/hypno/ - Hypnochan

>>48083

How about you eat a dick and cry yourself to sleep, poorfag.

>>48087

And who are you? A hypno-mistress?

>>48099

He/She probably is.

Just upset that her ridiculous, unrealistic prices aren't gonna give her what she wants and she isn't gonna be a millionaire in six months.

Honestly though, the crap some of these hypnotists put out and charge how much for it, you would think it was some life changing file. We all know by now only a handful are producing good content. If I think about all the files I have tried, the idea of how much money I would of spent on them, and most of them would of been useless! It's a joke.

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Yea, I don't particularly like her content, but the way Kinky5h1bby does it is great.

Free files and gets $$ from Patreon subscribers/donations, and she's actually involved with her community.

I wouldn't mind donating money to a hypno mistress like that, but I'm not going to spend money on a file which:

1) Probably sucks and has no effect at all.

2) Everyone else is just downloading it for free anyways.

But yea, the bigger problem is just that almost all of these hypno mistresses are lame as shit and I wouldn't want to give them any money anyways even if their files didn't suck ass.

>>48087

>WAH the content that takes me no money to produce NEEDS to cost this much otherwise I won't be able to afford rent in the bay area!!!

>>48175

You sound like a lonely person who pretends that they have an anime girl for a girlfriend.

>>48177

Mic, computer, time, talent, editing…. those don't magically happen all on their own. They cost. Time counts as an expense in all business markets.

Before you all bitch about if it's worth the prices, try making your own hypno file that doesn't suck ass. You're a bunch of ungrateful shits. Make files yourself if it's so fucking easy.

I don’t think the people downloading files here should necessarily be looked at as part of the market. That’s not to say piracy has no effect on sales, because of course it does. But the percentage of people who downloaded files here that would have bought them otherwise is likely small. I’m also not entirely sure whether hearing a file here has a negative or positive effects on sales. I feel like we’d need data in order to know. I’m leaning to negative, but I can see room for the hypnotist leaving enough of an impression for the person to be a common customer.

>>48180

I'm an ungrateful shit for not liking useless shit?

And I don't need to make a file, I'm not the one asking people for $60. And if I made a file that was great, it would have no bearing on whether the files I'm insulting were good or bad. They would still suck. In fact, if I made a good file, it would make their file suck even more. Who said it was easy? So a defense for something being shit is "it isn't easy" come back once you know what you are doing then.

The defenders of the hypno bitches make an argument more lame than the hypno bitches files. There is no hope for these people.

>>48179

They certainly don't. Especially talent and time. Neither were involved in making most hypno content.

Most of the good stuff I Like was given for free, or was less expensive than some of the garbage out there.

>>48189

Then keep your free shit and stop bitching. The world and hypnotists owe you nothing. YOU sound so much more fucking entitled than the tists asking for $60. Grow some balls.

>>48188

You sound like you're 13 years old. Go ask your mommy for your allowance.

HAHAHA!

You get completely obliterated then you come back with that useless brain dead crap.

Go do something else you suck at even attempting to defend over priced rip off crap, and you suck at trolling too if that's all your here for.

>>48195

You sound like a repulsive person in real life. There is no doubt in my mind that you are single.

>>48190

stop posting any time and go back to wherever u came from anytime

This is hilarious. Look, this niche is not immune to rules of markets that applies to any business. Producers can ask any price they want. Customers can buy or choose not to buy. Not a rocket science. If you dont like the price, dont buy. If you are producer and the the revenue does not satisfy you then change your prices, marketing or business model. Simple. Bitching from either side is useless.

>>48217

I think, the problem is most tists not being aware, that they might make more money in total by lowering their prices.

It's quite hard to get a sense for the size of the market, but judging by the growth and potential revenue B4mb1 has accumulated through patreon in such a short time, I would estimate, that the usual 30-50$ price inspires sharing more than it motivates most people to purchase it.

>>48218

I think the best way to profit is:

1. Make a FREE sessions of vanilla content, so people can try your style and see if they like. This is the first gate to buying something: Will I like it? Will it work on me?

Make it one only going down, deepening triggers, and going up, and a few with post-hypnotic triggers that are bland but will tell the subject that it worked. That is the second gate: Even if I like the style/voice, do the files work?

2. Make one FREE file as the start of a series. Better if it were one for each type of genre. So a starting session of findom, one for sissy, etc. This is the bait-and-switch gate: After trying and testing that your're real shit, this shows how you manage fetishes.

3. Second and third sessions down-the-series are cheap. This is where the bait is already bitten, and the hook is set. This gate tells that spending money is worth it, for the files work.

