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 No.123624

>When cancers are metastasizing, their phospholipids contain less stearic acid [a saturated fat] than the less malignant tumors (Bougnoux, et al., 1992), patients with advanced cancer had less stearic acid in their red blood cells (Persad, et al., 1990), and adding stearic acid to their food delayed the development of cancer in mice (Bennett, 1984). The degree of saturation of the body's fatty acids corresponds to resistance to several types of cancer that have been studied (Hawley and Gordon, 1976; Singh, et al., 1995).

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fats-functions-malfunctions.shtml

>Fifty years ago, it was found that a large amount of cod liver oil in dogs' diet increased their death rate from cancer by 20 times, from the usual 5% to 100%. A diet rich in fish oil causes intense production of toxic lipid peroxides, and has been observed to reduce a man's sperm count to zero. [H. Sinclair, Prog. Lipid Res. 25, 667, 1989.]

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml

>Consumption of unsaturated fat has been associated with both skin aging and with the sensitivity of the skin to ultraviolet damage, Ultraviolet light-induced skin cancer seems to be mediated by unsaturated fats and lipid peroxidation.[59]

>In a detailed study of the carcinogenicity of different quantities of unsaturated fat, Ip, et al., tested levels ranging from 0.5% to 10%, and found that the cancer incidence varied with the amount of "essential oils" in the diet. Some of their graphs make the point very clearly: [52]

>Besides inhibiting the thyroid gland, the unsaturated fats impair intercellular communication,[64] suppress several immune functions that relate to cancer, and are present at high concentrations in cancer cells, where their antiproteolytic action would be expected to interfere with the proteolytic enzymes and to shift the equilibrium toward growth. In the free fatty acid form, the unsaturated fats are toxic to the mitochondria, but cancer cells are famous for their compensatory glycolysis.

http://raypeat.com/articles/nutrition/oils-in-context.shtml

>When I was studying the age pigment, lipofuscin, and its formation from polyunsaturated fatty acids, I saw the 1927 study in which a fat free diet practically eliminated the development of spontaneous cancers in rats (Bernstein and Elias).

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml

>There are many people currently recommending fish oil (or other highly unsaturated oils) for preventing or treating cancer, and it has become almost as common to recommend a sugar free diet, "because sugar feeds cancer." This is often, incorrectly, said to be the meaning of Warburg's demonstration that cancer cells have a respiratory defect that causes them to produce lactic acid from glucose even in the presence of oxygen. Cancer cells use glucose and the amino acid glutamine primarily for synthetic purposes, and use fats as their energy source;the growth stimulating effect of the "essential fatty acids" (Sueyoshi and Nagao, 1962a; Holley, et al., 1974) shows that depriving a tumor of those fats retards its growth.

>The alkaline cancer cell surrounds itself by the acid that it emits, and this extracellular acidity increases the ability of fatty acids to enter the cell (Spector, 1969); cancer cells, although they are synthesizing fat, also avidly take it up from their environment (Sueyoshi and Nagao, 1962b). This fat avidity is so extreme that cancer cells in vitro will eat enough polyunsaturated fat to kill themselves. This has been offered as proof that fish oil kills cancer. Saturated fats, however, have a calming effect on cancer cells, inhibiting their aerobic glycolysis (Marchut, et al., 1986) while permitting them to resume the respiratory production of energy.

>When we eat more carbohydrate than can be oxidized, some of it will be turned into saturated fats and omega-9 fats, and these will support mitochondrial energy production. Carbohydrates in the diet also help to decrease the mobilization of fatty acids from storage; niacinamide and aspirin support that effect. Sugars are probably more favorable than starches for the immune system (Harris, et al., 1999), and failure of the immune system is a common feature of cancer. Polyunsaturated fats are generally known to suppress the immune system.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/cancer-disorder-energy.shtml

 No.123628

>advocates for a diet with no vegetables

Okay, have fun with your not-a-meme diet there fam.


 No.123631

>>123628

It's a real shame if you got that impression, but it's not my position nor is it Ray Peat's. I advocate carefully reconsidering everything you've been conditioned to eat out of habit or upbringing under a new paradigm of analysis, not blindly avoiding anything, only avoiding it by well understood reason and never out of phobia or superstition. Ray Peat even frequently advocates carrots between meals for digestion and reducing endotoxin, potatoes as a source of protein without tryptophan, and boiling the leaves of greens to extract their minerals into a liquid.

