/fur/ - Furry★

You're full of shit faggot.

OP never got hired to any business so he's probably forced to make MLP comissions.

>Why the hell do dumbfucks who work for major studios to churn out promotional artwork for four figures a piece turn into such fucking elitists?

Because they are objectivelly better than you, they got hired by a serious business with serious critics and standards, they proved their skills in the job market.

tl dr: they got a real job unlike you

>The virtue of having your position is 99% luck.

It's actually 99% nepotism, and of the remaining 1%, 99% of it is luck. So you're kinda correct.

Also, this is true of every single job on the planet, not just art. Just don't try telling anyone in America, because this is the land where 100% of what you gain or lose, even if you get cancer, is entirely your fault, and the successful are just those that tried the hardest.

>>52784

>99% nepotism

>America

Name one country where this is not the case as well.

>>52784

bullshit

>There are literally thousands of pantywastes that can do your job at a moment's notice

No there aren't lol

>So your art quality and what you get paid for it does not entitle you to spit on the commission artists

Yes it does lol

>who work for double digit prices per piece

More like double the normal rate because muh cult of personality and all that somehow affect the value of their artistic skills.

Also I work on weekly deadlines. Furry commission "artists" take their sweet ass time (months) and have backlogs dating back years. It's quicker to obtain a fucking kidney transplant through socialized healthcare than getting a commission from a furry "artist".

>we will see how many fucking remember you for your professional fucking artwork.

I'd rather be a footnote in the credits of the latest AAA+ budget game or movie than be "remembered" for being a drama-mongering furry porn "artist".

>>52784

Wow, so being a "professional" makes you no different that any other piece of shit working in any other area? Wow, it's almost like the job you have doesn't even fucking matter.

Also love how the people in defense of the "professional" artists have to resort to ad hominem like the insecure, overpaid wastes of effort they are. So fucking proud you are of your elitist "profession" that you feel like you have to defend it from anonymous faggots like me.

>>52809

>Claims he can spit on commission artists

>Has to justify the validity of their job to a no name twat

Are you too high on sniffing your own farts or not high enough?

Either way, I only smell insecurity. Look how valuable your time is, if this is what you use it on.

>>52827

That's what you get when you have a society where your entire worth is defined by what your day job is.

It's not luck, it's connecting with people and spreading the word out. I got my job by going to cons and having a booth; some dudes aka my current bosses saw my shit while they were going to their division, we exchanged contact info, a few months later I'm working at a dream job.

Alternatively, my friend had their work shown to company owners by people who also worked for said company, and was hired.

And recently you're seeing a lot more instances of artwork spread around the internet and seen by big companies that have people getting hired out of nowhere. It's not luck so much as how much you promote yourself. If you don't do any of that work, you aren't going to get anywhere. Which is why furry artists are stuck in their own world because it never truly reaches the outside, the real world.

Nepotism occurs when a company wants an internal house style for their works. For example, like Patrick Lee in Dreamwave. Let's just say it didn't end well for Dreamwave.

A company isn't going to risk shitty artwork being driven on their platform just because the boss wants his son to have a job.

>>52827

>overpaid wastes of effort

Man, it's like you're describing the average furry artist.

Oh wait, you are. Do I smell projection?

>>52840

Yup, the entertainment industry can't afford the risk of hiring incompetent people. One bad cog and the production halts.

>>52840

>If you're a furry, you have autism

>But in order to get hired, you have to go outside and talk with and brown-nose with hundreds if not thousands of people

I'm sensing some kind of disconnect, here.

>>52854

>the entertainment industry can't afford the risk of hiring incompetent people

Your typical movie nowadays has hundreds of digital artists. If one of them is a little bit crap, don't worry: there's a dozen other layers of artists that will refine it into better polish.

>>52881

>If one of them is a little bit crap, don't worry: there's a dozen other layers of artists that will refine it into better polish.

Nope, because everyone is assigned individual tasks that need to be completed on time. This isn't some menial labor where anyone can just lend a hand to each other. Everyone has their own work to do and they simply do not have the time to also clean up after someone else's fuck ups. Not to mention different specializations mean that the number of people who potentially could take their place is extremely limited. Incompetent artists slow down other artists down the pipeline, cost the studio fuckloads of money and won't last long. That's just how it is.

>>52840

> I got my job by going to cons and having a booth; some dudes aka my current bosses saw my shit while they were going to their division, we exchanged contact info, a few months later I'm working at a dream job.

Sounds like FUCKING LUCK to me

>>52854

>>52885

Wow, keep blowing smoke up your own ass like that and we might end all pollution by next year.

"Golly gee fucking whiz. If I wasn't so TALENTED and COMPETENT at my job, an entire AAA film would never see the light of theaters! I'm an IMPORTANT and VALUABLE member of a production with literal thousands of people and ALL OF THEM DEPEND ON ME."

Hey but who knows, Maybe you'll become popular by teaching the rest of the world the proper form for SUCKING YOUR OWN COCK.

>>52885

Yeah, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Half the artists are just a bunch of Indian fucks they hired for dirt cheap to do the low-skill grunt work that anyone can do.