4. From then on cost the "common" price. Whoever already tried the free and liked may have bought the cheap ones, and associated spending money with a successful hypno session.

It is much better to sell 100 files of 5$ (500$) instead of only 3 files of 50$ (150$).

$40 for 20-30min of content is absolutely absurd any way you slice it. Content creators deserve to be compensated for their work, no question, but the value of the purchase isn't any good at these prices. Trance provider's deals where they offer old files in addition to the purchase is a good model and I've bought several files from them.

While I understand the market is bigger and allows for stuff like this, and this is an extreme example, a three-hour film that cost significantly more time and effort to make can be had at a price around $20, or I could pay double that for 1/6th the time of entertainment. Or I could spend $20 more and get a video game that will last somewhere between 15-150 hours.

Some allowances need to be made for the niche nature of the industry, and we've got to pay a bit more to make it profitable. But I also think that the pricing is one of three major barriers to getting new people into it–the other two being the "creepy" view of it by the general public, and the amount of shitty fantasy videos labeled as hypnosis (brah I tried hypnosis and it didn't work, she just stood there saying I was hypnotized the whole time).

I'm no economic expert but I know marketing fairly well and I do think dommes are stifling the growth of their consumer base with these prices. I've spent thousands over the years on this fetish and it's almost all been in chunks under $25.

Those who practice findom might be trying to weed out the less financially endowed, but the rest of them are being somewhat foolish, I think.

I think there is a certain logic behind high prices. It's not just that they are greedy or unaware of the market situation, there's more to it. Namely, some dommes want to establish a certain type of connection with their subs and hight prices mean that the number of subs will be manageable. With low prices you go for mass appeal. But if you have 1000s of subs, you can't have any meaningful connection with them. There's the difference between tists like F10n4 who creates really good sessions, but she goes for mass appeal and probably can't have a really deep connection with any of her patrons. She does earn shitloads of money and this model works for he. On the other hand you have likes of 3||3ch3my whose sessions are really expensive, but I guess that she does have a bit more meaningful relationship with her subs once she takes them under her wing. She also makes a lot of money. So both models work.

If you see yourself primarily as content creator, then low prices rule. If they see themselves as dommes primarily, then I am not so sure.

Just my 2c.

>>48251

I stopped reading once I got to the part where you said about the dommes wanting to have a good relationship with their subs. Who's that? I'm sure there must be one or two out there, but come on. No, they are just being stupid.

I can get great music albums, classic films, for a few dollars, large glossy books for considerably cheaper than some files out there. It's a joke. High prices for stuff you have no idea is any good for you till you pay for it!

>>48251

We're not talking about live sessions and shit here, we're talking about files

>>48256

Owning a business isn't exactly an uncommon thing, anon

>>48278

Anybody can own a business or call themselves an entrepreneur. It doesn't mean you're successful though.

>>48256

You don't have to be an expert to recognize bullshit when you see it, and the pricing in this industry is bullshit for sure.

The average "mesmerize" video is about $1.1-$1.2/min, and usually for that price you don't get a lot :

* the actress is not a trained hypnotist.

* most of them don't have a proper setup even after months and sometimes years of practice : bad mic, bad camera, bad lighting, bad set, bad editing

* they don't get naked lol

* a lot of them don't even bother learning a script: they either improv, or for the most professional ones… let's just say they probably think we don't notice they are reading from a teleprompter.

* usually they just do what the others do, there's not much creativity in this field. relax-3,2,1-obey-stroke-cum

* most of those videos are public versions of customs they already did

So basically here's the formula : put some make-up, turn on your phone camera and work an hour per week. Let's say your business is small and you only have 10 customers, that's $720 per week, almost $3000 per month.

For one hour of work per week.

Yeah.

Pricing is fine amirite?

Need moar? make customs.

Exactly the same process (minus the step where you need to think about what you're going to do) but now the price is $21/min

$21/min

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But wait, there is more : for that price you don't get exclusivity or any personalization whatsoever, meaning you can actually release it publicly to make even more money. Don't forget to make sure the price of exclusivity is absurd so this will almost always work.

When it doesn't? don't worry, the price of exclusivity is equivalent to about 50-100 sales… like I said, absurd.

If you're a smart businesswoman (lol) then that hour of work is dedicated 100% to making customs.

that's $1260 + $720 (releasing them publicly) = 1980, that's about $2000 a week.

So work one hour a week, get $8000 a month

But pricing is fine.

Totally justified.

Now get on twitter to beg… err, I mean boss men around like a powerful domme should and demand the $2000 you need to round it up to a $10k month.

