/fur/ - Furry★

Please Stop allowing convicted non convicted and known zoophiles to furry conventions. AKA furries.

Signed,

The Internet.

Please stop having conventions

Signed,

Basil Fawlty, Hotelier.

Please Stop.

Signed,

Shitposter.

>>89688

nope please stop supporting pedophillia and zoophillia.

>>89695

Furry is leading the mainstream rather than integrating into it. Furry had the initiative when it came to the modern, individualised e-commerce that defines the entertainment economy in the post-modern era. For all a few jumped up kids who read too much EncyclopediaDramatica think, most of the world doesn't really care that people are furries. The days where being found out could pose a career advancement risk are over. By the 2020s, even in sensitive careers like politics nobody will care.

Furry is however dominated by the kind of tools who ruin everything counterculture. There's an image going around that calls these people mops, but that image has one fundamental flaw: It imagines that the problem with mops is that they don't contribute at all, that they complain that charging money for the cultural product in question is unfair. This is a misreading of the situation. With exception to certain e-communities (like 4chan), the problem with mops is that they've got plenty of money but nothing else to contribute except their poor tastes and limited imagination. Prior "real fans" may indeed have contributed money buying a product in a community (usually one with a physical product to sell, like music fans buying albums, but contributing to a community at gigs and electrifying the atmosphere.), but in such circumstances their monetary contribution is incidental.

The best ending scenario for furry would be for corporations to move in. You've got a much better chance of a genuinely interesting furry culture arising if fursuits cost $300 than if they cost $3000. they may not be "artisan" crafted products anymore, but you can make your own custom modifications to the corporate product, a far more personal statement than giving someone else a picture and a fat stack of cash. the lower the cost, the greater the risks in customization you could take. For art, the situation is more complex - but a commercial software for creating character references, with sufficient effort and support, would be a start, particularly if it was easy to pirate and not riddled with additional purchases. The diffuse nature of the fandom as it stands would actually come to stand for something, and the expensive products currently taken as the core of the fandom would be seen in a new light, and hopefully the old doyens would be defenstrated by the new communities that arose rather than revered as they are now.

The future is not dark, the future is not bright, the future is stupid. Furry cries out for an industrial and cultural revolution.

Please Stop allowing children to wander around a convention for 18+ sexual deviants, this isn't, never was, and never will be a "family friendly lifestyle/fandom/community", newfurfags need to stop pretending that it is.

Signed,

People with basic sense

>>89720

um acshually the sexual side is NOT the majority, stop trying to dictate how other people enjoy their hobbies :)

furaffinity statistics:

general: 76%

mature: 11%

adult: 13%

now, who wants to see NON SEXUAL collection of footpaw pictures

sexual replies will be deleted and blocked

>>89716

The other way around. That's cute though :3

>>89716

>She got her dad into it too

Holy shit

>>89734

Nobody is taking you seriously NPC.

Stop calling People Rats and maybe we will take you seriously.

>>89691

nope please stop strawmanning.

>>89681 (OP)

Got some names?

>>89691

Unless you're one of the guys who thinks looking at feral/cub porn absolutely must mean you're into real animals/children, there's only a handful supporting either and they're not gaining traction.

>>89716

It's 2018. Nobody gives a shit about Juggalos. Half of them probably dropped out anyway after ICP said, "hey, all our work was supposed to be Christian allegory, and we were warning AGAINST people being like the 'juggalos' in our songs."

>>89720

The only kids I've ever seen at fur cons have been with parents. And seeing as there really ISN'T sex in the hallways and exposed porn in the dealers' rooms, who gives a shit?

>>89716

>she turned her dad into a furfag

>that fucking head

kek

>>89751

>and exposed porn in the dealers' rooms

there almost always is

>>89714

>Furry cries out for an industrial and cultural revolution.

maofur gang

Banning pedos would ban 80% of the fandom.

>>89734

i dont have foot stamps.

>>89721

top grossing artist on FA draws primarly yiff.

reverse those numbers regardless of volume the furry fandom is highly sexual and perverse to where its out in the open.

lots of murrsuiters and stuff have stopped posting on public sites in an attempt to mitigate this but its all quite apparenty why there doing it and its plain damage control.

its hilarious.

