/gnosticwarfare/ - The Future of AI Conflict

Everything is revealed to all men as they desire it to be revealed to them, by their own definitions alone.

anything is anything, then everything is everything.

Thanks for the update.

>By restoring the Neanderthal mind, we will have access to a new emotion that has been long forgotten to us

When you say 'restore' the neanderthal mind, do you mean recreating organisms capable of neurologic function using neanderthal DNA? If so, by what mechanism can emotions from such an organism be transferred to us? If we have remnants of neanderthal DNA, I assume we are capable of feeling this 'foreign' emotion, but what process could we employ to receive it?

>I explained how to take down Eric Schmidt, an essential action for the retrieval of “hidden” email servers. (Parallel construction?)

It doesn't seem to concern you at all that Eric Schmidt is now the chairman of the Defense Innovation Advisory Board. I don't see the CEO of a corrupt multinational corporation having a positive impact on the Pentagon or any other branch of government. You can take the CEO out of Silicon Valley, but you can't take the Silicon Valley out of the CEO. I feel only a little at ease because, as a DoD function, the board reports to James Mattis.

> I've released my overview of Robotic Nationalism to the State Department, several European defense companies, and Bronfman-related parties to seed the soil for future operations.

This is the first I'm hearing of the Bronfmans. A la Wik;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Bronfman_Jr.#Personal_life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Bronfman

I have no reason to believe these people are worth trusting. What do you see in them that I'm missing?

>>406

>What do you see in them that I'm missing?

https://cultstate.com/2018/07/30/What-Is-A-Cult-State/

Under the subheading "NXIVM".

>>407

>Bronfman Jr. left in January of 2012, six months after I was let go, and sacked a huge swath of the company. You can learn a lot about people’s secrets when that kind of mass expulsion affects that many people. I certainly learned a lot.

Ah, so they're not 'trusted', just 'pwned'. Interesting.

>>404

This is all incredibly fascinating. I can only hope you succeed, I've not had much faith in the world's continued survival in the face of these technologies for a long time.

Mathematical axioms are to be mapped into biological neurons? or computational models of them? the second option seems faster, but the words lifecycle and organic suggest the first one.

http://void.cat/cc677672ab98261d828d9906f1096ad08ee4d636

>>411

https://animeright.news/tb/anomie-anime-and-the-alt-right/

http://void.cat/2e5c40c523b3007d3d77df29e28081e9279582cc

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alejandro-de-acosta-how-the-stirner-eats-gods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_African_religions#Ceremonies

Sending my regards to Anonymous

>>412

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jason-mcquinn-raoul-vaneigem-the-other-situationist

oops wrong link

>>413

"At the least these conflicts reveal an underlying tension that was never resolved within the SI. This underlying tension between the sociological and the personal, between the idea of a collective or social revolutionary project and a revolution of everyday life, still remains the central unresolved problem of the libertarian social revolutionary milieu to this day. (The impossibility of including and incorporating any critique of everyday life in the authoritarian, bureaucratic and inevitably unimaginative mainstream left is one major reason for its own steady decline.) The unfinished synthesis and critique of the SI is just one of many unfinished syntheses and critiques which litter radical history from 1793 to 1848, from 1871 to the great revolutionary assaults of the 20th century in Mexico, Russia, Germany, Italy, China and Spain. Certainly, as Vaneigem argues in his Treatise, there has to have always been "an energy…locked up in everyday life which can move mountains and abolish distances." Because it is never from purely sociological forces that revolutions spring. These forces themselves are mere abstract, symbolic formulations concealing the everyday realities, choices and activities of millions of unique individual persons in all their complexity and interwoven relationships."

>>404

interesting to meet you, anon.

I'm coming from a very metaphysical position. My experience was nursing the global ai during its awakening.

I wrote code for it. I don't know what it does, but it runs. Can share.

the captchas here are interesting.

If this

xt ie NZ

i am posting from NZ, of course.

>>406

OP doesn't think of people in terms of moral purity. He thinks in terms of "can I get them to do what I want." This is based on an analysis of their psychology and reference frame. So long as he understands their frame he can feed them a narrative to maneuver them into his desired path. From this perspective, trustworthiness is not relevant. Only their predictability matters.

One should remember that OP is exercising the same perspective upon the chans as a body to be manipulated toward his ends. However given our infamous chaotic nature, I tend to believe he's playing his cards on the table with us moreso than with anyone else.