This is called findom.

Basically it's legalized extortion.

Like scientology, but even more stupid : maybe Xenu actually exists, who knows, but I'm pretty sure you're not a Goddess from heaven who's superior to everyone else.

Now, obviously the point of this comment was not to make an accurate estimation of earnings. The point was to show the absurdity of the situation : be a woman who's not Jabba-level ugly, talk to a camera for 4 hours a month, make 10k.

I'm not saying the price can't be justified, maybe it can, what I'm saying is that a lot of times it's not.

>>48289

If something is overpriced, then don't watch it. It's as simple as that.

What's the point of going on and on about how much they hypothetically make? They deserve what people are willing to pay.

Also you're not accounting for self employment taxes they have to pay & that's at least 25% off their gross income in the USA. Not to mention the cut any web services take in sales/transactions. Some websites like NiteFlirts takes like a 3rd of all sales.

>>48293

>If something is overpriced, then don't watch it. It's as simple as that.

I didn't ask for monetary advice, it's pretty obvious that I was simply exposing an opinion, so your comment is completely irrelevant and pointless.

Will you allow me to give my opinion on the subject OP proposed? good, then THAT is as simple that.

>What's the point of going on and on about how much they hypothetically make?

The point was to show reality from a new point of view. Consumers only see their side : "it's ONLY $30, come on, pay up, it's not much".

>They deserve what people are willing to pay.

So scientology deserves all their money because people are willing to pay?

Maybe we can have a discussion of a higher level than "people pay so it's deserved".

>Also you're not accounting blah blah blah costs blah blah blah

Yeah and they probably don't have only 10 customers, who cares, it's just a demonstration to feed the discussion.

Come on, I think it's fair to at least have a discussion about how something might be wrong when a bad video of a girl talking to the camera has the same price as, for example, an (independantly produced) porn scene.

Maybe there is a discussion to be had about value, in the same way people discuss the value of a Facebook share on the NASDAQ : just because a Facebook share is priced and exchanged at $164 doesn't mean its actual value is $164.

>>48279

Yeah but you said larping as business owners m8

>>48296

It's absurd to compare a source of subjective entertainment to a manipulative religious cult in this conversation.

Scientology is causing massive harm to large amounts of people, demanding isolation and financial ruin.

Your hypno porn is just entertainment, which you may or may not like. It's about as important as any given season of The Big Bang Theory.

It's pathetic how people here expect the Tists to make great content and enthusiastically want to also give that great content away for next to nothing, to a bunch of douches who are going to just pirate it anyways.

>>48308

I'll bet you are that asshole that I have argued with about file sharing and prices etc.

I'm not the person you were replying to, but I was reading your post, and I thought man, that is so like that little creep.

If it is you, or even if it isn't, stop with this bullshit of saying something is an absurd comparison because you haven't got any substance to any of your arguments. You dumb asshole, don't you understand that the situation doesn't have to be exactly the same in every way, it's the principle. Like, remember when I said that a mother can just ditch her child if she wants to and you said something like "comparing a mother and her child with file sharing is absurd!" your brain is fucking absurd. But hey, any time you don't have an answer for anything just say "that's absurd, let's move on"

Who are you? One of these wenches we are talking about? You seem to moan and whinge about file sharing and money anytime any discussion comes up like this. Or are you a boyfriend or something, and you show them what you wrote on hypno so they peg you tonight? What the hell is it man.

>>48317

Nope, I'm another asshole who believes in a free market and respects tists.

Didn't realize everyone here would be so insecure about sex workers making potentially more money than they do. I think it stems from neckbeards' (like yourself) lack of ability to actually market their own lacking sexual appeal.

Admit it, if you tried to do what these women do, you'd fucking fail miserably. You'd have shitty equipment and execution. You'd say stupid unsexy phrases. You'd look like shit. You'd visually smell like Doritos and body odor. You wouldn't do it for free. You'd then get mad when people pirate your paid for files. Hypocrites.

I dare anyone to make their own hypno content before making assumptions of its worth.

>>48321

I think you missed a point.

Most people here probably would want the good tists to make more money to be more motivated to produce better files.

The main question is, if they would do so by lowering their prices. It is pretty obvious, that the majority of people here is not interested in spending anywhere near 30$ for a file, because this community is, apart from some creators and file customers, built on sharing and discussing files, that one wouldn't want to buy or hasn't bought yet.

So of course the files aren't worth their asked price for most anons.

But from what I have read, there are quite a few of those, who would consider purchasing a file with a more obtainable price.

