/fit/ - Fitness, Health, and Feels

Chalk would help with grip.

What if you have small hands?

>>125084

Chalk is not allowed at my gym. How about gloves? Are they for the gays only?

>>125086

>Chalk is not allowed at my gym.

That's unfortunate.

Gloves are for gays. Use them if you need to.

Never tried this, but use a pumice stone on your callouses. Won't need to peel them off that way.

>>125083

Lift moar

Use fat gripz or thick bars

Stop fucking peeling your callouses

Harden up

>>125110

This.

Liquid chalk is acceptable for deadlifts and OHP though.

>>125112

Yes. That's why they're there. How do expect to toughen up?

>>125083

I have the same problem,

either let the raw pain grow, this is the way harden up your hand, and it will be important in the future

or use a soft glove, not those wide grip ones, but a cyclist glove is pretty good for that

I don't the sharp pains though, you shouldn't rip off your calluses either, let them get off naturally

like I've said I had really bad pain with it, but as your hand roughens up, it gets better

>>125083

Increasing vitamin C intake may assist in the recovery of your skin [1] and increasing vitamin A is likely to as well. [2] However, I recommend getting your vitamin C from frequent orange juice intake as this will simultaneously supply fuel to aid in repair and help decrease the levels of glucocorticoids, which have inhibitory effects on collagen synthesis and connective tissue repair, by supplying glucose and fructose. Supplementing the beta carotene form of vitamin A is less likely to be effective as its conversion into more active forms of vitamin A depends on liver function and secondary nutritional intake. Eating liver or supplementing retinyl palmitate is a reasonable choice instead. Additionally it can be problematic supplementing a single fat soluble vitamin in the absence of the others, so simultaneously supplementing D3, E, and K2 (MK-4) in the longer term is safer (Simply eating liver 1-2 times per week is reasonable as well.) and is less likely to result in eventual imbalances.

1.

Effect of vitamin C and its derivatives on collagen synthesis and cross-linking by normal human fibroblasts.

>It was shown that VitC induced a dose-dependent increase in collagen type I deposits by normal human fibroblasts (NHF) cultured in monolayer, and enhanced extracellular matrix contraction by NHF in a lattice model, in a non-cytotoxic range of concentrations (103m, 104m, 105m). Exogenous VitC supply could thus contribute to the maintenance of optimal collagenic density in the dermis and locally strengthen the collagen network.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18505499

2.

Vitamin A antagonizes decreased cell growth and elevated collagen-degrading matrix metalloproteinases and stimulates collagen accumulation in naturally aged human skin.

>vitamin A treatment reduces matrix metalloproteinase expression and stimulates collagen synthesis in naturally aged, sun-protected skin, as it does in photoaged skin.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10692106

Effects of Vitamin A and Glucocorticoids upon Inflammation and Collagen Synthesis

>Vitamin A given concurrently can reverse the inhibitory effects of glucocorticoids on repair, as measured by tensile strength. Vitamin A given alone slightly increases the rate at which collagen accumulates within an implanted polyvinyl sponge granuloma.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1355568/?page=1

>>125112

>>find a better gym

>

>Im stuck here for a year

Are you me, man?

>decide to do "starting strength" program a few months after signing up at local gym

>only one weight rack in the gym

>rack levels don't go low enough for deadlift…

>and I am stuck here for nearly a year

fuck, I shouldn't have signed up for a year. oh well.

>>125134

do not look for vitamin A, look for beta-carotenes

your body will do the rest, you can intosicate yourself with vitamin A

>>125137

>>only one weight rack in the gym

Holy fuck, at least we got 6 racks and 3 benches, it's just that they're fags and only allow t-shirts, no tank tops, for whatever reason. And you can't use chalk or magnesium.

>>rack levels don't go low enough for deadlift

just put the barbell on the floor, what are you trying to do?

>>125138

It says 400 μg RE Vitamin A, is that dangerous? Where do you get beta-carotenes except for carrots?

>>125139

>is that dangerous?

Germany, hold on. I want to give you additional advice based on scientific evidence, but it is troubling how quickly people come out of the woodwork with nonsense that may hinder your gains. It is very safe and practical to just eat liver 1-2 times per week and drink plenty of orange juice. However, I intend to make a follow up with more facts and citations. I made the earlier post on a break at work, and I'm just settling in at home. No need for broscience when the truth is just a few search engine queries away.

>>125145

Appreciate it, i'm patient

>>125134

>do you think something like pic related will cover me?

Based on my personal experience with shopping for supplement products, I find it unlikely, but I can't make a conclusive judgment without seeing the ingredient list and nutrition facts.