If you want to know what he actually says about vegetables, you can read here:

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vegetables.shtml


 No.123632

there's already a thread for this stupid meme diet


 No.123634

>>123632

It's simpler to dismiss and complain than to actually confront the claims and scientific references in a fruitful discussion.


 No.123635

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>A recent publication in Science ("Prevention of Brca1-mediated mammary tumorigenesis in mice by a progesterone antagonist," Poole, et al., Dec. 1, 2006), with associated press conferences, reported an experiment in which a special kind of mouse was prepared, which lacked two tumor-suppressing genes called BRCA and p53.

>One of the functions of the BRCA gene product is to repair genetic damage, and another function is to (like progesterone) suppress the estrogen receptor and its functions. Estrogen, and some environmental carcinogens, can suppress the BRCA gene product. Estrogen can also turn off the tumor suppressor protein, p53. So it is interesting that a group of experimenters chose to produce a mouse that lacked both the normal BRCA and p53 genes. They had a mouse that was designed to unleash estrogen's effects, and that modeled some of the features of estrogen toxicity and progesterone deficiency.

>This mouse, lacking an essential gene that would allow progesterone to function normally, probably affecting progesterone's ability to eliminate the estrogen receptor, also lacked the tumor suppressor gene p53, which is required for luteinization (Cherian-Shaw 2004); in its absence, progesterone synthesis is decreased, estrogen synthesis is increased.

>(Chen, Y, et al., 1999: BRCA represses the actions of estrogen and its receptor, and, like progesterone, activates the p21 promoter, which inhibits cell proliferation. Aspirin and vitamin D also act through p21.)

>The mutant BRCA gene prevents the cell, even in the presence of progesterone, from turning off estrogen's effects the way it should. The antiestrogenic RU486 (some articles below), which has some of progesterone's effects (including therapeutic actions against endometrial and breast cancer), appears to overcome some of the effects of that mutation.

>It might have been proper to describe the engineered mouse that lacked both the BRCA and the p53 genes as a mouse in which the effects of estrogen excess and progesterone deficiency would be especially pronounced and deadly. To speak of progesterone as contributing to the development of cancer in that specially designed mouse goes far beyond bad science. However, that study makes sense if it is seen as preparation for the promotion of a new drug similar in effect to RU486, to prevent breast cancer.

>The study's lead author, Eva Lee, quoted by a university publicist, said "We found that progesterone plays a role in the development of breast cancer by encouraging the proliferation of mammary cells that carry a breast cancer gene." But they didn't measure the amount of progesterone present in the animals. They didn't "find" anything at all about progesterone. The "anti-progesterone" drug they used has been used for many years to treat uterine, ovarian, and breast cancers, in some cases with progesterone, to intensify its effects, and its protective effects are very likely the result of its antiestrogenic and anti-cortisol effects, both of which are well established, and relevant. In some cases, it acts like progesterone, only more strongly.

>The recent report that the incidence of breast cancer in the United States fell drastically between 2002 and 2004, following the great decline in estrogen sales, shows the magnitude of the injury and death caused by the falsifications of the estrogen industry–a matter of millions of unnecessary deaths, just in the years that I have been working on the estrogen issue. The current campaign against progesterone can be expected to cause many unnecessary cancer deaths (e.g., Plu-Bureau, et al., Mauvais-Jarvis, et al.), while distracting the public from the culpability of the estrogen industry.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/ru486.shtml

>When any part of a living organism is injured, for example by x-rays or surgery, the

emitted substances affect the endocrine and nervous systems, activating processes that

change metabolism and behavior. The injured tissue takes on new functions, for

example by locally synthesizing estrogen, cortisol (Vukelic, et al., 2011), and other

hormones, as well as stimulating the normal endocrine glands to secrete them.