What a file is worth is subjective, but how much money it could make is highly dependant on correctly pricing it to get the highest amount of money from the largest number of customers.

The higher the price, the more customers and therefore money you loose. The lower the price the less money you make per customer.

Find the sweet spot and almost everyone is happy.

>>48326

>The higher the price, the more customers and therefore money you loose. The lower the price the less money you make per customer.

>Find the sweet spot and almost everyone is happy.

A very pseud way of saying "sell at the point where the supply curve meets the demand curve (i.e. equilibrium price)"

It's ridiculous to think a Mistress would read a pirateboard and then think, "Yeah, I should lower the prices for these poor people"

I'll remind you of the threads along the line: "Bump, can someone upload the files from Patreon xyz? I do not want to spend 5$."

I mean, if you look at what has been posted in the last few days, it is clear that many users are in this category…

>>48308

>It's absurd to compare a source of subjective entertainment to a manipulative religious cult in this conversation.

Nah, scientology is pretty entertaining once you take out the findom part of it.

On the other hand, I could make an argument that manipulating the sexuality of men is also causing harm that can lead to financial ruin.

At which point does an entertainer become a con artist? is it before or after they manipulate men into sending hundreds of dollars of tributes?

I'm not saying I have a definitive answer here, but I wonder about the ethics of the whole "send $200 or I block you, worm" and its actual entertainment value.

>Your hypno porn is just entertainment, which you may or may not like. It's about as important as any given season of The Big Bang Theory.

That's exactly what I thought when I got free auditing at a scientology event. For me it was just entertainment, but obviously everyone doesn't stop there.

>It's pathetic how people here expect the Tists to make great content and enthusiastically want to also give that great content away for next to nothing, to a bunch of douches who are going to just pirate it anyways.

That's a big exageration, all I'm saying is that the price should reflect the value.

$30 for a webcam video in a dark bedroom, horrible sound, and stupid relax-321-obey-sendmoney-cum script is waaaay too much. That's for sure.

Maybe we can start by agreeing on that, and then try to find the value of videos in different situations.

>>48321

>Nope, I'm another asshole who believes in a free market and respects tists.

I believe in free market too, it doesn't mean I can't discuss the actual value of a Facebook share and defend the position that it's way overpriced compared to solid companies that actually create products.

I also believe iphones to be way overpriced, does that make me a bad capitalist?

No, quite the opposite in fact. Saying those things automatically means I engage in the free market.

Also it's pretty stupid to say that questioning the value of a tist's work is disrespecting the tist.

>Admit it, if you tried to do what these women do, you'd fucking fail miserably. You'd have shitty equipment and execution.

As it happens, I'm an artist as well. My music is not my job but nonetheless, I do take great care in the equipment I use and the execution. If it's not the best I can do currently, I just do another take or simply don't share it.

So you're really barking at the wrong tree here.

If I made thousands of dollars a month with that, you can be sure I'd already have the best equipment money can buy.

And we're talking really expensive stuff here, not a $100 audio interface with a $150 mic for a tist, we're talking $3000 amps, things like that.

>>48330

In case anyone needed it, let me translate this post:

"it's ridiculous to think a mistress (lol) would read what her audience and only potential paying customers would think, especially if it means that they were telling her she is going to make more money if she lowers her prices, at least a little bit. Some people would never pay for anything, and some people are all people. Which means she will carry on having high prices for the minority, I mean nobody, that pays for files, instead of getting more money from these people declaring they will pay her if she lowers her prices. I mean nobody that is saying they would pay for files."

We got a genius here folks.

I think if you look at this thread, you can sort the smart from the brainless very easily. Oh look, it's all the people who think the prices are too high and the quality too low that have a healthy, fully functioning brain.

>>48327

Not exactly. A tist could still make more money in total by focusing on some select wealthy people or focusing strictly on mass market appeal. Supply and demand don't necessarily include how much the target audience is willing to pay in relation to its size. The hypno market likely isn't big enough to have the price solely determined by supply and demand. That's the basic idea but at least in my opinion it's application to hypno ist limited.

So there may be multiple sweet spots, of which a lot of tists seem to prefer the one that is defined by catering to a minority willing to pay high prices.

But are they just following other ones before them, or is this a conscious decision not to risk trying other models?

Personally I would feel better knowing, that I'm enabling the largest possible audience to listen to my work while still making a certain amount of money, that I feel compensates me for my work. If this results in the most revenue overall is hard to predict, based on the somewhat unusual product.

It is however well worth a sincere try.

>>48343

>>48344

paypigs mad

>>48344

So asking for the quality you paid for is being a beggar ???