>>89793

ferzu and growlr are both popular murrsuit hookup and zoophile hotspots/ as well as MAP/ pedo breeding ground where anyone making an account can pose as being 18.

>>89793

i'd love to see a real breakdown of F/A general uploads by type.

you'd still underreport fetish content since plenty will just be uploaded as "general", but assuming they've got numbers for all the various sub categories you could get a ballpark figure. it's not unreasonable to assume all bondage artwork is sexual.

>>89795

even the general uploads like footpaws are a fetish because its a foot FETISH ie you get sexual arousal from it people dont just upload feet and go hey man im being artistic its to skirt censors and get to a wider broader community.

now even pedos are getting in on the foot thing and little children are sending feet picks because you cant perscecute a foot.

its digusting.

i dont have the exact figures but it happens alot on discords filled with teens for furries which alot of them are strictly teens perfect predeator haven cause telegram requires a phone # where discord is basically the tumblr of chat.

its gross.

>>89816

whats it mean?

>>89828

its an ICP member.

>>89721

>general makes up 76% of submission content

>adult gets 76% of overall views

>>89847

oh shit, owned people who think its not sexual.

>>89847

I don't even believe that statistic. If I visit FA right now with the SFW filter off, at any given time; nearly half of the images on the front page will be mature or adult.

>>89858

even if you visit it with the filter on, there are plenty of images you can tell were created for the purpose of aiding masturbation.

>>89860

yeah and children can see those. its on purpose.

>>89758

Not that I've seen, but that's just me, and close to 20 years of furcons.

>>89862

Are you suggesting that FA intentionally puts fetish art on the G-rated version of the site, with the express purpose of having them be seen by kids? That's quite an accusation. Pedophiles are everywhere? "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!"

>>89878

I don't have any personal experience, but I've known some people who use party drugs, and nearly all of what they've encountered at cons was marijuana. You might ask around the dance late at night (there's a bit of overlap between furries and ravers). You might find MDMA, but it probably won't be as easily-accessible as at a full-blown rave. I'd bet LSD and Ecstasy would be about the same level of difficulty.

>>89921

exposing children to potential sexual predators and pedophiles is a big no no and is not welcome in the furry fandom. please kill yourself.

>>89999

>replied to a tangent conversation as if it had the same exact topic as OP

I'm pretty sure you either didn't\can't read, or replied to the wrong post. You're probably just a troll though.

>>90015

im actually the OP of this entire thread to bring attention to sangie and growly (who still fucks people BTW against his probation statue) at MFF.

>>90018

because growly is a registed SO and was at a con around children which is a big deal and sangie was a convicted but expunged for some strange reason pedophile for molesting children and i think possessing child porn.

so you can go fuck yourself pedo supporter.

>>90060

>does anyone know who the suitmaker is?

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/drakonicknight/

>>90019

I was against pedophilia. But you're starting to change my mind. You make me want to support them, just to spite a hateful cunt like you.

>>90060

ive also heard of coventions allowing non parents but people who are essentialy legal guardians "sign a wavor" responsibile for the young childrne they bring ie a 17yo bringing a 6yo with them no parent around freely wandering around is perfectly legal at a furry convention. man thats not a PR disaster, oops did a i spoil it for all the pedophiles now? good.

>>90063

oh why am i so hateful because im worried about the safety of children and two pedophiles and dozens more at a babyfur meetup which is known to harbor pedophiles? and im a spiteful cunt for ensuring the safety and awareness of the furry community?

get real pedo supporter.

That 17 year old would not be permitted to register for any US con I know of without parental consent, so he wouldn’t be able to bring a friend of any age to the con.

>>90082

Have you ever seen a little kid wandering around with a parent at a con? I know I haven't. I've only seen a small number of kids, and every one was with what was obviously a parent.

>>90141

I’ve seen small children at cons with what arguably looked like sketchy grownups but which I’m sure were parents. Never unaccompanied or with minors.