>The drug industry is now looking for chemicals that will

specifically inhibit the carbonic anhydrase enzymes that are active in tumors. Existing

carbonic anhydrase inhibitors, such as acetazolamide, will inhibit those enzymes,

without harming other tissues. Aspirin has some effect as an inhibitor of carbonic

anhydrase (Bayram, et al., 2008). Since histamine, serotonin (Vullo, et al., 2007), and

estrogen (Barnett, et al., 2008; Garg, 1975) are carbonic anhydrase activators, their

antagonists would help to acidify the hypoxic cells. Testosterone (Suzuki, et al., 1996)

and progesterone are estrogen antagonists that inhibit carbonic anhydrase.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/cancer-disorder-energy.shtml


 No.123636

>>123635

>Although everyone working in the lab was familiar with the appearance of the uterus from old hamsters (they are typically large, stiff, and bluish), everyone was surprised when I suggested that the aged uteri seemed to function as if they were under the influence of a considerable amount of estrogen. Everyone was familiar with the medical textbook doctrine that "menopause is caused by estrogen deficiency." In humans, gynecologists know about "Chadwick's sign," the fact that the uterine cervix turns blue or purple during pregnancy, and everyone knows that blood is blue when it's deprived of oxygen, so it's surprising that estrogen's effect on tissue oxygenation isn't widely recognized.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/leakiness.shtml

Nutrition 1999 May;15(5):392-401 The influence of maternal diet on breast cancer risk among female offspring.

>Our animal studies show that a high maternal consumption of corn oil consisting mainly of linoleic acid (omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid, PUFA), increases both circulating estradiol (E2) levels during pregnancy and the risk of developing carcinogen-induced mammary tumors among the female rat offspring.

Mol Cell Biochem 1998 Nov;188(1-2):5-12 Timing of dietary fat exposure and mammary tumorigenesis: role of estrogen receptor and protein kinase C activity.

>Our results, thus, support the hypothesis based on epidemiological data that high maternal estrogen levels increase daughters' breast cancer risk. The results also suggest that a high-fat diet may be an important factor in increasing pregnancy estrogenic activity.

Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 1997 Aug 19;94(17):9372-7. A maternal diet high in n - 6 polyunsaturated fats alters mammary gland development, puberty onset, and breast cancer risk among female rat offspring.

>These data, if extrapolated to humans, may explain the link among diet, early puberty onset, mammary parenchymal patterns, and breast cancer risk, and indicate that an in utero exposure to a diet high in n - 6 PUFA and/or estrogenic stimuli may be critical for affecting breast cancer risk.

Oncol Rep 1998 May-Jun;5(3):609-16 Maternal genistein exposure mimics the effects of estrogen on mammary gland development in female mouse offspring.

>Some phytoestrogens, such as genistein which is a major component in soy-based foods, and zearalenone, a mycotoxin found in agricultural products, have estrogenic effects on the reproductive system, breast and brain.

>Thus, our results suggest that genistein acts as an estrogen in utero, and may increase the incidence of mammary tumors if given through a pregnant mother.

http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/breastcancer.shtml


 No.123637

>>123636

>"…simultaneous treatment of intact…rats with testosterone and estradiol-17beta for 16 weeks consistenly induced a putative precancerous lesion, termed dysplasia, in the dorsolateral prostate of all animals. Since treatment of rats with androgen alone did not elicit the same response, we concluded that estrogen played a critical role in the genesis of this proliferative lesion." Shuk-mei Ho and M. Yu, in "Selective increase in type II estrogen-binding sites in the dysplastic dorsolateral prostates of Noble rats," Cancer Research 53, 528-532, 1993.

>It was also recognized decades ago that estrogen rises in men during old age (Pirke and Doerr, 1975), as it rises in stress, disease, malnutrition, and hypothyroidism (which are also associated with old age). Estrogen is produced in fat (Siiteri, and MacDonald, 1973, Vermeulen, 1976) which tends to increase with age, when thyroid and progesterone are deficient. The conversion of testosterone to estrogen occurs in the testicle itself, but this conversion is also inhibited by the favorable hormonal environment of youth.

>The antagonism between estrogen and vitamin A in controlling epithelial proliferation (and possibly other cell types: Boettger-Tong and Stancel, 1995) is clear wherever it has been tested; vitamin A restrains epithelial proliferation. (Wherever estrogen is a factor in the development of abnormal tissue, vitamin A supplementation would seem beneficial.)