I don't envy your life if that's a belief you really have.

if you pay for porn can you just be my sugar daddy instead? I think findom is disgusting and your disgusting if you like it, but that probably just makes it better for you right? give me the free money please

>>48367

>give me the free money please

Fake! Dommes don't say please!

Dommes say: give me money so I can buy a new camera and a good microphone because I respect my customers and myself, and I take pride in my work, always trying to be the best…………. lol jk, I need lobster and champagne, new curtains, and another ipad lolololol

>>48370

well im kinda new to it, I dont usually dom but I want money so…

>>48083

Even $5 is too much for this placebo garbage. The hypno scene is such a fucking snake oil scam it's no wonder that it's filled with failed camgirls.

>>48416

Do you bitch this much too when you get your footlong sub at Subway? Or do you just stand outside the building begging people for their leftovers?Then you complain when those free leftovers have pickles.

See when you don't pay and others do, you get pickles. Remember that lesson.

>>48429

>food analogy

OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHA

>>48429

Problem is plenty of folks tried to explain the fallacies in such line of thinking. Or the eventual negative outcome of their behaviour. Clearly if u turn a board into negative shit, there is a chance u get less fucking free files all around ( go figure). Even sugar coated the story into an analogy so even a 5 year old can understand. It doesn't land.

You have to understand these guys were pickle fucks from the start. They are the type guys, that despite knowing that 70 precent of the hypno hoarders here are into sissy shit, throw in some sissy insults before requesting straight stuff. Gj son u just reduced your file chance by several tenfolds and your topic is begging to be highjacked.

They are the type that would say a file or dom is shit. Go in lengths of why. And then in same breath request those files. If those files weren't already in circulation Id bet they'll be now.

But thats the issue. We know it aint clever. But to continue in your analogy you have to understand better, who you are talking to first.

I mean on this board the guy is standing outside a subway. But it's not the pickles, he just hates sandwiches in general. When litterally the building next to it is his favourite pizza place ( he is in the wrong fucking place to begin with). He probably doesn't know how to open a door on either one of them. And you want to learn him something ;p.

Meanwhile in Japan you get up to 4 hour recordings with high grade voice acting and professional recording quality (often binaural) for 5-15 bucks with regular discounts on DLsite.

http://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work/=/product_id/RE230638.html (sold 1715 times on the Japanese site)

http://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work/=/product_id/RE233738.html (sold 630 times on the Japanese site)

More examples here: >>46636

There's no "you are now addicted to my voice and will buy all my files" bullshit either.

>>48289

your various estimates are laughable and not realistic at all.

>>48470

True, I doubt the top x0 dommes only sell 10 copies of each file, so they probably make A LOT more especially when you include back catalog, live sessions and tributes.

But the "work 1hr a week, get $10K/month" works as a good illustration for the discussion we're having. It's visual and catchy.

>>48468

HA! Exactly.

Clearly, there can no debate here. It's done. Like I said earlier, anyone with a hint of intelligence on this thread is in the too expensive, not good enough camp.

And before any damn retard comes in and says "if you don't like it, you don't have to pay! You are so ungrateful!" an idiot that actually seems to believe the shit he is talking is a good answer to anything, please, it's over.

Reason has been spoken here. The dommes are unrealistic, whinge when they get pirated, but still wanna charge millions for the files, let them fail and close their sites in a couple of years time. And the morons that defend them are clearly the dumbest people on hypno.

>>48473

The value of entertainment is subjective. You can not officially declare its worth/unworthiness for everyone. It's not a FACT, it's your opinion.

Go cry to your mommy about how mean hypno dommes are being to you by charging whatever the fuck they want.

Hell I bet even if the tist paid you $50 to download the file, you'd still and complain how you should have been paid more. Stop playing a victim, it's pathetic.

Hypno is not a life necessity. It's a niche market. You have cheaper options. You can vote with your spending money and influence the hypno market. Instead you bitch (both as a verb and noun).

Is being ungrateful your fetish, or just your lifestyle?

>>48229

a meme with layers

>>48478

Aren't a good number of us here, because we are voting with our wallets not to buy the files at their subjectively inflated prices?

If anything this validates the criticism of the current prices of some tists even more, especially since there are cases, where sharing of files has been denied. These files were overwhelmingly perceived as fairly priced, even though this mostly applies to patreon files.

>>48478

> You can vote with your spending money and influence the hypno market. Instead you bitch (both as a verb and noun).

That's exactly what I'm doing. I spend my money at DLsite.