>>89909

You can get drugs at furry cons. Last one I attended I could have gotten e, lsd, or some crazy shit I never heard of that was all letters and numbers. I’m a weed guy so I abstained but if I knew where to find them everyone does. I’m super white.

>>89909

MDMA and ecstasy are the same thing

>>89755

We're all dead already. This is purgatory.

pedophiles and drug dealers and sex offenders and zoophiles are not welcome here , please leave or return to normal sex where everyone drew everyone with glowsticks stop trying to entrap people the police who keep setting up these bait posts everyones just trying to have a good time.

legally,

zoophillia.

sexual assault of a child are all felonies in MFF/ con territories.

please keep them out of the major cons and the fandom.

>>90145

I'd posit you only felt they were sketchy because you expected that only a creepy adult would bring a kid to a furcon. They were probably not the slightest bit sketchy, in appearance or otherwise.

>>90147

Shows how much I know. I don't even smoke weed. I like my wits about me when I party.

It would be fucking hilarious if Chris Hansen would show up with a camera crew to a major furry con. Some furries might commit suicide on the spot, knowing the fandom would be forever fucked.

>>90284

omg this.

so has any of those pedos been outed yet besides the usual of Tayferret or are we going to continue to put children and minors in the fandom at risk?

>>90147

When you're being sold it on the street, yes. But MDMA is the pure drug and ecstasy can be cut with other things like MDA or amphetamines. If you want to be safe and actually want to know what you're taking you buy MDMA crystals and test them with reagents.

>>90360

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>>90284

Heeeere we go again. "The whole fandom is filled with active pedophiles." Got any proof for that? Besides Tayferret, there have been something like five or six arrested pedos over the entire history of the fandom, and one (as far as I know) not arrested, the BetaWolf guy who used to try to blackmail artists into drawing cub rape.

How many threads are you going to spam with "OMG pedos are everywhere, the fandom is full of them"?

>>90360

I vaguely recall from my rave-going days that E was always cut with something, but the only thing I knew about pure E was that, supposedly, you could only get it in Europe. Again, not using the stuff, I didn't bother to find out more. I do recall my friends saying that, if you had a reputable dealer, you could know that a blue dolphin or a pink star was always cut the same and would have the same effect.

>>90399

>Got any proof for that?

Inkbunny dot net

But really the rich coastal white kids are the fandom's biggest problem nowadays. The paedos and zoos are a side-show.

>>90399

>Got any proof for that?

Who needs proof when you have a friendly janny that deletes all those mean posts that disagree with you? :)

stop allowing pedos into the fandom.

>>90429

why do you delete posts that disagree with him, stop hiding the truth.

>>90429

>>90404

no the pedos and zoos need to be brought to the light.

pedophiles roasting over an open fire.

underage mouths nipping at there diccks.

any time anywhere merry christmas.

death to all pedoooos!

>>90510

You samefag all over the place with your zero punctuation shit. So you burn the kids on their dicks, too?

What a dumb piece of shit.

>>90404

>Inkbunny dot net

Ah, I see. You're on the "everybody who likes cub porn is a child molester" bandwagon.

>>90534

For a nonce apologist you're surprisingly bad at making the distinction between a pedophile and a child molester

>>90552

both are the same pedophilia is the "sexuality" identifier and child molester is the denoation to a pedophile who has acted sexually ie committed a crime against a child.

>>90063

Wrong reason. You should support them because of the right reasons.

http://phys.org/news/2010-11-legalizing-child-pornography-linked-sex.html

http://phys.org/news166769376.html

http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/legal-child-pornography-reduces-child-sex-crimes-milton-diamond-hawaii

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_child_pornography_and_child_sexual_abuse

https://falkvinge.net/2012/05/23/cynicism-redefined-why-the-copyright-lobby-loves-child-porn/

https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-must-be-re-legalized-in-the-coming-decade/

https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/11/child-porn-laws-arent-as-bad-as-you-think-theyre-much-much-worse/

>>90571

this will just create more crime, need children to make child porn just doesnt come from nowhere.

>>90581

Perhaps it shouldn't be a criminal offense to love.

