/fit/ - Fitness, Health, Exercise, Dieting, etc

>Not already doing pull-ups in your routine.

Bench pressing is more for strength than mass and most of the time people do it wrong and end up working out their shoulders so they end up with none of either. Lower the weight and work on your form. Incline and Decline are both good for balancing out the shape of your pecs depending on how your other exercises work them out.

>>135404

Your weight program must have really sucked.

>>135404

Calisthenics can be as good as weight lifting depending on your goals chileanbro. I encourage you to look for more info about it and to give it a try if you feel like it. I'm also a calisthenic fellow.

>tfw no complete bodyweight alternatives for DLs, probably the only serious downside

Calisthenics are ultimate red pill, it gives you that extra pump by filling your muscles with blood

>calisthenics or weights

Why not both? Pull-ups are one of the best exercises you can do. But it all depends on your goals, you can get plenty strong and aesthetic with calisthenics alone. But if you want to be massive then you're gonna need weights. Also the biggest problem with calisthenics is a lack of high level exercise, but you can mostly handle that with pistol squats and sprints.

>>135429

>a lack of high level leg exercise

Whoops

>>135404

You're not lifting heavy enough with enough reps, Try incrementing your weight limit so you can work for 3 sets to failure.

>>135481

That's what my IRL friends said but that's what I do, always 3 sets to failure. I guess it really must've been bad form.

>>135510

It's better to drop your weight until you can get your form proper. Don't be one of those fags doing 1/8 reps with way more than they can handle. You're not there to impress anyone, you're there to get better.

>>135429

I second this, do both for better results in the long run. Weighted pushups/dips are amazing, too. Gymnastic rings hypertrophy workouts are also underrated.

>>135436

God bless harina pan

calisthenics are for niggers that like climbing shit like monkeys

For building mass, multiple sets to failure of any weight above 30-40% of maximum possible (20-40 reps to failure, depending) will be good for you. However, it's only the more significant weights, 80% or so of maximum (6-10 reps to failure, depending) and higher, that build maximum single-effort strength.

The problems with calisthenics in general are:

>once someone is reasonably strong, it's hard to get very strong, because it's harder to load to a 6-10 rep max

>again once a person gets reasonably strong, it's hard to gain mass, because if you can do 60-80 reps or more then the difficulty must be increased. this isn't as big an issue as the strength one is

>people want to do idiotic meme-tier gymnastics-based movements pistols, anything with rings, etc that have more of a skills component than a strength component, and that holds back development or leads to injury really easy to fuck up doing ring dips

>while they're pretty much low-equipment, you still need some equipment to fully work the body to potential, such as a pullup bar or a bench for reverse hypers

If you stick to basics, lunges and stepups and jumps, pushups moving to single-arm or plyo pushups, v-ups, etc., and leave the gymnastics shit behind, they can be useful for size and some strength/work capacitiy.

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>>135544

I don't care how much you can bench, if you can't pull yourself over a ledge or otherwise manage your own body effectively then you're a failure.

>>135563

Can't you simply do calisthenics to build you up (especially if you begin, to "relatively strong" as you said), and then, when you can achieve the high step, like perfect leg raise, one leg squat, one arm pushup, move on to the gym (or buy weights) and continue to train with weights added to your regular exercices?

I personaly don't like all of the recent gym methods, for the simple reason that that's recent, new. The whole thing is from the 70'. That's certainly not how armies around the glob have trained since centuries, even milleniums. A "spartan" was certainly not using the overprieced piece of equipement from modern gyms.

You can call me reactionary, but seriously, the only downside to calisthenics is being out of the trend, out of the gym "atmosphere". You could cut you out of friends that go to the gym, that's certain.

But I mean, as a man, you should be self sufficient, especially on those question. What I like to do is doing pushup/pullup contest, to show that the calisthenics training is "comparable" to what they are doing, and it's not a faggot thing.

I'm not strong at all, since it takes time to build up strengh through this method and I'm doing it badly (and I'm relatively new to the concept), but that's how I see the things. Maybe gyms is what is required to achieve very high strengh. But before that, calisthenics is totaly enough. Just need 20 bucks for a pullup bar, and you're good to go.

I do full body 3x a week. Cardio and bodyweight 5x a week. But I still look unaesthetic as fuck because I'm not cutting until I am of intermediate-advanced strength. As a beginner cutting as a novice just makes you skinnyfat and to repeat your progress over again (although it does seem to improve cardio and bodyweight exercises proficiency a bit). Last month I cut down 20 lbs and I looked worse than now.

>>135801

What is your weight?

Because in my case, I'm that kind of guy that get fat on the hips/butt (around 20/30% of guys get fat like that…). So I have the most inaesthetic body ever when fat. I weight 80kg, and the only way I would look better is if I lose all of my body fat, and so go to like 70kg. I'm not even a midget (~1m80). I have a thin kind of body. If fat remains, it'll go on the hips, and I'll look very weird.

I really don't like losing weight, because I'll look even thinner, but today I dodge swimming pool because of this fucking problem.

So can you guy more precision? I'm cutting a little bite, but I'm still eating as much meat I can. I only cut sugar and don't eat anything out of the main meal to lose weight. Do you think it'll touch my training?

I seriously want to have the good form my body deserves.

>>135802

Well I'm not lean I'm 205 lbs right now, but when I cut down 20 lbs last month (almost a bit more I was 179 at one point) I was skinnyfat as hell. Right now I'm just doing more cardio and cleaning up my diet (no more diary, red meat, sugar and flour). IDK where that'll get me. But on cuts yea I lose all my fucking gains, look scrawny and just feel pathetic. Hopefully that'll get me somewhere. Maybe ask one of the Chads here but if you got genetics like me it's gonna be a lot of hard work and proper diet to get lean.

>>135821

>eating clean

don't be so fucking stupid

just count calories and get your min protein and efas

Some people are fucking weird. I've had spells of nogainz for a while even though I was doing lots of lifting. Then I stop for a week or two because I traveled or wanted to avoid injury and then all of a sudden I start to see gains depsite almost no exercise and eating whatever I feel like. Recovery is when you actually gain mass and strength, and sometimes it can be on a delay I guess.

>>135404

Maybe you have a metal allergy. Metal is gay as fuck. Trees are where it's at.

>>135951

That's gotta be wrong, it clashes with basic experience

>>136064

Right i always feel like my pecs get a nice stretch when i do pullups

>>140472

That makes some sense, as pullups are also about stability and balance and you probably have to use your chest for that, to some degree. Maybe to control your descent, too. Maybe to stabilize your shoulders. Hard to say, but I would not discount that the pecs are involved.

That said, maybe OP had shitty posture and that made his pecs look weak, then lats training solved that. The idiots that only ever train the muscles you see in the mirror often end up looking shitty, not broadchested at all. Another possibility is that he is a retard like me and tends to bench press with his triceps and delts. I have to make a conscious effort to enage my pecs on the bench.

>>135428

Yea and sinovial fluid in your joints.

We strong now