>In aging women and men, as the breasts and prostate atrophy, their estrogen/antiestrogen ratio increases.

>In men with prostate cancer, the fluid secreted by the prostate contains significantly more estradiol than the fluid from men without cancer (Rose, et al., 1984). This is analogous to observations made in women with breast cancer.

>Even the effects of estrogens in sewage, known for decades, are treated as State Secrets: "There had been reports of hermaphroditic fishes in one or two rivers, and government investigators had been studying them since the late 1970s. But no one had been aware of the work because it was classified." (Lutz, 1996.)

>In human prostate slices, several hormones (including insulin, and probably prolactin) stimulated cell division; testosterone did not, under these experimental conditions. (McKeehan, et al., 1984.) Contrary to the stereotyped ideas, there are suggestions that supplementary androgens could control prostate cancer (Umekita, et al., 1996), and that antagonists to prolactin and estrogen might be appropriately used in hormonal therapy (for example, Wennbo, et al., 1997; Lane, et al., 1997).

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/prostate-cancer.shtml

Potential adverse effects of phytoestrogens. Whitten PL; Lewis C; Russell E; Naftolin F Department of Anthropology, Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30322. J Nutr, 1995 Mar, 125:3 Suppl, 771S-776S

>Our investigations have examined the effects of a range of natural dietary concentrations of the most potent plant isoflavonoid, coumestrol, […] In contrast, the 10-day coumestrol treatments produced significant deficits in the sexual behavior of male offspring.

Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 1995 Jan;208(1):6-12 Chemical studies of phytoestrogens and related compounds in dietary supplements: flax and chaparral.

>Flaxseed contains high levels of phytoestrogens. Chaparral has been associated with acute nonviral toxic hepatitis and contains lignans that are structurally similar to known estrogenic compounds.

Environ Health Perspect 1997 Apr;105 Suppl 3:633-6 Dietary estrogens stimulate human breast cells to enter the cell cycle.

>"Our findings are consistent with a conclusion that dietary estrogens at low concentrations do not act as antiestrogens, but act like DDT and estradiol to stimulate human breast cancer cells to enter the cell cycle."

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/natural-estrogens.shtml


 No.123674

>>123634

Why do you need another thread about this topic? Why not just use the easily found thread already in the catalog?


 No.123676

>>123674

This is a thread about cancer. The other thread is about a diet inspired by Ray Peat's writings. It just so happens that I am using Ray Peat sources at the moment in the cancer thread. A thread about cancer seems pertinent to a board about health and fitness.


 No.123689

>fish oil gives dogs cancer

>therefore it will give humans cancer

Gee, and I suppose because cow milk makes cats shit all over my house that will happen to me too?


 No.123715

I smoke and do steroids im pretty much guaranteed to die from cancer.

Not like I care for such a worthless shit life to begin with.


 No.123717

>>123715

That's hardly a guarantee of death by cancer. Both of those activities have the potential to block estrogens (depending on the type of steroids you take and surrounding factors) which could in some contexts significantly negate your cancer risks, especially if everything else is in order. What will likely ensure an early death is helplessness and disregard for opportunities to achieve a higher quality of life, however.

>Calment smoked cigarettes from the age of 21 (1896) to 117 (1992).[1][8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment


 No.123718

>>123717

And what does a higher quality of life mean to you?

I gave up on every dream or life goal I ever had. I just exist.

But I realize in the end time takes everything away. Everyone must die.

Hence where is the ultimate meaning in amassing vast wealth, women, etc.?

At the end of the day what difference does it make how anyone lives?

It doesn't matter if we die today, tomorrow, in 20 years, etc.

My only hope is to fight in a war some day. To experience combat. That's it.

Anything else is just waiting for death and keeping my mind occupied. My hands busy.


 No.123719

>>123718

>And what does a higher quality of life mean to you?