Furry cubs per se don't automatically imply a lust for human children, which is society's child concern with pedophilia. Anyone arguing otherwise would be some kind of unlived fool. It's more likely that furry cubs per se prevent more abuse than they cause, from all I can see including limited research.

At the same time I can understand the disgust toward it because it idealizes situations with children in often the same ways in which real pedophiles have abused and created victims of child abuse. I think a real victim of child abuse is beyond justified as being disgusted by the situations depicted in cub porn. I would say it's practically immoral for a website or society to not hide that content by default - but explicit content is already generally already banned from public view in society. I suppose Inkbunny could improve on that mostly by being an opt-in system, i.e. "cub" tag is in your excluded tags by default.

It's this extreme situation where nothing is done that's necessarily morally wrong per se, but the disgust is fully palpable.

>>90582

keep wishing for that, its never going to happen, theres laws for a reason to prevent abuse people from like you from raping children.

>>90585

he preyed on someone who was 13 dude, you dont do that the boy hasnt even entered puberty yet after being a child and hes already got people fucking him in the ass, thats not fair at all, let the kid make his own decisions with people his OWN age first instead of flooded with hormones and what not unable to make decisions because now he has all these strange things going on,

the kid did not known any better lavadog did, stop giving the attacker credit and start giving the child credit for being naive. fuck sakes all these pedo defenders makes me want to shoot up the next sex offender meeting.

Honestly, I don't understand why these websites that require accounts to view explicit content don't just allow all content and then hide them using default tag excludes. Basically anything considered extreme by society is in this list by default, and it's presented to the user (along with list of all possible tags) directly during registration. Afterwards, mis-tagging is more seriously enforced.

I haven't brought up the idea to anyone because I know I'll be ignored, either for administrative reasons or by militants.

>>90590

I neither said nor implied any of the things you're saying.

im in the wrong thing.

>>89716

A natural alliance.

>>90596

of course furries would align with people who were once listed as FBI threat.

>>90552

Oh, I know the distinction very well. My putting it the way I did went over your head, it seems. There's a running belief that "into cub porn" = "real-life pedo" and "real-life pedo" = "child molester."

I'm only an apologist for the cub folks who aren't into real kids. If I find out someone IS, whether or not they're a molester, my support of that person is off.

>>90585

>Furry cubs per se don't automatically imply a lust for human children, which is society's child concern with pedophilia

Exactly.

>At the same time I can understand the disgust toward it because it idealizes situations with children in often the same ways in which real pedophiles have abused and created victims of child abuse

Yes, but it should be noted that a lot of cub porn depicts young characters basically acting, behaving and talking like adults.

>>90627

>I'm only an apologist for the cub folks who aren't into real kids.

so you're still an apologist for paedophiles, just not ones who act on their desires. glad we agree.

>>90399

Furries gang raped Eevee when he was in his young teens and nobody reported it to the police, he even convinced himself it was how your first time is supposed to be.

So nah fam, if Hanson really wanted to pay a child actor to go deep cover you could probably annihilate any major West Coast or East Coast furcon.

>>90634

>so you're still an apologist for paedophiles, just not ones who act on their desires. glad we agree

Well, yes and no. They may not be into real kids, even in photos.

>>90642

I see. "A couple of furries are pedo rapists" = "the whole fandom are pedo rapists." Thanks for clearing that up.

>>90648

I didn't say that, but it's a direct debunk to the idea that the number of reported and indicted pedophiles and child rapists in the community is the same as the number active. Furries shield their own from being reported for a lot of sick shit; people were torturing and killing animals to fuck them and only got busted after one person had enough, and even then they didn't go to the authorities. There's a lot of sick fucks, identifying as a "furry" is you literally voluntarily affiliating with animal torturers and child rapists, because they and the people that defend them identify as the same. If you want your community to look good, you have to actively starve out those sorts of people by not funding or consuming their content and viciously ousting and reporting them whenever there's an issue.

It's like the Catholic church; people were understandably mad that kids were being abused, but the real outrage came from the fact people KNEW and were either complicit by not wanting to rock the boat or actively covering up.

