Way to go, Nissan! Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:09:06 02a7a3 No. 1232
>Spend millions of dollars partnering with Gran Turismo and Sony to create the Nissan GT Academy where people who play videogames can become real racing drivers >Spend shitloads into making a reality TV show for said competition and give them shitloads of your cars including your GT3 cars >Subtly promote the GT3 class GT Academy car and GT Academy by posting a commercial on television at the Superbowl referencing GT Academy and your racing department >Have a tragic scene where the GT Academy driver gets tapped and wrecked by another GT3 car >Out of every fucking GT3 car to show wrecking your GT Academy car sponsoring Gran Turismo on the Playstation, you have the black and blue BMW Z4 GT3 EA uses to sponsor the Need for Speed Franchise originally made for sponsoring the really shitty Shift series of Need For Speed, a failed attempt by EA to get themselves into simulation racing and what Nissan and GT Academy are doing
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:15:36 02a7a3 No. 1233
That's kind of impressive. also there's a new need for speed shift game? is it made by slightly mad studios? because they had terrible handling models in the previous games.
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:18:31 02a7a3 No. 1234
>>1233 Nope, there is not a new Shift game coming out. HOWEVER, they are working n their own title called "Project CARS" which is basically Shift 2 but with more obscure bullshit and the same handling issues.
It's just really bad call on the creative team for having the company's rival in videogames and on the track wreck your car. They could have picked any other car besides this one and it would have been fine.
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:23:14 02a7a3 No. 1235
>>1234 I am vaguely familiar with project CARS. I was giggling at the fact that every youtuber is creaming over it, when it has the same fucked up handling as test drive ferrari racing legends, and both the shift games.
Pretty impressive PR fuck up, agreed.
Are any of the Nissan GT academy drivers actually any good? because they might compare well to people in IMSA/in the back of the pack in WEC, but those people suck to often dangerous levels.
When I was watching the 24 hours of Daytona, several people spun and then attempted u turns on the track while other cars were passing. embarassing.
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:31:38 02a7a3 No. 1236
GT academy is otherwise reasonably successful. They managed to get the irritating untalented jaden smith clone that is jann mardenborough in an actual car. Funny that they didn't claim responsibility for max verstappen getting into f1.
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:33:07 02a7a3 No. 1237
>>1235 Firstly, GT Academy is scripted so their best driver is the one that looks the best in front of cameras, not the overall best quality. There's been complaints by guys who even though they're fast, they gave them intentionally poorly maintained cars that would cause them to be slower on the track. My biggest compliant with GT Academy is that it emphasizes hotlapping over pure racing. Even though I can pace decently and run long races perfectly fine, I'm not what they're looking for because I'm terrible during qualifying laps.
It's basically Gran Turismo and Nissan circlejerk and attempt to grab money from all angles. There's much better methods to becoming a full racer that are way less stressful than GT Academy.
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:41:52 02a7a3 No. 1238
>>1237 Yeah the 1-lap-specialist-fetish goes along with the Ayrton Senna fetish; it's something we're doomed to have to deal with in motorsport for the foreseeable future.
That's really fishy and interesting about the reality tv style manipulation you mentioned. For sure this is a successful thing because everyone wants to be Walter Mitty.
Have you competed? because you sound knowledgeable about it.
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 22:58:09 02a7a3 No. 1242
>>1238 I have competed, however I was never able to get past Stage 2 which is when they pick drivers to star in the show.
Yeah, I've heard it from a bunch of guys who were competing on the show. The most common one I've heard was that they would give the people they didn't want to win really shitty, worn out tires so when they hotlapped they would lose due to having no grip.
It honestly doesn't surprise me since it's all just for cameras. It's true that there are some people that do rather well like last year's 24 hour of Le Mans. For the most part though it seems to be a bunch of kids that just drive cars in videogames and since they can hotlap really well on a videogame they have the ability to somehow compete in full time racing events with real cars and real drivers.
I realize that I'm a weak driver in the qualifying department but I'm really good during the race. I would say that I do much better driving offroad on dirt and snow than on road.
If you're really wanting to get into racing, you could go Street Stocks and Dirt Late models if you're wanting to get into oval racing while Spec Miata and Rotax are good for getting into Circuits. It'll take a while before you get anywhere, it won't happen overnight like GT Academy likes to imply but it's still great, even if you're not bringing home big bucks like GT Academy also implies. If I could ever get into a faster racing series, I'd pick Superkarts because those things are as fast (sometimes faster) than Formula 3 and cost about a tenth of what those do.
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 23:16:58 02a7a3 No. 1243
>>1242 That's very interesting and informative! I had no idea that superkarts were nearly as fast as f3 cars. I've done a fair amount of circuit racing, but it would be nice to try ovals in order to get better at car setup. I didn't know about dirt late models, I was wondering how people got up to ARCA level.
Are you considering a professional career?
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Backmarker 02/04/15 (Wed) 23:24:20 02a7a3 No. 1245
>>1243 Yes and no. I'm considering a professional career in racing as an engineer, but I'm not that good enough to make a living from driving myself.
