, are not relevant to this board and therefore should not be posted.

Great job ignoring the context, sagenigger

>What do you even care how a person listening to any hypnosis looks like?

>it's just a fantasy

Your appearance is partially genetics, partially health and lifestyle choices (both of which play a greater role than people believe), and Soren Kierkegaard describes despair as the state of not willing to be oneself. These people are in despair over their current state, but their despair is an active, defiant despair: instead of dealing with their underlying issues they try remolding themselves into new, feminine selves. They hammer themselves with hypnosis files, take hormones, and surround themselves with fellow feminizationfags who insist they're beautiful, all to convince themselves this is more than just a fantasy.

They haven't. The despair is still there, all they've really achieved is greater disconnection and self-delusion. Their suicide rate remains staggeringly high in the most transgender-friendly countries and yet shitters still believe encouraging their delusion is the loving option.

Having fantasies is not bad, but some fantasies are fucking retarded and ruin people who try achieving them in real life. Most feminization files and communities don't see it as a fantasy but a real goal anyone can achieve.

>>55798

>[unnecessarily long paragraph of nothingness]

The problems of these people, even though I agree with your assessment of them, are not relevant to this board.

Nobody is here to save the world, but everyone here shares the common interest of hypnosis, and whatever the type of hypnosis may be, it's at home on a hypnosis board as long as it isn't specifically excluded, which I don't see a distinct reason for.

Which images these people post elsewhere is of no concern to this community.

"We" don't exclude other people with self-destructive tendencies like becoming a brainless jock, a premature ejaculator, or even a helpless slave to women either, because what people do with their fetishes and fantasies is their problem and not ours.

Don't be so obsessive about sissies. They are not after you.

>>55800

>Don't be so obsessive about sissies. They are not after you.

>ignoring an argument to make a 'who hurt you haha' post

>>>/reddit/

>>55808

You heard him, he's on board with it.

>>55818

Maybe you start reading the full posts you are quoting instead of just the first and last sentence.

>>55837

Not that guy but I habitually sage unless I'm specifically trying to keep a thread alive on halfchan, which is almost never.

>>55837

>Still tries to discredit the poster instead of at least attempting to deal with the arguments, making the own incapability all too recognizable.

Pathetic!

>>55643

>le reddit spacing faec

Look the fact of the matter is most of you have never posted on 4chan back before it was a glorified chatroom. You can't manage a slow bbs/imageboard like you manage modern 4chan. People were either never there or they've forgotten.

Old threads have to be deleted. Redundant threads have to be deleted. There's not enough posters to just coast on high post counts. The community just dies splintered between 30 threads with one or two posts a day. You have to prune these little boards to keep them alive. Like a beautiful baby rose bush.

If you've never read "Marked for deletion (old)" you don't know what you're talking about.

>>55842

I use it to signify OT posts.

>>55844

>old threads

We have an archive for a reason.

Yes, redundant threads should be deleted but old, long, high quality ones should go to the archive for later reference.

If they are not worthy of it, deletion is probably the right measure.

>>55808 here

being a bit more serious, i agree with >>55844

like look at this fucker right here >>55838

that should be deleted and maybe redirected to a request thread, or a specifically sissy request thread

look at the few other generals though and they're keeping all the relevant posts in one area

while i like the stuff to some extent, i've been convinced by the posts here that the ecosystem is better with good pruning - i want to see more high-quality general discussion of hypnosis too

outright deletion of popular, sensible threads would either metastasise and spread the shit into every thread, or kill off the board altogether

compare it to actual IRL immigration - immigrants move to an area, make it worse because they tend to be poor, all the natives move out, and then the area turns into a proper ghetto

if you select for only high quality immigrants, some nice variety in local restaurants and that's it

>>55846

>We have an archive for a reason.

Yeah to kill the board. Auto archiving slow boards didn't exist back in the day. While pruning a slow board does create reposts what it does is compel the posters to keep posting. That's what keeps a place alive.

Between textboards that archive everything forever and imageboards that ephemerally let content die, who won out? The cruft of archives create insular circlejerks that are poor parodies of community.

>>55850

I don't think a lot of people actually use the archive at all, but I still like having it, just in case something needs to be looked up.

Also it's horrible to navigate, making anything but very important searches not worthwhile.

>>55843

The thread is going in circles. His complaint and the post he was responding to were retreads of things we've already talked about, and if I'd responded I'd just be restating my earlier posts.

>>55857

I still don't get why it was necessary to post the shitty images other than to show that the average sissy is not attractive to put it nicely.

Did we really need those images in this thread to prove that?