>you will never be this mad that people are better than you

>>52932

>Anyone being better than anyone else

This board is literally deep fried in people's normally concealed bigoted tendencies and you're here posting on it. I'd hardly believe anyone's standards of "better people" that came from this board. But I sure as hell can tear down some overpaid tablet-pen-handjob technician says "weh I'm so above commissioned furry artists who don't know how precious my work is. I'm the only real artist!" just because their position with whatever company is as random as whoever's vagina they popped out of.

>>52923

It's not luck, I knew they were going to be there, as some company art directors do scour around conventions like this to find new talent. It's knowing where to be to advertise yourself. Then, it's a matter of the boss's opinion in whether you're good enough to work for them.

The second situation I talked is getting to know artists who work for the companies and get them to advocate for you.

The third situation is more or less pure luck as to who actually sees your art.

Getting hired in and of itself is a game of chance but you heavily increase the odds by knowing how to play your cards. The area not involved in luck is where you push your advertisement.

>>52931

I know more about this than you ever will.

And yes, there's lots of Indians, but they aren't taken randomly off the street. For some reason there's lots of tech savvy Indians in this industry. They severely lack in the art department tho.

>>52934

Man, the salt is fucking palpable.

I don't even get it, I'm the one who works harder for less, compared to a furfag artist. I'm the one who should be pissed.

>>52923

Nice lack of arguments! Awesome how you can't counter any of their points, must be because you don't know shit about animation or having a real job.

>>52944

Probably because there are already people in this same thread that claim to have experiences in the same industry that conflict with what you have to say. But all I see is appeal to authority over knowing more about the industry.

Quite frankly, "overpaid people survive on nepotism and luck" is a much more believable argument than "I, as a 'professional' had to work so hard to get where I am." coming from a cuck with a self-serving bias when both points are equally supported (that is, not at all supported). But the latter does have the fact that plenty of people work ten times as hard as an autist behind a computer and never make it that far. And I don't even mean the furry artists.

At the same time. This is a no-lose situation for me. I can devalue the "profession" of all you egocentric, confirmation bias huffing tablet rapists all the damn day, and if even a single person views you in a more negative light afterward (which they should), then I've succeeded. If no one listened, I've only lost free time that was already going to be wasted and you've succeeded in... winning an argument on the internet to a nameless fuckass.

So thanks for the ad hominem, but too bad no one cares. Least of all me

>>52943

>For some reason there's lots of tech savvy Indians in this industry

It's not "for some reason", it's fucking outsourcing you complete goddamn idiot! It's because the studio can pay them half or a quarter as much as they would have to pay artists in the USA, and still get the same results because they're all just doing the base work. It's the same reason you hire migrant workers to pick the vegetables, and only much later down the line hire a prestigious expensive chef to prepare them into a gourmet meal. If you think every single step in a creative process requires equal skill, you're sadly mistaken.

What do you even DO? Are you even willing to tell us, or at this point have you realized that your job title reveals how completely unimportant you are? Here's a protip: if the block of names in a movie's credits you're in is just you, you're VERY important; if it's fewer than ten people, you're sort of important; if it's a block of names that fills the screen, with hundreds of people, you're as completely unimportant and fully replaceable and as the guy who shows up on set to clean the porta-potties.

>>52962

>Probably because there are already people in this same thread that claim to have experiences in the same industry that conflict with what you have to say.

Who? So far everyone who claimed to have worked for any industry in this thread said that getting this kind of job is not luck.

>So thanks for the ad hominem

Lmao that's fucking hilarious, do you even know what ad hominem means? All you did so far was claim that people who disagree with you are arrogant. You got no points. no arguments, fucking nothing.

>>52962

Also

>At the same time. This is a no-lose situation for me. I can devalue the "profession" of all you egocentric, confirmation bias huffing tablet rapists all the damn day, and if even a single person views you in a more negative light afterward (which they should), then I've succeeded. If no one listened, I've only lost free time that was already going to be wasted and you've succeeded in... winning an argument on the internet to a nameless fuckass.

Suceed in what?Also we don't know if you suceed or not since you could very well be some talentless butthurt autist that do cheap commissions all day and can't get a real job trying to convince people that you are just as good as real professionas to protect your ego, do you really think people will believe in anything an anonymous person said without evidence like you are doing?If so they are retards and will change their minds later without evidence anyway.

>>52970

>everyone who claimed to have worked for any industry

Literally just you. Everyone else has said that getting ANY job is nepotism, luck, and brown-nosing. Which is completely true. How can you possibly be so arrogant as to think YOUR career is any different? I'm sorry, did it hurt your precious feewings to find out that your station wasn't gained completely by merit? Suck it up. That's life in this world. The only reason you're not a retard starving guy in some shitty desert country, about to get gang-raped by an invading terrorist group, is just dumb luck. Same as everything else. If you deny that fact, you're just going to appear to be a naive windbag to everyone here.

>The only reason you're not a retard starving guy in some shitty desert country, about to get gang-raped by an invading terrorist group, is just dumb luck.

So people in first world countries raped by whites are lucky?

>inb4 "Ferality asked for it"

This is why everyone hates you fucking furries.