>I take a multivitamin pill with 100% of the daily recommended intake of Vitamin A, B1, B2, B6, B12, C, D3, E and K1

Whether or not such a product is useful to you frequently depends on 1) the specific compounds that the product is labeling as those vitamins, 2) whether or not those compounds are contaminated with things such as heavy metals from their manufacturing process, 3) and the presence or absence of unnecessary, possibly toxic, fillers. 1) is usually the simplest to verify. Look at the ingredient list. What is the "vitamin A"? Is it beta carotene? Retinyl palmitate? Retinyl acetate? 2) is difficult. Try not to buy cheap garbage manufactured in China. Pay attention to any allergic reactions or bad side effects. 3) is usually easy. Look at the ingredients. What else is there other than the vitamins themselves? If it's not bovine gelatin or vitamin E (tocopherols), it's probably unnecessary. I frequently use https://www.toxinless.com/ as a resource to find products without unnecessary fillers.

>>125138

>do not look for vitamin A, look for beta-carotenes

>your body will do the rest,

Whether or not the beta carotene is converted into the important retinal is dependent on many factors such as B12 intake, [1] liver status, [2] types of fiber present in diet, [3] the protein quality of the diet, [4] and thyroid function. [5] There is much talk about how beta carotene can be used in place of dietary retinal, but rarely are these factors mentioned nor is a convincing case made for why it is not more practical to just skip the middle man entirely and consume or supplement a form of retinal instead. Based on my personal understanding of how common liver and thyroid insufficiencies are alone, I would not suggest beta carotene except as a last resort if any practical results are to be obtained by attempting to increase vitamin A levels.

>you can intosicate yourself with vitamin A

I don't believe this to be a very convincing argument, as poisoning by mere water is a possibility given great enough consumption, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean that supplementing or consuming safe levels of retinal is particularly precarious. I do not believe such worries to be justified, as doses of retinol as high as 300,000 I.U. in breast cancer patients and 500,000 I.U. for 3-4 months (!) in the treatment of mere acne have been used. [6] For comparison, 81 g of pan-fried beef liver contains a mere 21,134 I.U. [7] However, I do not normally recommend going above 50,000 I.U. per day except for someone with especially high needs or special use cases. 5:1 - 8:1 vitamin A to vitamin D ratio is a common recommendation I have seen. There are some concerns about suppressing thyroid function with over zealous use of vitamin A, but I do not expect most supplementers to experience acute toxicity except when reckless disregard applies.

>>125152

1.

Effects of vitamin B12 on the utilization of carotene and vitamin A by the rat.

>The rats which received vitamin B12 grew about 50 per cent. more than those which did not, and the deposition in the liver of vitamin A from the carotene given was 37 per cent. greater.

https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/abstract/19541400318

http://mbbsdost.com/Effects-vitamin-B12-utilization-carotene-vitamin-A-by-rat-The-Journal-nutrition-HIGH-EG-WILSON-EG--1953-Jun/pubmed/809974

2.

Interaction of ethanol with beta-carotene: delayed blood clearance and enhanced hepatotoxicity.

>On cessation of beta-carotene treatment, plasma levels decreased more slowly in the alcohol-fed baboons than in the controls. Percutaneous liver biopsy specimens revealed that liver concentrations of beta-carotene correlated with plasma levels but were higher in the alcohol-fed baboons than in the control baboons, whereas the beta-carotene-induced increase in liver retinoids was lower

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1568731

3.

Effects of purified dietary fiber sources on β-carotene utilization by the chick

>Results of expt. 1 showed that hemicellulose, lignin and citrus pectin, but not arenaceous flour or polygalacturonic acid, depressed β-carotene utilization by the chick, as measured by percentage of consumed β-carotene stored in liver as vitamin A relative to the 0% fiber control.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3027282

4.

Protein quality and carotene utilization.

>The results show that both amount and quality of protein in the diet affect conversion of carotene to vitamin A, a fact which may be important in countries where carotene is the main source of vitamin A and amount and quality of protein in the diet are low

https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/abstract/19631400290

5.

THE EFFECT OF THYROID ON THE CONVERSION OF CAROTENE INTO VITAMIN A*

>That the thyroid gland might be involved in the metabolism of carotene was first suggested by von Noorden in 1907 […] Laboratory studies have likewise pointed toward the conclusion that a functioning thyroid gland is necessary for the animal to convert carotene into vitamin A.

http://www.jbc.org/content/171/2/513.full.pdf

6.

Plasma retinol levels and side effects following high-dose retinyl acetate in breast cancer patients.

>We concluded that the daily dose of 300,000 I.U. retinyl acetate can be administered to cancer patients over a period of several months, is well tolerated and yields a substantial increase of systemic retinol.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3218964

Oral vitamin A in acne vulgaris. Preliminary report.

