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 No.410

This is, bar none, the most emotional and heart-breaking Genesis has ever been. I've been recently going through family trauma, and this song perfectly connects with my feelings. Forget Afterglow, Alone Tonight, Undertow, Ripples, Please Don't Ask, or even Undertale. Phil's voice is so beautiful yet his performance here, in his 40s, sounds so destroyed and mauled. Peter Gabriel can never pull off a song like this.

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 No.411

Of all the songs I chose not to include this song in my customized version of We Can't Dance which removes the songs I personally consider filler, this is easily the best. While Never A Time is just Throwing It All Away but worse and Hold On My Heart is just In Too Deep but more compelling, Since I Lost You is a song which objectively has nothing wrong with it. You could argue it suffers from sounding too much like solo Phil but not enough like Genesis, and I wouldn't disagree that it might sound like that, I would argue it's a better Phil ballad than anything that came after his first two solo albums. That chorus easily could have sounded whiny as fuck if Phil decided to phone it in, but as you said, he's ace in this song.

I don't know that Peter could never do a song like this, but he definitely never would. Pete always lacked the confidence to scale back on the music and let his voice take command in a song meant to evoke these emotions. He's flirted with it sometimes - Don't Give Up sort of tries this and fails, the more minimalist live versions of Here Comes the Flood do it with more success. He could probably knock the chorus of Since I Lost You out of the park, but he would never touch those verses.

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 No.412

I think that song was pretty corny, even Tony Banks took a piss on it in an interview. The most emotional Genesis song imo is Duchess.

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 No.413

>>412

He's entitled to his own opinion, but I've lost a bit of respect for him. His own songs about loss aren't particularly any better, Undertow is forced pretentious garbage on repeats and Afterglow lost any sort of impact after that computer game about funny skeletons. I'm sorry, Tony.

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 No.415

>>413

Fading Lights was when Tony's gibberish lyrics actually worked the best. When he described what that song meant in the No Admittance documentary, I started to understand the method to his madness because he attempts to put into words feelings that don't have words. His word salad really only works in emotional songs like Fading Lights and Afterglow while they're craptastic in narrative songs like Firth of Fifth and Silver Rainbow. You have to have gone through exactly what Tony is getting at in his songs in order to understand him; maybe that's objectively had songwriting, but when it hits you, it really hits you. The retarded thing about Undertale fans co-opting Afterglow is that they saw a narrative in the song that wasn't really there; it's just Tony's cryptically roundabout way of expressing his thoughts.

Undertow is fairly straightforward as far as Tony lyrics go. I'm surprised you don't like it.

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 No.417

>>413

His opinions are weird sometimes, he seems to not like Selling England by the Pound while Duke is his favorite album. I didn't find Undertow of Afterglow to be pretentious, but I would agree if you mentioned the lyrics to songs like Time Table or Firth of Fifth.

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