>>48484

I've seen turd-fuckers pirating even the cheap shit here. When the hell has something been "denied"?

>>48486

Yeah obviously there are going to be 13-year-olds and extreme poorfags who don't spend a dime, but you can't seriously be foolish enough to think there isn't a lot of money spent by people who frequent this board. Those files come from somewhere, and this is the only decent hypno imageboard–newfapchan dead as fuck. Seems like you either need free files or a domme-controlled site to keep a hypno community alive.

I don't share anything I buy because I'm a greedy, selfish fuck, but I definitely spend money on this shit.

I dunno which domme you are but you're a goddamn fool if you think you haven't been brought customers through piracy. Of all the dommes I've bought from, two I encountered initially through YouTube samples, and the rest have all been suggestions from sites like this one. The dirt-poor ones aren't spending any money either way, they'd just find more free shit on PornHub or Youtube or r/erotichypnosis or what the fuck ever.

And guess what, as customers, if we feel the price of something is obscene, we're gonna bitch about it. And maybe that's gonna cost you some sales. Maybe it won't. But relax with the "S-stop complaining!" shit, honestly. $40 for 10-40 minutes of entertainment is ridiculous.

Will you make a hypnosis file for me for $10? Must use voice.

>>48478

You sound like someone who has already been dealt with in this thread, but reading this, you are obviously too stupid to have any awareness of the reality you are in. You see either way, whether you are one of these other people or not, you are clearly such a brain dead idiot if you think there is anything left to argue.

Your first statement, about the subjectivity of these files, ha! You are actually convincing yourself you are making a statement of reason, maybe thinking you are arguing intelligently. You are not. You can argue that entertainment is subjective, you cannot argue that the files in question come up to a standard of being effective hypnosis, which is one half of the whole discussion here you total idiot. We were not complaining these women are not entertaining anyone. It's supposed to be hypnosis they are selling, some of them fail miserably.

Considering you brought mommies into this, go cry to your mommy about why she had a baby when she was clearly carrying defective genes. That wicked bitch!

And again with the ungrateful statement. You dumb piece of shit. How can I be grateful about something, even if it was subjective, about something I, personally, see no value in? And even if I was ungrateful, when I shouldn't be, why did you think you could cause me any hurt by calling me ungrateful? And bitching is what you are doing yourself, so stop being a hypocrite. I declare I do enjoy a bitch about things, can you do the same you stupid hypocrite.

And I'm not playing the victim, I'm calling out bullshit. Sorry it's bullshit you happen to be grateful for.

Whatever useless slop is in place of a brain, it clearly is preventing you from the self awareness that is clearly needed to stop you from posting anything. You have no capability to argue for anything successfully.

That isn't subjective either, it's fact.

"They can charge what they want! Don't be ungrateful for things you don't like! It's a niche market, you don't need the useless junk they can charge $50 for!"

HAHAHA!

Is being helplessly full of shit your choice, or is your brain just damaged? You don't need to answer, we know.

>>48497

Obviously no one's talking about custom files m8

>>48502

>t. Pseudointellectual teenager who skimmed through The Communist Manifesto and The Ego and His Own once

>>48503

But making good quality hypnosis files for $10 is soooo easy, even an idiot could do it in absolutely no time. Make me one. It's not a custom, other people will buy it if its good. No text to voice. Must be recorded voice, must be sexy.

>>48502

You're so unpleasant. I would actively avoid you at a social gathering.

>>48508

No one said it was easy you fucking retard.

No one said the record they paid for was easy to make. It taken considerably longer time to construct, produce, considerably more talent, etc, but it was times cheaper than the useless shit in question.

You don't charge high prices for bad quality material, then say it wasn't easy. "oh, now it's great! Take 50 more bucks"

There are three completely mentally defunct people on this thread that don't get the point, because they are unable to. I would suggest no one else bother replying to anything they see here. Unless you wanna waste your time! Go ahead.

>>48511

You play a hard game and I respect that bro. $20 and you make me a file?

Money, money, money

Must be funny

In the rich man's world

This thread should be closed. At this point, the discussion is meaningless and the most important aspects have been named.

>>48502

Are you a broken record? Do you have something constructive to add?

And in my opinion, your reasoning is wrong and superficial. But that has already been made clear by other above (see above). Which you have misunderstood because you are not the brightest here.

What a shit thread.

>>48478

So the value is subjective THEREFORE I can't say it's too expensive? what kind of stupid logic is that?

For example I'm not allowed to say that $17 for a seat at the movie theater is too expensive for what I'm getting (commute, uncomfortable seating, annoying neighbors, ads, can't pause, movie is likely to be bad, etc) while I could stay at home comfortably and pay $10 A MONTH for a netflix subscription?