Also a guy even thinking about archiving such images from a discord is definitely obsessed about something.

It's amazing how petty horny motherfuckers can be online. Just shut the fuck up and go fap already jesus fuck.

>>55863

>keep bringing up

Asking a second time why we need to look at a load of ugly pics in a meta thread without getting an answer the first time.

Seems legit.

I furthermore don't think the usual anon is stupid enough to take sexual pictures of themselves and upload them to the internet. At least I wouldn't do it.

>>55858

>>55875

>I still don't get why it was necessary to post the shitty images other than to show that the average sissy is not attractive to put it nicely. Did we really need those images in this thread to prove that?

That wasn't my main intention, but given your reaction it helped.

>Also a guy even thinking about archiving such images from a discord is definitely obsessed about something.

I expected a much smaller server and figured /cow/ might be interested, but balked after realizing how many selfies there were.

>I furthermore don't think the usual anon is stupid enough to take sexual pictures of themselves and upload them to the internet

The average anon isn't that stupid, but twinks and feminizationfags? Definitely. Boards like >>>/sissy/ and >>>/cuteboys/ are full of nude selfies.

>>55877

>Boards like >>>/sissy/ and >>>/cuteboys/ are full of nude selfies.

So basically there's a consensus these pictures don't belong here. So we've gotten just as far as we already were before they were posted according to the rules currently in place.

What a waste of time.

>>55879

>post pictures to illustrate an on-topic point that came up earlier

>somehow the pictures "don't belong here"

Do reaction images belong here either?

>>55881

There wasn't even a dispute about the nature of some sissies on the internet, so there was no point to prove.

The previous absence of these pictures on the board was the accepted status. By posting them a precedence case is set for adding more of them in random mostly unrelated discussions. Thereby the posts encourages the same behavior it aims to get rid off.

Reaction images are already a widely accepted part of image board culture and of course belong here - contrary to shitty sissy selfies.

>>55886

>There wasn't even a dispute about the nature of some sissies on the internet, so there was no point to prove.

There was a dispute, just one with anons other than yourself. The real issue was whether this nature had any effect on their posting habits and the BO's observations lead him to believe so, which is the main reason this thread is stickied.

>Thereby the posts encourages the same behavior it aims to get rid off.

There's a huge difference between posting someone else's face to illustrate a point and attention-whoring faggots posting themselves, sagenigger. It's like the difference between Mark posting his own selfies and anons reposting them to call him out on his faggotry. And guess what? Last I checked, Mark hasn't used this to excuse posting new selfies even if the fucking faggot missed the real message.

If sissies are actually stupid enough to use this as an excuse to post their own selfies here, they're painting an even bigger target on themselves.

>>55891

So, the goal of the poster is the reason some content is acceptable or not?

In that case new mods are going to have a whole lot more to do than initially suspected.

This is predetermined to end in chaos.

You can't just exclude yourself from judgement because you think you aren't one of (((them))).

Gonna pipe in as someone who does IRL hypnosis with my wife. I'd love for there to be more actual hypnosis technique discussions as this board helped me get started in the first place with a book recommendation. I hate the fuck out of sissy shit but I'll admit sometimes good shit does come out of it (B4mb1 gave me some great things to try out with my wife recordings-wise). I have doubts about outright banishing it (fullchan /d/ died a death of a thousand fetishes this way) but a containment cyclical sounds ideal for corraling retarded newdags into place sounds perfect for allowing an audience outside of sissy shit to have room to breathe.

To be honest, I think there’s just a major lack of fresh creativity in erotic hypnosis at the moment.

There’s only so much novel behaviour changes you can get out of hypno, and I’d wager the reason sissy hypno is so popular is because it encourages the most extreme behaviour changes for a typical male. That’s certainly what made it attractive to me when I started getting bored of other hypno files.

I’m a heterosexual male, so the headspace journey to getting off at the idea of sucking cock and shit was naturally a substantially longer one than something much more compatible with my more vanilla desires, and it involved listening to lots of different files that were steadily more extreme. You can’t just dive straight into full on faggotry. It was fun for a while, but eventually I started hitting hard limits and didn’t fancy actually fucking up my life so I couldn’t really go any further.

Point I’m trying to make is, sissification is a popular and established wormhole to get sucked into, and I can’t really think of anything else in the hypno scene that provides a journey on the same scale.

Some other kinks do have natural progression to them but there’s nowhere near the same potential for development and the pitiful selection of hypno sessions for them shows it, and nobody is really innovating when it comes to creating new goals and experiences that can be achieved with hypnosis.