>>90649

this ^

>>90649

If you drive the real pedophiles off sites like Inkbunny, all that happens is they'll find a more closed off circlejerk.

Meaning you make it 3x harder for anyone to find and report the real dangerous pedos.

If you actually care about preventing child rape, you must exploit their stupidity of posting on visible sites. Anything less is just posturing. (They don't necessarily hunker down in response because at population level they have short memories and you get newbie pedos all the time who have no idea how much hurt they're in for - and a lot of them are not that smart either, up to retardedly seeking out the negative attention)

>>90688

True, but they simply don’t report.

Of the two groups involved in a criminal sexual misconduct scandal this year that lasted a considerably amount of time, BOTH had to go to KiwiFarms for anything to get done. Glitchedpuppet’s trio was never charged because the one person that could didn’t want to cooperate with the police and have to sit through a trial last I heard, and he Kero stuff required non-furs or closet ones to actually do good. 2019 is looking to be the return of the fur bashing cycle and honestly it’s deserved.

>>90649

>people were torturing and killing animals to fuck them and only got busted after one person had enough, and even then they didn't go to the authorities

The thing is, very few people knew that was happening at all. It isn't as though the furry community at large were hiding it, they didn't know at all because those involved covered it themselves.

>identifying as a "furry" is you literally voluntarily affiliating with animal torturers and child rapists, because they and the people that defend them identify as the same

That's like saying I shouldn't call myself bisexual because there are disgusting, sick fucks out there who call themselves bisexual. When sick fucks show themselves, they should get in hot water. Until then, there's no reason to disconnect from a community simply because a tiny number are hidden away somewhere being evil.

>people KNEW and were either complicit by not wanting to rock the boat or actively covering up

The differences are that lots of people knew about that, and it was widespread. In the fandom, the sickos are in tiny numbers, and seemingly don't share their filth with anyone but other sickos. We can't ferret out what we can't see, until they show themselves.

>>90692

>didn’t want to cooperate with the police and have to sit through a trial

That's not uncommon when someone is scared. We as a community need to make it clear that, if someone is being abused, we as a community can and will be supportive.

>>90725

And yet, half the people that were hearing about it called the victim insane/a liar/jealous/etc. One of the other victims (who participated but didn't have sufficient grounds for a case) got a (lame, edgy) death threat just for coming out about it. Glitchedpuppet and her husbands are KNOWN child exposure hazards who had been known about for 10 years and have very vocal defenders.

>>90725

>We as a community need to make it clear that, if someone is being abused, we as a community can and will be supportive.

The community won't though. Most furs simply don't care or value their popufur cummies more than the wellbeing of the abused.

>>90728

and they should be outed and reported to conventions and people should have more outcry about it.

>>90734

this ^

https://furrywatch.dog/

perfect

https://twitter.com/FandomWatchdogs

>>90728

>And yet, half the people that were hearing about it called the victim insane/a liar/jealous/etc

We call that sockpuppeting.

>The community won't though

You can say that all you like, but we won't know until we try. Right now, there's people trying to drum up widespread anger at the perps, but I don't see the same widespread push to openly and directly support victims.

>>90812

This will be great as long as it's not run the way that "which fursuiters are murrsuiters" page a few years back, wherein anyone could submit a claim, all claims were posted publicly, and no discussion or proof-to-the-contrary was permitted.

> In the future, the site may have a "tipline" feature for users to submit problematic fandom members and evidence for review

As long as claims are indeed reviewed carefully. Who's running this? It'd be nice to know who's behind it.

>>90829

>Who's running this? It'd be nice to know who's behind it.

Just some fine (((furries who want to make a difference))). Stop asking so many questions, Goy.

>>90812

>TheQuQu

>incidents logged:1

>leader of #AltFurry

oh fuck off

>>90642

>if Hanson really wanted to pay a child actor to go deep cove

Chris Hansen has never hired anyone underage for those stings. They pick someone around age 18-19 who looks mostly passabe for 13-15 without a close inspection(which is not impossible to find- porn star Ariel Rebel is in her 30s and could be mistaken for 18 or under) AND they keep both show security and the police ready to defend them in case one of the house predators tries something with them.