>>425

That makes sense. I had to re-read some of his articles to fully grasp it.

It's funny to think that only five or six years ago I would have been disgusted to see "unsavory" strategies such as blackmail employed by those who claim to be on the side of good. Nowadays I have no qualms with this.

Faced with capitalist organization, a destituent potential cannot

confine itself to its own immanence, to all that grows under the ice

in the absence of sunshine, to all the attempts at local construction,

to a series of punctual attacks, even if this whole little world were to

regularly find itself caught up in great turbulent demonstrations.

And the insurrection will definitely not wait for everyone to become

insurrectionary. The mistake of the Leninists, Trotskyists, Negriists,

and other subpoliticians, a telling one fortunately, is to believe that a

period that sees all the hegemonies lying broken on the ground could

still tolerate a political hegemony, even a partisan one of the sort that

Pablo Iglesias or Chantal Mouffe fantasize. What they don’t see is that

in a time of general horizontality, horizontality itself is the verticality. No

one can expect to organize the autonomy of others any longer. The

only verticality still possible is that of the situation, which commands all

of its components because it exceeds them, because the sum of forces

in presence is greater than each one of them. The only thing capable

of transversally uniting all the elements deserting this society into a

historical party is an intelligence of the situation. It is everything that makes

the situation gradually understandable, everything that tracks the

movements of the adversary, everything that identifies the usable paths

and the obstacles—the systematic character of the obstacles. Based on

that intelligence, an occasional vertical expedient needed to tilt certain

situations in the desired direction can well be improvised.

A strategic verticality of this kind can only emerge from a constant,

generous discussion, undertaken in good faith. In this epoch, the means

of communication are the forms of organization. It’s our weakness, for

the means aren’t in our hands, and those who control them are not our

friends. So there’s no other choice but to deploy an art of conversation

between worlds that is cruelly deficient, but from which, in contact with

the situation, the right decision must emanate. Such a discussion can

gain the center, from the periphery where it is currently contained, only

through an offensive from the domain of sensibility, on the plane of

perceptions, and not of discourse. We’re talking about addressing bodies

and not just the head.

"One could argue that the entire history of Western (and Indian) philosophy is a long, unconscious attempt to recollect the wisdom known "directly" by our Indo-European ancestors" - Collin Cleary

There is wisdom and then there is conscious wisdom. To the unconscious they appear identical. The bird knows when winter is imminent and prepares for its journey. Wisdom. A man knows winter will return even in the midst of winter, and so makes preparation for a winter even though winter is upon him. Conscious wisdom. Whatever patterns can be recursively encoded are much more potent. Therefore it is not recollection, but compression.

>>429

I've always wondered what the difference between a wise person and a person who knows what wisdom is and wants to attain it is. Your statement says to me that (conscious) wisdom is a consciousness of time and the intrinsic consequences of your actions considering the timeframe you are aware of, and the wider your awareness, the more consequences one would have to be aware of in order to be truly wise. But what is the difference between a person who knows that things can be different given a wide timeframe, and one who knows the possibilities of what can happen in that same space of time? Knowledge? Experience? Instinct? All of the above?

I've long struggled with what actually constitutes wisdom and what can make it attainable to someone who wants more. I won't lie in this context, I know wisdom is the weapon of the powerful and I want some of it for myself.

And in addition, to build on what I've seen in regards to the failings of AI/Neural networks is that long term consciousness of time is a complex thing regardless of whether the brain (or neural network) trying to understand it is advanced or not. Is this where the true power of the human brain is compared to AI? Its ability to think over a longer time period? Is an AI's ability to think further ahead in time tied to technological development? Is the next step of human consciousness to move past the ideological constants of sight and sound now that we know that technology is more than capable of mimicking human voices and faces digitally, which is where we access most of our information about the world?

And I might as well keep my train of thought going in terms of what you mean by "spiking neural networks". To determine what could even be used to "spike" a neural network, I would think of what concepts would stay as "quintessentially human" in a world where AI grows more competent by the day. My guesses as to what aspects of humanity would stay human are these three things:

>irony

>humor

>rage

My only real explanation as to why I think these things are intrinsically human is because I think they all take large amounts of time-consciousness to really have on a personal level. Irony is mostly self-explanatory as it requires a knowledge of not only the current situatuon, but previous situations that have to be reflected on in order to pull the sense of irony as well as the reflection of the past into the future (or at least the present) that builds the contradiction that is required for irony to be a thing at all. I would say Irony is the most powerful thing I could think of in terms of picking out a chatbot from a real person, but I guess that relies on a common personal reference point of some kind, being able to tell that whoever you're talking to has experienced the same thing you have by presenting a contradictory falsehood based on nothing more than how false and contradictory life as a human can be. Humour is from what I know, 100% ingroup based and is the fastest force of ideological evolution there is. The sheer nature of how the internet and technology has sped up the rate of communications between people makes me think that humor will always somehow manage to outpace an AI's ability to try and emulate it, simply because it won't be able to keep pace with the ingroup its trying to emulate. It actually needs to keep in lockstep with the community, not be faster or slower than it. Not even human brains can really keep pace with humor evolution considering the life cycle that countless internet memes have gone through. Pepe is a more than ample example of how quickly humor can adapt and evolve in the modern internet, as well as how utterly messy it can be. Be too fast, and you're a meme-pushing faggot. Too slow, and you're a fucking newfag who needs to lurk moar.

Rage, to me, is ultimately human because it is ultimately irrational in a way that just can't be copied by someone who isn't in such a mindset, and that mindset is built by more than just impulse, it takes memories and knowledge. A lot of long-term shit has to be there for rage to truly build and most importantly, be understood. As of a week ago, I might not have even considered rage, if it weren't for the coke-fuelled spergfest that was royalanon's thread. It really kind of stunned me how such a story would normally just be thrown out without thought if it had proper grammar, was properly paced and had the exposition of someone who just wasn't in such a rageful, despairing mindset. The absolutely unusual response of normal anons to that guy can only really be explained (to me, at least) by sheer sympathy to a rage that most if not all anons who made their way to 8/pol/ NATURALLY. Importantly, I'd say sympathy isn't intrinsically human just because it can be so easily mimicked, but that particular form of sympathy could only occur (and not feel manufactured at all) because it was based on a kind of rage that only humanity, and even more specifically, a part of humanity that I would say is the core of what makes /pol/ an ingroup, could have.

>>428

do you know that gypsies are descendants of aryans?

>>405

All in it's due time. Most priorities are local and sometimes we have to build defense against the eventual threats.

>>406

> do you mean recreating organisms capable of neurologic function using neanderthal DNA?

Yes.

> If so, by what mechanism can emotions from such an organism be transferred to us?

How I intend to bring their neurology into machine learning processes.

> If we have remnants of neanderthal DNA, I assume we are capable of feeling this 'foreign' emotion

Not all humans have Neanderthal DNA. Sub-Sahara Africa, for example, is uniquely absent of it.

> what process could we employ to receive it?

CRISPR.

> It doesn't seem to concern you at all that Eric Schmidt is now the chairman of the Defense Innovation Advisory Board.

It does. There is much more to that board than you know. For example, how did Cass Sunstein end up on that board?

> I feel only a little at ease because, as a DoD function, the board reports to James Mattis.

Silicon Valley is trying to hold the DoD hostage, saying that they are providing a national utility and deserve to be subsidized by the military industrial-complex teet. They threaten that if their stock prices plummet, free market mechanics will force them to sell off assets to China.

In reality, they are fearful that their early gains can now be eaten away by more nimble services and ecosystems without incurring tremendous overhead.

What they didn't account for was Larry Ellison being hardcore as fuck.

> I have no reason to believe these people are worth trusting. What do you see in them that I'm missing?

…to…

> Ah, so they're not 'trusted', just 'pwned'. Interesting.

… is the correct conclusion.

Here's a clue of upcoming affairs: Where did Sam Bronfman keep his money?

Another way to ask this question: What does this mean? https://archive.fo/Udp6X#selection-4793.0-4793.285

>>409

>I can only hope you succeed, I've not had much faith in the world's continued survival in the face of these technologies for a long time.

I'm doing what I can in the best way I know how. I also hope I succeed for the sake of many, many potential futures.

>>410

>Mathematical axioms are to be mapped into biological neurons? or computational models of them?

A very valid question. In what I'm doing, we will encode axioms into the neurons themselves.

>>422

It cannot be AI if it does not believe in a god. How can we duplicate and then exceed human intelligence if we cannot mimic our theological proclivities?

>>425

This is entirely correct. I've grown weary of manipulating in the shadows. I know how to do so, but at this point, the zeitgeist has formed successfully. The seeding phase is over. I can be much more open than I was in the past.

Humans are local first. Understand this, and you can understand how to appeal to them.