>>55972

<Too "straight" to even allow oneself to think about sexual openness.

Are you scared of other forms of sexuality? Does envisioning them already tempt you too much?

>>55976

No one said you had to do it, but questioning another anon's sexuality because he is open to imaginarily sucking a cock under certain specific circumstances, namely forced feminization hypnosis, is still not necessary.

>>55976

no

avoiding weighing it up it makes you more of a fag because you're afraid you'll enjoy it, no reason to be afraid if you're definitely straight

some people enjoy the idea of having their preferences changed involuntarily, and the guy's saying it's sad that the only popular manifestation of this concept in hypnosis is the faggotry route

there's all sorts of versions of that idea which would be 100% straight but just weird/kinky, but they seem absent

>>55986

And I forget to mention, in order to further reinforce this concept that sissy is a "straight" man's fetish. I am aware of no male hypnotists that do sissy shit, it's always a female. This means inherently the idea has to be at least a bisexual man's fetish as there's no reason a faggot would want to be hypnotized by a woman, they'd want a dom not a domme. How many of these sissy fetishists actually act out the ideal sissy fantasy is a question that can't be answered reasonably as most fetishists wouldn't answer the question honestly if they've partaked in irl gay things.

That's certainly not true. Take "Major Pixel" & "S4rn0g4" for example.

>>55974

>>55984

"If you don't want to stab yourself in the eye it's only because you're secretly afraid you'll enjoy getting stabbed in the eye."

>>55990

Maybe you like getting stabbed with a cock. Just try it.

Doing it with your own one may prove to be quite hard though.

>>55991

>If you consider STDs, assdamage, and low life expectancy safe, sure.

Those are all side effects of actual homo behavior which is impossible the 1st is impossible to achieve if you're doing it solo and the second is easy to avoid if you're not a complete dumbass as far as anal safety (which you would know if you ever wanted to safely fuck a girl in the ass) the third just being a consequence of the first and second. In addition, multilation would lower you lifespan far more depending on the type and scat would directly lead to more diseases no matter whose scat it is. It's ''comparitively" safer than the others. Unless you can think of another fetish that is more "extreme" and less dangerous than sissy.

>>55994

>(which you would know if you ever wanted to safely fuck a girl in the ass)

Great, now he can't have anal sex anymore without thinking he might be gay. Or to put it differently:

He's fucked now.

>>55993

"Maybe you like stabbing yourself in the eye. Just try it."

>>55972

Already some good replies to this but as I'm the anon you're responding to I'll give my own perspective on how indulging in a forced bi hypno fantasy isn't the same thing as being a homosexual.

Not gonna lie, when I was exploring this fetish I did routinely question my sexuality, and even worried I was suffering from some sort of genuine gender dysphoria. It wasn't helped by attitudes like yours, nor the types that seem to dogmatically celebrate transgenderism and like to diagnose you as trans the moment you show a hint of being anything other than entirely masculine, which I'm convinced will only lead to a massive amount of extremely depressed dudes that chopped their dicks and later regret it. But in the end, after thinking about it a bunch, it's only made me more secure in my sexuality, and I'll tell you why.

The first flaw in assuming I'm gay is that I'm just not sexually attracted to men. I have to be deep into a submissive, feminised headspace before the mental image of me sucking a dick is even remotely attractive. And the reason that can be a turn on isn't because it's a dick and I like dick. It's because the idea of being forcibly feminized to such an extreme is a turn on. It's humiliating, and submissive, and so fucking wrong that it's exciting. If I normally enjoyed sucking cock, I wouldn't get any of that.

Secondly, why on earth would I even bother to hide my sexuality if I were gay? I've already admitted to thinking about sucking cock and getting banged by dudes. Do you really think I'm scared of strangers on the internet thinking I might be gay? Or is your assumption just that I'm some kind of retard? Nah man. The reason I said I'm straight is because that's just a more accurate description of my sexuality.

A very large part of the feminization fetish for me relies heavily on my desire for girls. I'm a lonely loser fapping to porn online. I fantasize endlessly about girls and how cute, sexy and overwhelmingly attractive they can be. In a way, feminization at least lets me be that sexy slut that does all the things I desire in my male fantasies. Maybe you think it's sad as fuck but, in a sense, with hypnosis and my imagination I have access to and full control of my dream chick.

And practically all of this was pure imagination. I did purchase some clothing and toys to enhance certain experiences, but I've never had any desire to go out and fuck a real guy. I don't even like listening to hypnos with male voices - because for me it's all about the reversal of the traditional male/female dominant/submissive roles, which requires a female in the dominant position, not a male.