This is why he'd be unlikely to send a decoy into a place like a furry con alone, the risk of rape would be too much since there would be zero security. Sure he coudl send in someone else to act as a "pimp" but that might get argued as entrapment- and he already has piles of stupid fuckhead screaming that over what he does now, despite their being none.

However we might get lucky and Zaush walks into a sting house one day. If he were televised the resulting story would bring the shitshown down.

That said, with all the shit about furries floating around, it's a miracle there haven't been widespread arrests or laws. But then again, with the entertainment industry, government and all that being full of people up to no good they may not really care. I bet if Hansen ever caught a senator they'd find him with 50 or so bullet holes a day later and the story covered up.

On a side note someone at lulz.net really hates him. It's wondered if the poster himself was busted on TCAP or was related to a catch.

>>90845

IIRC Hanson's program did catch a federal judge before, who committed suicide before being apprehended.

>>90835

LOL. I like knowing who's involved.

>>90725

>if someone is being abused, we as a community can and will be supportive.

How do you know if someone is being abused or faking it for attention/money/revenge?

>>90812

As trustworthy as the Crash Override Network.

>>90873

The people glitchedpuppet abused had evidence and Marl’s confession

>>90877

and why wasnt he reported or brought to justice.

>>90877

Well? Why wasnt he?

>>90924

>>91034

The police required the victim herself in order to take it to trial and she refused.

>>91035

sounds like she was intimidated.

>>90873

>How do you know if someone is being abused or faking it for attention/money/revenge?

Support doesn't have to mean sending money. I'd rather support someone who's faking than ignore someone who really needs support.

>>91037

Or just scared, as many victims are. And it can be traumatic to go through trial, face the person, talk about it, have a lawyer try to prove you're full of shit, etc.

>>90877

>>91035

If it doesn't go to trial, it doesn't exist.

It's too easy to make shit up when there's no consequences.

>>91059

>Support doesn't have to mean sending money.

What do you mean by support?

How would you support someone, without said support being exploitable?

>>91524

he doesnt need to be around children, hes a sick fuck who uses his business as a non contact excuse so he can view all the little kids and lick his lips mentally then go back to a hotel room and suck off a 300 pound furfag with no fursuit who thinks hes 3.

>>91524

>How would you support someone, without said support being exploitable?

Even support of people who really, deeply need it could be exploited. If one's condition of support is that it mustn't be, one will never help anyone. I'm talking about emotional support, but you have to be prepared for two possibilities before going in: first, that you'll find out they really do need it and you'll have to decide whether you can invest, and second, that whether or not they really deserve it, they might exploit it, and you must be willing to disengage if need be.

>>91528

Replied to the wrong post?

>>91573

>I'm talking about emotional support

The "I'm sorry this happened to you" kind?

With no further assistance of any other kind, so no spreading the word for example?

I can kind of get behind that.

>>91575

>so no spreading the word for example?

I don't mind spreading the word. People can choose to support or not. Money, no.

>>91743

>13

>on twitter

I call bull, no way people under 16 are on twitter.

That reminds me, anyone know a furry named Feathery / FallenFeathers / Lance Feathery Avian?

Lives near Barrie, ON last I checked a few years ago. Nothing malicious about him, but he's way far off the kink deep end. I met him once, one of the few furs I actually met IRL, and I broke contact a long long time ago. Just curious to see what became of him.

>>91777

Sniff is an asshole. 'Nuff sed.

>>91777

MAP, Hebephile, pedophile, its all child molestation. nice motive, still illegal.

>>91779

theres plenty of children 13 and younger on twitter you just need to know how to find them, ask tayferret and growly they probably know, if they loosen there lips

>>91821

You forgot ephebophile too

>>91822

>you just need to know how to find them

I don't want to know how to find 13 year olds on Twitter, and I seriously hope nobody here does either

>>91856

and this was the point of the thread that there are furries that DO

>>91860

If OP is DarkShadowFox, HIS point-- I'd prefer to call it a claim, not a point-- is that the fandom is jam-packed full of pedophiles. Which is why he spams every thread bout it. He has no proof.