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 No.88131>>88132 >>88149 >>88196 >>88361 >>89956 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>this is what furries will defend with their money

The fact that "people" are going to claim these spots disappoints me because they don't know any better about value.

You could've spent $1000 on anything other than a piece of drawings, like sport cars or a good house.

>inb4 fuck poorfags xd

 No.88132

>>88131 (OP)

I'm not gonna defend shitty YCHs but you clearly get more high quality art from pic 1 than 2 or 4, whether it's worth the extra is an open question but not like it's the exact same product.


 No.88135>>88141 >>88142

Look, if a porn artist can exploit the secret fetishes of a hedge fund manager or one of their kids then who are you to complain?


 No.88141

>>88135

I think it's worth complaining because it pushes any sense of community to the wayside. The boring hedge-fund manager buys himself a position in the community while average people get pushed out because they can't keep up.

It's always viewed as an individual, voluntary transaction between two people rather than something that reverberates through a community as a whole, despite taking place within that community.

on the other hand at this stage i kind of just want things to get as silly and obscene as possible, there's no saving furry as a community but if it accelerates too fast perhaps it can be a warning sign for everyone else rather than a signpost to the future.


 No.88142>>88143

>>88135

people's willingness to pay these prices fucks the entire community up. people on minimum wage, good luck buying anything. it also makes artists get a big ego and they start treating the people who can afford them like shit and they have absurd wait times. i've bought many many things that would take a mere 15 minutes, i'm not being hyperbolic, i bought a keychain from some dumb cunt, and they were so used to retards throwing money at them that they didn't give a fuck about customer service or anything and drew out that 15 minute task to months.

morg charging $30 for his cubist anatomy laffy taffy diarrhea scribbles he uploads 20 of a day is absolutely fucked, we're living in a clown world


 No.88143>>88144

>>88142

IT SETS A PRECEDENT is what i'm trying to say.

if i'm a new artist coming into the fandom, and i see a barney the dinosaur retard like Morg charing motherfucking $30, it would be absurd to not match that, or charge twice that. and that's exactly what they do.

then they join a discord group full of artist fucks like morg who talk shit about their customers and boast about how theyre making a guy like me wait 3 months for something so menial they could do it on the loading screen of their piece of shit kike propaganda overwatch game or whatever.


 No.88144

>>88143

charging*


 No.88149>>88152

>>88131 (OP)

2nd one seems like a great set of prices, though.


 No.88152>>88153

>>88149

I thought the same until I actually looked at the art. Not worth a cent. There are far more artists out there that will do much better work for the same amount.


 No.88153

>>88152

Is that so? I might have to try to find some. Was wanting to get some cheap art for a dnd character I've got.


 No.88196>>88294

>>88131 (OP)

It's a buyer's market. If you don't like it than don't pay for it.

I agree YCH are cancerous, but you're making some crazy stretches.

Pic 1's prices, yeah they are expensive but there's a lot of quality, but not enough to justify a minimum $350 buy-in when there are artists out there who do the same quality within the 80-150 range for their highest tier.

What would be the solution? Don't commission them. It's a buyer's market for a luxury.

Picture 2's is not as high of quality and thus lower price, the fact you're including it in your "$1000 piece of drawings" but those prices are more than reasonable.

30 euros is a good price for a full color with background picture (Extra 10 for a detailed background) and the fact they're not charging double for any extra characters is good. Just an extra $10 for detailed characters like the one displayed is a bit of a steal, especially all of the artists that'll separate detailing (I.E: Wings add $10, detailed clothing add $20, etc.) But a flat rate of just 10 these days is almost unheard of.

You also seem to think that $1000 is good enough for a sports car or a "good house" when $1000 wouldn't even be enough for a down payment on either, especially vehicles around the $42k range or a $300k house. If anything your comparison is like how a little kid would think $100 is enough to buy anything in the world.

And this isn't me saying "Fuck poorfags" but if you're not in a spot where you can afford a luxury that only gives you something pretty to look at then you shouldn't be buying into said luxury in the first place.

You complain about prices being too high but post an image where one of these artists is offering art at about $33 for a decent full color image, and arguably fair prices for complexities/other characters. I completely agree on the other images having too high of prices, but you linking that only tells me that you should focus a lot more on keeping your electricity on than paying for any luxury at all until you find a more stable job.


 No.88258

I don't buy cheap or shit art but miles-df is milking his popularity chain and people should stop buying into it.

$120 to be in a poster in the background, goodness gracious.


 No.88294>>88360

>>88196

>And this isn't me saying "Fuck poorfags", but fuck you poorfag


 No.88325>>88353 >>88365

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 No.88331>>88347

Who can blame the artists? I mean the furry fandom is full of people with rare/niche fetishes who are willing to spend a shitton of money because art of their niche fetish is so hard to find (as in no artist would draw it for themselves). Also sex sells, especially in this fandom.