I don't think there's any real denying that there's an overlap between transsexual individuals and those that enjoy the feminization/sissification fetish. Certainly those who are more open with thoroughly exploring their sexuality are naturally more likely to discover that a kink may be more than a kink, and I think many people do end up confused and insecure, but not everyone. Like I said, for me, in the end it's only made me more sure what I want. And not because I'm just scared of trying other things, either. Rather, because I have tried them, and discovered precisely where my limits lie.

As far as I'm concerned, my experience with hypnosis was overwhelmingly successful, and exactly what this board should be about. That's why I really don't like the idea of neutering "sissy" content just because some people complain it's all just degenerate faggotry. Fact is, there's some genuinely good shit in there. It's not all just tranny porn.

>>55984

And to get back on topic, and not turn this into yet another "sissies are just fags" thread, yes. This is exactly what I'm saying.

I don't need to be hypnotised into imagining a hot chick giving me a blowjob, and I've found files which claim to force some kind of change based in physical behaviour don't work as well as things that can (at least initially) be entirely imagined/pretend, because the expectation of immediate behaviour change clashes with reality.

Sissy hypno has some major advantages in this regard. As a guy, I can't compare my "imagined reality" of being feminine with what it's really like to be female-minded, so I'm free to imagine whatever I want without knowing it's not real, so to speak, and giving up. It also doesn't require any initial physical actions at all to indulge in, but when you do start acting outside of just your imagination, there are lots of ways you can do that in private, without any permanent or destructive behaviour, and with relatively readily available "props."

There's also shitloads of it. So you don't get bored listening to one session over and over again, and you can often find files that cater to your specific stage of progress, so you can continue to steadily push yourself towards more extreme things without any significant gaps. For example, there are files the simply suggest that you might like trying on some female underwear, and there are files that suggest you'd like getting gangbanged by 10 guys, but there's an almost endless amount of files between those such that you might find extreme files that previously repulsed you just end up the natural next little step. I can't find that when it comes to other fetishes. Often the starting point for an enjoyable experience with other fetish files is way outside of what is normal, presumably because these files are actually written and produced for people who already have the fetish, not as introductions.

There are a good bunch of general kinky/weird hypnos out there. I just find that most are waaaay too ambitious with what they're supposed to do, and so they don't really work. It can definitely be exciting to imagine them working, but it's not the same as them actually working by steadily and systematically changing your preferences to fully desire behaving in a different way.

>>56004

>You care enough to make giant walls of text, at least. While it may not 'scare' you, it certain does seem to upset you.

What makes you think I'm upset? The fact that I bothered to explain my thoughts? Sorry to tell you, but that's just because I enjoy writing and discussing things like this. Believe it or not I really don't care what you think, and as soon as I'm bored with the discussion I'll just move on.

>instead of say, listening to the myriad of hypnosis files made by dominant women with a *heterosexual* theme?

Oh, I see. There's nothing wrong with being a submissive pussy boi as long as you get to pretend you're still a manly man? And I'm the one in denial?

I mean, you do what you want, dude. If you really think you'll lose your masculinity by exploring your sexuality then it's fine if you stay away from it. Sounds a bit like you might be scared you'll turn gay, though.

>People are complaining because the front page is constantly flooded with one very niche, cult-like and self-destructive fetish.

I think it's fair if you don't want a front page full of sissy shit, but my point was that just because there are some people who will fuck themselves up, cut their dick off and ruin their lives while listening to hypnosis, that doesn't mean there's not a lot of value in the hypnosis itself and that it can't be explored by people who have an interest in hypno fetish without leading to that dick-chopping, life ruining end. i.e. people like me.

Instead of just whining about the impact the sissy fetish has had on the more general hypno fetish scene, it might be more productive to actually examine what makes sissy hypno so popular and effective in comparison to nearly everything else.

>>56010

Back again trying to discredit people, I see.

Who cares, if he's using improper spacing and where he's coming from. He's talking about hypnosis which this is a place for, and to be honest he's got some good points.

>>55990

there's a difference between thinking about something and not liking it, and avoiding thinking about something

i'm accusing you of the latter, not the former

there's also a distinction between something a decent number of normal people enjoy and something only the most extreme psycho would enjoy

nevertheless there are more valid points which could be made in favor of your post >>55972

but they're purely semantic

>>56010

i exclusively post on imageboards but i deliberately redditspace to trigger retards like yourself

it's also part of natural english writing - separating out paragraphs

retard

>>56026

>separating out paragraphs

And yet you separate out sentences.