Dirt Late models are usually where you go in dirt ovals for some really good racing. I would say that the top tier of dirt oval racing is probably sprint cars which some NASCAR drivers have competed in on the side.
Dirt Late models is great because you get a lot of grassroots racing. It's not uncommon to see a father/son racing team where both of them are driving different cars in the same race. It's also funny to me that the grassroots will often mention the 1st place prize while in stuff like NASCAR the prize for showing up to the race and finishing is magnitudes higher for the driver.
Besides Dirt Late Models, you do have Late Models and Modifieds. I would argue that the progression is something like Street Stocks to Late Models to ARCA to Whelen Modifieds to Camping World Truck to Nationwide and then to Sprint Cup for an oval racer. You have many more options for circuit racing that there's not enough to list.
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:21:51 02a7a3 No. 2686
>>1233 I dunno what was worse about Shift 2, the input lag on the steering or that utterly shite physics model…..
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:37:14 02a7a3 No. 2690
>>2686 I struggle to find words to address how shitty both of those things were
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:51:04 02a7a3 No. 2697
>>1234 Coming from someone who has been a backing member of Project C.A.R.S. since the beginning, you are dead wrong about it being the same as Shift 2.
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:54:16 02a7a3 No. 2702
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>2690 In case anyone doesn't know how horrid it was, just watch this vid. The shit starts at 40 seconds in.
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:55:26 02a7a3 No. 2704
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:56:44 02a7a3 No. 2706
>>2697 Shift 1, 2, and test drive ferrari racing legends all had it, why would project cars be an exception.
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 21:01:36 02a7a3 No. 2710
>>2706 Because 1. it doesn't, and 2. It's an entirely rebuilt physics system that is based on what SMS had in place for the first and second Shift games, before EA told them to tone it down to make it more accessible.
Don't believe me? Pirate it or whatever when it's released(Whenever that is) and judge for yourself. The physics are just above that of a Forza and Gran Turismo, and just under that of a LFS or rFactor.
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 21:10:55 02a7a3 No. 2714
>>2710 I was pretty appalled when i got shift 1 and 2 in a bundle. I bought ferrari racing legends and felt like a tard for not seeing that it was made by the same people.
I remember thinking after gamergate started that this was a case of immense corruption as all three games got average reviews higher than 70 when they all were broken.
I'll see what people say when it ever comes out of development, if it ever does. Fuck this steam greenlight/earlyaccess/kickstarter world with unfinished shit.
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Backmarker 04/09/15 (Thu) 21:19:24 02a7a3 No. 2716
>>2714 The game itself is finished. Long gone are the day of me logging in to find fucking 2 GB large updates. Now it's just simple fixes before it's released in a month allegedly. SMS have been pushing the date back to much, it's ridiculous.
Also I too had my doubts about it after having played Shift and Shift 2 especially, but the game itself is incredible. Like I said just pirate it and see if you like it, then buy it if you find the physics to be up to snuff.
I sound like a massive shillfaggot right now.
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Backmarker 05/09/15 (Sat) 06:16:47 02a7a3 No. 7563
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Backmarker 05/15/15 (Fri) 02:22:37 02a7a3 No. 8604
>>7563
That user who was banned is the trip on the halfchan /o/ vidya general (/ovg/) who has been nonstop complaining about PCARS who complained in that general for months.I have him on Steam, we're basically trustworthy enemies in that we're very polarized (he's the Foyt, I'm the Mosley) but we can get the shit we need to done.
Had a convo on /v/ about the ROI in the Gamergate thread which people were interested in but it died off quick. The whole PCARS deal is shady, nice to see that more attention to the poor state of auto journalism and gaming is happening.
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Backmarker 05/15/15 (Fri) 03:19:01 02a7a3 No. 8608
>>8604
the ROI would definitely explain the amount of shilling.
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Backmarker 05/15/15 (Fri) 03:59:03 02a7a3 No. 8609
>>8608
Of course.
>Devs promise ROI if game sells well so people could make the cost of the game back and more like an investment
>People jump on it, sites like VirtualIR shill endlessly for the game and disclose once on a back page of the site that they're working on the game, rumors from guys in the community say that they dropped four figures on the game
>This ROI basically turns 80k backers into investors which RPS and other sites write about endlessly about how more people are backing the game and how it's so financially successful
>Euro government catches hold, clamps this at the end of 2012 which SMS gets butthurt and shuts off ALL preordering to the game
>Only stuff is from people already investing in the title saying how good it is, etc.
>Game comes out, everyone finds that the game is not what is promised and is like Shift 2 but with a new coat of paint
>SMS Investors come out of every cranny to defend their title because if any sort of criticism comes out, it hurts the sales of the game and thus losing them profit
>Users censored and banned if they disagree with the devs and if the devs aren't around, threatened with doxxing and general harassment with users
The ROI stuff set off Gamergate though. You can't just destroy a castle with one attack, you need to pull out each stone piece by piece.
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