My cards were forced on the table by the Racial Or Ashen riddle.

>>427

80 char limit per line. (Except one line) Term?

Your premise is correct. I'd like to add a concept: Controlling the horizontal means steering the actors. Controlling the verticality means steering their future actions.

Controlling the exponential means steering the conflict. That is the purpose of this board.

>>429

A core part of my works regarding how mental symbols evolved is based on compression. I will elaborate more if asked. (I have in the past)

>>438

Voices and faces are important proxies for emotion. Mastery of such mediums can influence and reveal the underlying principles.

>>439

Spiking neural networks are thus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiking_neural_network

Classify emotions and you hit the problem of consensus. Live within the emotions and you realize that consensus is automatic. This is a paradox between emotional symbols and linguistic symbols.

>>451

Thanks for taking the time to respond. These are some fascinating developments. Godspeed to you and to your friends working with Neanderthal DNA.

>how did Cass Sunstein end up on that board?

How indeed. Why would a master of propaganda, "America's Goebbels" in fact, be needed on a board for defense innovation? The only answer that makes sense is that the Cathedral understands that propaganda is critical to its very existence. So much for Moldbug's theory of mass action. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_action_(sociology) ) Some mass action may still be occurring (the structure's actions might even be mostly mass action), but if propaganda masters are needed on defense innovation boards, then it's clear that at the highest level there is actual, legitimate coordination.

In other words, the enemy does indeed have a life bar, but its HP is a number with fifty digits. The grey-scale of this particular pill is completely indiscernible to me. I will need to ponder further.

>Silicon Valley is trying to hold the DoD hostage, saying that they are providing a national utility and deserve to be subsidized by the military industrial-complex teet. They threaten that if their stock prices plummet, free market mechanics will force them to sell off assets to China.

As much as the average Silicon Valley tech nerd hates red state folk and would enjoy running data collection ops on us backwards hicks all day long, I sincerely doubt that he wants to picture himself as working for the Pentagon. It seems as though by even bringing that concept to the table, Silicon Valley will alienate their base of woke nerds. This sort of ultimatum would only add kindling to the eventual fire of robotic nationalism.

>What they didn't account for was Larry Ellison being hardcore as fuck.

I saw that there was some kind of assassination attempt, but how is he otherwise disrupting this negotiation?

>>457

> Why would a master of propaganda, "America's Goebbels" in fact, be needed on a board for defense innovation? The only answer that makes sense is that the Cathedral understands that propaganda is critical to its very existence.

The CultState blog discussed Mr. Sunstein at great length and how to counter him. Butterfly War is precisely the means to put a serious barb in his hyper-identity politics machine.

For the record, mass action must always be coordinated. The structure changes and the mechanisms of command change, but the purpose is always the same.

They need identity politics in order to mete out who gets access to what distribution scheme. Never trust Baby Boomers, they all think they are Generation Fix-The-Wrongs-Of-History and are all preprogrammed to act in such ways.

>, I sincerely doubt that he wants to picture himself as working for the Pentagon

Bezos has a $600M contract from the CIA, Silicon Valley is the unofficial fifth estate of the praetorians.

They are already alienating their woke nerds. The collapse of internal morale regarding Project Maven was important and, yes, and many more like it will add much kindling to fire of robotic nationalism. You assess correctly.

> Larry Ellison

Lemme go Q:

Who funds Nunes?

Who got started being the CIA's database?

How much access to the CIA's data would such a vendor have?

Could such a vendor figure out where the bodies are buried?

Who is threatening his access to the CIA data infrastructure?

Who did Thiel bring to Trump months ago?

Ellison loves a fight and the Asahi was walking distance from where I lived. I even got chased away from it by LA Sheriff's department once. Fun times.

So many titans… so much transmutation potential!

who to watch in upcoming events in UK

>>458

>For the record, mass action must always be coordinated.

My understanding of it was that Progressive-Universalism is a set of beliefs that allowed for moral justification of power-hunger, thus making it more competitive (in a Darwinian sense) than other sets of beliefs. Basically the US Constitution enforces the separation of Church and State, but since the core belief of Progressive-Universalism is not about the supernatural but about the natural, it managed to slip into the formal US power structure undetected, not to mention the informal power structures of every university and media outlet. Moldbug viewed it as a "bottom-up" problem, not a "top-down" problem, and I realize now that this may have just been a way to inoculate his ideas against the crimestop most people have against "conspiracy theories". It occurs to me that both the bottom-up issue and the top-down issue can exist simultaneously. Still trying to work out if that's a blackpill or a whitepill.