>>56027

a paragraph is as long as you want it to be

trying to debate me on english grammar?

>>56010

When you can't indent, adding an extra line between paragraphs is the only clear way to show their distinction. It's not Reddit so much as any place with basic text posting.

>>54938

About two weeks late, but I just realized something. This motherfucker types exactly like V1v3 did when he posted on newfapchan semi-regularly a couple years back.

>>56035

Man, I thought he stopped posting here after his spergout over losing the "best hypnotist" contest.

>>56035

he makes a valid point though and it's easy to be distracted by some of the pussyfied things it sounds like he's saying if you don't pay attention

outright, unrefined shitposting is bad for any board, or it just becomes another flavour of /b/

telling someone to kill themselves without any additional content is a shitpost, no dispute

telling someone they're a fucking retard and they should kill themselves as part of an argument where you're actually posting content is what i'd expect from an anonymous board - wanting mods to ban harsh language like that is fucking gay and you should kill yourself and GTFO from anonymous boards if you agree with that idea

>>56043

Kill yourself, nigger.

>>56026

They're confused about what the like and dislike.

"Reddit spacing" is spacing for dramatic effect, as if we were waiting with bated breath for the next amazing piece of suburban wisdom about having a positive attitude and doing the right thing. It's the textual equivalent of *teleports behind you.*

Spacing of paragraphs, however, is necessary for long posts, and the same retards would complain about a wall of text if you didn't space things out. So in conclusion, no say long thing make think hard and stuff.

>>55231

> The group we cater to is anons.

Thank you.

>>55233 (checked)

> My worry is, that this applies to tists as well.

At least two anons are working towards becoming capable hypnotists. I'm one and another anon posted >>54980 so there's at least one other anon on this path.

> We would already have less problems, if the thread creation discipline was higher.

This is where the influx of newfags becomes a problem, since newfags, by definition, do not understand imageboard culture at best and actively bring bad habits with them at worst. Reddit, for example, encourages starting new threads for everything, since reddit namefag points are counted separately for threads and replies.

>>55255 (checked)

> the problem isnot the huge amount of sissy/findom hypno, it is the lack of "normal" one

I think you've found the root cause, but the only real solution is for anons to step up and make better content instead of just lazily pirating the shit that goons put out for quick profit.

>>55265

> >muh SB

> His convoluted, deceptive clusterfuck doesn't need any more analysis or attention.

On this, I must disagree - unpacking and analyzing SB's techniques can still be useful, as a means to support warning anons away from SB if nothing else.

>>55684

> you'd better start finding or creating your own.

Working on it, but I ask for per-project threads for Anon projects, with the usual rule that when a thread reaches bump limit, a new one can be made for discussion to continue. For now, I've been shilling the project in seemingly related threads in hopes of stirring up more discussion, but there hasn't been much.

>>55724

> Artfags either make the drawings they want or take commissions, then upload their work for free viewing by all. Hypnotists, on the other hand, typically put their files behind paywalls and need to convince buyers to fork out cash for their shit. Why make something original when you can pander to a perpetually unsatisfied group with poor self-control and rake in the dosh?

Maybe this is a better way to recognize Anon hypnotists? Anons make what they want to make and release the files for free use by all. Non-anons put their files behind paywalls and play to trends.

> Our filesharing scene is split between RetroShare and the leftover anons begging for scraps.

Then filesharing should go to RetroShare, with a thread for RetroShare introductions to get new anons into the RetroShare rings, while /hypno/ becomes a base for discussion.

>>55984

> there's all sorts of versions of that idea which would be 100% straight but just weird/kinky, but they seem absent

List a few. I or another anon might be able to use some of them.

>>56035

> This motherfucker types exactly like V1v3 did when he posted on newfapchan semi-regularly a couple years back.

Is that also the style of V1v3's scripts? Maybe that anon simply used V1v3's files enough to pick up V1v3's style. I know my style changes if I've read a long text just before typing.

Perhaps what would be most generally useful then would be the pooling of various resources to make creating new content as effortless as possible. Anons can then make their own custom scripts/files and share them here for others as well.

I’ve looked into creating my own custom mp3s before now, and while I find writing scripts is fairly easy, I’ve become accustomed to the various bells and whistles included in a lot of premium files, like binaurals, subliminals, and other various effects such that any mp3 I generate is extremely bland by comparison when lacking these features.

Thing is, I can’t imagine actually constructing new files with these features takes significantly more effort once access to various resources is obtained and a good workflow is established, so if Anons are prepared to share such things (and not be tempted to simply start selling end products created with them) then we could end up with a healthier community of actual creators, and not have to rely solely on those who merely have the technical means to create high quality mp3s.