 No.88347>>88354

>>88331

I blame everyone tbh, if I can restrict myself to imageboards and have nothing to do with the fandom except pouring scorn with the benefit of insider knowledge then so can everyone else.


 No.88353

>>88325

rob spaghetti.


 No.88354

>>88347

fuck off stop taking my job.


 No.88360

>>88294

>how dare people tell me that I can't spend my rent money on shitty porn of my OC


 No.88361>>88368

>>88131 (OP)

>slot 1 $1180

>slot 2 $880

ignoring the retardedly high price of these slots and the fact that this one image will be making a fortune...

Why are these prices so weird? Why not just round them to the nearest hundred or something? What is the logic behind how this pricing even works?


 No.88365>>88614 >>89879

>>88325

>The notorious Muriat purchase

Hold on, theres two sides to this story.

The reason why he made such a high purchase wasn't by demand for the adopt, but was actually to help his friend Patto out of a tight spot. He would have given him the money but felt it was better to buy his adopt instead.


 No.88368>>88387

>>88361

Probably distance from the front of the image. Posters on the back are cheapest, front and center is the most expensive. Ones in the back will likely be less detailed.


 No.88383

holy fuck i need to learn how to draw


 No.88387

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>>88368

I think what he meant is why aren't the prices $1200 and 900$, a nice and round value, instead of being seemingly-arbitrary random one like that.

To answer that though, they're charm prices, like "ONLY $99.99!!!". Meant to trick potential buyers into thinking it's cheaper than it actually is because retards mentally round values down rather than up (so 1180 = 1100, maybe even 1000, instead of 1200).

The fact an artist uses a tactic that is universally associated with lower-quality goods that sell more based on looking like they're "good deals" rather than being good per se speaks volumes in and of itself.


 No.88519

Flat price +1k is eh... Intense price. But some of the other commissions aren't far out there as far as fair rates go. Average minimum wage in the US is 7.25 USD. Depending on the artist a piece can take hours, paced across maybe a week or two (pacing is good for work in progress check ins and room for warm ups, not going all in one go is a form of quality control.) The work time can land about 2-6 hours but can also land up to 8-15 hours depending on art styles, character design, etc.

So an average artist (5 hours) at average minimum wage is 36.25 USD

But also the minimum wage sucks. With 15 USD per hour 5 hours of work is 75 USD

(most artists I talk to charge 15)

Which is why its common to find works between 60-100s.


 No.88614>>88617

>>88365

Uhhuh. Why didn't he just bid $1600 right at the start then?


 No.88616>>89945

>YCH auctions

>Patreon welfare

>Character auctions

If I had known furfaggotry would become so profitable and they were so easily parted from their money I would have studied art.


 No.88617

>>88614

1600 for art... jfc that would be better invested into something.


 No.89879

>>88365

so it was rigged. Nice!


 No.89945

>>88616

yeah well woulda shoulda coulda... btw you might be surprised to learn that mundanes will also pay $200-$5000 a piece for traditional art works in all sorts of themes, including animals. It's not too late to study art.


 No.89956>>89957

>>88131 (OP)

“Love is in the bin” sold for over a million dollars.. before it was shredded. It’s a stencil work that by its very nature takes only seconds to produce with a couple of rattle cans.

The buyer agreed to complete the sale even tho the art was intact when the gavel fell. Any buyer would have done the same thing, because any retard knows that now it’s even more valuable, being “the first work of art ever created live during its own sale.”

That’s $1.2M for a not-even-all-the-way-shredded piece of paper with some spray paint stenciled on it, just in case you don’t follow the news. Not an oil painting with any kind of masterful brushwork on it. Not a rendering of any specific person, event, place, or story. No OCs. Just the hype of a famous street artist’s name.

So if you still think there is any rational mechanism behind art pricing, or if you still think that the furry art market is disproportionately out of touch compared to the world art market, please do explain why you feel that way because I don’t get it.


 No.89957>>89972

>>89956

art is part of the art community

furry art is part of the furry community

that's the simple version


 No.89972>>89980 >>90051

>>89957

I realize that my earlier post was kinda long and maybe hard to follow.

My point is that it seems like the only thing different here is that it’s furries doing it.

Doesn’t it annoy you just a little that someone who has a million dollars just lying around would find greater fulfillment hanging up a Banksy piece than they would, say, funding the building of a school? Or a hospital wing? Or even taking a joyride into space to further scientific research and experience something only a few dozen humans have gotten a chance to experience? Since it is literally thousands of times the dollar amounts being bandied around in here.