>Retinol was highly efficacious in doses of 300,000 units for women and 400,000 to 500,000 units for men, toxicity was slight and limited mainly to skin (xerosis) and mucous membranes (cheilitis). The danger of hypervitaminosis A in this dosage range has been exaggerated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6453848

7. http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3469/2

>>125152

I don't recommend daily consumption of a liver based meal, btw. It's too high in iron for that.

>>125156

I want to tell you more, but I'm out of time for tonight. I spent too much time trying to read papers behind pay walls that I never managed to obtain. If you're simply wondering if that multivitamin is all you should need for your problems with your hands, I'll go ahead and let you down by explaining there are no magic bullets even though the pictured supplement gives a wide range of nutrition, and it reminds me of many typical products that contain forms of vitamins that are not especially helpful to most people. The fact that it contains all that phosphorus is particularly funny, but I'm not going to tell you to stop taking it (yet). That could do harm as well until you are empowered to take charge of your nutrition more instead of relying on someone else to do it right.

There is a very good reason I suggested frequent orange juice intake, and it's not just because of the vitamin C. It is my sneaky way of getting you to consume more sugar and lowering the stress hormones that may inhibit the speedy recovery of your skin. You won't get orange juice in a pill.

>>125139

>just put the barbell on the floor, what are you trying to do?

just trying to practice good form with the empty bar I suppose.

>>125141

>You didn't even look around the place before you signed a one year contract? What the fuck?

I decided to try out SS after I signed up at local gym. My fault for signing a contract instead of going for the slightly pricier no-contract option. I should've known better.

>Are you confusing a power rack with a Smith machine?

I know the difference.

>>125182

>just trying to practice good form with the empty bar i suppose

In that case either ask if they have a wooden bar for absolutely no weight and form perfectionism, or man up and at least go with one of the smallest plates on each side

If the callous are as bad as that pic, try some kind of hand balm. There's a thing called bag balm in the states. I guess you might not find it in Germany. It's used for farmers who own cows. They put it on the udders for cold seasons to prevent them from getting chapped. You can also use it to treat your leather items.

So maybe try it on your hands.

>>125204

They don't have a wooden bar or anything else that could be used (unless you think stacking 45lb plates on the floor is acceptable) so I think I'll just have to resort to holding the bar in midair

>>125211

A 45lb deadlift shouldn't be remotely difficult unless you're an old man or a little child. Just lift the bar a few times and ask somebody to check your form or watch a YouTube video on how to do it, then start adding weight. When it gets heavy enough, all the kinks in your form will be worked out naturally. There's no way to deadlift 400lbs with crappy form, but remember that lifting form can vary slightly between people. There is no reason to spend days asking about it on the internet when you could have been deadlifting and figuring out the right form this whole time. I'm sure there are plenty of experienced lifters in your gym who are willing to help you out IRL where they can see you and fix your mistakes.

>>125206

We have that in Sweden too so it would be strange if it wasn't available in Germany as well. The brand mostly used here, Helosan, became so popular they started selling it as a hand balm too, but it still says "animal health" on it.

>>125141

You can develop diabetes if you avoid carbs, your body becomes unable to handle it from lack of exposure. Completely removing carbs can lead to diabetes type 2 symptoms in just one month.

>>125276

[citation needed]

>>125277

I thought this was common knowledge, but ok. The brittish doctor Michael Mosley conducted an experiment with 2 other doctors who were identical twins. One of them ate only carbs for one month, the other ate no carbs for one month. Both of them lost weight, the one who ate only carbs and no fat los muscle mass. The one who ate only fat and meat but no carbs showed symptoms of diabetes type 2. His insulin resistance had turned to shit on just one month of no carbs.

The results were presented in a documentary, I think it was "Eat, fast and live longer" if you're too laze to read a book.

>>125286

That seems contrary to all other research and evidence. People can eat like shit for decades before their pancreas has problems and causes type 2 diabetes, why on earth would it just forget how to do what it's evolved millions of years for after only a month?

>>125286

>A single study proves X

>The fact it was in a Jewish documentary also backs it up

If that was true for everything anon, meat would be poison, and everyone would be vegans.

>>125293

>believing in evolution

>>125294

>jewish documentary

Where does it say so?

That said, many doctors are jews, that doesn't automatically make it right or wrong as long as it's scientific, you can see the results yourself.

>>125339

>he thinks evolution doesn't happen

Sweden strikes again.

>>125275

Well there you go, buddy. It should work depending on how bad it is. Still it makes me giggle thinking about using cow udder balm on the hands. I guess something like Shea or coco butter might work too. I'm not sure what bag balm is made of.

>>125398

>I'm not sure what bag balm is made of.

8-Hydroxyquinoline Sulfate 0.3% in a Petrolatum, Lanolin base.

That's what it says on the can.

>>125083

Dip your hand in rubbing alcohol everyday to increase callus gains