>>56110

>On this, I must disagree - unpacking and analyzing SB's techniques can still be useful, as a means to support warning anons away from SB if nothing else.

People have been doing that for years now, long enough that the only people left in SB threads are analyzers and people who want SB's weird fuckery.

>Then filesharing should go to RetroShare, with a thread for RetroShare introductions to get new anons into the RetroShare rings, while /hypno/ becomes a base for discussion.

Come to think of it, why don't we have a cyclical RetroShare thread? The OP could have a brief introduction and guide to setting it up.

>>56055

>the thing which makes imageboard culture superior to reddit is the formatting itself and not the lack of censorship

missing the point retard

>>56126

Nigger the point was that his formatting was awful regardless of whether it was deliberate. Censorship has fuckall to do with it. You might as well say the thing which makes 'Murrica superior to India is its relative freedom of speech and not the lack of people shitting on streets. Both are pretty fucking big and smearing shit all over yourself is still smearing shit all over yourself even if you're doing it ironically to annoy people.

>>56128

without being retarded the equivalent in the real world is accent

if reddit spacing pisses you off to the same extent to someone covering themselves in shit in your presence then you have mental issues

>>56129

>making a new paragraph for every sentence is the same as having an accent

>if you think this is fucking retarded you have mental issues

>>56112

> Perhaps what would be most generally useful then would be the pooling of various resources to make creating new content as effortless as possible.

Yes.

> Anons can then make their own custom scripts/files and share them here for others as well.

This is what mindwriters was supposed to be, but that didn't happen, for reasons that this anon predicted.

> I’ve looked into creating my own custom mp3s before now, and while I find writing scripts is fairly easy

Interesting, care to share any? It'll be some time, but I'm looking for stuff to use as TTS tests, and reading other scripts will probably help me to learn to write the scripts I want.

> like binaurals, subliminals, and other various effects such that any mp3 I generate is extremely bland by comparison when lacking these features.

What do you mean by "various effects"?

>I can’t imagine actually constructing new files with these features takes significantly more effort once access to various resources is obtained and a good workflow is established

The catch is that those features tend to be specific to a file and not generally reusable. A subliminal reinforcement track, for example, probably needs to reinforce what this file is about and not something else from some other file. unless of course you're SB and all your files are a giant deceptive clusterfuck with background tracks in the background tracks

> if Anons are prepared to share such things (and not be tempted to simply start selling end products created with them)

This is pretty much the difference between Anon and not-Anon - sharing is Anonymous behavior, sales is not.

> we could end up with a healthier community of actual creators, and not have to rely solely on those who merely have the technical means to create high quality mp3s.

This is missing a point and neglecting the power of Anonymous. Why should only one anon be expected to always do the whole process? We can pass partial work around, too. Perhaps there are several anons who can mix a high quality result, but those anons aren't so good at coming up with new scripts or have voices that just don't work for this? An anon could record or synthesize - not-shit TTS is a specialty all its own - another anon's script and a third anon put that voice track into a final mix.

Even simply passing around script ideas could be helpful - I've asked for ideas for TTS test files and gotten only silence.

< TTS test files - short simple sessions with temporary posthypnotic effects, not necessarily erotic, perhaps even simply silly, like "your skin is neon green for the next hour"

>>56119

> the only people left in SB threads are analyzers and people who want SB's weird fuckery

Anons might also be able to use some of SB's techniques in our own files as well. The interactions between the analyzers and people who want SB's weird fuckery are also an occasional source of lulz. And remember, Anonymous does it for teh lulz.

honestly and truly, how are so many of you literally fucking retarded and crazy

>>56130

>this thing is bad because it shows you're from reddit but is inherently not a problem

>therefore it's comparable to smearing oneself in shit

>>56170

The point was that giving each sentence a new line is fucking retarded no matter what site you're from or using. This is an imageboard, not an IRC channel or some faggy (((Discord))) room.

>big obnoxious linebreaks to make your posts fucking giant to try to get people to pay attention to them

This is why reddit spacing was frowned upon before anyone ever called it reddit spacing.

It's been almost a month since the BO decided on option #2 and asked for vols.

And Barf Girl is still pinned to the top of the page. It's not much of a welcome.

>>56463

I think he still asked for further input.

Maybe he's gotten something different than what he wanted to read and changed his mind. We cannot know for sure.

I'm tryin' to post something like OP was describing.

wwwDOTxvideosDOTcom/video19187125/cum_in_mouth_compilation

Yo, third chick in, 0:56 looks like she is

pretending to be in a trance fairly well..