I poorly worded that. Perhaps I should have said "disregard for more sophisticated living strategies". It's not about what makes for a quality life experience or what makes life worth living. It's more like if you had to choose to go to work by car or by jetpack, which would you choose? It doesn't matter if work isn't worth going to, or no matter how you get there you still won't find it worth your time. You may as well choose the jetpack as long as you have the job and don't intend to quit, and as far as living goes, you may as well choose to avoid the things that give you cancer and ruin your health as long as you're still living and not killing yourself. You're going to make that commute one way or another, so why not make it more exciting or pleasant? Maybe you'll get a new perspective while you're soaring in the clouds.


 No.123722

>>123689

Allow me to alleviate your concerns.

INCIDENCE OF CANCER IN MEN ON A DIET HIGH IN POLYUNSATURATED FAT

>This was accounted for by a greater incidence of fatal carcinomas in the experimental group. 31 of 174 deaths in the experimental group were due to cancer, as opposed to 17 of 178 deaths in the control group (P=0·06).

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673671910865/abstract

Plasma Phospholipid Fatty Acids and Prostate Cancer Risk in the SELECT Trial

>In conclusion, in this large, prospective study of plasma phospholipid fatty acids and prostate cancer risk, contrary to our expectations, we found that long-chain ω-3 PUFA overall, and DPA and DHA in particular, were associated with strong, linear increases in prostate cancer risk. We note that this is not a novel finding because it has been reported previously in two other prospective blood biomarker studies that have examined the associations between long-chain ω-3 PUFA and prostate cancer risk.

https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/105/15/1132/926341/Plasma-Phospholipid-Fatty-Acids-and-Prostate

Serum phospholipid fatty acids and prostate cancer risk: results from the prostate cancer prevention trial.

>Docosahexaenoic acid [DHA] was positively associated with high-grade disease

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21518693

Fatty acid composition of plasma phospholipids and risk of prostate cancer in a case-control analysis nested within the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition.

>There were significant positive associations between myristic, alpha-linolenic, and eicosapentaenoic acids and risk of high-grade prostate cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996872

Chronic cellular hypoxia as the prime cause of cancer: what is the de-oxygenating role of adulterated and improper ratios of polyunsaturated fatty acids when incorporated into cell membranes?

>We believe that the hypoxia, which has to meet Warburg's findings of a critical 35% reduction in intracellular oxygen levels to initiate cancer, is linked to the incorporation of adulterated, non-oxygenating, or inappropriate polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) into the phospholipids of cell and mitochondrial membranes. Such incorporation causes changes in membrane properties that impair oxygen transmission into the cell. Trans fats, partially oxidized PUFA entities, and inappropriate omega-6:omega-3 ratios are all potential sources of unsaturated fatty acids that can disrupt the normal membrane structure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17656037

Malondialdehyde excretion by subjects consuming cod liver oil vs a concentrate of n-3 fatty acids.

>The results indicate that consuming unstabilized fish oils as a source of n-3 fatty acids may entail exposure to potentially toxic products of lipid peroxidation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3398725

Effects of dietary linseed oil and marine oil on lipid peroxidation in monkey liver in vivo and in vitro.

>Diets rich in linoleic acid (CO) from corn oil, or in linoleic acid and either alpha-linolenic acid (LO) based on linseed oil or n-3 fatty acids (MO) from menhaden oil were fed to male and female Cynomolgus monkeys for 15 wk. In the liver a 40% reduction of alpha-tocopherol occurred in the MO group relative to the CO and LO groups followed by increased formation of lipofuscin in vivo.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435093


 No.123737

>>123718

>>123719

VPN? Also It's up to you to give life meaning. The purpose is to reproduce. Chose an ideology, become a t errorist, go join ISIS, join the military, write books, give speeches.


 No.123738


 No.123749

>>123737

Yes I agree with you. I am in the military and am a very spiritual person although I bend more to the darker side of things. It's just my nature. I know it sounds edgy and I am a bit of an edgy faggot at times.

The best in life is as the Bhagavad-gita tells us to do our duty with no-attachment/no interest.

I suppose I lied about having a dream, my dream is to work towards being special forces having been infantry now for over 3 years. Or join the French Foreign Legion.

Both are very physically demanding and have a harsh selection process.

If I fail I fail. But I want to try as what keeps me going is the reward of accomplishing challenges in the military and fitness. As well as my religion.

Military is my absolute beloved passion despite it being a gains goblin when doing field exercises.




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