I have a friend whose a woodcarver. Not furry. He does traditional sculpture. He couldn’t sell a piece for $300 in three different galleries. A fourth gallery owner suggested he significantly raise his prices. He put a $2500 price tag on it, expecting that it would be even less popular, and it sold almost immediately. You can’t make up shit like this.

You may have furries all figured out but I guarantee you the art world is far more complex.


 No.89980>>89985 >>89986 >>90051

>>89972

Furries could do such amazing charity work, and change the public's perception of them forever.

But no, they'd rather make lame "everyone else is doing it too" excuses when it comes to wasting so much money on bullshit.


 No.89985>>90051

>>89980

Putting aside the fact that furries are heavy supporters of things like pediatric medical research and animal hospitals and shelters, again, I just asked is it not a little bit annoying that an INDIVIDUAL would pay over $1M for a piece of mass produced graffiti instead of building a hospital wing, and your reply is that furries could also donate money? None of them have a mil just lying around.

This is really not a matter of “everyone else is doing it.” No furries are blowing a million a pop on publicity stunts from over the hill street artists. No furry work of art has ever sold even close to that price. Furries MIGHT mimic art moguls if any of them were anywhere near that income bracket. And yeah you’re absolutely right that most furry art is garbage, but that still doesn’t answer my question of why furries deserve to be the first target here. If society is the same way in general then it might be a problem with society, not a problem with furries.

People who cannot afford to buy art don’t typically buy art. If that makes you mad then you should either become an artist or figure out a way to enrich the lives of the poor. The solution is not to attack the institution of art as a valuable commodity.


 No.89986

>>89980

Furries aren't organized, they're not a church, no need to create some sort of public perception or anything. It's just a hobby where people make or buy things (mainly arts and crafts) for themselves. Donating is good, but it has nothing to do with what people should or shouldn't be doing as furries.


 No.90027

i wish everyone went back to drawing there fursonas with glowsticks and being ravers.


 No.90051>>90080

>>89972

I don't really believe in charity or philanthropy as a systemic solution to problems. It annoys me rich little californian kids piss money up the wall in this fandom and generally culturally dominate the west, and to a lesser degree how rich new york/london bankers and ad-men dominate the world, but my preferred option would be for them to not have money at all. That could be via taxation, or it could be via an economic rebalancing towards currently overlooked areas and industries with better income distribution effects, or it could be through divine intervention. (The concern is not so much the political argument of how when dealing with such a preference, because it won't come about.)

When it comes to building schools and hospitals I'm a strong universalist. There's no point relying on the whims of rich people to pick up the tab because what you'll wind up with is a million schools and hospitals in London, America's western and north-eastern states, etc, while the backwaters that actually need refreshed public services continue to be overlooked. For that you really need a government (or if you hate government, some other body) with a legal obligation to provide service to everyone, everywhere.

Art pricing is stupid and wacky, but it's not really for consumer culture. It gets strange and meta since you can't definitively say furry porn isn't real art because hey, you could sell a printout of furry porn as art to make some weird statement, but as a general rule it isn't, it's a $60 pornographic commodity, like a game. and again, you could probably sell a PS4 game case as an artistic statement, but you'd be going for a completely different audience to the people the game was produced for.

>>89980

Furries do raise a fortune for charity and it only adds to the insufferability of the fandom.

For some reason (probably rooted in mid-2000s fursecution and the way furry has commodified social interaction), furries take economic statistics as a validation of their existence. They love throwing around how many hundreds of thousands of dollars conventions raise for charity, or how many millions of dollars have been collectively spent on fursuits, because it comes as a sign of validation of economic and social power. You laugh at the man in the dog suit, you don't laugh at $1.4 million dollars of economic activity.

>>89985

Furries should be the first target because we're in the furry community. Let the art community solve the problems of the art world and the political community solve political issues.

>If society is the same way in general then it might be a problem with society, not a problem with furries.

Furry is leading society. Furry is at the forefront of the direction society is heading in. I believe it's inevitable, but there's no reason not to go down like the Japanese Empire: Attack! Attack! Attack!

>The solution is not to attack the institution of art as a valuable commodity.

The problem with furry is not so much the commodification of art as it is the way commodity-art has been used to commodify social relations. That's terrible, and that's the future.


 No.90080

>>90051

> to commodify relationships

This is like, the first legitimate complaint I’ve seen in this whole thread. And it definitely does matter in the fandom whose characters you’re fucking in your gallery.

But... is this not the same thing as eating each other by how many likes or followers we have on Facebook or instagram or Twitter? Social media inventivizes popularity because if you have a lot of followers they can target them with a lot of advertising. That is doing nothing at all to help society.




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