Anyone know the source?

>>56529

wwwDOTyoujizzDOTcom/videos/riley-reid-cross-eyed-blowjob-41770721.html

Enjoy..

>>54439

>>54532

Holy fuck, fucking this.

This board has to have the worst type of hypno genre. I want either sexy bitches hypnotizing me or sexy bitches getting hypnotized. Reddit's hypno boards are exponentially better. I swear this board must get flooded by total sissy losers who consume the absolute lowest denominator of the hypno genre.

Fucking honestly>>54614

Wow, great thread. Thanks for reminding me why I never use this site anymore. You can all drown in sissy shit, you moronic fucks.

>>56631

>I never use this site anymore

Yes, I am sleeping.

>>56603

>I want either sexy bitches hypnotizing me or sexy bitches getting hypnotized

So you want standard porn from the typical porn studios but girls pretending to be hypnotized. Got it.

Where do you fucking morons come from thinking hypnosis is anything like that at all??? You don't want to be actually hypnotized, if you did there are plenty of tists posted and are regularly talked about/files shared. You want the standard shit you'll find on pornhub but with the "twist" being instead of acting like she's enjoying that porn actor's dick, you want her to act as if the porn actor is totally putting her into trance. Fucking lame shit.

>>56712

I just want thread expiration and just a little moderation to delete thread redundant thread creep.

Like the DR duplicate thread for example. Sissy shit is usually the worst offender, that's all.

Instead we have like 300 dead in all but name threads sitting around the board. That's not good.

>Check your email

Shit, thanks

>>57266

It isn't even just sissy stuff. The new mod if it's indeed the guy from this thread has a general aversion to anything which isn't "straight" by his definition.

He's probably going to start censoring stuff soon, if he can't even refrain from altering threads he doesn't like.

basically, this thread is too fucking long to read it all, but I agree with op and people of his kind.

ya're all a bunch of faggots! plebbit is better than the shit this board got turned into.

bye fags

>>57276

>oy vey he mocked my discord cult general's patreon link

>he's gonna censor us

The thread stays up until the BO makes a decision.

do you honestly think this BO has enough brain cells to be capable of decision making?

>>57266

>splitting an already slow board

No you just need to deal with what you don't like.

Everything done to contain thread sprawl and 8 pages of dead threads isn't done because I DON'T LIKE THING but rather it's done so the threads actually stay alive. You know, not dead.

Look, nobody is going to read this thread, and it is the first thing anyone finding this board from a search engine or whatever is going to see. Barf Girl is just not a good welcome-wagon.

>expect women getting hypnotized into fucktoys

>it's nothing more but faggots wanting to be sodomized by women

Mommy, mommy, there is this community who does what they want. They don't just cater to my tastes. And i wanted willing women to demonstrate i'm not the total pussy i behave like.

Mwahhhhhhhh!

Nobody listening to sissy hypno is remotely as gay or as much of a pussy as you are!

>>57325

>>>/reddit/

>>57327

He's right though.

Don't be such a pussy.

>>57334

>>57331

He kinda got you fag! You are as gay as it gets.

And your samefagging show how exposed you feel, little pussy.

>>57325

>>57330

>>57379

You really couldn't even be assed to change your vocabulary when samefagging? And then you accuse someone else of doing it?

>>57386

I've only written the second post you quoted. Would love to screenshot it for you, but chrome private sessions prevent doing so on Android.

You really like being called a pussy, don't you?

>>57421

Some people don't have the time to sit in front of their PC all day.

I've also exhaustively explained in why saging a sticky might be useful in some cases, but it seems the ignorance here is stronger than one could imagine.

>>57432

>Reddit faggot has been saging a sticky since the start

<only banned now

It's a god damn start but holy shit what a newfag you are, and no, "consistency" is not important you tard. Nobody does a quick check if a post is saged to see if it's relevant you faggot, the point of saging is to keep shit off the front page because it's nothing important has been added to the conversation. Once it's there though (or in this case, permanently on the front page) there is literally 0 reasons to do so.

>>57454

mmmmm newfag

>>55992

It ain't gay if you don't become a sissy or fuck another guy.

t. /pol/

>>57454

>Nobody does a quick check if a post is saged to see if it's relevant

A quick check?! Do you not recognize it right away?

I do and without knowing for sure I'm going to expect others to do so too, since there are no statistics on this that I'm aware of.

Unless you can provide a better point than your mere opinion why would it be any more important than mine?

>>57483

Evading?

As far as I know the ban must have been lifted. I didn't previously change my IP even though I could have easily done so trivially.