I'm just not allowed…

I'm also not allowed to say that $21 is way too expensive for that stupid headache inducing gimmick that is 3D?

Nope, because if I say that, I'm a self-entitled bitch who should go cry to my mommy about how movie theaters are mean for charging whatever the fuck they want…

You do realize how retarded and undefensible your position is, don't you?

Or maybe YOU are the one crying to mommy about how mean hypno customers are on this thread?

Maybe because YOU ARE one of those hypnodommes who steals a basic script on the internet, sometimes even from your fellow hypnodomme (girl power, sisterhood blah blah blah, right?) record it with your phone and charge stupid amounts for it?

>You can vote with your spending money and influence the hypno market.

That's true… and this is what we are doing right here, trying to influence the hypno market by raising awareness. I know, I know, we are not allowed because it's mean… Well, deal with it.

The market is not young anymore, customers should be more demanding.

For audio files, sound quality IS available nowadays for a few hundreds of dollars : good mic, good audio interface, audacity is free, and other audio softwares are usually bundled with the hardware. As for knowledge, free tutorials are available on the internet. There's just no excuse.

>>48523

You miss read something dude. I never said you're not allowed to have a personal OPINIONS. I'm just annoyed with the people stating their opinion as a universal fact.

There seems to be the attitude that because you think $50 is way too much, that makes it too much for everyone else- which it's obviously not, since others are buying it.

Also some loser above, >>48502 ,let's call him ReasonFedora (since he loves declaring "reason" rather than proving a point) was basically suggesting that just because a file didn't work for him, it cannot work for anyone else. Many people can be tranced by the less skilled quality files.

Others are buying and it's working for them.

xoXo,

The Hypbitch

>>48518

>wah mods im losing the argument delete the thread

sad

>>48533

Now shut up, idiot. I did not participate in this 'discussion'.

>>48530

You're right, but I did not misread, I was blinded by your agressivity towards the other anon who in fact was merely shared an opinion.

Comments like "hey don't state your opinion as facts" are at best simply useless in a debate, at worst a demonstration of bad social awareness.

Someone tells you "It's hot today" and you immediatement jump at their throat "HEY it's your opinion you moron, the weather is perfectly fine, go cry to your mommy". Bad social awareness, more commonly refered to as being an asshole.

>There seems to be the attitude that because you think $50 is way too much, that makes it too much for everyone else- which it's obviously not, since others are buying it.

"others are buying it" is not an argument. People have the freedom to be wrong and pay too much, one does not exclude the other.

Watch the stock exchange, people get it wrong on a daily basis.

So how do you get it right? you coldly analyze the market and present your conclusions.

Anons in this thread have shared their analysis, some have been convincing, some not so much.

So far, the argument "files are way too expensive in regard to their quality" has pretty much won and the other side has been less than convincing : "hey it's your opinion", "people buy it" and "dommes do what they want" are simply not valid arguments.

>Many people can be tranced by the less skilled quality files.

Honestly, most of us here are probably experienced trancers so we can all hypnotize ourselves… but at the same time, I've been taken out of trance by dommes who can't be bothered to edit their files and take out their bloopers or simply wait for the plane to pass by… yet demand $30 for their shitty work.

And I'm sorry if that's not objective enough for you.

>>48538

>People have the freedom to be wrong and pay too much, one does not exclude the other. Watch the stock exchange, people get it wrong on a daily basis. So how do you get it right? you coldly analyze the market and present your conclusions.

You are conflating an artform, whose worth is a value judgement, to stocks which have a tangible real world value and are highly liquidable. Everyone will agree that $2 stock is worth $2, and you can buy that stock for $2 and trade it to the next person for $2. With art, and hypnosis recordings in general, not so much. The value is subjective. Not everyone will agree on the price of a hypnosis recording. But, you fallaciously present your own value judgement (people who pay too much are wrong) and present it as fact by conflating buying hypnosis recordings (subjective value) with trading stocks (objective value).

>So far, the argument "files are way too expensive in regard to their quality" has pretty much won and the other side has been less than convincing : "hey it's your opinion", "people buy it" and "dommes do what they want" are simply not valid arguments.

To think arguments must be "won" or "lost" is sophistry. The search for truth is an ongoing dialogue. Also, "it's your opinion," "people buy it," and "dommes can do what they want" are valid arguments. Gerard Richter sold his 'Red Mirror' for $750,000, which is basically red paint on a mirror. As much as some of us may think the buyer was "wrong and payed too much" it doesn't diminish the value he has for the artwork, nor does it make the 'Red Mirror' any less art.