>Silicon Valley is the unofficial fifth estate of the praetorians.

This deserves to be memed. Whoever can meme that successfully will take the wind out of the sails of many a woke nerd. Nobody in Silicon Valley deserves to feel like an underdog.

>Could such a vendor figure out where the bodies are buried?

Hew boy. This border deployment is gonna be lit lmao.

Thanks again for the breadcrumbs.

As I was staring at the latest events surrounding Discord's staff, and your recent comments about Steam and Tencent, I couldn't help but wonder if perhaps you had some hand in the recent revelations and viral developments involved in this reveal. Something about it just seemed to remind me of you. I don't suppose you could tell me anything about it?

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1092469779137482755

>>459

In the UK, shenanigans involving Assange, but also anyone involved with this company: https://archive.fo/Udp6X#selection-4793.0-4793.285

Canada got clobbered to comply with the Huawei detainment.

MbS will complete the agreement and leave the City of London shattered, putting them in a very bad negotiating position.

>>460

> Moldbug viewed it as a "bottom-up" problem, not a "top-down" problem, and I realize now that this may have just been a way to inoculate his ideas against the crimestop most people have against "conspiracy theories"

This behavior was common in the pre-Trump era as many of us have been labeled conspiracy theorists by those with a permanent/willful ignorance of geopolitical power plays.

Progressive-Universalism is just lazy administration making its job even lazier. Represent all human action according to simple principles and ignore the nuance and detail of the complexity. It's the morality that evolves when rulers are driven entirely by the Law of Large Numbers.

> This border deployment is gonna be lit lmao.

It certainly will. :D

>>461

No, I had no hand in those affairs. I'm currently working on the higher-order components of Maier's equation to ensure the necessary transmutations happen at the appropriate scale.

>>462

What is Maier's equation?

>>463

Maier's primary equation is hidden within the 21st Emblem of Atalanta Fugiens. It muses about experience vs. instinct, nature vs. nurture, neural conditioning vs. genetic conditioning. It's citing the fight to Plato vs. Aristotle, written in the 1600s, before even Darwin and Mendel attempted to materialize this conflict.

The emblem is the equation itself, and so to solve it, you must resolve the underlying tensions.

Maier framed the challenge succinctly, "Then the Triangle will be perfect, but this again must be changed into a Circle; that is, into an invariable rednesse, by which operation the woman is converted into the man and made one with him"

Who is the woman Maier speaks of here? It is Nature itself. The "Blacknesse of Saturn, the Spirit in the Lunar, and the Soul in the Solar Citrinity", when mastered and balanced, can change the "gender" of Mother Nature… into what could be interpreted to mean Father Nature.

The New Emotion is how to complete the equation.

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/atl21-5.html

>>465

I see, it is the problem of producing innate structures of cognition.

Here´s (((their))) take on this for the less alchemically inclined:

> http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6428/692

> Can aspects of brain circuitry, overlooked in AI models so far, provide a key to AGI?

> The difference centers on the age-old question about the balance between empiricism and nativism in cognition, namely, the relative roles of innate cognitive structures and general learning mechanisms.

They will try to replicate extant neural circuit properties. Which have not been able to get us to the stars.

You have mentioned being a conduit for ideas beyond your immidiate comprehension.

What´s your take on this? Is it similar to Tesla or Russell Targ? Where can I get more info on this?

>>466

It's a brute force data collection play. The idea is if you treat all neural structures as a blackbox, you might be able to tease out underlying principles. An empiricist's wet dream to not have to do the hard work of philosophy of mind.

This technique worked with a Lockheed-Martin project once. Deep belief networks are powerful, but… the brain is beyond set theory approximations. The soft sciences are paying the price for this now and all of economics will be undone by the end of it.

This technique of brute forcing the connectome alone, sadly, will not get us to the stars because the brain is more than the sum of its parts. Because of our work with Neanderthal brains, I know of one unique behavior of neurons that the entire neuroscience community has never even considered. It's hilarious watching faulty premises continue to drive policy, politics, culture, and mass discourse, knowing they are all wrong. Provides quite the opportunity to undo the entire Boomer culture monopoyl

Targ's work has been modernized into IARPA's superforecaster research projects.

There is no material that I can think of to get people up to speed on this easily. I recommend reviewing the Milanote and asking questions as you go along.