Most tools can be used in a number of ways. Just because you can't imagine more than one that doesn't mean the other options don't exist.

Narrow-mindedness does not lead to progress.

Why the hell did you even ban me? Because my opinion about using a board function is different than yours?

I guess we really needed such an objective and totally not quick-tempered mod.

>>57487

>Why the hell did you even ban me?

>newfag can't even read ban messages

>>57432

>(Useful for outing yourself as an idiot. Sages are not downvotes.)

>>57471

>(Your opinion is not important and sages are still not downvotes.)

>>57489

He's literally the same newfag that spelling the board as "/hypno" like the cancer he is, but of course, we wouldn't want to be anti-progressive here would we. Newfags aren't the ones who should change, it's the oldfags that are wrong :^)

>>57489

So, one question remains:

If saging isn't downvoting (which seems to be a given) why would it be a bad thing to have a way of marking a post as not directly relevant to the the thread but still worth posting (just like in every other thread but simply without affecting the obviously unchangeable catalog position of a stickied thread)?

Regardless of if it actually improves readability (in my opinion it does), when we got the option, why are we debating if it's usually done this way or that way. Either use it or don't. It's not hurting anyone other than mildly annoying people very attached to tradition.

In that way it is progressive. Just because people don't understand it or mock it, it doesn't mean that it isn't a good option. Having reservations is just as human as to err.

That saging a sticky is not simply ignored but can lead to an argument and bans is a much worse sign for the board than the initial "offense".

>>57493

>oldfags that are wrong

Just the ones who get easily offended, which as I've been told is against board culture.

>>57494

>why would it be a bad thing to have a way of marking a post as not directly relevant to the the thread but still worth posting

>muh readability

Because it's unnecessary, you ban-evading tard. Again, there's multiple reasons for saging and you won't know what they are until you actually look at the post. On a sticky there's three possibilities: anon left it on by accident, he thinks saging is a downvote, or he thinks it's a readability thing, and all three range from brain fart to incredibly fucking stupid.

I'm amazed you feel strongly enough about your

>muh tradition

If you don't like or respect it, why do you stay here? Get out.

>>57493

In the ban appeals he went from claiming he didn't know he was evading bans to something about not punishing other VPN users. If he really cared about them, he wouldn't abuse his VPN over something as stupid as his entitlement to sage stickies.

>>57497

There is a legitimate reason for saging stickies. While stickies as a group are pinned at the top of the catalog, they can still move with respect to other stickies. There was a time on /pol/ where nearly the entire first page was various stickies, and sageposting in the sticky threads was common to avoid bumping one sticky above the others for an "unimportant" post.

>bunch of fucking retards mod included project their own bagage onto sage

lel this is why 4chan made it invisible

Protip: sage does nothing. That's it's job, to do nothing. Everything else you lump onto that is pure projection.

>>57513

>still doubling down on being a retarded newfag

>defending cuckchan

Well, I guess we know where your next stop is. At least it would be, if you weren't so emotionally invested in this thread.

>>57512

And that's only applicable when you have six million stickies like 8/pol/ did for a while. Granted, three stickies is already too many but one of them is locked and the other has been more or less dead and irrelevant for well over a year.

Come on, let's have this real estate back. Unpin already.

>>57612

>unpin the meta thread before the BO comes back

Genius idea.

>>55026

I have to witness animals having sex with each other. Neither have I noticed animals changing genders. It's all Man Made Horse shit.

Critters see humans as screwed up

Hypnosis really works. Started talking about Hypnosis and right away eveyone in here is talking about the Thread full of sissy shit.

Poof! Now your a sissy too.

>>57643

There are gay animals as well.

Don't know if there are any animals which are capable of perceiving a gender beyond an instinctual level, but if there are, why should natural permutations spare exactly that attribute?

>>57520

Yeah calling me a newfag isn't going to work while you exhibit the behavior of the ignorant people that got sahgay hidden in the first place.

You know back in the day on shitty halfchan boards we used to exploit a bug that made sage invisible, just so we could sage a thread without people like you chimping out over quite literally nothing.

>>57660

You're still upset?

Soon.

>>54864

what if i told you three letter agency is posting sissy stuff because hpyno is their territory, they don't want any open source stuff

>>57740

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're after you, or whatever.

You actually help them by feeding the myth.

The previous meta thread has been archived at https://archive.is/IlyHk

>>54933

<old /hypno/ was good because you could speak your mind

What was stopping you from doing it on current /hypno/ retard? It seems to me like you're just bullshitting and sucking up to the hotpocket.