The question whether hypnosis recordings ARE art, and if so, in what manner, and what constitutes "good" and "bad" hypnosis art, is a whole new discussion on aesthetics I don't want to get into.

F10n4 C|34rw4t3r is one of the highest quality hypnotists and her patreon is $5 a month. Better yet they will keep sending you new files even if you only pay for one month ever.

Random thoughts:

o- We do not know their business models.

o- The files I paid for turned out to be the most useless ones

o- Seeking for greater pleasure is what makes us pay

o- Any discussion about high volume-low margin vs low volume-high margin is pointless.

>>48546

As much as you like to screech "not an argument" like Stefan Molymeme, you continue to neglect to explain why that is the case and opt to hurl insults instead. The fact is, people actually DO buy files at that price, and dommes can have been releasing pricing their files whatever they felt like. If this behavior doesn't work, then they wouldn't be in the business for as long as they have been, yet they are. The fact is, it works despite the autistic screeching from pirates.

>But would you say anyone is in the wrong or unreasonable for not wanting to pay $750,000 for a painted mirror, just because one was purchased at that price in the past? Do you think this particular incident shapes the entire market?

What part of art has subjective value do you not understand? I will not disparage anyone for not buying a work of art because they don't like it, nor will I if he spends an exorbitant amount if he likes it. As for your second question, my knowledge of art collecting is cursory at best and can't comment on it, but I do know that particular piece sold at an auction.

> What makes one person's subjective opinion of an MP3's value take precedence over another's? If 99 people are willing to pay $20 and one person is willing to pay $200, should it be priced at $200? At the end of the day,

If that person wants to pay $200, let him. That's what tributes are for.

>"well SOMEONE paid for it…" isn't good enough- you want to make as much money as possible, and find a price ideal for that.

I pointed out the current model is working. See above.

>The people that are willing to drop ridiculous amounts of money will order a custom file.

Are you implying custom files are of greater quality than those released to the masses? Yes, files for mass consumption won't hit all of your erotic buttons juuuust right. There is an inverse relationship between the size of the market base and quality of media.

>>48546

Well done brother. for this post, and the others.

I don't think anything can get through to them though. They seem to have developed some kind of disorder that can not allow them to accept they have nothing to stand on, because it would traumatize them too much. The alternative would just be to say "ok guys, you have a point" but no way that's gonna happen.

Hilarious gif! I burst out laughing!

>>48542

>You are conflating an artform, whose worth is a value judgement, to stocks which have a tangible real world value and are highly liquidable. Everyone will agree that $2 stock is worth $2, and you can buy that stock for $2 and trade it to the next person for $2.

……. I don't think you understand the stock market or even economics either, "value = price" is a completely outdated view and has been for a loooong time.

It's an important idea that your side of the argument seems to be oblivious to, so I'll explain :

Price is arbitrary : you imagine what your product is worth to potential customers and you run with it.

Maybe you're an african and you think that uranium is worth $1/ton because it's worthless to you.

Conversely, maybe (((you))) think that one-legged pants are worth $30 (a reference only french people who know Attali will enjoy)

Value however is intrinsic. In the above example, uranium's value is way more than $1, and one-legged pants' value is way less than $30

In a perfect market (therefore theoretical) the price is supposed to fluctuate along the value.

That's the theory in the stock exchange, price varies due to A LOT of different factors (including global trends, fear, other markets, etc) but those factors don't really affect the value itself.

This is why at the most basic level the best investment strategy is to invest on a stock when its value>price and get out when value<price.

Long story short, if the stock is priced at $2 but your analysis says its value is $2.1, it is theoretically a good investment because you expect an adjustment or simply that the price will swing the other way.

If indeed the game was to "buy that stock for $2 and trade it to the next person for $2" as you say, then what's the point of the exchange?

The idea is to but it at $1.9 because you think its value is $2 and sell it at $2.1… now you're making money.

Now let's apply this to the femdom scene : $30 is the price of a video. Well, we think its value is a lot less, and as smart individuals we don't want to pay when value<<<price.

>The search for truth is an ongoing dialogue

As long as the other side is in fact still in the dialogue.

>Gerard Richter sold his 'Red Mirror' for $750,000

If you understand the demonstration I just made, now you have your answer.

If you are confused, imagine that art nowadays is financial investment…. because it is. Literally.

I found the Cosmic Master's videos mostly empowering: here's the site > http://cosmicmaster.com

>>48083

It is kind of fucking crazy how high they make their prices